Thursday, 22 May 2008
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| 2008 - 06 - MON - Practice 2 Brian Lawrence 18:35:05 |
| | Monaco Grand Prix
Second Practice - Thursday 22 May 2008 - 14:00-15:30
## Driver Team Time Lps Gap %Gap Km/hr mph
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22 L Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1'15.140 40 0.000 0.000 160.021 99.433
7 N Rosberg Williams-Toyota 1'15.533 39 0.393 0.523 159.189 98.915
1 K RÄikkÆnen Ferrari 1'15.572 42 0.432 0.575 159.107 98.864
2 F Massa Ferrari 1'15.869 37 0.729 0.970 158.484 98.477
23 H Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 1'15.881 39 0.741 0.986 158.459 98.462
4 R Kubica BMW Sauber-BMW 1'16.296 34 1.156 1.538 157.597 97.926
5 F Alonso Renault 1'16.310 27 1.170 1.557 157.568 97.908
16 J Button Honda 1'16.351 45 1.211 1.612 157.483 97.855
8 K Nakajima Williams-Toyota 1'16.372 40 1.232 1.640 157.440 97.829
17 R Barrichello Honda 1'16.418 32 1.278 1.701 157.345 97.770
3 N Heidfeld BMW Sauber-BMW 1'16.426 44 1.286 1.711 157.329 97.759
12 T Glock Toyota 1'16.688 46 1.548 2.060 156.791 97.425
10 M Webber Red Bull-Renault 1'17.094 39 1.954 2.600 155.965 96.912
9 D Coulthard Red Bull-Renault 1'17.131 39 1.991 2.650 155.891 96.866
6 N Piquet Renault 1'17.246 35 2.106 2.803 155.659 96.722
21 G Fisichella Force India-Ferrari 1'17.251 33 2.111 2.809 155.648 96.715
11 J Trulli Toyota 1'17.379 28 2.239 2.980 155.391 96.555
14 S Bourdais T Rosso-Ferrari 1'17.581 38 2.441 3.249 154.986 96.304
20 A Sutil Force India-Ferrari 1'18.176 31 3.036 4.040 153.807 95.571
15 S Vettel T Rosso-Ferrari 1'18.225 38 3.085 4.106 153.710 95.511
Weather: Air 20, Track 28, Humidity 59%, Wind 0.9 mps, Dry
Notes: Session red flagged from 15:05 to 15:08 to clear debris after Fernando
Alonso glanced a barrier, losing his rear wing. Bourdais and Vettel are using
the new STR03.
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Brian Lawrence
Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com
Wantage, Oxfordshire, UK
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| 2008 - 06 - MON - Practice 1 Brian Lawrence 17:30:07 |
| | Apologies for formatting - I've 'upgraded' from OE to WLM and it won't recognise by font
settings!
Monaco Grand Prix
First Practice - Thursday 22 May 2008 - 10:00-11:30
## Driver Team Time Lps Gap %Gap Km/hr mph
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1 K RÄikkÆnen Ferrari 1'15.948 26 0.000 0.000 158.319 98.375
22 L Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1'16.216 27 0.268 0.353 157.762 98.029
23 H Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 1'16.248 28 0.300 0.395 157.696 97.988
2 F Massa Ferrari 1'16.292 26 0.344 0.453 157.605 97.931
7 N Rosberg Williams-Toyota 1'16.653 27 0.705 0.928 156.863 97.470
4 R Kubica BMW Sauber-BMW 1'16.834 23 0.886 1.167 156.493 97.240
5 F Alonso Renault 1'17.498 25 1.550 2.041 155.152 96.407
17 R Barrichello Honda 1'17.511 26 1.563 2.058 155.126 96.391
10 M Webber Red Bull-Renault 1'17.798 23 1.850 2.436 154.554 96.035
21 G Fisichella Force India-Ferrari 1'17.835 26 1.887 2.485 154.481 95.990
12 T Glock Toyota 1'17.942 26 1.994 2.625 154.269 95.858
16 J Button Honda 1'18.153 26 2.205 2.903 153.852 95.599
14 S Bourdais T Rosso-Ferrari 1'18.245 30 2.297 3.024 153.671 95.487
3 N Heidfeld BMW Sauber-BMW 1'18.263 13 2.315 3.048 153.636 95.465
8 K Nakajima Williams-Toyota 1'18.274 28 2.326 3.063 153.614 95.451
11 J Trulli Toyota 1'18.360 16 2.412 3.176 153.446 95.347
20 A Sutil Force India-Ferrari 1'18.360 25 2.412 3.176 153.446 95.347
6 N Piquet Renault 1'18.955 32 3.007 3.959 152.289 94.628
15 S Vettel T Rosso-Ferrari 1'19.176 35 3.228 4.250 151.864 94.364
9 D Coulthard Red Bull-Renault No time 3
Weather: Air 20, Track 25, Humidity 67%, Wind 1.2 mps, Dry
Notes: The session was red flagged from 10:53 to 11:09 while a loose drainage
cover was fixed. Toyota's Jarno Trulli broke his suspension against the barrier
and was unable to take any further part in the session. BMW's Nick Heidfeld also
came to a halt and had to sit out the rest of the session. David Coulthard was
unable to complete a single timed lap after his Red Bull coasted to a halt
very early in the session.
Note: I won't be able to provide any stats for a while after today, but will catch up with
everything later.
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Brian Lawrence
Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com
Wantage, Oxfordshire, UK
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| Passing: Why One, Not Other Keith Crossley 13:15:08 |
| | Watching the Turkish GP.
We've all heard how impossible it is to pass in current F1 cars.
How is it that Kovaleinen cannot pass Sutil, yet Hamilton swiftly executes a
pass on (a far more formidable, one would think) Massa?
Keith
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Tuesday, 20 May 2008
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| (very tenuous F1 content) Indy Qualifying Keith Crossley 13:40:04 |
| | I just have to observe that it is most pleasing that the Indy field includes
two Yorkshiremen - Darren Manning and (former F1 driver) Justin Wilson.
Keith
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Wednesday, 14 May 2008
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| Driver Rankings - After Istanbul Park (includes all-time Top 60) Brian Lawrence 15:10:07 |
| | All-time Top 60
I've added this list at the bottom, below the four main lists.
Numbers in brackets () in second column indicate table positions before
adding the most recent GP (IE the change in table position).
GPs - number of GPs counted for each driver (from the last 100)
[-1] [+1], etc. - number of GPs deleted/added to driver's record since
the last event
PP - number of Pole Positions (in the last 100)
W - number of Wins (in the last 100)
FL - number of Fastest Laps (in the last 100)
Points - these are 'my' points, allocated for many & various things, not
just wins, poles, f.laps, etc.
[Change] - the change in points after adding the most recent GP data
** - current drivers
The Last 100 GPs (~5 years)
===========================
First race (GP #1) - French GP, 21 July 2002
Last race (GP #100) - Turkish GP, 11 May 2008
Headlines
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Felipe Massa moves up to third at the expense of Michael Schumacher.
Robert Kubica moves ahead of Takuma Sato to rank 15th.
Driver GPs [Ch] PP W FL Points [Change]
===================================================================
1 Fernando Alonso 92 [+1] 17 19 11 5400.26 [-50.07] **
2 Kimi RÄikkÆnen 99 15 17 26 5156.82 [-43.49] **
3 (4) Felipe Massa 81 11 7 8 3994.18 [+203.47] **
4 (3) Michael Schumacher 78 [-1] 22 31 29 3886.00 [-112.97]
5 Lewis Hamilton 22 [+1] 7 5 2 2509.41 [+68.77] **
6 Rubens Barrichello 98 8 7 9 2003.87 [-33.73] **
7 Giancarlo Fisichella 97 2 3 1 1938.90 [-33.94] **
8 Jenson Button 95 3 1 - 1773.62 [-11.96] **
9 Nick Heidfeld 94 1 - 1 1704.12 [+16.74] **
10 Jarno Trulli 98 2 1 - 1498.12 [-7.77] **
11 Juan Pablo Montoya 64 [-1] 5 6 6 1441.42 [-45.04]
12 Ralf Schumacher 86 [-1] 4 2 2 1327.69 [-34.38]
13 David Coulthard 99 - 1 1 1248.37 [-4.32] **
14 Mark Webber 99 - - - 1156.30 [+13.01] **
15 (16) Robert Kubica 26 [+1] 1 - - 978.04 [+40.91] **
16 (15) Takuma Sato 77 [-1] - - - 950.44 [-17.89]
17 Nico Rosberg 40 [+1] - - 1 774.61 [+20.88] **
18 Heikki Kovalainen 22 [+1] - - 2 768.38 [+43.10] **
19 Vitantonio Liuzzi 39 - - - 552.19 [-7.35]
20 Christijan Albers 45 - - - 522.42 [-8.18]
21 Jacques Villeneuve 54 [-1] - - - 475.25 [-12.04]
22 Christian Klien 46 - - - 462.70 [-9.39]
23 Tiago Monteiro 36 - - - 453.97 [-7.83]
24 Alexander Wurz 17 - - - 369.94 [-4.57]
25 Scott Speed 28 - - - 351.53 [-4.80]
26 Anthony Davidson 24 - - - 339.03 [-4.08]
27 Adrian Sutil 22 [+1] - - - 313.03 [+21.05] **
28 Pedro de la Rosa 16 [-1] - - 1 236.02 [-4.56]
29 (30) Sebastian Vettel 13 [+1] - - - 213.93 [+22.23] **
30 (29) Narain Karthikeyan 19 - - - 196.07 [-3.83]
31 Sakon Yamamoto 14 - - - 185.60 [-2.17]
32 Olivier Panis 39 [-1] - - - 161.37 [-7.93]
33 (34) Kazuki Nakajima 6 [+1] - - - 146.22 [+1.49] **
34 (33) Robert Doornbos 11 - - - 143.62 [-2.28]
35 (38) Timo Glock 9 [+1] - - - 127.47 [+22.62] **
36 (35) Cristiano da Matta 27 - - - 121.60 [-5.93]
37 (36) Antonio Pizzonia 20 - - - 115.76 [-3.79]
38 (37) Zsolt Baumgartner 20 - - - 114.10 [-3.59]
39 Gianmaria Bruni 18 - - - 91.75 [-2.79]
40 Patrick Friesacher 11 - - - 82.01 [-1.72]
41 (44) Nelson Piquet 5 [+1] - - - 77.03 [+23.76] **
42 SÈbastien Bourdais 5 [+1] - - - 73.21 [+8.87] **
43 (41) Giorgio Pantano 14 - - - 62.65 [-2.07]
44 (43) Franck Montagny 7 - - - 60.61 [-0.89]
45 H-Harald Frentzen 17 [-1] - - - 49.30 [-3.48]
46 Jos Verstappen 16 - - - 43.55 [-2.76]
47 Justin Wilson 16 - - - 39.30 [-2.42]
48 Ralph Firman 14 - - - 35.20 [-2.34]
49 (50) Yuji Ide 4 - - - 35.19 [-0.57]
50 (49) Ricardo Zonta 5 - - - 35.07 [-0.91]
51 Marc GenÈ 3 - - - 25.00 [-0.91]
52 Nicholas Kiesa 5 - - - 23.55 [-1.12]
53 Markus Winkelhock 1 - - - 11.22 [-0.12]
54 Eddie Irvine 7 [-1] - - - 7.83 [-1.83]
55 Mika Salo 7 [-1] - - - 6.78 [-1.67]
56 Alan McNish 6 [-1] - - - 3.38 [-1.02]
57 Alex Yoong 4 - - - 2.49 [-0.62]
58 Enrique Bernoldi 1 [-1] - - - 0.27 [-0.24]
Fifty eight drivers have driven in the last 100 GPs.
