"Chris Guynn" <chris.guynn@gmail.com> wrote in message news:YTCZd.19566$YD4.5048@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...> "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in message> news:MqCZd.11$_x.122@news.uswest.net...> > http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=578904> >
The best part is that they lost and continue to lose.> >
The second best part is that the study was done by a journalism school> within a fairly (very?) liberal college (Columbia).>
Let's see...>
Kerry negative articles... 12%> Bush negative articles... 36%>
That's 3 times as likely to be anti-bush... yep, no bias there.>
On the positive side, things were a little closer.>
Kerry positive articles... 30%> Bush positive articles... 20%>
That's only a 1.5x more positive towards Kerry. Interestingly, the
greatest> discrepancy happens you combine the stats.>
Kerry... 2.5x as likely to be positive as negative> Bush... almost 2x as likely to be negative as positive.>
AND all of that included Fox News. I wonder how slanted the numbers
become> if you take Fox out of the equation... That'd *probably* increase Kerry's> numbers in a positive way (for Kerry) and decrease Bush's numbers (more> negative towards Bush), so your divide would be even greater.
Anyone who utters, let alone puts forth, the idea that there is no liberal media bias is simply a liar.
That's only a 1.5x more positive towards Kerry. Interestingly, the>
greatest>
discrepancy happens you combine the stats.>>
Kerry... 2.5x as likely to be positive as negative>>Bush... almost 2x as likely to be negative as positive.>>
AND all of that included Fox News. I wonder how slanted the numbers>
become>
if you take Fox out of the equation... That'd *probably* increase Kerry's>>numbers in a positive way (for Kerry) and decrease Bush's numbers (more>>negative towards Bush), so your divide would be even greater.>
Anyone who utters, let alone puts forth, the idea that there is no liberal> media bias is simply a liar.>
or a fool
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Scott wrote:
"dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast.net> wrote in message> news:yICdnVStMLlNZqvfRVn-3A@comcast.com...>
or a fool>
No one can be that stupid and read.>
see also "Fishbre"
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The constitution promises freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. Think about it, It ain't that hard to figure out. If your religion is none, then deal with it.
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"dazed and confuzzed" <dedmann@comcast.net> wrote in message> > news:yICdnVStMLlNZqvfRVn-3A@comcast.com...> >
or a fool> >
No one can be that stupid and read.> >
see also "Fishbre"
and carlito nisarel.
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The constitution promises freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM> religion. Think about it, It ain't that hard to figure out. If your> religion is none, then deal with it.>
I strongly urge everyone reading this to check out WWW.anysoldier.com,> and support our troops with a letter, a package or a donation.
In article <YTCZd.19566$YD4.5048@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>, Chris Guynn <chris.guynn@gmail.com> wrote:
€ "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in message € news:MqCZd.11$_x.122@news.uswest.net... € > http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=578904 € > € > The best part is that they lost and continue to lose. € > € > € € The second best part is that the study was done by a journalism school € within a fairly (very?) liberal college (Columbia). € € Let's see... € € Kerry negative articles... 12% € Bush negative articles... 36% € € That's 3 times as likely to be anti-bush... yep, no bias there. €
Oh, what the heck. I haven't taken the bait for a while.
Did you ever consider to possibility that Bush actually generated much more negative news than Kerry? It's not bias when you're just reporting the truth.
In article <YTCZd.19566$YD4.5048@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>, Chris> Guynn <chris.guynn@gmail.com> wrote:>
€ "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in message> € news:MqCZd.11$_x.122@news.uswest.net...> € > http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=578904> € >> € > The best part is that they lost and continue to lose.> € >> € >> €> € The second best part is that the study was done by a journalism school> € within a fairly (very?) liberal college (Columbia).> €> € Let's see...> €> € Kerry negative articles... 12%> € Bush negative articles... 36%> €> € That's 3 times as likely to be anti-bush... yep, no bias there.> €>
Oh, what the heck. I haven't taken the bait for a while.>
Did you ever consider to possibility that Bush actually generated much> more negative news than Kerry? It's not bias when you're just reporting> the truth.
