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St. Pete's attendance

Bill C . 5 April 2005 02:39:18
 A report at the TSN website says the crowd was 35,000 on Sunday and 40 -
50,000 all weekend.

Massive compared to Phoenix and huge by IRL standards.
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Eric Baker 5 April 2005 03:48:19 [ permanent link ]
 They had to copy Champ Car to get attendance up. Imitation is the
sincerest form of flattery, I guess. I suppose to be successful,
they'll just have to keep copying...everythin­g, until they are Champ
Car, except with ugly cars and an copycat TG in charge. Has the man
ever had an original idea of his own that was successful? As long as he
keeps chasing Champ Car, he'll always be a few steps behind. Face it,
he wouldn't know originality if it hit him on the head with a hammer.

But yes, they did definitely draw more people to a street race. How
many people here are actually surprised?


In article <MPG.1cbb8c1d6048a4­0598a136@news.indivi­dual.net>,
Bill C. <billcameron@cox.ne­t> wrote:
A report at the TSN website says the crowd was 35,000 on Sunday and 40 - > 50,000 all weekend.>
Massive compared to Phoenix and huge by IRL standards.
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Ed Carpenter 5 April 2005 20:11:59 [ permanent link ]
 
"Bill C." <billcameron@cox.ne­t> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cbb8c1d60­48a40598a136@news.in­dividual.net...> A report at the TSN website says the crowd was 35,000 on Sunday and 40 -> 50,000 all weekend.>
Massive compared to Phoenix and huge by IRL standards.

I'll tell you what did the trick. Good old fashioned advertising is the way to
reel in the crowds. Those signs that said:

Free Beer
Hot Chicks
Free Go Kart Rides

...sure did the trick for those crowds of spring breakers...


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David Reininger 5 April 2005 21:15:22 [ permanent link ]
 

"Ed Carpenter, Professional Track Blocker" wrote:
I'll tell you what did the trick. Good old fashioned advertising is the way to> reel in the crowds. Those signs that said:>
Free Beer

There were long lines to buy beer at St. Pete but I didn't buy any.

At $6 a beer I paid more for beer than tickets at the Phillies
vs. Nationals game yesterday.





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Ed Carpenter 5 April 2005 23:08:10 [ permanent link ]
 
"David Reininger" <dreining@gmu.edu> wrote in message
news:4252C7AA.871FF­3EA@gmu.edu...>
"Ed Carpenter, Professional Track Blocker" wrote:>
I'll tell you what did the trick. Good old fashioned advertising is the way
reel in the crowds. Those signs that said:> >
Free Beer>
There were long lines to buy beer at St. Pete but I didn't buy any.

Isn't that just like Tony? Say he stands for one thing, then give you another.
Kind of reminds me of no engine leases, no street races, Real American dirt
track heros, etc...



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Von Fourche 6 April 2005 22:20:00 [ permanent link ]
 
"Eric Baker" <ebaker@cats.ucsc.e­du> wrote in message
news:ebaker-6F202B.­16481904042005@darks­tar.ucsc.edu...> They had to copy Champ Car to get attendance up. Imitation is the> sincerest form of flattery, I guess. I suppose to be successful,> they'll just have to keep copying...everythin­g, until they are Champ> Car, except with ugly cars and an copycat TG in charge. Has the man> ever had an original idea of his own that was successful? As long as he> keeps chasing Champ Car, he'll always be a few steps behind. Face it,> he wouldn't know originality if it hit him on the head with a hammer.>
But yes, they did definitely draw more people to a street race. How> many people here are actually surprised?



It's no secret they want to copy Champ Car. Why not? They see the
great attendance Champ Car gets at Long Beach, Mexico, Gold Coast, and that
race in Denver. Champ Car realized a few years ago that if they cant fans
to attend their oval races then take their racing to the fans with street
courses.

I can see the IRL's schedule in the next couple years to be 75%
road/street courses.


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Robert Lorenzini 6 April 2005 22:31:30 [ permanent link ]
 On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 18:20:00 GMT, Von Fourche <monaco6178@hotmail­.com> wrote:>
I can see the IRL's schedule in the next couple years to be 75%> road/street courses.