The last 156 weeks (3 years)
============================
First race (GP #1) - Monaco GP, 22 May 2005
Last race (GP #53) - Turkish GP, 11 May 2008
Headlines
=========
Kubica moves ahead of Ralf Schumacher to 11th - possibly moving into the
top 10 after Monaco. Jarno Trulli's points total drops below 1000.
Driver GPs PP W FL Points [Change]
==================================================================
1 Fernando Alonso 53 [-1] 12 15 9 4602.29 [-151.71] **
2 Kimi RÄikkÆnen 53 [-1] 10 14 20 4417.85 [-191.75] **
3 Felipe Massa 52 [-1] 11 7 8 3794.08 [+188.74] **
4 Lewis Hamilton 22 [+1] 7 5 2 2509.41 [+68.77] **
5 Michael Schumacher 32 [-2] 5 8 9 2228.38 [-91.26]
6 Giancarlo Fisichella 52 [-1] 1 1 - 1560.08 [-54.79] **
7 Nick Heidfeld 48 [-1] 1 - 1 1461.78 [-1.73] **
8 Jenson Button 52 [+1] 2 1 - 1340.51 [+5.11] **
9 Rubens Barrichello 53 [-1] - - - 1050.53 [-4.92] **
10 Jarno Trulli 53 [-1] - - - 988.24 [-37.34] **
11 (12) Robert Kubica 26 [+1] 1 - - 978.04 [+40.91] **
12 (11) Ralf Schumacher 48 [-2] 1 - 1 932.74 [-48.05]
13 David Coulthard 53 [-1] - - - 901.90 [-11.66] **
14 Mark Webber 53 [-1] - - - 888.87 [-22.88] **
15 Juan Pablo Montoya 22 [-1] 2 3 1 834.55 [-30.52]
16 Nico Rosberg 40 [+1] - - 1 774.61 [+20.88] **
17 (18) Heikki Kovalainen 22 [+1] - - 2 768.38 [+43.10] **
18 (17) Takuma Sato 49 - - - 737.56 [-9.85]
19 Vitantonio Liuzzi 37 [-2] - - - 536.99 [-22.55]
20 Christijan Albers 40 [-2] - - - 492.90 [-14.44]
27 Adrian Sutil 22 [+1] - - - 313.03 [+21.05] **
28 (29) Sebastian Vettel 13 [+1] - - - 213.93 [+22.23] **
32 (33) Kazuki Nakajima 6 [+1] - - - 146.22 [+1.49] **
34 Timo Glock 5 [+1] - - - 89.47 [+23.63] **
35 (38) Nelson Piquet 5 [+1] - - - 77.03 [+23.76] **
36 (35) SÈbastien Bourdais 5 [+1] - - - 73.21 [+8.87] **
Forty one drivers have driven in the last three years (156 weeks).
The last 104 weeks (2 years)
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First race (GP #1) - Spanish GP, 14 May 2006
Last race (GP #35) - Turkish GP, 11 May 2008
Headlines
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Felipe Massa's Istanbul win moves him ahead of Fernando Alonso into the
#1 position. Kubica overtakes Fisichella to lie 7th. Heikki Kovalainen
moves into the top 10 for the first time. Jarno Trulli falls out of the
top 10. Fisichella's points total drops below 1000.
Driver GPs PP W FL Points [Change]
==================================================================
1 (2) Felipe Massa 34 [-1] 11 7 8 3488.55 [+142.81] **
2 (1) Fernando Alonso 35 [-1] 7 9 6 3233.68 [-200.64] **
3 Kimi RÄikkÆnen 35 [-1] 7 8 10 3188.35 [-59.20] **
4 Lewis Hamilton 22 [+1] 7 5 2 2509.41 [+68.77] **
5 Michael Schumacher 13 [-2] 2 5 6 1331.34 [-319.47]
6 Nick Heidfeld 35 [-1] - - 1 1191.58 [+1.29] **
7 (8) Robert Kubica 26 [ 1] 1 - - 978.04 [+40.91] **
8 (7) Giancarlo Fisichella 34 [-1] - - - 958.37 [-54.79] **
9 Jenson Button 35 [-1] - 1 - 796.65 [-31.56] **
10 (11) Heikki Kovalainen 22 [+1] - - 2 768.38 [+43.10] **
11 (10) Jarno Trulli 35 [-1] - - - 734.10 [-2.28] **
12 Nico Rosberg 35 [-1] - - - 695.29 [-16.29] **
13 (14) David Coulthard 35 [-1] - - - 689.27 [+4.70] **
14 (13) Rubens Barrichello 34 [-1] - - - 676.62 [-29.14] **
15 Mark Webber 35 [-1] - - - 617.14 [-1.35] **
16 Takuma Sato 33 [-2] - - - 555.43 [-25.54]
17 Ralf Schumacher 30 [-2] - - - 514.20 [-33.04]
18 Vitantonio Liuzzi 30 [-2] - - - 465.26 [-22.96]
19 Alexander Wurz 16 - - - 342.89 [-3.97]
20 Anthony Davidson 21 - - - 336.90 [-3.82]
21 (23) Adrian Sutil 22 [+1] - - - 313.03 [+21.05] **
24 (25) Sebastian Vettel 13 [+1] - - - 213.93 [+22.23] **
27 (29) Kazuki Nakajima 6 [+1] - - - 146.22 [+1.49] **
32 Timo Glock 5 [+1] - - - 89.47 [+23.63] **
33 (36) Nelson Piquet 5 [+1] - - - 77.03 [+23.76] **
34 (33) SÈbastien Bourdais 5 [+1] - - - 73.21 [+8.87] **
Thirty seven drivers have driven in the last two years (104 weeks). Since the
last event Yuji Ide has dropped off the list.
The last 52 weeks (1 year)
==========================
First race (GP #1) - Spanish GP, 13 May 2007
Last race (GP #19) - Turkish GP, 11 May 2008
Headlines
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Felipe Massa's win allows him to overtake Kimi RÄikkÆnen and move into
second place. Mark Webber moves into the top 10 while Fisichella moves
out of it.
Driver GPs PP W FL Points [Change]
==================================================================
1 Lewis Hamilton 19 [-1] 7 5 1 2282.26 [-111.97] **
2 (3) Felipe Massa 18 [-1] 6 4 5 2123.98 [-148.47] **
3 (2) Kimi RÄikkÆnen 19 [-1] 3 7 7 2092.56 [-200.58] **
4 Fernando Alonso 19 [-1] 2 3 3 1597.44 [-186.56] **
5 Nick Heidfeld 19 [-1] - - 1 810.40 [-46.26] **
6 Robert Kubica 18 [-1] 1 - - 796.23 [-9.23] **
7 Heikki Kovalainen 19 [-1] - - 2 710.77 [-0.17] **
8 Nico Rosberg 19 [-1] - - - 509.58 [-7.41] **
9 Jarno Trulli 19 [-1] - - - 416.50 [-36.65] **
10 (11) Mark Webber 19 [-1] - - - 414.80 [-0.44] **
11 (12) David Coulthard 19 [-1] - - - 410.06 [-1.03] **
12 (10) Giancarlo Fisichella 18 [-1] - - - 373.84 [-58.37] **
13 Takuma Sato 18 [-2] - - - 363.78 [-33.72]
14 (15) Jenson Button 19 [-1] - - - 352.35 [-1.01] **
15 (14) Rubens Barrichello 18 [-1] - - - 348.32 [-18.51] **
16 Alexander Wurz 13 [-2] - - - 295.19 [-42.83]
17 Anthony Davidson 18 [-2] - - - 285.30 [-41.22]
18 (19) Adrian Sutil 19 [-1] - - - 278.13 [+0.35] **
19 (18) Ralf Schumacher 14 [-2] - - - 239.02 [-41.91]
20 Vitantonio Liuzzi 14 [-2] - - - 224.32 [-30.31]
21 Sebastian Vettel 13 [+1] - - - 213.93 [+22.23] **
22 Kazuki Nakajima 6 [+1] - - - 146.22 [+1.49] **
25 (26) Timo Glock 5 [+1] - - - 89.47 [+23.63] **
26 (28) Nelson Piquet 5 [+1] - - - 77.03 [+23.76] **
27 SÈbastien Bourdais 5 [+1] - - - 73.21 [+8.87] **
Twenty nine drivers have driven in the last year (52 weeks).
All-time Top 60
I posted a Top 50 after the Spanish GP and I've since done some more work
towards completing the gathering of all data. This allows me to expand the
list to a Top 60 - this is useful since it 'catches' Keke Rosberg, the
only WDC who didn't make the Top 50.
Last time I had reduced the averages for drivers with a limited number of
starts. I had reduced the average to 25% for drivers with between one and
10 starts; to 50% for those between 11 and 20 starts; and to 75% for those
between 21 and 30 starts. A more satisfactory method seemed to be based
on the number of starts in the three seasons at the beginning of a career.
Two examples. Wolfgang von Trips comes into the top 50 even though he only
had 27 valid starts. His first 3 seasons were 1957/58/59 when there were
7/10/8 events - he would have stepped up from 25% after 7 events, to 75%
after 17 events, and to 100% after 25. So he rates 100%.
Lewis Hamilton began in 2007 when there were 17 events (25%); this year
there are 18 (50%), and next year? (75% after 35). Only in 2010 will he
be at 100% - unless he misses a lot of races. The steps would stay at
whatever the numbers were in 2007/08/09.
Making this change affects four drivers:
Hamilton falls from 10 to 22
Gonzalez moves up from 22 to 12
Von Trips comes back into the top 50 at #28
Musso comes back into the top 50 at #49
In completing the data for the late 'eighties and early 'nineties I
discovered a few minor errors. In most cases an additional race or
two was added. However, these were all races where the drivers did
not score highly and so the effect is to reduce their averages
slightly. The drivers affected were Michael Schumacher, HÄkkinen,
Lauda, Scheckter, Andretti, Berger, Arnoux and Barrichello. All of
these maintain their positions in the table. In addition Mario
Andretti dropped enough to fall below Coulthard and Rene Arnoux to
drop below Regazzoni.
I've also removed Alberto Ascari's 1952 Indianapolis 500 start from
the data. It clearly should not be there since I'm ignoring all the
Indy 500s. Reducing his race total from 32 to 31 while removing only
a few points increases his average quite a lot.
Finally, adding the data for the Turkish GP affects the current
drivers. Felipe Massa's average goes up enough to move him ahead of
Jochen Rindt, while all the others suffer a slight fall in average -
Alonso, RÄikkÆnen, Hamilton, Coulthard and Barrichello.
Current drivers are indicated by a '*'. Their averages are volatile and
may fluctuate wildly.
Drivers with a limited number of starts are indicated by '%1', '%2' or
'%3' showing those with 25%, 50% and 75% of their respective averages.
