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Open wheel competition
Cal Vanize 24 April 2005 23:06:04
	The IRL can take note of today's F1 race. That was an example of good competition on a road course. Lots of passing, close competition, good drivers, obviously (visually) quick cars. All without the benefit of dummied-down engines, the limitations of ovals, free ticket giveaways or over-hype. And there wasn't any big Ed or 4 to take out the better drivers. Today's F1 race at Imola is an example of what is necessary to help open wheel make a recovery. But its a big uphill struggle against the downward momentum established by the IRL.
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Hadji 25 April 2005 03:07:09 [ permanent link ]
	"Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message news:m1Sae.17882$Jg7.10089@fe03.lga...> The IRL can take note of today's F1 race. That was an example of good> competition on a road course. Lots of passing, close competition, good> drivers, obviously (visually) quick cars.> Today's F1 race at Imola is an example of what is necessary to help open> wheel make a recovery. But its a big uphill struggle against the> downward momentum established by the IRL. On the F1 discussion sites they're calling it the result of the IRL-ification of F1. Note all the new rules in F1 to "even" the competition the last few years - tires, tech restrictions, cost control measures; all with the intent to make the races closer and keep the lesser teams in the hunt. Now they're getting the results similar to what the IRL has achieved. The fact that the race today seems to please a lot of people (like you I quite enjoyed it myself, too) seems to give creedence to the long-term goals established by Tony George. Hadji
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Dave R knows who 25 April 2005 04:18:57 [ permanent link ]
	"Hadji" <jonny@quest.com> wrote in message news:r6ydnXUWJ8a0uPHfRVn-tw@adelphia.com...> "Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message> news:m1Sae.17882$Jg7.10089@fe03.lga...>> The IRL can take note of today's F1 race. That was an example of good>> competition on a road course. Lots of passing, close competition, good>> drivers, obviously (visually) quick cars.>> Today's F1 race at Imola is an example of what is necessary to help open>> wheel make a recovery. But its a big uphill struggle against the>> downward momentum established by the IRL.> On the F1 discussion sites they're calling it the result of the> IRL-ification of F1.> Note all the new rules in F1 to "even" the competition the last few > years -> tires, tech restrictions, cost control measures; all with the intent to > make> the races closer and keep the lesser teams in the hunt. Now they're > getting> the results similar to what the IRL has achieved.> The fact that the race today seems to please a lot of people (like you I> quite enjoyed it myself, too) seems to give creedence to the long-term > goals> established by Tony George.> You like Honda winning every race?
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Cal Vanize 25 April 2005 05:22:52 [ permanent link ]
	Dave R knows who wrote: "Hadji" <jonny@quest.com> wrote in message > news:r6ydnXUWJ8a0uPHfRVn-tw@adelphia.com...> "Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message>>news:m1Sae.17882$Jg7.10089@fe03.lga...>> The IRL can take note of today's F1 race. That was an example of good>>>competition on a road course. Lots of passing, close competition, good>>>drivers, obviously (visually) quick cars.>>> Today's F1 race at Imola is an example of what is necessary to help open>>>wheel make a recovery. But its a big uphill struggle against the>>>downward momentum established by the IRL.>> On the F1 discussion sites they're calling it the result of the>>IRL-ification of F1.>> Note all the new rules in F1 to "even" the competition the last few >>years ->>tires, tech restrictions, cost control measures; all with the intent to >>make>>the races closer and keep the lesser teams in the hunt. Now they're >>getting>>the results similar to what the IRL has achieved.>> The fact that the race today seems to please a lot of people (like you I>>quite enjoyed it myself, too) seems to give creedence to the long-term >>goals>>established by Tony George.>> You like Honda winning every race? > That won't last long. They can't stay with the IRL: no return on investment.
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Bobby D 25 April 2005 05:51:26 [ permanent link ]
	"Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message news:m1Sae.17882$Jg7.10089@fe03.lga...> The IRL can take note of today's F1 race. That was an example of good > competition on a road course. Lots of passing, close competition, good > drivers, obviously (visually) quick cars. Been there, done that. It's really annoying when the entire grandstand stands up and shouts everytime a red car goes past.
