Is this the test case for the engine change loophole? By not taking> the checqured flag they can change engines without penalty.

Sweeney Todd wrote:>

Thanks for mentioning this, I missed it. Will be interesting to see if>there's a controversy. Reminds me of the first shootout qualifying when>the Minardis went into the pits and thus could be worked on overnight.>That loophole was closed after the first race(s).

Thanks for mentioning this, I missed it. Will be interesting to see if> there's a controversy. Reminds me of the first shootout qualifying when> the Minardis went into the pits and thus could be worked on overnight.> That loophole was closed after the first race(s).

Thanks for mentioning this, I missed it. Will be interesting to see if> there's a controversy. Reminds me of the first shootout qualifying when> the Minardis went into the pits and thus could be worked on overnight.> That loophole was closed after the first race(s).>

Is this the test case for the engine change loophole? By not taking> the checqured flag they can change engines without penalty.>

Something fishy going on at Honda!>

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Engelkott>

Is this the test case for the engine change loophole? By not taking> the checqured flag they can change engines without penalty.>

Something fishy going on at Honda!>

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Engelkott>

Seems from what Martin Brundle said on ITV, Anyone not finishing in> the points can change engines?

"John Smith" <someone@microsoft.­com> wrote in message >news:YewWd.44521$S­Q4.11889@fe1.texas.r­r.com...>> Why not do it, they aren't breaking the rules as they stand right now. MS >> looked like he could continue, but parked it. I don't know if he had a >> real problem or just figured he couldn't get any points so he gave up.>

He damaged his car in his not very subtle 'passing manoeuvre' on Heidfeld.

He had bits hanging off the rear right corner of the car (visible in the >headon shot of him trundling down the pit lane) - which makes his insistance >at being pushed back on the track, and so endangering the marshalls, even >more questionable.

But the marshalls had to be there anyway to recover the other car that hit>MIchael, so that's a stupid point.>

Ferrari did the same with MS, albeit a few laps earlier. I imagine we may >start seeing every car from 9th position backwards do this in the future. >Actually, it should be hilarious watching a line of cars peel off into the >pits on the last (or penultimate) lap. Max is going to look even more of an >idiot than he does right now...

It was probably because it was easier, quicker and safer to be pushed >back on so he could take the car to the pits.

But the marshalls had to be there anyway to recover the other car that hit> MIchael, so that's a stupid point.

Dariusz

I think Heidfeld was the one trying to overtake........

It was probably because it was easier, quicker and safer to be pushed> back on so he could take the car to the pits.

How unsafe it would have been is up to the drivers obaying the rules> of waved yellows, double means marshalls on track i believe?

I seem to remember Brazil 03 when Schumacher span off under yellows he> has assasinated by people in here about not driving with caution when> they did not understand the laws of physics. Alonso also got the blame> for his crash so i think any driver would have been at fault if they> came off (unless it was mechancal) and mowed down any marshalls who> would have to have been there to take the two cars away anyway!

Some people just want to snipe for no reason.

In message <74ql21dr9da54lnov2­im2vs9uc0of0n8to@4ax­.com>, Engelkott ><nomail@hotmail.co­m> writes>>>He had bits hanging off the rear right corner of the car (visible in the>>>headon shot of him trundling down the pit lane) - which makes his insistance>>>at being pushed back on the track, and so endangering the marshalls, even>>>more questionable.>>

Bollocks. Since when, ever, has a driver ever done that?

Nurbergring 2003 though the driver that day carried on. A few have> tried it since but never got a push. (Schumacher)>

I believe the rule quoted on tv by Brundle and in this group is> something to the effect that if a car is in what is considered a> dangerous position and can't be moved quickly it can be push started.>

Naturally this would not mean if a car was at the back of the gravel> trap!>

Perhaps the question should be why did it take the marshals so long to> go and push start Schumacher? Maybe they were on the radio checking if> it was ok? Maybe it was quicker as there may have been one crane and> two cars? Thus making it quicker to push one back in the race as that> car had the engine still running?>

Quite logical though not necessarily 100% correct. Who knows? All i> know is it was legal and was done without penalty or the people in the> business moaning.>

You can't blame someone for knowing the rules and trying it on. Blame> the marshals who comply with it.

In article <38vkagF5t69guU1@in­dividual.net>, "Probert" <nick.wf1commdept2@­btinternet.com> wrote:>>He had bits hanging off the rear right corner of the car (visible in the >>headon shot of him trundling down the pit lane) - which makes his insistance >>at being pushed back on the track, and so endangering the marshalls, even >>more questionable.>

But the marshalls had to be there anyway to recover the other car that hit >MIchael, so that's a stupid point.>

Heidfeld twitched himself into the grass, like a good little Team> England player preventing Schumacher from a possible points paying> position.>

He did NOT.

Making it an extremely idiotic tactical maneuver on Heidfeld's part.

Heidfeld twitched himself into the grass, like a good little Team> England player preventing Schumacher from a possible points paying> position.>

F2004: 15 of 17*В·** wrote:>> Heidfeld twitched himself into the grass, like a good little Team>> England player preventing Schumacher from a possible points paying>> position.>

ROFL.>

What'd you expect ? ­

The important part being, "If the driver is unable to drive the car from a> dangerous position". Michael wasn't in a dangerous position (just as he> wasn't in a dangerous position at Nurburgring).

I don't understand why you believe MS's car wasn't in a dangerous>position.­ It arrived at its position as a result of a racing incident in>the previous corner. If two other cars had a similar incident in that>corner, wouldn't one of them be likely to land in a similar position? As>you state, MS didn't move after he landed - he simply dug in.

I don't understand why you believe MS's car wasn't in a dangerous>position.­ It arrived at its position as a result of a racing incident in>the previous corner. If two other cars had a similar incident in that>corner, wouldn't one of them be likely to land in a similar position?

Also, if the engine is running, it's quicker to just push the car back>onto the track rather than have the tractor drag it away - which means>less time spent standing in the 'dangerous position'.

To push the car took (3?) marshalls. To lift and recover the car would>take one to put the sling through the lifting hoop and one in the>crane/tractor (who is usually reasonably well protected) MS by acting>like the spoil brat he is and insisting on a push put at least two>other lives on the line.

He wasn't in so dangerous a position as Heidfeld, and he wasn't in so >dangerous a position to be, potentially, life threatening to other drivers. >In order to get enough marshalls to scurry across the gravel trap, he >certainly caused their lives to be endangered - completely unnecessarily, in >the event, as he retired his car at the end of that lap.>

On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 19:05:52 -0000, "Probert"> <nick.wf1commdept2@­btinternet.com> wrote:>

He was in a situation where both pushing him or getting him and his> car off the track would have posed the same amount of "danger".> Remember, as soon as he hit the gravel the yellows would have been> flying the corner before, so cars would have come in a bit slower and> in formation, a similar incident would have been quite unlikely.. > It's a decision the marshalls make and they are not rookies.

MS was helpless - all he could do was sit in his car>and gesture to the workers.

Heidfeld twitched himself into the grass, like a good little Team>England player preventing Schumacher from a possible points paying>position.