Laps Laps Total Race
GPs PP W FL Led Raced Points Avg. WDC
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1. Juan Manuel Fangio 51 30 23 23 1348 3031 9707 190.33 5
2. Alberto Ascari 31 14 13 13 925 1650 5455 175.98 2
3. Jim Clark 72 33 25 28 1943 3923 10622 147.53 2
4. Michael Schumacher 246 67 91 76 4996 13788 31350 127.44 7
5. Ayrton Senna 158 63 41 20 2967 8054 18243 115.46 3
6. Stirling Moss 64 16 16 18 1181 3304 6666 104.15 0
7. Giuseppe Farina 33 5 5 5 338 1827 3427 103.83 1
8. Jackie Stewart 99 17 27 15 1921 5216 9875 99.75 3
9. Alain Prost 198 33 51 41 2680 10485 19547 98.72 4
10. Damon Hill 114 20 22 19 1358 5778 9747 85.50 1
11. Fernando Alonso * 108 17 19 11 1159 6032 8979 83.14 2
12. Froilan GonzÀlez %3 26 3 2 6 272 1273 2058 79.15 0
13. Nigel Mansell 185 32 31 29 2077 8705 13827 74.74 1
14. Kimi RÄikkÆnen * 125 15 17 27 949 6284 9142 73.14 1
15. Mike Hawthorn 44 4 3 6 223 2341 3165 71.92 1
16. Mika HÄkkinen 160 25 20 25 1479 7654 11277 70.48 2
17. Juan Pablo Montoya 91 13 7 12 595 4726 6219 68.34 0
18. Niki Lauda 167 24 25 24 1592 8033 11167 66.87 3
19. Nelson Piquet 202 24 23 23 1566 9773 12809 63.41 3
20. Jack Brabham 125 13 14 12 818 6109 7765 62.12 3
21. Phil Hill 48 6 3 6 171 2413 2958 61.62 1
22. Lewis Hamilton %3 * 22 7 5 2 383 1331 2656 60.36 0
23. James Hunt 92 14 10 8 634 3890 5385 58.53 1
24. Tony Brooks 38 3 6 3 133 1601 2216 58.30 0
25. Felipe Massa * 91 11 7 8 562 4980 5286 58.09 0
26. Jochen Rindt 60 10 6 3 387 2516 3384 56.40 1
27. Jacky Ickx 115 13 8 14 529 5646 6174 53.69 0
28. Wolfgang von Trips 27 1 2 0 156 1341 1448 53.61 0
29. Jody Scheckter 111 3 10 5 675 6034 5778 52.06 1
30. Ronnie Peterson 123 14 10 9 704 5686 6282 51.08 0
31. Carlos Reutemann 144 6 12 6 645 6943 7322 50.84 0
32. Graham Hill 176 13 14 10 1102 8759 8888 50.50 2
33. Denny Hulme 112 1 8 9 435 6231 5642 50.38 1
34. David Coulthard * 232 12 13 18 896 11760 11618 50.08 0
35. Mario Andretti 127 18 12 10 798 5273 6318 49.75 1
36. Gilles Villeneuve 65 2 6 8 534 3186 3220 49.55 0
37. Alan Jones 116 6 12 13 589 5565 5672 48.90 1
38. Richie Ginther 52 0 1 3 116 2930 2518 48.42 0
39. John Surtees 111 8 6 11 308 4977 5262 47.41 1
40. Gerhard Berger 210 12 10 21 692 9783 9871 47.00 0
41. Emerson Fittipaldi 144 6 14 6 478 7285 6662 46.26 2
42. Clay Regazzoni 132 5 5 15 360 6596 6034 45.71 0
43. RenÈ Arnoux 149 18 7 12 506 6613 6757 45.35 0
44. Peter Revson 30 1 2 0 63 1565 1354 45.14 0
45. Rubens Barrichello * 252 13 9 15 734 12735 11289 44.80 0
46. Jacques Villeneuve 161 12 11 9 627 8180 7211 44.79 1
47. Dan Gurney 86 3 4 6 200 3673 3756 43.68 0
48. Peter Collins 32 0 3 0 127 1400 1372 42.87 0
49. Luigi Musso 24 0 1 1 6 1136 1000 41.68 0
50. Didier Pironi 69 3 3 5 295 3352 2850 41.31 0
51. FranÃois Cevert 46 0 1 2 129 2369 1892 41.14 0
52. Lorenzo Bandini 42 1 1 2 143 2260 1702 40.52 0
53. Luigi Villoresi 31 0 0 1 2 1533 1253 40.41 0
54. Bruce McLaren 101 0 4 3 41 5092 4031 39.91 0
55. Ralf Schumacher 180 5 6 8 358 9138 7136 39.65 0
56. Piero Taruffi %3 18 0 1 1 46 793 933 38.87 0
57. Keke Rosberg 112 4 5 3 510 5178 4250 37.95 1
58. Luigi Fagioli %2 7 0 1 0 8 351 515 36.77 0
59. Patrick Depailler 95 1 2 4 164 4635 3426 36.06 0
60. Jacques Laffite 173 7 6 6 283 7970 6228 36.00 0
Note that only one driver in the Top 60 has no race wins - Luigi Villoresi
(53rd). 'Gigi' drove from 1950-56, mostly for Ferrari, with eight podiums.
He also drove Lancias and Maseratis. His elder brother, Emilio, was also
a racing driver. Emilio was nicknamed 'Mimi' 
--
Brian W Lawrence
Wantage,
Oxfordshire, UK
Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com
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Monday, 12 May 2008
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| Best Lap of the Weekend - Istanbul Park Brian Lawrence 22:05:02 |
| | These are the fastest laps set by each driver over the whole event.
Team Driver Sess Time
============================================
Ferrari Massa Q1 1'25.994
Ferrari RÄikkÆnen Q2 1'26.050
BMW Sauber-BMW Kubica Q2 1'26.129
McLaren-Mercedes Hamilton Q1 1'26.192
McLaren-Mercedes Kovalainen Q2 1'26.290
Red Bull-Renault Webber Q2 1'26.466
Red Bull-Renault Coulthard Q2 1'26.520
Renault Alonso Q2 1'26.522
BMW Sauber-BMW Heidfeld Q2 1'26.607
Toyota Glock Q1 1'26.614
Toyota Trulli Q1 1'26.695
Williams-Toyota Rosberg Q2 1'27.012
Honda Barrichello Q2 1'27.219
Honda Button Q2 1'27.298
T Rosso-Ferrari Vettel Q2 1'27.412
Williams-Toyota Nakajima Q1 1'27.547
Renault Piquet Q1 1'27.568
T Rosso-Ferrari Bourdais Q1 1'27.621
F India-Ferrari Fisichella Q1 1'27.807
F India-Ferrari Sutil Q1 1'28.325
How does the fastest lap of the whole weekend (3 practice sessions, 3 qualifying
segments and the race) compare to the fastest lap of the weekend in 2007?
Here are two tables - one compares driver with driver; easy enough if the same
driver remains in the same team. If not, compare the 2007 driver with the guy
who replaced him.
'S' is the session when the best lap was achieved (P1/P2/P3/Q1/Q2/Q3/R)
'Lps' are the total laps in all sessions (2007 excludes any third drivers)
'Diff' is the gain/loss in seconds
'%Diff' is the difference in time as a percentage of the 2007 time
A negative Diff/%Diff mean that the driver/team improved. Positive means they
got worse.
There can be several reasons for the variations seen.
Apologies if the tables wrap - save it and reformat if you are interested.
Note: Spyker-Ferrari was renamed to Force India-Ferrari, all other team names remain
the same.
2007 Team 2007 Driver S Lps Time 2008 Driver S Lps Time Diff.
%Diff
=========================================================================================
Spyker-Ferrari Yamamoto P3 151 1'30.712 Fisichella Q1 86
1'27.807 -2.905 -3.20
T Rosso-Ferrari Vettel P3 120 1'29.408 Vettel Q2 141
1'27.412 -1.996 -2.23
Toyota Schumacher P3 131 1'28.481 Glock Q1 139
1'26.614 -1.867 -2.11
Red Bull-Renault Coulthard Q2 119 1'28.100 Coulthard Q2 126
1'26.520 -1.580 -1.79
Red Bull-Renault Webber Q2 83 1'28.013 Webber Q2 116
1'26.466 -1.547 -1.76
Spyker-Ferrari Sutil Q1 147 1'29.861 Sutil Q1 117
1'28.325 -1.536 -1.71
Renault Fisichella Q2 149 1'27.880 Alonso Q2 131
1'26.522 -1.358 -1.55
T Rosso-Ferrari Liuzzi Q1 131 1'28.798 Bourdais Q1 100
1'27.621 -1.177 -1.33
BMW Sauber-BMW Kubica Q2 150 1'27.253 Kubica Q2 127
1'26.129 -1.124 -1.29
Toyota Trulli Q2 156 1'27.801 Trulli Q1 146
1'26.695 -1.106 -1.26
Ferrari Massa Q2 136 1'27.039 Massa Q1 132
1'25.994 -1.045 -1.20
Honda Barrichello Q2 143 1'28.188 Barrichello Q2 117
1'27.219 -0.969 -1.10
Honda Button Q2 128 1'28.220 Button Q2 127
1'27.298 -0.922 -1.05
Ferrari RÄikkÆnen Q2 135 1'26.902 RÄikkÆnen Q2 122
1'26.050 -0.852 -0.98
Williams-Toyota Wurz Q1 127 1'28.360 Nakajima Q1 70
1'27.547 -0.813 -0.92
McLaren-Mercedes Hamilton Q2 125 1'26.936 Hamilton Q1 137
1'26.192 -0.744 -0.86
Williams-Toyota Rosberg Q2 144 1'27.750 Rosberg Q2 136
1'27.012 -0.738 -0.84
BMW Sauber-BMW Heidfeld Q2 143 1'27.253 Heidfeld Q2 149
1'26.607 -0.646 -0.74
McLaren-Mercedes Alonso Q2 132 1'26.841 Kovalainen Q2 130
1'26.290 -0.551 -0.63
Renault Kovalainen Q2 146 1'27.784 Piquet Q1 127
1'27.568 -0.216 -0.25
S Aguri-Honda Davidson Q2 126 1'28.002
S Aguri-Honda Sato Q1 121 1'28.953
Notes
=====
Once again Fisichella tops the table, gaining nearly 3s on last year. All 20
remaining driver combinations improved their best times.
The second table takes the best lap time from both drivers in each team and compares
with the equivalent team last season. Probably a better comparison.
2007 Team 2007 Driver S Lps Time 2008 Driver S Lps Time Diff.
%Diff
========================================================================================
Spyker-Ferrari Sutil Q1 298 1'29.861 Fisichella Q1 203
1'27.807 -2.054 -2.29
Red Bull-Renault Webber Q2 202 1'28.013 Webber Q2 242
1'26.466 -1.547 -1.76
T Rosso-Ferrari Liuzzi Q1 251 1'28.798 Vettel Q2 241
1'27.412 -1.386 -1.56
Renault Kovalainen Q2 295 1'27.784 Alonso Q2 258
1'26.522 -1.262 -1.44
Toyota Trulli Q2 287 1'27.801 Glock Q1 285
1'26.614 -1.187 -1.35
BMW Sauber-BMW Kubica Q2 293 1'27.253 Kubica Q2 276
1'26.129 -1.124 -1.29
Honda Barrichello Q2 271 1'28.188 Barrichello Q2 244
1'27.219 -0.969 -1.10
Ferrari RÄikkÆnen Q2 271 1'26.902 Massa Q1 254
1'25.994 -0.908 -1.04
Williams-Toyota Rosberg Q2 271 1'27.750 Rosberg Q2 206
1'27.012 -0.738 -0.84
McLaren-Mercedes Alonso Q2 257 1'26.841 Hamilton Q1 267
1'26.192 -0.649 -0.75
S Aguri-Honda Davidson Q2 126 1'28.002
Force India improved the most - 2.0s. All remaining teams improved.
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| Engine Usage After 5 Events - Istanbul Park Brian Lawrence 15:55:04 |
| | E# - Number of engines used by driver/team/engine supplier in 2008
Km. - Distance covered in practice/qualifying/race in 2008
Avg. - Average distance per engine in 2008
NENGP - New Engine at Next GP
FCNGP - "Free" engine Change at Next GP
Averages in [] indicate that the driver/team/engine supplier is halfway
through a two-race cycle.