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Cal Vanize 25 April 2005 06:06:20 [ permanent link ]
	Bobby D wrote: "Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message > news:m1Sae.17882$Jg7.10089@fe03.lga...> The IRL can take note of today's F1 race. That was an example of good >>competition on a road course. Lots of passing, close competition, good >>drivers, obviously (visually) quick cars.> Been there, done that. It's really annoying when the entire grandstand> stands up and shouts everytime a red car goes past. Ok, so you want a slow-motion parade. Sorta like a low-speed chase? Why don't you watch replays of OJ's low-speed chase. There wasn't much passing there either.
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Cal Vanize 25 April 2005 06:55:25 [ permanent link ]
	Allan Pagan wrote: Bobby D wrote:> "Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message>>news:m1Sae.17882$Jg7.10089@fe03.lga...>> The IRL can take note of today's F1 race. That was an example of> good> competition on a road course. Lots of passing, close competition,> good> drivers, obviously (visually) quick cars.>> Been there, done that. It's really annoying when the entire> grandstand> stands up and shouts everytime a red car goes past.> Yeah, it's obvious tell your prefer the empty grandstands of the IRL.> When ANY car goes by, no fans are sitting or standing! Hahahahaha!> There's plenty of room to lay down and take a nap during the "race".
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Bobby D 25 April 2005 07:05:10 [ permanent link ]
	"Allan Pagan" <allanpagan@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1114397135.522979.167780@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... Yeah, it's obvious tell your prefer the empty grandstands of the IRL.> When ANY car goes by, no fans are sitting or standing! Hahahahaha! Tell me about it, Chump. I've been to Texas, Chicagoland, Kentucky and Kansas. The crowds have been huge compared to my visits to Portland, Milwaukee, Las Vegas, Laguna Seca, Mid-Ohio, Cleveland and Road America. Oppps, sorry, Laguna Seca, Mid-Ohio and Road America are gone. Why is that? Attendance too high for those tracks? Even Richmond, Nashville and Pikes Peak outdraw most of the races on the current CART schedule. The IRL at Milwaukee outdrew CART by 20,000. Keep dancing, Chump. The organ grinder is still playing. Got those Korea tickets yet, Chump?
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Galloping.Moron 25 April 2005 13:40:20 [ permanent link ]
	"Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message news:m1Sae.17882$Jg7.10089@fe03.lga...> The IRL can take note of today's F1 race. That was an example of good > competition on a road course. Lots of passing, close competition, good > drivers, obviously (visually) quick cars.> All without the benefit of dummied-down engines, the limitations of ovals, > free ticket giveaways or over-hype. And there wasn't any big Ed or 4 to > take out the better drivers.> Today's F1 race at Imola is an example of what is necessary to help open > wheel make a recovery. But its a big uphill struggle against the downward > momentum established by the IRL.> Americans do not care about European auto racing and Europeans do not care about American auto racing. I do not understand why it is so difficult for some people to grasp this very basic concept. Next month F-Ferrari will be a forgotten stepchild as the entire world focuses on the greatest spectacle in motor racing - The Indianapolis 500.
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Cal Vanize 25 April 2005 16:15:21 [ permanent link ]
	galloping.moron wrote:> "Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote in message > news:m1Sae.17882$Jg7.10089@fe03.lga...> The IRL can take note of today's F1 race. That was an example of good >>competition on a road course. Lots of passing, close competition, good >>drivers, obviously (visually) quick cars.>> All without the benefit of dummied-down engines, the limitations of ovals, >>free ticket giveaways or over-hype. And there wasn't any big Ed or 4 to >>take out the better drivers.>> Today's F1 race at Imola is an example of what is necessary to help open >>wheel make a recovery. But its a big uphill struggle against the downward >>momentum established by the IRL.>> Americans do not care about European auto racing and Europeans do not care > about American auto racing. I do not understand why it is so difficult for > some people to grasp this very basic concept.> Next month F-Ferrari will be a forgotten stepchild as the entire world > focuses on the greatest spectacle in motor racing - The Indianapolis 500. That might have been the case in the past, but no longer. The IRL 500 doesn't have international interest. It barely has interest in North America except as the warm-up race for the NASCAR [whatever sponsor pays for the race name] 600. I do not understand why it is so difficult for the IRLers to grasp this very basic concept.
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Team AGR 25 April 2005 18:05:33 [ permanent link ]
	Bobby D <Bob@bob.com> wrote in message: news:<D7Zae.37597$B93.20738@lakeread06>> The IRL at Milwaukee outdrew CART by 20,000.> That's 'cause everybody loves the IRL everywhere you go. Especially Team AGR and Tony.
