"Ron S" <resha@supanet.com> wrote in message news:863a6656.0504101252.5fad07c7@posting.google.com...> OK - I've just moved from film to digital for U/W phots. I have an> Olympus C770 and its matching housing.> Now I'm looking at a strobe. There is an Olympus flash-gun with its> own dedicated housing but I'm also looking at a Sea-Life SL 960 or a> (rather more expensive) Epoque ES 150.>
If anybody has knowledge or experience of any of these I'd be> interested to hear your views.>
Thanks>
Ron S.
Before you make a purchase decision, take a close look at the Inon D-2000.
"Rudy Benner" <rudy.benner@gmail.com> wrote in message news:115j5np8ppjjdcb@corp.supernews.com...>
"Ron S" <resha@supanet.com> wrote in message > news:863a6656.0504101252.5fad07c7@posting.google.com...>> OK - I've just moved from film to digital for U/W phots. I have an>> Olympus C770 and its matching housing.>> Now I'm looking at a strobe. There is an Olympus flash-gun with its>> own dedicated housing but I'm also looking at a Sea-Life SL 960 or a>> (rather more expensive) Epoque ES 150.>>
If anybody has knowledge or experience of any of these I'd be>> interested to hear your views.>>
Thanks>>
Ron S.>
Before you make a purchase decision, take a close look at the Inon D-2000.>
Any comments on the Sea and Sea YS-15? I'm looking into that one.
Daniel Arrepas 11 April 2005 21:59:59 [ permanent link ]
"Tony Howard" <tony@samesamediving.com> wrote in message news:4259e78d.0@entanet...> >
Any comments on the Sea and Sea YS-15? I'm looking into that one.
Low output, so only use at close distances.
With a guide number of 12, it has plenty of power underwater for *digital* (not enough reach for film though). I am not real familiar with your camera but I think it is basically point and shoot, with zoom, so it is likely that the widest it shoots is 35 - 40 degrees. If that is the case, the Sea & Sea will be fine. You won't have to shoot short and you will have enough strobe coverage to equal the lens at it's widest angle of acceptance.
I don't shoot Sea and Sea's but I do think they make some fine underwater strobes. This one does seem to fit your needs for the camera you have chosen.
Daniel Arrepas 11 April 2005 22:15:56 [ permanent link ]
"Rudy Benner" <rudy.benner@gmail.com> wrote in message news:115j5np8ppjjdcb@corp.supernews.com...>
"Ron S" <resha@supanet.com> wrote in message > news:863a6656.0504101252.5fad07c7@posting.google.com...>> OK - I've just moved from film to digital for U/W phots. I have an>> Olympus C770 and its matching housing.>> Now I'm looking at a strobe. There is an Olympus flash-gun with its>> own dedicated housing but I'm also looking at a Sea-Life SL 960 or a>> (rather more expensive) Epoque ES 150.>>
If anybody has knowledge or experience of any of these I'd be>> interested to hear your views.>>
Thanks>>
Ron S.>
Before you make a purchase decision, take a close look at the Inon D-2000.
As much as I like Inon innovations, this model, while having a color temp of 5500K, often renders harsh and displeasing images. Shouldn't at that temp, but does. Which is one reason Inon sells filters to cool the temp. They claim their reflectors "soften", which isn't the same as cools, the light. So I suspect something in the reflectors is causing the harsh edge the strobes deliver.
Strange, in my view,...5500K is a nice temp for a small strobe and should result in better light on the image.
"Daniel Arrepas" <arrepas.daniel@butler-rosebury.com> wrote in message news9z6e.48$Pa1.809@news.uswest.net...>
"Rudy Benner" <rudy.benner@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:115j5np8ppjjdcb@corp.supernews.com...>>
"Ron S" <resha@supanet.com> wrote in message >> news:863a6656.0504101252.5fad07c7@posting.google.com...>>> OK - I've just moved from film to digital for U/W phots. I have an>>> Olympus C770 and its matching housing.>>> Now I'm looking at a strobe. There is an Olympus flash-gun with its>>> own dedicated housing but I'm also looking at a Sea-Life SL 960 or a>>> (rather more expensive) Epoque ES 150.>>>
If anybody has knowledge or experience of any of these I'd be>>> interested to hear your views.>>>
Thanks>>>
Ron S.>>
Before you make a purchase decision, take a close look at the Inon >> D-2000.>
As much as I like Inon innovations, this model, while having a color temp > of 5500K, often renders harsh and displeasing images. Shouldn't at that > temp, but does. Which is one reason Inon sells filters to cool the temp. > They claim their reflectors "soften", which isn't the same as cools, the > light. So I suspect something in the reflectors is causing the harsh edge > the strobes deliver.>
Strange, in my view,...5500K is a nice temp for a small strobe and should > result in better light on the image.>
I am using a diffuser which has a bit of a blue tint, it softens the light and widens the pattern a bit as well. I get about 110 degrees. My WAL is about 105 degrees. Without the diffuser, it does seem a bit harsh, which is why I bought it. The diffuser also comes with a couple of coloured lens to cover the modelling light, you choice of red or blue. The little tabs that lock it in place are poorly designed, you quickly end up gluing it in permanently. Linking is optical.