All data from the FIA website and/or FORIX.
C# Driver(s) Engine E# Km. Avg. Next
==================================================================
18 Takuma Sato Honda RA808E 2 1,548 [774] -----
19 Anthony Davidson Honda RA808E 2 1,145 [573] -----
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
3 Nick Heidfeld BMW P86/8 3 2,440 [813]
4 Robert Kubica BMW P86/8 3 2,342 781 NENGP
22 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes FO108V 3 2,314 [771]
11 Jarno Trulli Toyota RVX-08 3 2,267 756 NENGP
7 Nico Rosberg Toyota RVX-08 3 2,256 [752]
1 Kimi RÄikkÆnen Ferrari 056 3 2,235 745 NENGP
5 Fernando Alonso Renault RS27 3 2,183 [728]
12 Timo Glock Toyota RVX-08 3 2,112 704 NENGP
17 Rubens Barrichello Honda RA808E 3 2,104 [701]
23 Heikki Kovalainen Mercedes FO108V 3 2,075 [692]
9 David Coulthard Renault RS27 3 2,068 689 NENGP
2 Felipe Massa Ferrari 056 3 2,020 673 NENGP
10 Mark Webber Renault RS27 3 1,980 [660]
8 Kazuki Nakajima Toyota RVX-08 3 1,925 642 NENGP
16 Jenson Button Honda RA808E 3 1,855 [618]
6 Nelsinho Piquet Renault RS27 3 1,714 571 NENGP
21 G Fisichella Ferrari 056 3 1,657 [552] FCNGP
14 Sebastien Bourdais Ferrari 056 3 1,489 496 NENGP
15 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 056 3 1,321 440 NENGP
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
20 Adrian Sutil Ferrari 056 4 1,399 [350]
------------------------------------------------------------------
65 42,449 [653]
Team Engine E# Km. Avg.
==================================================
Super Aguri Honda RA808E 4 2,693 [673] -----
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
BMW Sauber BMW P86/8 6 4,782 [797]
McLaren Mercedes FO108V 6 4,389 [732]
Toyota Toyota RVX-08 6 4,379 730
Ferrari Ferrari 056 6 4,255 709
Williams Toyota RVX-08 6 4,181 [697]
Red Bull Renault RS27 6 4,048 [675]
Honda Honda RA808E 6 3,959 [660]
Renault Renault RS27 6 3,897 [650]
Toro Rosso Ferrari 056 6 2,810 468
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Force India Ferrari 056 7 3,056 [437]
--------------------------------------------------
65 42,449 [653]
Engine E# Km. Avg. Team(s)
============================================================
BMW P86/8 6 4,782 [797] BMW Sauber
Mercedes FO108V 6 4,389 [732] McLaren
Toyota RVX-08 12 8,560 [713] Toyota, Williams
Honda RA808E 10 6,652 [665] Honda, [Super Aguri]
Renault RS27 12 7,945 [662] Renault, Red Bull
Ferrari 056 19 10,121 [533] Ferrari, Toro Rosso, Force India
------------------------------------------------------------
65 42,449 [653]
Forced Engine Changes (Incurring 10-place penalty)
==================================================
Note: For 2008 the penalty is waived for the first such change of the season for
each driver. The waiver will not apply in the last event of the season. Waivers
are indicated below by a * before the car number.
GP Engine C# Team Driver When
====================================================================
01 AUS Ferrari 056 * 20 Force India A Sutil After Qual
02 MAL Ferrari 056 * 14 Toro Rosso S Bourdais After P3
Number of forced changes
========================
Ferrari 2 (both penalty free)
Honda 0
BMW 0
Mercedes 0
Renault 0
Toyota 0
--------------
2
'Free' Engine Changes (No penalty - driver failed to finish)
============================================================
GP Engine C# Team Driver
=======================================================
02 MAL Ferrari 056 1 Ferrari K RÄikkÆnen
02 MAL Ferrari 056 2 Ferrari F Massa
02 MAL BMW P86/8 4 BMW Sauber R Kubica
02 MAL Renault RS27 6 Renault N Piquet
02 MAL Renault RS27 9 Red Bull D Coulthard
02 MAL Toyota RVX-08 11 Toyota J Trulli
02 MAL Toyota RVX-08 12 Toyota T Glock
04 ESP Ferrari 056 17 Toro Rosso S Vettel
Number of 'free' changes
========================
Ferrari 3
Renault 2
Toyota 2
BMW 1
Honda 0
Mercedes 0
--------------
8
Gearbox Usage
=============
Jo Bauer's Technical Report (click on 'Scrutineering Reports' on this page):
"www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press_Information/F1/F1_Press_Information/2008/turkey.html"
says that Heidfeld, Kubica, Alonso, Rosberg, Nakajima, Webber, Barrichello,
Sutil, Hamilton and Kovalainen started the Turkish GP with new gearboxes.
All changes were permitted because they had all completed four races with
their previous 'boxes.
Timo Glock was penalised (five grid positions) in Melbourne because Toyota
changed his gearbox after P3. This remains the only forced gearbox change of
the season.
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| Top Speeds - Istanbul Park Brian Lawrence 13:20:09 |
| | I posted these comparisons throughout the 2006 & 2007 seasons to illustrate changes
in top speeds as measured
through the speed traps. In previous years
I restricted the comparison to speeds recorded during the three segments of
qualifying, since the best laps are usually recorded in those sessions. For
2008 I propose to consider the top speeds recorded in the other sessions
(free practice and the race).
The first table compares the 2007 team/driver combination with the equivalent 2008
team/driver - the same
driver if possible, otherwise the 2007 driver is
compared to his 2008 replacement. This comparison is intended as a team
comparison, but the first (driver) table is also of some interest - but
should be read with care.
Notes
All teams have retained their names except for Spyker-Ferrari which has become
Force India-Ferrari.
'S#' Session in which the top speed was recorded (P1/P2/P3/Q/R)
'Diff' difference in top speed (km/hr)
'%Dif' difference in top speed (as percentage of 2007 speed)
I don't have the speed trap data for the 2007 race (I do have all data for
practice and qualifying).
Turkish GP 2007/08
2007 2008
Team-Engine Driver S# km/h Driver S# km/h Dif. %Dif.
========================================================================
Ferrari RÄikkÆnen Q3 319.1 RÄikkÆnen R 323.9 +4.8 +1.50
Ferrari Massa Q1 319.5 Massa R 323.9 +4.4 +1.38
Red Bull-Renault Webber Q1 313.3 Webber P3 316.8 +3.5 +1.12
Red Bull-Renault Coulthard P3 313.4 Coulthard R 315.3 +1.9 +0.61
Spyker-Ferrari Sutil Q1 312.0 Sutil R 313.8 +1.8 +0.58
Williams-Toyota Rosberg Q1 319.3 Rosberg R 320.9 +1.6 +0.50
Toyota Schumacher Q1 318.7 Glock R 320.1 +1.4 +0.44
McLaren-Mercedes Hamilton Q1 322.0 Hamilton R 322.4 +0.4 +0.12
Williams-Toyota Wurz Q2 319.4 Nakajima P2 318.0 -1.4 -0.44
Spyker-Ferrari Yamamoto Q1 312.2 Fisichella Q1 310.7 -1.5 -0.48
McLaren-Mercedes Alonso Q2 323.9 Kovalainen R 322.1 -1.8 -0.56
Toyota Trulli Q1 321.3 Trulli R 318.5 -2.8 -0.87
Honda Button Q1 316.3 Button R 312.4 -3.9 -1.23
BMW Sauber-BMW Kubica Q1 320.1 Kubica R 316.1 -4.0 -1.25
Renault Fisichella Q1 319.7 Alonso R 315.6 -4.1 -1.28
Renault Kovalainen Q2 319.9 Piquet R 315.5 -4.4 -1.38
T Rosso-Ferrari Vettel Q1 315.9 Vettel P3 311.5 -4.4 -1.39
Honda Barrichello Q1 316.8 Barrichello P3 312.3 -4.5 -1.42
T Rosso-Ferrari Liuzzi Q1 316.9 Bourdais R 311.6 -5.3 -1.67
BMW Sauber-BMW Heidfeld Q2 319.3 Heidfeld R 313.7 -5.6 -1.75
S Aguri-Honda Davidson Q2 316.9
S Aguri-Honda Sato Q1 317.1
Only eight driver combinations went faster, while twelve were slower.
Note that 15 drivers set their top speed during the race - probably because
the wind was weaker on Sunday than on Friday & Saturday.
The second table compares the best speed achieved by each team (IE the top
speed of both drivers), and as such is a better comparison.
2007 2008
Team-Engine Driver S# km/h Driver S# km/h Dif. %Dif.
========================================================================
Ferrari Massa Q1 319.5 Massa R 323.9 +4.4 +1.38
Red Bull-Renault Coulthard P3 313.4 Webber P3 316.8 +3.4 +1.08
Williams-Toyota Wurz Q2 319.4 Rosberg R 320.9 +1.5 +0.47
Toyota Trulli Q1 321.3 Glock R 320.1 -1.2 -0.37
McLaren-Mercedes Alonso Q2 323.9 Hamilton R 322.4 -1.5 -0.46
Spyker-Ferrari Yamamoto Q1 312.2 Fisichella Q1 310.7 -1.5 -0.48
BMW Sauber-BMW Kubica Q1 320.1 Kubica R 316.1 -4.0 -1.25
Renault Kovalainen Q2 319.9 Alonso R 315.6 -4.3 -1.34
Honda Barrichello Q1 316.8 Button R 312.4 -4.4 -1.39
T Rosso-Ferrari Liuzzi Q1 316.9 Bourdais R 311.6 -5.3 -1.67
S Aguri-Honda Sato Q1 317.1
Only Ferrari, Red Bull and Williams were faster.
All data from www.formula1.com
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| UK video alert - Girl Racer - Diva TV Gobrien 20:25:05 |
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Girl Racer is a motor racing TV documentary series on Diva TV if you
have that channel
(e.g. channel 192 on Virgin Cable).
More info - times, dates it's shown every week etc, click here;
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| Qualifying Statistics #5 - Istanbul Park Brian Lawrence 14:05:04 |
| | Average Starting Position 2008 - after Istanbul Park, Qualifying #5
===================================================================
2008 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003
Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP
==================================================================================
1. 2.20 (-0.30) F Massa 4 4.24 2 6.67 17 11.89 18 13.50 - -
2. 3.20 (+0.45) R Kubica 6 7.00 9 8.83 - - - - - -
3. 4.20 (-0.30) L Hamilton 1 2.59 - - - - - - - -
4.(=4) 4.80 (-0.70) H Kovalainen 10 10.71 - - - - - - - -
5.(=4) 5.20 (-0.30) K RÄikkÆnen 3 3.53 4 5.83 2 5.68 9 8.22 6 6.81
6. 6.40 (+0.40) J Trulli 8 9.24 14 10.28 5 6.11 6 6.71 7 7.31
7. 6.80 (+0.55) N Heidfeld 5 5.41 10 10.17 12 9.57 21 16.00 15 12.31
8. 7.40 (-0.10) F Alonso 2 3.18 1 4.28 1 3.95 7 7.56 8 7.88
9. 8.80 (-0.70) M Webber 7 9.06 7 11.06 8 8.00 13 9.72 11 9.88
10.(11) 11.40 (-0.10) N Rosberg 9 9.88 12 13.33 - - - - - -
11.(10) 11.60 (+0.35) J Button 14 13.94 3 7.78 4 5.94 3 5.50 13 11.33
12. 11.80 (+0.05) R Barrichello 16 15.00 6 7.61 13 10.53 2 4.56 1 3.63
13. 12.80 (-0.70) D Coulthard 13 13.35 13 14.17 16 11.00 10 9.39 9 8.50
14. 14.20 (+0.20) T Glock - - - - - - 22 16.50 - -
15.(15) 15.00 (+0.50) N Piquet - - - - - - - - - -
(16) 15.00 (-0.25) S Vettel 15 14.38 - - - - - - - -
17. 15.80 (+0.05) S Nakajima 22 19.00 - - - - - - - -
18. 16.80 (+0.30) S Bourdais - - - - - - - - - -
19. 18.00 (+0.50) G Fisichella 11 10.82 3 5.61 3 5.74 17 12.33 19 13.88
20. 19.40 (-0.10) A Sutil 23 20.29 - - - - - - - -
21. 20.75 T Sato 20 17.29 20 19.67 14 10.88 8 8.06 16 13.00
22. 21.25 A Davidson 19 16.06 - - 22 15.00 - - - -
Averages include all demotions such as engine change penalties, but not last minute
changes.