Share the "vision". TGFTG.


Bob
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Dave R knows who 6 April 2005 22:40:59 [ permanent link ]
 
"Von Fourche" <monaco6178@hotmail­.com> wrote in message
news:kLV4e.1925$yq6­.563@newsread3.news.­pas.earthlink.net...­>
"Eric Baker" <ebaker@cats.ucsc.e­du> wrote in message> news:ebaker-6F202B.­16481904042005@darks­tar.ucsc.edu...>> They had to copy Champ Car to get attendance up. Imitation is the>> sincerest form of flattery, I guess. I suppose to be successful,>> they'll just have to keep copying...everythin­g, until they are Champ>> Car, except with ugly cars and an copycat TG in charge. Has the man>> ever had an original idea of his own that was successful? As long as he>> keeps chasing Champ Car, he'll always be a few steps behind. Face it,>> he wouldn't know originality if it hit him on the head with a hammer.>>
But yes, they did definitely draw more people to a street race. How>> many people here are actually surprised?>
It's no secret they want to copy Champ Car. Why not? They see the> great attendance Champ Car gets at Long Beach, Mexico, Gold Coast, and > that> race in Denver. Champ Car realized a few years ago that if they cant fans> to attend their oval races then take their racing to the fans with street> courses.>
I can see the IRL's schedule in the next couple years to be 75%> road/street courses.>

Yep, whatever the manufacturers want. They are tired of playing to empty
houses and want to get back to the glory days of the big CART events so
that's the way the IRL is going.


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Carey Akin 6 April 2005 22:59:50 [ permanent link ]
 
"Von Fourche" <monaco6178@hotmail­.com> wrote in message
news:kLV4e.1925$yq6­.563@newsread3.news.­pas.earthlink.net...­>
It's no secret they want to copy Champ Car. Why not? They see the> great attendance Champ Car gets at Long Beach, Mexico, Gold Coast, and
that> race in Denver. Champ Car realized a few years ago that if they cant fans> to attend their oval races then take their racing to the fans with street> courses.

What you mean is that OWRS can't draw a crowd with racing, so they skew the
attendance with a street festival. After all, wasn't it Paul Tracy that
stated something to the effect that most just come for the party, and not
the racing?
I can see the IRL's schedule in the next couple years to be 75%> road/street courses.>
Too bad.

Carey in Manvel


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Von Fourche 7 April 2005 03:16:00 [ permanent link ]
 
"Carey Akin" <cmakin@att.net> wrote in message
news:GkW4e.48726$cg­1.29376@bgtnsc04-new­s.ops.worldnet.att.n­et...>
"Von Fourche" <monaco6178@hotmail­.com> wrote in message> news:kLV4e.1925$yq6­.563@newsread3.news.­pas.earthlink.net...­> >
It's no secret they want to copy Champ Car. Why not? They see the> > great attendance Champ Car gets at Long Beach, Mexico, Gold Coast, and> that> > race in Denver. Champ Car realized a few years ago that if they cant
fans> > to attend their oval races then take their racing to the fans with
street> > courses.>
What you mean is that OWRS can't draw a crowd with racing, so they skew
attendance with a street festival. After all, wasn't it Paul Tracy that> stated something to the effect that most just come for the party, and not> the racing?


You got to do what you got to do in this time of NASCAR dominance. So,
if that means taking the racing to the streets to the people then do it.


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Damon Scott Hynes 7 April 2005 03:41:33 [ permanent link ]
 
After all, wasn't it Paul Tracy that> stated something to the effect that most just come for the party, and not> the racing?

Dunno--the last place I'd want to see a race from is the infield of
either Daytona or Indianapolis. I'm 43 years old and never have been
puked on yet, and I don't want to start.

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Jeff Parsons 7 April 2005 03:59:20 [ permanent link ]
 In article <GkW4e.48726$cg1.29­376@bgtnsc04-news.op­s.worldnet.att.net>,­
"Carey Akin" <cmakin@att.net> wrote:
"Von Fourche" <monaco6178@hotmail­.com> wrote in message> news:kLV4e.1925$yq6­.563@newsread3.news.­pas.earthlink.net...­> >
I can see the IRL's schedule in the next couple years to be 75%> > road/street courses.>
Too bad.