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Js1 26 April 2005 07:43:02 [ permanent link ]
	On 2005-04-25, galloping.moron <nascar42@cox.net> wrote:> Next month F-Ferrari will be a forgotten stepchild as the entire world > focuses on the greatest spectacle in motor racing - The Indianapolis 500. > 33 cars for 33 spots. Exciting. 500 miles? Big effin' deal. Is surviving 500 miles that big of a deal any more? -- "I have to decide between two equally frightening options. If I wanted to do that, I'd vote." --Duckman
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Galloping.Moron 30 April 2005 20:45:38 [ permanent link ]
	"js1" <js1@dev.js1.bogus> wrote in message news:slrnd6rej2.fip.js1@dev.js1.bogus...> On 2005-04-25, galloping.moron <nascar42@cox.net> wrote:>> Next month F-Ferrari will be a forgotten stepchild as the entire world>> focuses on the greatest spectacle in motor racing - The Indianapolis 500.>> 33 cars for 33 spots. Exciting. 500 miles? Big effin' deal. Is> surviving 500 miles that big of a deal any more?> Only if the 500 miles are at Indianapolis Motor Speedway.
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D . Bowles 30 April 2005 21:38:02 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:06:04 -0500, Cal Vanize <forgetthespam@finallyfree.com> wrote: The IRL can take note of today's F1 race. That was an example of good >competition on a road course. Lots of passing, close competition, good >drivers, obviously (visually) quick cars.> All without the benefit of dummied-down engines, the limitations of >ovals, free ticket giveaways or over-hype. And there wasn't any big Ed >or 4 to take out the better drivers.> Today's F1 race at Imola is an example of what is necessary to help open >wheel make a recovery. But its a big uphill struggle against the >downward momentum established by the IRL. Yeah, throw a couple'a billion dollars a year at twenty cars and eventually there will be one or two races a year that appear competitive. F1 does not present a model that either ChampCar nor the IRL need follow. - Doug
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Cal Vanize 30 April 2005 21:55:09 [ permanent link ]
	galloping.moron wrote:> "js1" <js1@dev.js1.bogus> wrote in message > news:slrnd6rej2.fip.js1@dev.js1.bogus...> On 2005-04-25, galloping.moron <nascar42@cox.net> wrote:>> Next month F-Ferrari will be a forgotten stepchild as the entire world>>>focuses on the greatest spectacle in motor racing - The Indianapolis 500.>>> 33 cars for 33 spots. Exciting. 500 miles? Big effin' deal. Is>>surviving 500 miles that big of a deal any more?>> Only if the 500 miles are at Indianapolis Motor Speedway. That might have been the case in earlier years. In more recent history, at least since the formation of the IRL and the subsequent shutdown of competition for the IRL 500, there is not much interest. The IRL has successfully transfered racing interest in that weekend's events to the NASCAR [whatever] 600. We can't lose sight that NASCAR's best friend and promoter is Tony George. He has single-handedly been responsible for many fans changing their interest from open wheel to NASCAR.
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Galloping.Moron 30 April 2005 22:29:46 [ permanent link ]
	What about Emo, Mansell, Tracy? Do you think nobody remembers them?> Mansell? Who is Mansell? Is that supposed to be some famous racing name? Did this Mansell win the Indy 500?
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Cal Vanize 30 April 2005 23:19:37 [ permanent link ]
	galloping.moron wrote: What about Emo, Mansell, Tracy? Do you think nobody remembers them?>> Mansell? Who is Mansell? Is that supposed to be some famous racing name? > Did this Mansell win the Indy 500? You either know the answers or you shouldn't be in this newsgroup (or you're just a breathing joke).
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Bobby D 3 May 2005 04:13:01 [ permanent link ]
	"Allan Pagan" <allanpagan@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1114402126.652790.278390@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... Unless TG is giving tickets away, and even most venues where he does,> the stands and TV viewers are basically nil. Al. I need some of these free tickets.
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Cal Vanize 3 May 2005 04:35:21 [ permanent link ]
	Bobby D wrote: "Allan Pagan" <allanpagan@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1114402126.652790.278390@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> Unless TG is giving tickets away, and even most venues where he does,>>the stands and TV viewers are basically nil.> Al. I need some of these free tickets. The IRL figures you're gonna pay, so you don't qualify.
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