Average Team Starting Position 2008 - after Istanbul Park, Qualifying #5
========================================================================
2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002
Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP Pos. ASP
=======================================================================================
1. 3.70 (-0.30) Ferrari 2. 3.88 2. 6.06 6. 9.37 1. 4.25 1. 3.94 1.
2.35
2. 4.50 (-0.50) McLaren 1. 2.88 3. 6.89 2. 6.61 5. 8.81 4. 7.66 3.
5.62
3. 5.00 (+0.50) BMW-Sauber 3. 6.18 6. 10.81 8. 11.95 8. 12.92 8. 12.81 5.
10.97*
4. 10.30 (+0.30) Toyota 4. 10.79 5. 10.11 3. 7.47 7. 11.81 5. 10.09 8.
14.59
5. 10.80 (-0.70) Red Bull 6. 11.21 8. 14.65 7. 11.24 6. 11.69 7. 11.84 9.
15.79*
6. 11.20 (+0.20) Renault 5. 10.82 1. 4.94 1. 4.84 4. 7.47 3. 7.59 4.
9.50
7. 11.70 (+0.20) Honda 8. 14.47 4. 7.75 4. 8.53 3. 6.78 6. 11.48 6.
12.71*
8. 13.60 (-0.03) Williams 7. 12.65 7. 12.19 5. 9.32 2. 6.39 2. 5.03 2.
3.21
9. 15.90 (+0.02) T Rosso 9. 16.21 9. 15.83 10. 17.50 10. 18.53 10. 18.66 11.
20.32*
10. 18.70 (+0.20) F India 11. 20.82 10. 18.06 9. 16.97 9. 16.36 9. 15.53 7.
13.33*
11. 21.00 S Aguri 10. 16.68 11. 20.14 - - - - - - - -
* Red Bull = Jaguar (2002-04), Honda = BAR (2002-05), BMW-Sauber = Sauber (2002-05),
Force India = Spyker (2007) = Midland (2006) = Jordan (2002-05), Toro Rosso =
Minardi
(2002-05)
Note: Throughout the 2007 season the data in the 2006 columns was incorrect.
Team-mates Head-to-Head 2008 - after Istanbul Park, Qualifying #5
=================================================================
Team Driver-1 Driver-2 Posn.
================================================
Toyota Trulli 5-0 Glock +39
Renault Alonso 5-0 Piquet +38
BMW-Sauber Kubica 5-0 Heidfeld +18
Williams Rosberg 4-1 Nakajima +22
Red Bull Webber 4-1 Coulthard +20
Ferrari Massa 4-1 RÄikkÆnen +15
Force India Fisichella 4-1 Sutil +7
Toro Rosso Vettel 3-2 Bourdais +9
McLaren Hamilton 3-2 Kovalainen +3
Honda Barrichello 3-2 Button -1
S Aguri Sato 2-2 Davidson +2
Notes: "Posn." shows the advantage in qualifying positions to date. A
positive number shows the driver on the left has the advantage and a
negative number the driver on the right.
Appearances in Each Qualifying Session
======================================
Q-1 Q-2 Q-3
=============================
L Hamilton 5 5 5
R Kubica 5 5 5
H Kovalainen 5 5 5
N Heidfeld 5 5 5
J Trulli 5 5 5
F Massa 5 5 5
F Alonso 5 5 4
K RÄikkÆnen 5 5* 4 AUS (0 laps)
M Webber 5 5* 3 AUS (2 laps)
T Glock 5 5 2
N Rosberg 5 5 2
D Coulthard 5 3 2
J Button 5 5 1
N Piquet 5 3 1
S Vettel 5 3 1* AUS (2 laps)
R Barrichello 5 5 0
K Nakajima 5 3 0
S Bourdais 5 2 0
G Fisichella 5 0 0
A Sutil 5 0 0
T Sato 4 0 0
A Davidson 4 0 0
* Set no time in one or more sessions.
Best Qualifying Performances (Current Drivers)
==============================================
Best in 2008 Best in Best in Best before 2006
Driver Posn.(#) GP(s) 2007 (#) 2006 (#) Posn. (#) First - Last
=============================================================================
F Massa Pole (2) MAL/TUR Pole (6) Pole (3) 4th (3) AUT 02 - BRA 04
L Hamilton Pole (1) AUS Pole (6) --- ---
R Kubica Pole (1) BRN 4th (1) 6th (1) ---
K RÄikkÆnen Pole (1) ESP Pole (3) Pole (3) Pole (8) Eur 03 - TUR 05
F Alonso 2nd (1) ESP Pole (2) Pole (6) Pole (9) MAL 03 - CHN 05
H Kovalainen 2nd (1) TUR 6th (2) --- ---
J Trulli 3rd (1) MAL 6th (1) 3rd (1) Pole (3) MON 04 - USA 05
N Heidfeld 5th (2) AUS/MAL 2nd (1) 3rd (1) Pole (1) Eur 05
M Webber 6th (2) MAL/TUR 5th (1) 2nd (1) 2nd (2) MAL 04 - ESP 05
N Rosberg 7th (1) AUS 4th (1) 3rd (1) ---
D Coulthard 8th (1) AUS 5th (1) 7th (1) Pole (12) ARG 95 - MON 01
S Vettel 9th (1) AUS 7th (1) --- ---
J Button 9th (1) BRN 6th (1) Pole (1) Pole (2) RSM 04 - CDN 05
R Barrichello 10th (1) AUS 9th (1) 3rd (2) Pole (13) BEL 94 - BRA 04
T Glock 10th (1) MAL --- --- 16th (2) CDN 04 - CHN 04
N Piquet 10th (1) ESP --- --- ---
K Nakajima 12th (1) ESP 19th (1) --- ---
S Bourdais 15th (1) BRN --- --- ---
G Fisichella 16th (1) AUS 4th (1) Pole (1) Pole (2) AUT 98 - AUS 05
A Sutil 18th (1) AUS 19th (3) --- ---
T Sato 19th (1) MAL 10th (1) 17th (2) 2nd (1) Eur 04
A Davidson 21st (3) . . . 11th (2) --- 15th (1) MAL 05
Personal Bests set at Istanbul Park
===================================
Career 2008 Season
=============================================
Pole F Massa (11) F Massa (2)
2nd H Kovalainen H Kovalainen
6th M Webber (2)
All-Time Top 20 Poles
=====================
1. A Senna 65
2. M Schumacher 50 + 14 in 2003-05 [1] + 4 in '06 [3]
3. A Prost 34
4. J Clark 33
5. N Mansell 32
6. JM Fangio 29
7. M HÄkkinen 26
8. N Lauda 24
N Piquet 24
10. D Hill 20
11. M Andretti 18
12. J Stewart 17
R Arnoux 17
14. S Moss 16
15. F Alonso 0 + 7 in 2003-05 [1] + 2 in '05 [2] + 6 in '06 [3]
K RÄikkÆnen 0 + 5 in 2003-05 [1] + 3 in '05 [2] + 7 in '06-08 [3]
17. A Ascari 14
R Peterson 14
J Hunt 14
20. J Brabham 13
G Hill 13
J Ickx 13
J Villeneuve 13 + 0 in 2003-04 [1] + 0 in '05 [2]
JP Montoya 10 + 3 in 2003-04 [1] + 0 in '05 [2]
1. Single lap qualifying (2003-05, except for AUS-MON '05)
2. Two single-lap sessions aggregated (AUS-MON '05 only)
3. Knockout, 3-period, race fuel
The Record of Pole Position Holders at Istanbul Park
====================================================
Year Time Driver Chassis Rslt Winner Grid
====================================================================
2005 1'26.797 K RÄikkÆnen McLaren MP4/20 1st
2006 1'26.907 F Massa Ferrari 248 F1 1st
2007 1'27.329 F Massa Ferrari F2007 1st
2008 1'27.617 F Massa Ferrari F2008 ???
Note: 2005 was decided on "single lap". Since 2006 the grid has been
decided on a three-period knockout system. The "pole time" is no longer
necessarily the fastest time set during qualifying.
There have been three Grands Prix at Istanbul Park, all three have been
won from pole position.
Average grid position of winners = 1.000.