Yo! Dimwit!

"This past weekend's race in St. Petersburg proved once again that the
future of open-wheel racing in North America lies in street or road
courses. Organizers of the IRL event estimate as many as 35,000 showed
up for the event on Sunday and the weekend figures will likely fall
inbetween 40 to 50,000.

Compare that to the paltry 8 to 10,000 who showed up for the oval race
in Phoenix the week before. Coupled with the fact that attendance is on
the decline at oval events unless there's a NASCAR label attached to it
and you can see why the IRL has suddenly discovered what Champ Car has
known all along."


"suddenly discovered"? Is that the same thing as an epiphany? Was a
bolt of lightning involved? Or was this just something that came out of
the group hug in the mens room at the 16th and Georgetown weekly circle
jerk?

BWHAAAAA BWHAAAAA BWHAAAAA!

-Jeff

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IRL Circle Jerk 7 April 2005 04:26:40 [ permanent link ]
 Carey Akin cmakin@att.net wrote in message:
news:<GkW4e.48726$c­g1.29376@bgtnsc04-ne­ws.ops.worldnet.att.­net>> What you mean is that OWRS can't draw a crowd with racing, so they skew the> attendance with a street festival. After all, wasn't it Paul Tracy that> stated something to the effect that most just come for the party, and not> the racing?>
You're making things up. No need to lie, but you do anyway. You're another
TG worshipping buffoon who bullshits because he doesn't have an argument.

Loser league, lying loser fans.
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Ed Carpenter 7 April 2005 15:03:43 [ permanent link ]
 
"Dave R knows who" <kilbyfan@spamnotAO­L.com> wrote in message
news:%2W4e.13564$m3­1.134007@typhoon.son­ic.net...>
Yep, whatever the manufacturers want. They are tired of playing to empty> houses and want to get back to the glory days of the big CART events so> that's the way the IRL is going.>

Meet the new CART, same as the old CART...except with Mr.Ego in charge...except
for having to win an entirely new fan base...except etc...


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Carey Akin 7 April 2005 16:23:53 [ permanent link ]
 
"Damon Scott Hynes" <damonhynes@hotmail­.com> wrote in message
news:Ns_4e.6694$Bk3­.3258@fe07.lga...>
Dunno--the last place I'd want to see a race from is the infield of> either Daytona or Indianapolis. I'm 43 years old and never have been> puked on yet, and I don't want to start.>
--
That is my point. Most of the folks that attend street races aren't there
for the racing. I would also venture to say the same for the infield crowd
at a NASCAR race. I am not so sure about the infield crowd at Indy,
especially with the demise of the snake pit.

Carey in Manvel


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David Reininger 7 April 2005 19:15:56 [ permanent link ]
 

Damon Scott Hynes wrote:
After all, wasn't it Paul Tracy that> > stated something to the effect that most just come for the party, and not> > the racing?>
Dunno--the last place I'd want to see a race from is the infield of> either Daytona or Indianapolis. I'm 43 years old and never have been> puked on yet, and I don't want to start.

No children, eh?



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David Reininger 7 April 2005 19:22:39 [ permanent link ]
 

scottscottscott wrote:
David Reininger wrote:>
There were long lines to buy beer at St. Pete> >
I paid more for beer than tickets at the Phillies> > vs. Nationals game yesterday.>
Most folks at St Pete can say the same thing.

The Phils game sold out before I made it to the
ticket window. I paid 10 bucks for standing room.
(Sat in section 127 - it looked like press box overflow)

Beers were $6.

As for St. Pete, my Dad wasn't feeling well
and left after the start of the race. Scpalers
tried to buy his paddock pass as he left the
circuit. People were still buying tickets after
the green flag.




