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Brian Lawrence 23 February 2005 20:43:45
	I can't remember if it's been discussed before, but I think I might have said that the rule about any driver who DNFs can have a new engine for the next event without penalty would only be applied to drivers who retired early enough to be not classified as a finisher. It seems that the teams raised this with Charlie Whiting at the Feb. 3 meeting, and he confirmed that even someone retiring on the last lap would get a free change of engine. He said that the FIA felt that any advantage of a new engine was outweighed by the loss of a finish. I guess they might be wrong on that one - as they are on lots of other things perhaps? -- Brian Lawrence Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com Wantage, Oxfordshire, UK
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Phil Newnham 23 February 2005 21:16:45 [ permanent link ]
	Harold Adrian Russell Philby wrote:> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:10:35 +0000, Graham Hodgson <ttgmh@hotmail.com>> wrote:> Something like this could work pretty well for a midfield team fighting >>with some of the bigger boys from time to time...> So much for the bigots' chorus of "the Formula England rules will put> the action back on the track where it belongs"... Is anyone keen on 2-race engines, among the fans? -- Phil http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/31307.html
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Harold Adrian Russell Philby 23 February 2005 21:19:02 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:16:45 +0000, Phil Newnham <pnewnhamat@yahoodot.com> wrote:>Harold Adrian Russell Philby wrote:>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:10:35 +0000, Graham Hodgson <ttgmh@hotmail.com>>> wrote:>> Something like this could work pretty well for a midfield team fighting >>>with some of the bigger boys from time to time...>> So much for the bigots' chorus of "the Formula England rules will put>> the action back on the track where it belongs"...> Is anyone keen on 2-race engines, among the fans? No one with two connected brain cells... Formula England: The ends justify the means.
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Geoff May 23 February 2005 21:28:38 [ permanent link ]
	Phil Newnham wrote:> Harold Adrian Russell Philby wrote:> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:10:35 +0000, Graham Hodgson <ttgmh@hotmail.com>>> wrote:>> Something like this could work pretty well for a midfield team >>> fighting with some of the bigger boys from time to time...>> So much for the bigots' chorus of "the Formula England rules will put>> the action back on the track where it belongs"...> Is anyone keen on 2-race engines, among the fans? I'm going to wait until I've seen a few races before making any hard and fast judgements but I'm sceptical. MfG Geoff. -- Unofficial F1 Database: http://glibs.ssmmdd.co.uk/ Update: 5th February, 2005 - Drivers for 2005 may change USENET Email address is a spam trap, send Emails to address in the DB
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Phil Newnham 23 February 2005 21:35:30 [ permanent link ]
	Harold Adrian Russell Philby wrote:> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:16:45 +0000, Phil Newnham> <pnewnhamat@yahoodot.com> wrote:> Is anyone keen on 2-race engines, among the fans?> No one with two connected brain cells... Indeed. Formula England: The ends justify the means. So you keep saying, with less and less evidence by the day. -- Phil http://www.usefilm.com/photographer/31307.html
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Harold Adrian Russell Philby 23 February 2005 21:56:51 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:35:30 +0000, Phil Newnham <pnewnhamat@yahoodot.com> wrote:>Harold Adrian Russell Philby wrote:>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:16:45 +0000, Phil Newnham>> <pnewnhamat@yahoodot.com> wrote:>> Is anyone keen on 2-race engines, among the fans?>> No one with two connected brain cells...> Indeed.> Formula England: The ends justify the means.> So you keep saying, with less and less evidence by the day. McLaren at the forefront wasn't the desired end, and two-race engines aren't an execrable means?