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Brian W Lawrence
Wantage,
Oxfordshire, UK
Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com
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| 2008 - 05 - TUR - Qualifying Brian Lawrence 14:00:12 |
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Qualifying - Saturday 10 May 2008 - 14:00
Qualifying-1
## Driver Team Time Lps Gap %Gap Km/hr mph
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2 F Massa Ferrari 1'25.994 7 0.000 0.000 223.467 138.856
22 L Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1'26.192 3 0.198 0.230 222.953 138.537
1 K RÄikkÆnen Ferrari 1'26.457 8 0.463 0.538 222.270 138.112
12 T Glock Toyota 1'26.614 10 0.620 0.721 221.867 137.862
11 J Trulli Toyota 1'26.695 7 0.701 0.815 221.660 137.733
23 H Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 1'26.736 4 0.742 0.863 221.555 137.668
4 R Kubica BMW Sauber-BMW 1'26.761 5 0.767 0.892 221.491 137.628
10 M Webber Red Bull-Renault 1'26.773 6 0.779 0.906 221.461 137.609
5 F Alonso Renault 1'26.836 6 0.842 0.979 221.300 137.509
9 D Coulthard Red Bull-Renault 1'26.939 7 0.945 1.099 221.038 137.346
3 N Heidfeld BMW Sauber-BMW 1'27.107 5 1.113 1.294 220.611 137.082
17 R Barrichello Honda 1'27.355 7 1.361 1.583 219.985 136.692
7 N Rosberg Williams-Toyota 1'27.367 7 1.373 1.597 219.955 136.674
16 J Button Honda 1'27.428 8 1.434 1.668 219.801 136.578
15 S Vettel T Rosso-Ferrari 1'27.442 9 1.448 1.684 219.766 136.556
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8 K Nakajima Williams-Toyota 1'27.547 9 1.553 1.806 219.503 136.393
6 N Piquet Renault 1'27.568 7 1.574 1.830 219.450 136.360
14 S Bourdais T Rosso-Ferrari 1'27.621 8 1.627 1.892 219.317 136.277
21 G Fisichella F India-Ferrari 1'27.807 10 1.813 2.108 218.853 135.989
20 A Sutil F India-Ferrari 1'28.325 9 2.331 2.711 217.569 135.191
Qualifying-2
## Driver Team Time Lps Gap %Gap Km/hr mph
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1 K RÄikkÆnen Ferrari 1'26.050 3 0.000 0.000 223.321 138.765
4 R Kubica BMW Sauber-BMW 1'26.129 6 0.079 0.092 223.116 138.638
2 F Massa Ferrari 1'26.192 3 0.142 0.165 222.953 138.537
23 H Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 1'26.290 6 0.240 0.279 222.700 138.379
10 M Webber Red Bull-Renault 1'26.466 6 0.416 0.483 222.247 138.098
22 L Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1'26.477 6 0.427 0.496 222.219 138.080
9 D Coulthard Red Bull-Renault 1'26.520 6 0.470 0.546 222.108 138.012
5 F Alonso Renault 1'26.522 6 0.472 0.549 222.103 138.008
3 N Heidfeld BMW Sauber-BMW 1'26.607 8 0.557 0.647 221.885 137.873
11 J Trulli Toyota 1'26.822 6 0.772 0.897 221.336 137.532
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7 N Rosberg Williams-Toyota 1'27.012 6 0.962 1.118 220.852 137.231
17 R Barrichello Honda 1'27.219 6 1.169 1.359 220.328 136.906
16 J Button Honda 1'27.298 6 1.248 1.450 220.129 136.782
15 S Vettel T Rosso-Ferrari 1'27.412 6 1.362 1.583 219.842 136.603
12 T Glock Toyota 1'27.806 5 1.756 2.041 218.855 135.990
Qualifying-3
## Driver Team Time Lps Gap %Gap Km/hr mph
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2 F Massa Ferrari 1'27.617 6 0.000 0.000 219.327 136.284
23 H Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 1'27.808 6 0.191 0.218 218.850 135.987
22 L Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1'27.923 6 0.306 0.349 218.564 135.809
1 K RÄikkÆnen Ferrari 1'27.936 6 0.319 0.364 218.532 135.789
4 R Kubica BMW Sauber-BMW 1'28.390 6 0.773 0.882 217.409 135.092
10 M Webber Red Bull-Renault 1'28.417 5 0.800 0.913 217.343 135.051
5 F Alonso Renault 1'28.422 6 0.805 0.919 217.331 135.043
11 J Trulli Toyota 1'28.836 7 1.219 1.391 216.318 134.414
3 N Heidfeld BMW Sauber-BMW 1'28.882 7 1.265 1.444 216.206 134.344
9 D Coulthard Red Bull-Renault 1'29.959 3 2.342 2.673 213.617 132.736
Qualifying Order
Pos # Driver Team Time Lps Changes
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1 2 F Massa Ferrari 1'27.617 16
2 23 H Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 1'27.808 16
3 22 L Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1'27.923 15
4 1 K RÄikkÆnen Ferrari 1'27.936 17
5 4 R Kubica BMW Sauber-BMW 1'28.390 17
6 10 M Webber Red Bull-Renault 1'28.417 17
7 5 F Alonso Renault 1'28.422 18
8 11 J Trulli Toyota 1'28.836 20
9 3 N Heidfeld BMW Sauber-BMW 1'28.882 20
10 9 D Coulthard Red Bull-Renault 1'29.959 16
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11 7 N Rosberg Williams-Toyota 1'27.012 13
12 17 R Barrichello Honda 1'27.219 13
13 16 J Button Honda 1'27.298 14
14 15 S Vettel T Rosso-Ferrari 1'27.412 15
15 12 T Glock Toyota 1'27.806 15
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16 8 K Nakajima Williams-Toyota 1'27.547 9
17 6 N Piquet Renault 1'27.568 7
18 14 S Bourdais T Rosso-Ferrari 1'27.621 8
19 21 G Fisichella F India-Ferrari 1'27.807 10 -1 (20) [5-place penalty]
20 20 A Sutil F India-Ferrari 1'28.325 9 +1 (19)
Weather: Air 17, Track 29, Humidity 40%, Wind 5.5 mps, Dry (windy)
Notes: Unusually Lewis Hamilton decided to use only the prime tyres during Q3.
Conventional paddock wisdom reckons that the option tyres are worth about 0.3s
per lap. If true, Hamilton would have been just about as quick as Massa.
However, it's also paddock wisdom that the McLaren fails to make the best use
of the option tyres - frequently unable to maintain the faster pace for a
complete lap and falling away slightly in S3. The McLaren is also thought to
perform better than most on the harder prime tyres.
Fisichella was penalised five grid places for ignoring the pitlane exit red
light at the start of first practice on Friday.
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Brian Lawrence
Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com
Wantage, Oxon.
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| 2008 - 05 - TUR - Practice 3 Brian Lawrence 13:55:02 |
| | As usual I wasn't able to watch qually live or crunch the numbers yesterday.
Turkish Grand Prix
Third Practice - Saturday 10 May 2008 - 11:00-12:00
## Driver Team Time Lps Gap %Gap Km/hr mph
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10 M Webber Red Bull-Renault 1'27.030 16 0.000 0.000 220.807 137.203
5 F Alonso Renault 1'27.172 13 0.142 0.163 220.447 136.979
9 D Coulthard Red Bull-Renault 1'27.193 15 0.163 0.187 220.394 136.946
7 N Rosberg Williams-Toyota 1'27.365 16 0.335 0.385 219.960 136.677
2 F Massa Ferrari 1'27.530 13 0.500 0.575 219.545 136.419
11 J Trulli Toyota 1'27.614 15 0.584 0.671 219.335 136.288
22 L Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1'27.658 18 0.628 0.722 219.225 136.220
12 T Glock Toyota 1'27.733 22 0.703 0.808 219.037 136.103
16 J Button Honda 1'27.766 16 0.736 0.846 218.955 136.052
6 N Piquet Renault 1'27.781 14 0.751 0.863 218.918 136.029
1 K RÄikkÆnen Ferrari 1'27.837 14 0.807 0.927 218.778 135.942
23 H Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 1'27.849 13 0.819 0.941 218.748 135.924
15 S Vettel T Rosso-Ferrari 1'27.899 18 0.869 0.999 218.624 135.846
17 R Barrichello Honda 1'27.946 14 0.916 1.053 218.507 135.774
14 S Bourdais T Rosso-Ferrari 1'27.948 17 0.918 1.055 218.502 135.771
4 R Kubica BMW Sauber-BMW 1'27.971 16 0.941 1.081 218.445 135.735
8 K Nakajima Williams-Toyota 1'28.301 14 1.271 1.460 217.628 135.228
21 G Fisichella F India-Ferrari 1'28.573 18 1.543 1.773 216.960 134.813
3 N Heidfeld BMW Sauber-BMW 1'28.655 19 1.625 1.867 216.759 134.688
20 A Sutil F India-Ferrari 1'29.131 19 2.101 2.414 215.602 133.969
Weather: Air 16, Track 26, Humidity 52%, Wind 4.4 mps, Dry (windy, 'wet' track)
Notes: The track was again officially 'wet' after further rain. No rain fell
during the session and the track was effectively dry throughout. Cool
temperatures and blustery winds affected all drivers.
Following the pattern of previous races the leading teams appeared to concentrate
on running in Q3 mode, with a heavier fuel load. The Ferraris were once again
seen to be slow to work up to their top speed - it's believed that they have a
problem in getting heat into the front tyres. Very few incidents - RÄikkÆnen,
Bourdais and Nakajima had minor 'offs'.
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Brian Lawrence
Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com
Wantage, Oxon.
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Saturday, 10 May 2008
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| Kovaleinens Spanish accident Neil McD. 23:25:06 |
| | I've just watched the qualifying from Turkey, and in the build-up they
showed the accident suffered by Kovaleinen in Spain. The McLaren team blamed
the wheel rim breaking up for the accident, but was there a steering failure
as well? The overhead camera shot shows the car going into the corner with
the steering wheel turned to the right, the rim breaks, and at this point
the steering rack seems to straighten up (both wheels pointing straight
ahead) but the steering wheel is still turned to the right. The car follows
a straight line to the barrier, but Kovaleinen appears to straighten the
steering wheel up and then apply full right lock but the wheels don't change
direction. Did something break in the steering, before or after the wheel
rim broke up?
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Neil McD.
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Friday, 9 May 2008
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| 2008 - 05 - TUR - Practice 2 Brian Lawrence 16:50:08 |
| | Turkish Grand Prix
Second Practice - Friday 09 May 2008 - 14:00-15:30
## Driver Team Time Lps Gap %Gap Km/hr mph
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1 K RÄikkÆnen Ferrari 1'27.543 30 0.000 0.000 219.513 136.399
22 L Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1'27.579 31 0.036 0.041 219.422 136.343
2 F Massa Ferrari 1'27.682 29 0.139 0.159 219.165 136.183
9 D Coulthard Red Bull-Renault 1'27.763 24 0.220 0.251 218.962 136.057
23 H Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 1'27.954 27 0.411 0.469 218.487 135.761
4 R Kubica BMW Sauber-BMW 1'28.431 29 0.888 1.014 217.308 135.029
11 J Trulli Toyota 1'28.619 29 1.076 1.229 216.847 134.743
5 F Alonso Renault 1'28.681 26 1.138 1.300 216.696 134.648
8 K Nakajima Williams-Toyota 1'28.684 27 1.141 1.303 216.688 134.644
3 N Heidfeld BMW Sauber-BMW 1'28.817 31 1.274 1.455 216.364 134.442
16 J Button Honda 1'28.826 28 1.283 1.466 216.342 134.429
12 T Glock Toyota 1'28.849 26 1.306 1.492 216.286 134.394
7 N Rosberg Williams-Toyota 1'28.907 29 1.364 1.558 216.145 134.306
21 G Fisichella Force India-Ferrari 1'29.008 35 1.465 1.673 215.900 134.154
17 R Barrichello Honda 1'29.024 22 1.481 1.692 215.861 134.130
6 N Piquet Renault 1'29.212 26 1.669 1.906 215.406 133.847
15 S Vettel T Rosso-Ferrari 1'29.462 30 1.919 2.192 214.804 133.473
14 S Bourdais T Rosso-Ferrari 1'29.630 32 2.087 2.384 214.401 133.223
10 M Webber Red Bull-Renault 1'29.633 4 2.090 2.387 214.394 133.218
20 A Sutil Force India-Ferrari 1'30.832 9 3.289 3.757 211.564 131.460
Weather: Air 14, Track 19, Humidity 60%, Wind 1.3 mps, Dry ('wet' at start)
Notes: The session was declared 'wet' after rain, but the rain stopped soon after
the session began. The session was red-flagged after about 30m when Mark Webber
spun, hitting the barriers hard enough to destroy the front of the car. He was
unhurt, but took no further part in the session. Kimi RÄikkÆnen set his best lap
on his first run and it remained unbeaten. Lewis Hamilton came very close, a
sideways moment on his quickest lap losing him the top spot. David Coulthard
was impressive - on his final lap (an in lap) he set a personal best in sector 1
followed by the quickest time of the session in S2.