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Carey Akin 7 April 2005 23:20:40 [ permanent link ]
 
"IRL Circle Jerk" <irlcj@texas.vision­> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cbe484d7b­b3b17198a18a@news.in­dividual.net...>
You're making things up. No need to lie, but you do anyway. You're
another> TG worshipping buffoon who bullshits because he doesn't have an argument.

Nope, didn't make it up. Check your archives. I believe that tjmc quoted
him.
Loser league, lying loser fans.

Prove me wrong.

Carey in Manvel


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IRL Circle Jerk 8 April 2005 00:18:52 [ permanent link ]
 Carey Akin cmakin@att.net wrote in message:
news:<cKf5e.535698$­w62.227748@bgtnsc05-­news.ops.worldnet.at­t.net>>
"IRL Circle Jerk" <irlcj@texas.vision­> wrote in message> news:MPG.1cbe484d7b­b3b17198a18a@news.in­dividual.net...> >
You're making things up. No need to lie, but you do anyway. You're> another> > TG worshipping buffoon who bullshits because he doesn't have an argument.>
Nope, didn't make it up. Check your archives. I believe that tjmc quoted> him.>
Loser league, lying loser fans.>
Prove me wrong.>
Carey in Manvel>
Cite the actual quote from Paul Tracy, you fucking southern redneck. It's
up to you to provide proof that he said it, not up to me to prove that
you're a fucking drooling retard and a liar (which is apparent).
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David Reininger 8 April 2005 00:43:01 [ permanent link ]
 

IRL Circle Jerk wrote:
Cite the actual quote from Paul Tracy

"They might not even come to see the race but they come
down here for the atmosphere and its a party and they can
enjoy themselves even if they don't see the cars even once."







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Carey Akin 8 April 2005 01:08:28 [ permanent link ]
 
"David Reininger" <dreining@gmu.edu> wrote in message
news:42559B55.C0999­A32@gmu.edu...>
"They might not even come to see the race but they come> down here for the atmosphere and its a party and they can> enjoy themselves even if they don't see the cars even once.">
Thanks Dave. How's things? Looks as though I will be a no show again this
year in May. Hopefully I will get back up there next year.

Carey in Manvel


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Eric Baker 8 April 2005 02:27:29 [ permanent link ]
 Yes, Carey, but isn't this exactly what the IRL is doing? It's just
gotta gall you to support a league that aspires to be everything you
criticize about Champ Cars.


In article <GkW4e.48726$cg1.29­376@bgtnsc04-news.op­s.worldnet.att.net>,­
"Carey Akin" <cmakin@att.net> wrote:
What you mean is that OWRS can't draw a crowd with racing, so they skew the> attendance with a street festival. >
Carey in Manvel>
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Jeff Parsons 8 April 2005 03:54:07 [ permanent link ]
 In article <ebaker-0DEC21.1527­2907042005@darkstar.­ucsc.edu>,
Eric Baker <ebaker@cats.ucsc.e­du> wrote:
Yes, Carey, but isn't this exactly what the IRL is doing? It's just > gotta gall you to support a league that aspires to be everything you > criticize about Champ Cars.

Gall, gall, gall!

Defend, defend, defend!

Deny, deny, deny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-Jeff
In article <GkW4e.48726$cg1.29­376@bgtnsc04-news.op­s.worldnet.att.net>,­> "Carey Akin" <cmakin@att.net> wrote:>
What you mean is that OWRS can't draw a crowd with racing, so they skew the> > attendance with a street festival. > >
Carey in Manvel> >

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Damon Scott Hynes 8 April 2005 06:31:15 [ permanent link ]
 
Dunno--the last place I'd want to see a race from is the infield of>>either Daytona or Indianapolis. I'm 43 years old and never have been>>puked on yet, and I don't want to start.>
No children, eh?

Emfamil don't count...!

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One less toothbrush hanging in the stand
My face ain't looking any younger
Now I can see love's taken a toll on me
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Hadji 8 April 2005 08:54:21 [ permanent link ]
 "Eric Baker" <ebaker@cats.ucsc.e­du> wrote in message
news:ebaker-0DEC21.­15272907042005@darks­tar.ucsc.edu...> Yes, Carey, but isn't this exactly what the IRL is doing? It's just> gotta gall you to support a league that aspires to be everything you> criticize about Champ Cars.