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Frank.... 24 February 2005 02:20:54 [ permanent link ]
	Phil Newnham wrote: Is anyone keen on 2-race engines, among the fans?> No! For the price of an F1 ticket I'd bloody well better see _new_ engines, not some recycled worn out piece. -- Frank....H
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Bob Dubery 25 February 2005 11:06:15 [ permanent link ]
	Brian Lawrence wrote:> I can't remember if it's been discussed before, but I think I might have> said that the rule about any driver who DNFs can have a new engine for the> next event without penalty would only be applied to drivers who retired> early enough to be not classified as a finisher. It seems that the teams> raised this with Charlie Whiting at the Feb. 3 meeting, and he confirmed> that even someone retiring on the last lap would get a free change of> engine.> He said that the FIA felt that any advantage of a new engine was outweighed> by the loss of a finish. I guess they might be wrong on that one - as they> are on lots of other things perhaps? I wonder how long this is going to last? The problem must surely be in the policing. Say Schumie gets a DNF in a race. Now the next GP he's got a new engine, Rubens is on his second race. Now... suppose, as has happened in the past, Schumie for whatever reason decides he wants to use the chassis originally prepared for Rubens. Now what happens to the engines, who ivigilates the changes and all other such changes to ensure that some team or another isn't pulling a fast one? We've seen this before. The ban on traction control was well intended but ultimately impossible to police and so the authorities just decided to allow it again. How are they going to police this regulation? Or is the idea to prove the regulation unworkable so that something else can be considered? Or is the idea to prove the regulation unworkable so that everybody can say "well we tried that and it was unworkable"?
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Peter 25 February 2005 13:13:09 [ permanent link ]
	Phil Newnham <pnewnhamat@yahoodot.com> writes>Harold Adrian Russell Philby wrote:>> McLaren at the forefront wasn't the desired end, and two-race engines>> aren't an execrable means?> Ah, so if Ferrari are at the front in Melbourne, it will be because they>made the best efforts over the winter, but if McLaren are at the front,>it will be because it's easier for them to turn an unreliable 1 race>engine into a powerful, reliable 2 race engine? As opposed to Ferrari>turning their already bulletproof 1 race engine into a similarly>bulletproof 2 race engine? Yes, I can see exactly how the rule clearly>and unfairly favours McLaren.> It should be recalled that both Williams and McLaren both strongly objected to the original 1 race per race weekend rule and tried to take the FIA to arbitration to have the rule change revoked. Ferrari OTOH... -- Peter
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Graham Hodgson 25 February 2005 15:12:02 [ permanent link ]
	peter wrote:> Phil Newnham <pnewnhamat@yahoodot.com> writes> Harold Adrian Russell Philby wrote:>> McLaren at the forefront wasn't the desired end, and two-race engines>>> aren't an execrable means?>> Ah, so if Ferrari are at the front in Melbourne, it will be because they>> made the best efforts over the winter, but if McLaren are at the front,>> it will be because it's easier for them to turn an unreliable 1 race>> engine into a powerful, reliable 2 race engine? As opposed to Ferrari>> turning their already bulletproof 1 race engine into a similarly>> bulletproof 2 race engine? Yes, I can see exactly how the rule clearly>> and unfairly favours McLaren.>> It should be recalled that both Williams and McLaren both strongly > objected to the original 1 race per race weekend rule and tried to take > the FIA to arbitration to have the rule change revoked.> Ferrari OTOH... Aren't those arbitration proceedings still taking place? I thought it was just that the process took a long time... Cheers Graham
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F2004: 15 of 17* 25 February 2005 18:44:28 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:44:01 +0000, Phil Newnham <pnewnhamat@yahoodot.com> wrote:>Harold Adrian Russell Philby wrote:>> McLaren at the forefront wasn't the desired end, and two-race engines>> aren't an execrable means?> Ah, so if Ferrari are at the front in Melbourne, it will be because they >made the best efforts over the winter, but if McLaren are at the front, >it will be because it's easier for them to turn an unreliable 1 race >engine into a powerful, reliable 2 race engine? As opposed to Ferrari >turning their already bulletproof 1 race engine into a similarly >bulletproof 2 race engine? Yes, I can see exactly how the rule clearly >and unfairly favours McLaren. ...You're babbling, lady.
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