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Brian Lawrence
Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com
Wantage, Oxfordshire, UK
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| 2008 - 05 - TUR - Practice 1 Brian Lawrence 13:20:05 |
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First Practice - Friday 09 May 2008 - 10:00-11:30
## Driver Team Time Lps Gap %Gap Km/hr mph
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2 F Massa Ferrari 1'27.323 16 0.000 0.000 220.066 136.742
23 H Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 1'27.456 17 0.133 0.152 219.731 136.535
22 L Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1'27.752 15 0.429 0.491 218.990 136.074
5 F Alonso Renault 1'28.284 16 0.961 1.101 217.670 135.254
16 J Button Honda 1'28.919 12 1.596 1.828 216.116 134.288
8 K Nakajima Williams-Toyota 1'29.002 19 1.679 1.923 215.914 134.163
3 N Heidfeld BMW Sauber-BMW 1'29.024 21 1.701 1.948 215.861 134.130
17 R Barrichello Honda 1'29.068 11 1.745 1.998 215.754 134.063
6 N Piquet Renault 1'29.082 23 1.759 2.014 215.720 134.042
12 T Glock Toyota 1'29.103 19 1.780 2.038 215.670 134.011
11 J Trulli Toyota 1'29.329 24 2.006 2.297 215.124 133.672
4 R Kubica BMW Sauber-BMW 1'29.330 7 2.007 2.298 215.121 133.670
7 N Rosberg Williams-Toyota 1'29.367 20 2.044 2.341 215.032 133.615
20 A Sutil Force India-Ferrari 1'29.756 23 2.433 2.786 214.100 133.036
21 G Fisichella Force India-Ferrari 1'29.811 23 2.488 2.849 213.969 132.954
10 M Webber Red Bull-Renault 1'30.088 21 2.765 3.166 213.311 132.546
9 D Coulthard Red Bull-Renault 1'30.340 13 3.017 3.455 212.716 132.176
14 S Bourdais T Rosso-Ferrari 1'30.388 19 3.065 3.510 212.603 132.106
15 S Vettel T Rosso-Ferrari 1'30.426 21 3.103 3.553 212.514 132.050
1 K RÄikkÆnen Ferrari 1'30.732 3 3.409 3.904 211.797 131.605
Weather: Air 15, Track 25, Humidity 55%, Wind 4.6 mps, Dry [1]
Note 1: www.formula1.com show live weather during sessions but when I checked
for the first time (30m before the end) there was no data available. The above
numbers were shown as recorded during the previous hour or so - the above may
be suspect, although it was fine and dry but also cool and windy.
Notes: Super Aguri were absent after their rescue deal fell through. The track
had been cleaned shortly before the session leaving a wet surface between turns
3 and 9. Most teams chose not to run until the track had dried up.
Kimi RÄikkÆnen had to sit out most of the session with an unspecified gearbox
problem. Many drivers had spins in the slippery section. Robert Kubica did very
few laps - I'm not aware why.
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Brian Lawrence
Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com
Wantage, Oxfordshire, UK
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Friday, 2 May 2008
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| [FAQ] Frequently asked questions to rec.autos.sport.f1.moderated - Part 1 of 2 Mark Jackson 01:57:51 |
| | $Revision: 2.112 $, $Date: 2006/12/01 14:10:51 $
This FAQ is posted approximately twice a month. (The subject should be
the same; if you do not want to retrieve it, kill the subject.) Between
postings you can find a reasonably current copy at
http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson/rasf1m.html. For more information
about the operation of this newsgroup, and a nicely-formatted version of
this FAQ, see the rec.autos.sport.f1.moderated website at
http://www.rasf1m.net/.
*NOTE* The FAQ has been split into two parts to avoid it being too long
for some people's rules.
This FAQ originated on rec.autos.sport.f1, where it was ably maintained
through mid-2001 by Stephen M Baines. Special thanks to him, and
thanks also to the following people who, amongst others, have had
contributions culled to make the FAQ:
Kim Andrews, Paul B, Sven Baumer, David Betts, Sergiusz Boron, Alessio
Bragadini, Lord Tim Brent, StÉnio F. Campos, Simon "Bumble Bee Boy"
Cossar, Andrew Cosstick, Emma Crawley, GD, BF Dehay, Doug Farrow,
Pete Fenelon, Ken Fletcher, Mark J Frusciante, Tony Gartshore, Alan Gauton,
GD, Thomas Gmuer, Lutz Goerke, Paul Harman, Ian Hill, Mark Jackson, Jak,
Alan Jones, Brian Lawrence, Jeff "Eskimo Joe", Olav K. Malmin, Julie Miles,
Ciro PabÑn, Dave Parker, Jon Petersson, Barry Posner, Rob, Duncan Rollo,
Rui Pedro Mendes Salgueiro, Martin Schmidt, Peter Scoular, Johan V,
Mike Whooley, Paul Winalski.
Apologies to anyone whose name was missed - it's not deliberate!
The FAQ may not have answers to everything you need - it is just a
collection of *frequently* asked questions and their answers, not the
answers to everything 
Corrections and additions are especially welcome. I do try to keep up
with the newsgroup, but to make sure of something being considered for
the FAQ mail me at mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu.
The FAQ is divided into several sections.
This introduction (Part 1)
1. Rules, regulations and governing body (Part 1)
2. The teams and cars (Part 1)
3. The drivers (Part 2)
4. The races (Part 2)
5. The circuits (Part 2)
6. Television (Part 2)
7. Sponsors (Part 2)
8. Manufacturers (Part 2)
9. Technical stuff (Part 2)
10. Miscellaneous (Part 2)
1. Rules, Regulations and Governing Body
===========================================
Q: Who is the governing body of Formula 1?
A: The FÈdÈration Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA), headquartered
in Paris (F) and whose president is currently Max Mosley. In 1904
various national motor clubs organized the Association Internationale
des Automobile Clubs Reconnus (AIACR) to run international motor sport
(reserving control of national events for themselves). The AIACR first
issued an international sporting calendar and regulations in 1908, and
in 1922 formed a Commission Sportive Internationale (CSI) to formalize
the oversignt of Grand Prix and other forms of international racing.
The term Formula 1 came into use in 1947, when the AIACR reorganized
itself as the FIA. The World Championship of Drivers was begun in 1950.
Q: Where can I find the regulations to Formula 1?
A: The FIA's web site has the technical and sporting regulations; see
http://www.fia.com/sport/Regulations/f1regs.html.
Q: What are the main changes for 2007?
A: In March 2006 the World Motor Sport Council, anticipating the
expiration of the Concorde Agreement (see below), approved
far-reaching changes to the sporting regulations for 2008.
Proposed changes to the technical regulations followed; after
considerable struggle some modifications were put in place
and most provisions were brought forward to 2007. The
most radical change is that in order to minimize development
costs engines have been "homologated" in the configurations
used at the end of 2006 and must not be further modified
without FIA approval. (This configuration freeze continues
through 2010.) Engines will also be limited to a
maximum of 19,000 RPM.
No third cars on Friday, however a nominated 3rd driver can
use one of the two race cars in any free practice session.
The two-event rule only applies to Saturday and Sunday, so on
Friday replacement engines can be run. Each Friday free
practice session will be 90 minutes long (up from 1 hour).
Single tire supplier (Bridgestone), 14 sets of dry-weather
tires per driver.
When a safety car is deployed cars will form up behind with
lapped cars at the back; this will permit some cars to
unlap themselves. Pitting is not permitted until cars
have formed up behind the safety car.
Q: Are further changes planned?
As mentioned most proposed changes have been brought forward
to 2007. An FIA-standard engine control unit (ECU) will
become mandatory in 2008, and gearboxes will have to last for
four events (with a five-place grid penalty for early
replacement). 2009 will see the introduction of some kind of
scheme for recovery of energy during braking; the FIA promises
a regulation before the end of 2006. In 2010 recovery of
waste heat from the engine is intended to come into play.
And there is discussion of an entirely new engine formula
around 2011, possibly a turbo design with a fuel-flow valve.
(The stated goal of all these later changes is to make
F1-related technical developments more "road-relevant.")
Q: What is the Concorde Agreement?
A: The original Concorde Agreement (so-called because it was signed
at the FIA headquarters on the Place de la Concorde in Paris)
was between the Formula One Constructors Association (FOCA)
and the FÈdÈration Internationale du Sport Automobile (FISA).
FISA, reorganized from the old CSI by Jean-Marie Balestre after
he became its chair, was the arm of the FIA involved in
sanctioning motor sport and had direct sanctioning responsibility
for F1. FOCA was, as its name implies, an organization
representing most of the F1 teams (but not all of them--Tyrrell
and, I think, Ferrari were not FOCA members). Its president was
Bernie Ecclestone, then owner of the Brabham F1 team.
Through the 1970s the FIA had gradually allowed FOCA to
take a greater hand in the financial, promotional, and
organizational aspects of the F1 Championship. By 1980
FOCA was organizing the races and the FIA's role was limited
to rules-making and officiating. When Balestre took over
as head of the CSI he set about trying to get control of F1 back
from FOCA. FOCA baulked at some of Balestre's proposed rule
changes, particularly the ones limiting ground effects, and
a very ugly dispute ensued that threatened to split the sport.
(One race was boycotted by the FOCA teams; another, organized
by FOCA, was excluded from that year's Championship.)
The sponsors and manufacturers (engines, tires, fuel) had the
last say and forced both sides to hammer out the Concorde
Agreement, which covers the whole financial and organizational
side of F1 racing, rules stability, collection and distribution
of monies, etc.
FISA is no longer, its duties now being performed by the FIA's
World Motor Sports Council. FOCA has evolved into Bernie's
complex of companies; see "Who owns F1," below. Since the
original Concorde Agreement there have been several revisions
to it. In recent years the CA has required unanimous consent
from the teams (almost impossible to obtain) or a couple of
years' notice in order to change the regulations.
The current, three-party version (FIA, Bernie, the F1 teams)
expires at the end of 2007. In mid-January 2005 the FIA,
Ferrari, and Bernie announced the signing of a revised Concorde
Agreement, giving signatory teams a larger share of revenues,
effective 2008-2012. Bernie gave the other teams an
end-of-February deadline to sign on, which was ignored.
Instead the remaining teams signed a memorandum of
understanding with Bernie covering financial arrangements in
mid-May 2006. Agreement between manufacturers and the FIA
over governance and technical objectives was claimed by Mosley
and BMW in November. Max says this clears the
way for a fresh 3-way Concorde Agreement, although European
Union antitrust settlements discouraging the FIA from entangling
its administrative powers (including rulemaking procedures) with
commercial arrangements would seem to impede this.
Q: Where can I see the Concorde Agreement?
A: You can't. It's secret, although some of its known or suspected
provisions are described in this FAQ. More detailed speculation,
and pointers to an alleged copy of the 1997 agreement divulged
in 2005 by a certain motorsport newsletter, can be found at
http://www.concordeagreement.com.
Q: How much do the teams get for winning races?
A: The FIA doesn't get involved in money, which is controlled by
Bernie through what used to be called FOCA. I believe that the
Concorde Agreement describes the "prize money" for each race,
and I think there are payments for the leading teams at quarter,
half, three-quarter and full distance. Maybe something for most
laps led too?
The revenue from TV rights is partially distributed to teams using
a points system derived from historical performances. As I understand
it points are awarded for:
* Placing in the constructor's championship (last 3 years)
* Number of years in F1 (1 year = 4 points, 10 years = 165 points
[Ferrari 50 yrs = 1200 points])
* Constructor's titles (25 points each)
* Constructor's championship points (last 2 years x 2)
* " " 2 (all-time / 10)
* Number of wins (last 2 years, 10 points each)
* All-time number of wins (1 point each)
Teams with points get a proportional share of the money. There is
also a separate pool of money distributed based on the previous
years constructor's championship. The *size* of the total payout
(reportedly 47% of TV revenues, nothing from the sanctioning fees
and other income realized by Bernie) was one of the issues behind
the breakaway manufacturers' movement (see next question).
Q: Who owns F1?
A: The FIA owns Formula 1, but licensed the commercial rights
through 2110 (yes, for over a century) to a complex of companies
effectively controlled by Bernie Ecclestone. The actual structure
is Byzantine; in discussing it /The Economist/ has used the words
"complex tax-avoidance scheme."