I realize the one street race the IRL ran was a major success, and it's
killing you guys, but the occasional street race has been a part of the
IRL's plans since '96.

We've seen what the Champ car sanctioning league aspired to, and no one
(including the IRL) wants any part of that.

Hadji


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Not Old BS 8 April 2005 14:50:40 [ permanent link ]
 
"Hadji" <jonny@quest.com> wrote in message
news:D­vWdnTZl2rOCkM­vfRVn-qQ@adelphia.co­m...> "Eric Baker" <ebaker@cats.ucsc.e­du> wrote in message> news:ebaker-0DEC21.­15272907042005@darks­tar.ucsc.edu...> > Yes, Carey, but isn't this exactly what the IRL is doing? It's just> > gotta gall you to support a league that aspires to be everything you> > criticize about Champ Cars.>
I realize the one street race the IRL ran was a major success, and it's> killing you guys, but the occasional street race has been a part of the> IRL's plans since '96.

No, most CART fans like a good street brawl. It is the circle jerks that it's
killing. Notice I didn't mention Carey specifically.
We've seen what the Champ car sanctioning league aspired to, and no one> (including the IRL) wants any part of that.

What part of CART don't you like? Engine leases, foreign drivers, foreign
manufacturers, venues outside North
America and races on street circuits and road courses were the staple of CART.

Meet the new CART, same as the old CART, only with the "chosen one" in charge,
only without a meaningful fan base, etc...

No, I am not old BS. Try to let the dog type next time.


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Robert Lorenzini 8 April 2005 18:38:15 [ permanent link ]
 On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:54:21 -0700, Hadji <jonny@quest.com> wrote:>
I realize the one street race the IRL ran was a major success, and it's> killing you guys, but the occasional street race has been a part of the> IRL's plans since '96.

BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH­AHA that is just too funny.


Bob
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Eric Baker 8 April 2005 22:22:03 [ permanent link ]
 Huh? You can't be serious! Nowhere was street racing part of the
impaired "vision" of 1996. Nowhere. How can you claim with a straight
face that the IRL does not want any part of what Champ Car does? They
don't want Long Beach? They don't want road courses? they don't want
to add even more street races? They don't want an international array
of drivers? Maybe it's you who doesn't know what the IRL wants.

They're following so close on the heels of Champ Car they're going to
get kicked if they're not careful. But, imitation is the sincerest
form of flattery. Obviously TG sees more of what he likes in Champ Car
then what he sees in the IRL, or he wouldn't be evolving it
into...yep...the old CART! Hmmmm...actually, that's much more irony
than flattery. Champ Car has moved on, the IRL is still playing catch
up.

In article <DvWdnTZl2rOCkMvfRV­n-qQ@adelphia.com>,
"Hadji" <jonny@quest.com> wrote:
I realize the one street race the IRL ran was a major success, and it's> killing you guys, but the occasional street race has been a part of the> IRL's plans since '96.>
We've seen what the Champ car sanctioning league aspired to, and no one> (including the IRL) wants any part of that.
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Frad Netion 8 April 2005 22:43:12 [ permanent link ]
 Hadji jonny@quest.com wrote in message: news:<DvWdnTZl2rOCk­MvfRVn-
qQ@adelphia.com>> I realize the one street race the IRL ran was a major success, and it's> killing you guys, but the occasional street race has been a part of the> IRL's plans since '96.>
That's true! Tony always included street races, road races, engine leases,
big time engine manufacturers, expensive teams, lots of foreign drivers and
empty stands at ovals in his vision. The vision is realized. TGFTG
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Carey Akin 8 April 2005 22:50:15 [ permanent link ]
 
"Allan Pagan" <allanpagan@yahoo.c­om> wrote in message
news:1112979907.615­748.95280@l41g2000cw­c.googlegroups.com..­.>
CHIM-CHIM says, "to the effect that most just come for the party, and> not> the racing?">
Tracy said nothing about "MOST" but just the generic "PEOPLE."> CHIM-CHIM never met a situation where he couldn't purposely distort and> willfully fabricate to fit his agenda.