"Daniel Arrepas" <arrepas.daniel@butler-rosebury.com> wrote in message news:4ID6e.66$Pa1.161@news.uswest.net...>
"Rudy Benner" <rudy.benner@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:115m0bgcau0l5b4@corp.supernews.com...>>
"Daniel Arrepas" <arrepas.daniel@butler-rosebury.com> wrote in message >> news:ZLC6e.56$Pa1.804@news.uswest.net...>>>
"Rudy Benner" <rudy.benner@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:115loa8eqrd9436@corp.supernews.com...>>>
Without the diffuser, it does seem a bit harsh, which is why I bought >>>> it.>>>
You've made me curious Rudy. Why did you want light that rendered harsh >>> contrast in the image?>>>
Read it again. Then think before twisting my words.>
Nah, it was a honest question. If you choose not to answer....no problem.>
Ok, I bought the diffuser to soften the light and to widen the field a bit. The Canon seems to be a bit too warm, the slight blue tint of the diffuser helps correct that. You loose half an F stop.
Daniel Arrepas 12 April 2005 18:48:30 [ permanent link ]
"Rudy Benner" <rudy.benner@gmail.com> wrote in message news:115mk1e3b0ihh80@corp.supernews.com...
Ok, I bought the diffuser to soften the light and to widen the field a > bit. The Canon seems to be a bit too warm, the slight blue tint of the > diffuser helps correct that. You loose half an F stop.>
Is that better?
The question was about why you bought a strobe that projects both harsh and off-temp light........not why you bought a diffuser. But thanks for your replies anyway.
"Tony Howard" <tony@samesamediving.com> wrote in message > news:4259e78d.0@entanet...> > >
Any comments on the Sea and Sea YS-15? I'm looking into that one.>
Low output, so only use at close distances.>
With a guide number of 12, it has plenty of power underwater for *digital* > (not enough reach for film though).
With such a low UWGN, it unfortunately forces you to shoot at higher effective ISO's to compensate, as well as to get the f/stop up (for point-n-shoot, and/or to have a decent depth-of-field), which will increase the noise level, especially within sub-APS sized digital sensors found on non-dSLR's (aka point-n-shoots).
I don't shoot Sea and Sea's but I do think they make some fine underwater > strobes.
IMO, Sea&Sea makes a couple of good aftermarket lenses for the Nikonos. The rest of the stuff, no thanks.
Daniel Arrepas 13 April 2005 19:44:34 [ permanent link ]
" H. Huntzinger" <{NOSPAM-rm_to_reply}rec-scuba2005@huntzinger.com> wrote in message news:{NOSPAM-rm_to_reply}rec-scuba2005-19880B.07300113042005@news.giganews.com...> "Daniel Arrepas" <arrepas.daniel@butler-rosebury.com> wrote:
With such a low UWGN, it unfortunately forces you to shoot at higher> effective ISO's to compensate, as well as to get the f/stop up (for> point-n-shoot, and/or to have a decent depth-of-field), which will> increase the noise level, especially within sub-APS sized digital> sensors found on non-dSLR's (aka point-n-shoots).>
I don't shoot Sea and Sea's but I do think they make some fine underwater>> strobes.>
IMO, Sea&Sea makes a couple of good aftermarket lenses for the Nikonos.> The rest of the stuff, no thanks.
While I do not argue with the accuracy of your comments (in terms of generalization). I disagree with most of what you said, in the context of this conversation, for this reason: we are talking point and shoot here. Was the photographer in question using more camera/sensor/software and better glass your comments would be germane, but considering the quality of light accepted by the sensor via the lens in most point and shoots, working a bit under, if it is even necessary, which it isn't, is more than effective in creating great files for post production. Noise levels hardly enter the equation when talking about cameras of this level. There are much greater barriers to fine photography beyond the effect noise levels imply.
The YS-15 is a very good match for the C770, and in fact is probably good of a strobe for the camera in question.
" H. Huntzinger" <{NOSPAM-rm_to_reply}rec-scuba2005@huntzinger.com> wrote in message news:{NOSPAM-rm_to_reply}rec-scuba2005-D4C92F.08194514042005@news.giganews.com...> "Rudy Benner" <rudy.benner@gmail.com> wrote:>> " H. Huntzinger" <{NOSPAM-rm_to_reply}rec-scuba2005@huntzinger.com> >> wrote:>> >
My impression is that he was going for color temperature (and perhaps>> > coverage width?), but I'd like to be sure.>>
Since this was my first strobe, I had to do some research, then experimentation. The diffuser was added to the system, as well as a WAL.
First, I had to find strobes that worked with pre-flash. That narrowed down the field a bit. Then I was looking at the manner of linking, optical seemed the best choice. Guide number factored largely. Number of battery cells. Would it work with my UW housing. Adding a second strobe. Future upgrade to a better camera/housing.
The Inon system worked nicely with my Canon system. Optical linking works very well. They use a piece of film that is opaque to visible light that is taped over the strobe on the camera, the fibre optic pickup see the infrared spectrum. The Inon mimics the camera's strobe, you get accurate metering. Totally easy.