The key elements have been:
* Formula One Management (FOM), owned by the Jersey company Petara
* Formula One Administration (FOA), which owns Petara and is in turn
owned by Formula One Holdings (FOH)
* SLEC Holdings, a Jersey company (evidently named for Bernie's wife
Slavica, who controls Petara) which owns FOH.
* Bambino Holdings, another Jersey company controlled by the
Liechtenstein-based Bambino Trust (whose beneficiaries are members
of the Ecclestone family).
A few years ago Bernie sold 75% of SLEC for a very large sum,
while retaining a 25% stake through Bambino Holdings - as well
as effective control through arcane directorship arrangements at
FOM and FOA. Due to financial difficulties ownership of this 75%
passed through the hands of German media companies EM.TV and Kirch
and, following the latter's default, to three creditor banks.
The banks were unhappy with the return on their unwilling
investment and lack of the control that usually comes with 75%
ownership; legal actions followed.
In November 2005 Ecclestone and the British private equity firm CVC
Capital Partners agreed to form a new company, Alpha Prema, which
would eventually reunite the bank and Bambino holdings with
Ecclestone continuing as chief executive of the F1 group. Details
were then worked out with the banks, conditional approval was
granted by the European Commission (CVS being required to divest
itself of its interest in MotoGP), and in March 2006 the purchase
was completed. As of that date:
* the Formula One Group is still 100% owned by SLEC
* SLEC is 75% owned by Speed Investments (the former bank holding
vehicle); and 25% by Alpha Prema UK
* 100% of Speed is held by Alpha Prema UK
* Alpha Prema UK is 100% owned by yet another Jersey-based holding
company, Alpha Topco
* Alpha Topco is 75% owned by CVC Fund IV and 25% by Bambino Holdings.
2. The teams and cars
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Q: When was the last time a privateer won a race?
A: The last privateer to win a GP was either Jo Siffert in the Walker
Lotus-Ford at Brands Hatch in 1968, or Jackie Stewart in the Tyrrell
March-Ford in Spain in 1970. (Although Tyrrell bought both chassis
and engine that season some feel that the support he was receiving from
Ford, Elf, and Goodyear place him at least among the semi-works ranks.
It's a judgement call, there being no official body empowered to bless
privateership.)
There has never been a privateer World Champion. Moss came closest in
the Rob Walker-entered Cooper in 1959 when he finished third. Walker
was the first privateer entrant to win a World Championship Grand Prix
with Moss in a Cooper-Climax, in the 1958 Argentine Grand Prix.
The Mugen-Honda engine used by the 2000 Jordan was a factory engine
in all-but-name. The last World Champion to use an off-the-shelf
engine was Keke Rosberg (1982, Williams-Ford).
Q: Who owns which team?
A: BMW Sauber - The former Sauber was restructured, if not
fully renamed, for 2006 as the factory team for
BMW, which holds the controlling stake. Credit Suisse
will continue as a shareholder until 2008, and as
sponsor through 2008.
Ferrari - Piero Lardi Ferrari 10%, the FIAT Group 64.5%, and 5%
by the government-owned Mubadala Development Co. of
Abu Dhabi. A planned IPO having fallen through, Fiat
is in the process of repurchasing the remaining 20.5%
currently held by three investment banks: Mediobanca
(11.7%), ABN Amro Holding NV (7.5%), and Banca
Popolare dell'Emilia Romagna (1.3%).
Honda - BARH Limited, which is itself owned 55% by British
American Tobacco and 45% by Honda. Honda is buying out
BAT and rebadged the former BAR team for 2006.
McLaren - TAG McLaren is 40% owned by DaimlerChrysler and 30% each
by Ron Dennis and TAG Group S.A. (Mansouer Ojjeh).
Spyker MF1 - (formerly MF1 Racing, neÈ Jordan) Holland-based
Spyker Cars NV, which purchased the team during the
2006 Italian GP from Alex Shnaider and Eduard Shifrin's
Midland Group.
Red Bull - (formerly Jaguar, neÈ Stewart) Dietrich Mateschitz's
Red Bull energy drink company.
Renault - Renault.
STR - (Scuderia Toro Rosso, formerly Minardi) Dietrich
Mateschitz's Red Bull energy drink company 50%;
Gerhard Berger 50%.
Super Aguri - Aguri Suzuki and Fumio Akita.
Toyota - Toyota.
Williams - Frank Williams and Patrick Head (said to be 80/20).
Q: Who supplied engines and tyres to which team in 2006?
A: Engines are new 2.4 liter V8s except where noted:
BMW Sauber - BMW [F], Michelin
Ferrari - Ferrari [F], Bridgestone
Honda* - Honda [F], Michelin
McLaren - Mercedes [F], Michelin
Spyker MF1** - Toyota [C], Bridgestone
Red Bull - Ferrari [C], Michelin
Renault - Renault [F], Michelin
STR*** - Cosworth 3.0 V10 [C], Michelin
Super Aguri - Honda [C], Bridgestone
Toyota - Toyota [F], Bridgestone
Williams - Cosworth [C], Bridgestone
[F] Factory [C] Customer
* formerly BAR
** formerly MF1 Racing (assuming the name change is approved);
neÈ Jordan
*** Scuderia Toro Rosso; formerly Minardi
Q: Who will be supplying engines to which team in 2007?
A: BMW Sauber - BMW [F]
Ferrari - Ferrari [F]
Honda - Honda [F]
McLaren - Mercedes [F]
Spyker F1* - Ferrari [C]
Red Bull - Renault [C]
Renault - Renault [F]
STR - Ferrari [C]
Super Aguri - Honda [C]
Toyota - Toyota [F]
Williams - Toyota [F]
[F] Factory [C] Customer
*name change applied for
Bridgestone has been chosen by the FIA as the single tire supplier
for 2008-10; they'll be supplying the field in 2007 as well,
as Michelin have announced their withdrawal from F1.
Q: What is known about possible changes to team entries in 2008?
A: Anticipating the expiration of the Concorde Agreement (see above),
the FIA opened entries for 2008 only for one week (24 to 31
March 2006). Twenty-two applications were received; the official
entry list, announced by the FIA on April 28, consists of the
current 11 teams plus Prodrive (Dave Richards, former BAR and
Benetton principal).
Q. How much does each team spend per year?
A. Estimates are all that are available, and of course they vary. The
March 2006 issue of /F1 Racing/ gave the following breakdown for
2005 (all figures in millions of US dollars):
R&D WT Man. Eng. T&A Tests Races T-Sal D-Sal C.E. Total
===============================================================================
Ferrari 26.60 15.55 1.80 150 19.46 75.75 37.28 51.04 46.50 9.00 432.98
Toyota 63.40 13.14 2.80 180 12.97 77.50 29.71 68.53 39.50 11.50 499.05
McLaren 45.66 15.93 1.99 140 14.05 65.86 25.33 62.23 40.00 8.50 419.95
Williams 22.50 14.91 1.65 137 10.05 74.50 27.46 57.05 5.00 10.00 360.12
BAR 33.40 11.62 1.37 170 8.53 54.00 23.24 40.70 10.25 7.05 360.16
Renault 18.09 9.06 1.92 115 8.10 44.00 25.09 41.08 18.25 6.50 287.81
Sauber 15.03 11.71 1.75 26 7.70 27.50 24.03 39.60 4.50 3.50 161.32
Red Bull 13.48 6.78 1.25 18 5.72 37.50 19.51 23.78 2.50 10.70 139.22
Jordan 12.20 5.10 0.80 15 4.86 26.50 21.34 16.50 0.50 1.40 104.20
Minardi 0.45 3.40 0.75 10 2.47 10.00 10.25 12.24 0.35 0.40 50.31
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250.81 107.20 16.08 961 93.91 493.11 243.24 413.47 167.35 68.55 2814.72
(WT = wind tunnel, Man = manufacturing, Eng = engines, T&A = travel and
accomodation, T-Sal = team salaries, D-Sal = drivers' salaries, C.E. =
corporate entertainment)
For comparison, /F1 Racing/'s team totals for 2004 and 2003:
Ferra Toyot McLar Willi B.A.R Renau Saube Jagua Jorda Minar
============================================================================
[2004Tot $2493] 418.2 368.5 359.2 359.0 309.9 255.2 154.6 141.9 79.92 46.58
[2003Tot $2141] 443.8 290.4 304.6 353.3 225.1 206.8 119.5 78.8 79.20 39.60
Q: Is it true that there was a 6-wheel F1 car that won a race?
A: The Tyrrell project 34 had small, 10 inch diameter front wheels
that could be completely hidden behind the front cowling then
in common use on F1 cars. This removed the front wheels from the
airstream and thus reduced drag significantly, resulting in the
car going faster. The problem was that the tiny front wheels
didn't provide enough surface area for proper braking. The way
around this was to use 4 front wheels instead of the usual 2.
The car was pretty successful in its first year and actually won
at Anderstorp (Swedish Grand Prix 1976) for Jody Scheckter, with
Depailler second. It was less successful in 1977 because the
more complicated 4-wheel front suspension assembly added a lot
of weight, and Goodyear wasn't keeping up on tire development of
the 10" tires. Tyrrell went back to a conventional, 4-wheel car
the next year. Pictures at http://www.ddavid.com/formula1/tyrp34.htm
and http://www.evil-photographer.com/cars/tyrrell/P34/P34.htm.
March also made some experiments with a 6 wheel car in 1977.
The 2-4-0 (from rail locomotive terminology) sought increased
traction by having a second set of rear wheels behind the first.
Design and construction were very informal, development nonexistent
(most running was done with only one set of rear wheels driven to
avoid cracking the inadequate gearbox casing), and the car never
competed; a successor machine did win several British hillclimbs
in 1979 with Roy Lane at the wheel. Photo at
http://www.geocities.com/simontmallett/240march1.html.
Williams produced a 6-wheel variant of their FW08 in 1982, of
similar layout to the March. The idea this time was to extend the
area under the car available to venturi tunnels and to allow the
rear wing to be mounted further back on the car. Cars were
built and tested, but right about the time that they were ready
to race the FIA came out with new regulations restricting F1 cars
to 4 wheels mounted on 2 axles, so it never raced for the FIA World
Championship. The cars still exist and have appeared in several
historic races. Photo at
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/large/689-1.jpg.
Q: Is it true about a "fan car"?
A: The Brabham BT46B, which Niki Lauda drove to victory in the
1978 Swedish GP.
This was an idea borrowed from Jim Hall's Chaparral CanAm cars.
The idea was to put skirts on the sidepods to seal the undercar area,
then to mount an extractor fan at the back to remove
the air under the car, thus sucking it down onto the track.
To get around the "moveable areodynamic device" ban, Brabham
claimed that the fan was there to help cool the engine.
Whilst this wasn't false, it wasn't the full reason behind the
fan; the car actually squatted down onto the track if you
blipped the throttle while it was stationary.
But its biggest problem was that it was very successful, so
all the other teams protested. There was also one legitimate
(IMO) concern--the fan tended to pick up debris from the track
and blow it into the face of a driver following closely. In
any event, the car was very soon banned by the FIA because the
fan was ruled to be an aerodynamic aid not in a fixed position
relative to the sprung part of the car.
Q: Why were Tyrrell thrown out of the 1984 championship?
A: This is from Autocourse:
"In the afterglow of 1984's chase-the-McLaren story, the
FISA-versus-Tyrrell affair still rankles as being as distasteful as it
was ill-considered. Whether or not Tyrrell was plying his 012 cars
with lead ballast during a late-race pit stop or - and this is more
far-fetched - mixing additive to the water injected into the engine to
ward off piston and valvegear failures has become a moot case. What is
more relevant is not only the way that FISA conducted his trial - for
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