Which could mean all.
It is worth observing that the hypocrite that is CHIM-CHIM is so> supportive of the IRL he continually misses their events. Just like> TJMC can't find an ISP, CHIM-CHIM finds ways to make excuses to miss> the EARL 500. Last year, he didn't even watch the exciting conclusion> on TV, but went to the store instead. Ha-ha-ha!

I can't recall. Glad you did.>
I'm sure this recurrent non-attendance, can't be said for his> favorite pork-rib-dining establishment. CHIM-CHIM never misses an> opportunity for gluttony.>
A typical mature post.

Carey in Manvel


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Cal Vanize 9 April 2005 04:31:19 [ permanent link ]
 Bill C. wrote:
A report at the TSN website says the crowd was 35,000 on Sunday and 40 - > 50,000 all weekend.>
Massive compared to Phoenix and huge by IRL standards.

What will be the typical weekend crowd at Yankee Stadium? 120,000?
They have games all year so one weekend isn't all that big a deal.

OK, that's not fair... The St. Louis Cardinals will draw 140,000 this
weekend. There, that's better. What? Three times St. Pete? OK,
that's not racing, its athletic sports Wait a minute....

What did Bristol draw last weekend? 275,000? Oops, that not fair.
NASCAR isn't ra... Wait, NASCAR **IS** racing! With a big fan base and
race attendance. That's where all the open wheel fans went.


Open wheel is no longer considered a major sport and is covered
accordingly. Its dead. Doesn't matter if its IRL or OWRS. The
uniqueness of this event will wear off and OW will be left back where it
was last year. Pre-empted by re-runs of Gilligan's Island and the
Swedish Ice Curling Championships.

You know it to be true. If you argue the point you're living in denial
(not a river in Africa).



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Cal Vanize 9 April 2005 04:39:35 [ permanent link ]
 Carey Akin wrote:
"Damon Scott Hynes" <damonhynes@hotmail­.com> wrote in message> news:Ns_4e.6694$Bk3­.3258@fe07.lga...>
Dunno--the last place I'd want to see a race from is the infield of>>either Daytona or Indianapolis. I'm 43 years old and never have been>>puked on yet, and I don't want to start.>>
-- >
That is my point. Most of the folks that attend street races aren't there> for the racing. I would also venture to say the same for the infield crowd> at a NASCAR race. I am not so sure about the infield crowd at Indy,> especially with the demise of the snake pit.>
Carey in Manvel>
Let 'em party. If you want to watch the race, there's always TV. This
is unless its pre-empted by a Roy Rogers movie or Women's Jr. Olympic
Javelin trials.


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Cal Vanize 9 April 2005 04:41:22 [ permanent link ]
 David Reininger wrote:
scottscottscott wrote:>
David Reininger wrote:>>
There were long lines to buy beer at St. Pete>>>
I paid more for beer than tickets at the Phillies>>>vs. Nationals game yesterday.>>
Most folks at St Pete can say the same thing.>
The Phils game sold out before I made it to the> ticket window. I paid 10 bucks for standing room.> (Sat in section 127 - it looked like press box overflow)>
Beers were $6.>
As for St. Pete, my Dad wasn't feeling well> and left after the start of the race. Scpalers> tried to buy his paddock pass as he left the> circuit. People were still buying tickets after> the green flag.

Wasn't there more attendance at the Phillies' game then in St. Pete?

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Cal Vanize 9 April 2005 04:42:09 [ permanent link ]
 Carey Akin wrote:
"IRL Circle Jerk" <irlcj@texas.vision­> wrote in message> news:MPG.1cbe484d7b­b3b17198a18a@news.in­dividual.net...>
You're making things up. No need to lie, but you do anyway. You're>
another>
TG worshipping buffoon who bullshits because he doesn't have an argument.>
Nope, didn't make it up. Check your archives. I believe that tjmc quoted> him.>
Loser league, lying loser fans.>
Prove me wrong.>
Carey in Manvel

You're a fan. That's enough for me.

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Cal Vanize 9 April 2005 04:43:00 [ permanent link ]
 IRL Circle Jerk wrote:
Carey Akin cmakin@att.net wrote in message: > news:<cKf5e.535698$­w62.227748@bgtnsc05-­news.ops.worldnet.at­t.net>>
"IRL Circle Jerk" <irlcj@texas.vision­> wrote in message>>news:MPG.1­cbe484d7bb3b17198a18­a@news.individual.ne­t...>>
You're making things up. No need to lie, but you do anyway. You're>>
another>>
TG worshipping buffoon who bullshits because he doesn't have an argument.>>
Nope, didn't make it up. Check your archives. I believe that tjmc quoted>>him.>>
Loser league, lying loser fans.>>
Prove me wrong.>>
Carey in Manvel>>
Cite the actual quote from Paul Tracy, you fucking southern redneck. It's > up to you to provide proof that he said it, not up to me to prove that > you're a fucking drooling retard and a liar (which is apparent).

Oh, now. Don't hold back.

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Cal Vanize 9 April 2005 04:45:17 [ permanent link ]
 

hahahahahahahahahah­ahahahahahaha. couldn't be more right!!

Eric Baker wrote:
Yes, Carey, but isn't this exactly what the IRL is doing? It's just > gotta gall you to support a league that aspires to be everything you > criticize about Champ Cars.>
In article <GkW4e.48726$cg1.29­376@bgtnsc04-news.op­s.worldnet.att.net>,­> "Carey Akin" <cmakin@att.net> wrote:>
What you mean is that OWRS can't draw a crowd with racing, so they skew the>>attendance with a street festival. >>
Carey in Manvel>>

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Cal Vanize 9 April 2005 04:50:53 [ permanent link ]
 Hadji wrote:
"Eric Baker" <ebaker@cats.ucsc.e­du> wrote in message> news:ebaker-0DEC21.­15272907042005@darks­tar.ucsc.edu...>
Yes, Carey, but isn't this exactly what the IRL is doing? It's just>>gotta gall you to support a league that aspires to be everything you>>criticize about Champ Cars.>
I realize the one street race the IRL ran was a major success, and it's> killing you guys, but the occasional street race has been a part of the> IRL's plans since '96.>

Really? Along with engine leases? Cheap cars? Keeping thge
competition in North America?


We've seen what the Champ car sanctioning league aspired to, and no one> (including the IRL) wants any part of that.>
Hadji>


Seem to be copying pretty well. The only thing is that the IRL needs
heavy funding from TG. He needs to keep paying for his sins.


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Carey Akin 9 April 2005 08:48:00 [ permanent link ]
 
"Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@fina­llyfree.com> wrote in message
news:CqF5e.106$re6.­25@fe07.lga...
Let 'em party. If you want to watch the race, there's always TV. This is > unless its pre-empted by a Roy Rogers movie or Women's Jr. Olympic Javelin > trials.>
Now there is a CPOTW.

Carey in Manvel


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Carey Akin 9 April 2005 08:49:45 [ permanent link ]
 
"Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@fina­llyfree.com> wrote in message
news:%sF5e.108$re6.­95@fe07.lga...>
You're a fan. That's enough for me.

Brilliant.

Carey in Manvel>


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R2112 9 April 2005 09:12:10 [ permanent link ]
 "Carey Akin" <cmakin@att.net> somewhere out there wrote
fnews:48J5e.544150$­w62.430012@bgtnsc05-­news.ops.worldnet.at­t.net:
"Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@fina­llyfree.com> wrote in message > news:CqF5e.106$re6.­25@fe07.lga...>
Let 'em party. If you want to watch the race, there's always TV. >> This is unless its pre-empted by a Roy Rogers movie or Women's Jr.>> Olympic Javelin trials.>>
Now there is a CPOTW.>
Carey in Manvel >

you still into that?
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Cal Vanize 9 April 2005 09:21:06 [ permanent link ]
 Carey Akin wrote:
"Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@fina­llyfree.com> wrote in message > news:%sF5e.108$re6.­95@fe07.lga...>
You're a fan. That's enough for me.>
Brilliant.>
Carey in Manvel

Casey in Mudville strikes out again.

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Carey Akin 9 April 2005 09:40:45 [ permanent link ]
 
"Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@fina­llyfree.com> wrote in message
news:HxJ5e.1054$ea7­.389@fe06.lga...>>
Casey in Mudville strikes out again.

So quick to the name calling. Typical CHUMP response, and a display of a
lack of any decent response.

Carey in Manvel>


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Cal Vanize 9 April 2005 10:34:11 [ permanent link ]
 Carey Akin wrote:
"Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@fina­llyfree.com> wrote in message > news:HxJ5e.1054$ea7­.389@fe06.lga...>
Casey in Mudville strikes out again.>
So quick to the name calling. Typical CHUMP response, and a display of a > lack of any decent response.>
Carey in Manvel

Aw, are those little voices in your head talking back to you again? Did
you miss your medication tonight?

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Carey Akin 9 April 2005 10:39:46 [ permanent link ]
 
"Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@fina­llyfree.com> wrote in message
news:GFK5e.7$_63.5@­fe03.lga...>
and you miss the visits to Neverland and Mikey, too? Don't forget your > medicine!>
Casey in Mudville strikes out again>
So much for any constructive discussion.

Carey in Manvel


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R2112 9 April 2005 10:45:21 [ permanent link ]
 Cal Vanize <forgetthespam@fina­llyfree.com> somewhere out there wrote
fnews:WPK5e.11$_63.­0@fe03.lga:
Carey Akin wrote:>
"Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@fina­llyfree.com> wrote in message >> news:GFK5e.7$_63.5@­fe03.lga...>>
and you miss the visits to Neverland and Mikey, too? Don't forget
your >>>medicine!>>>
Casey in Mudville strikes out again>>>
So much for any constructive discussion.>>
Carey in Manvel >>
Its impossible to have a constructive discussion with you! You're too > deep in denial (not a river in Africa).>
Casey in Mudville strikes out again>

That river is pretty long too!
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Carey Akin 10 April 2005 18:11:52 [ permanent link ]
 
"Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@fina­llyfree.com> wrote in message
news:p­y%5e.155$_63.­115@fe03.lga...>
They take their lead from their hero, TG. NASCAR's best friend.>
If you keep saying it enough, you just may convince yourself.

Carey in Manvel


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Cal Vanize 10 April 2005 20:05:22 [ permanent link ]
 Carey Akin wrote:
"Cal Vanize" <forgetthespam@fina­llyfree.com> wrote in message > news:p­y%5e.155$_63.­115@fe03.lga...>
They take their lead from their hero, TG. NASCAR's best friend.>>
If you keep saying it enough, you just may convince yourself.>
Carey in Manvel

Hey Casey from Mudville strikes out again,

If you can figure out how to get the last two neurons in your brain
firing, you might see the reality of the statement.


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Carlos 12 April 2005 20:23:24 [ permanent link ]
 And don't forget the free tickets!

I was seated in my (paid-for) seat in the top row of grandstand 10 shortly
before the start. A number of people climbed the steps looking for their
seats - they had been given free tickets by the IRL.

Just one problem: the seats were for row 25, while the grandstand had only
24 rows. You get what you pay for!

Carlos

"Ed Carpenter, Professional Track Blocker" <ed.has.big.bucks@i­ndy.com> wrote
in message news:1155e31nb626md­5@news.supernews.com­...>
"Bill C." <billcameron@cox.ne­t> wrote in message> news:MPG.1cbb8c1d60­48a40598a136@news.in­dividual.net...>> A report at the TSN website says the crowd was 35,000 on Sunday and 40 ->> 50,000 all weekend.>>
Massive compared to Phoenix and huge by IRL standards.>
I'll tell you what did the trick. Good old fashioned advertising is the > way to> reel in the crowds. Those signs that said:>
Free Beer> Hot Chicks> Free Go Kart Rides>
...sure did the trick for those crowds of spring breakers...>


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