"Alan Street" <agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com> wrote in message news:150320050947530829%agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com...> In article <YTCZd.19566$YD4.5048@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>, Chris> Guynn <chris.guynn@gmail.com> wrote:>
? "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in message> ? news:MqCZd.11$_x.122@news.uswest.net...> ? > http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=578904> ? >> ? > The best part is that they lost and continue to lose.> ? >> ? >> ?> ? The second best part is that the study was done by a journalism school> ? within a fairly (very?) liberal college (Columbia).> ?> ? Let's see...> ?> ? Kerry negative articles... 12%> ? Bush negative articles... 36%> ?> ? That's 3 times as likely to be anti-bush... yep, no bias there.> ?>
Oh, what the heck. I haven't taken the bait for a while.>
Did you ever consider to possibility that Bush actually generated much> more negative news than Kerry? It's not bias when you're just reporting> the truth.
As a matter of fact, I did. However, the negative treatment of the Swift boat vets group versus the rumors of Air National Guard discrepancies pretty much killed that idea for me. I'd be happy to admit that it's possible that Bush produced a somewhat higher percentage of negative news during that time, but 24%? C'mon, you're surely kidding me, right?
Chris Guynn wrote:> "Alan Street" <agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com> wrote in message> news:150320050947530829%agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com...> > In article <YTCZd.19566$YD4.5048@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>, Chris> > Guynn <chris.guynn@gmail.com> wrote:> >
? "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in message> > ? news:MqCZd.11$_x.122@news.uswest.net...> > ? > http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=578904> > ? >> > ? > The best part is that they lost and continue to lose.> > ? >> > ? >> > ?> > ? The second best part is that the study was done by a journalism
school> > ? within a fairly (very?) liberal college (Columbia).> > ?> > ? Let's see...> > ?> > ? Kerry negative articles... 12%> > ? Bush negative articles... 36%> > ?> > ? That's 3 times as likely to be anti-bush... yep, no bias there.> > ?> >
Oh, what the heck. I haven't taken the bait for a while.> >
Did you ever consider to possibility that Bush actually generated
much> > more negative news than Kerry? It's not bias when you're just reporting> > the truth.>
As a matter of fact, I did. However, the negative treatment of the
Swift> boat vets group versus the rumors of Air National Guard discrepancies pretty> much killed that idea for me. I'd be happy to admit that it's possible that> Bush produced a somewhat higher percentage of negative news during that> time, but 24%? C'mon, you're surely kidding me, right?
Keep in mind, Bush was the only one actually -doing- any governing at the time to derive negative comment.
Or for the last three decades, come to think of it.
Oh well, just makes the win more and more spectacular as it goes.
In article <1110928626.682607.245280@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, Popeye <Buzcutt454@aol.com> wrote:
€ > > Oh, what the heck. I haven't taken the bait for a while. € > > € > > Did you ever consider to possibility that Bush actually generated € much € > > more negative news than Kerry? It's not bias when you're just € reporting € > > the truth. € > € > As a matter of fact, I did. However, the negative treatment of the € Swift € > boat vets group versus the rumors of Air National Guard discrepancies € pretty € > much killed that idea for me. I'd be happy to admit that it's € possible that € > Bush produced a somewhat higher percentage of negative news during € that € > time, but 24%? C'mon, you're surely kidding me, right? € € € Keep in mind, Bush was the only one actually -doing- any governing at € the time to derive negative comment. €
Ah, yes. The old "better to do something, even if it's wrong, than to be seen as indecisive."
€ Or for the last three decades, come to think of it. €
Gee, that would exclude that icon of Republican leadership, Ronnie.
€ Oh well, just makes the win more and more spectacular as it goes. €
In article <42372420.52A2@cox.net>, Crownfield <Crownfield@cox.net>> wrote:>
€ Alan Street wrote:> € >> € > In article <YTCZd.19566$YD4.5048@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>, Chris> € > Guynn <chris.guynn@gmail.com> wrote:> € >> € > € "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in message> € > € news:MqCZd.11$_x.122@news.uswest.net...> € > € > http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=578904> € > € >> € > € > The best part is that they lost and continue to lose.> € > € >> € > € >> € > €> € > € The second best part is that the study was done by a journalism school> € > € within a fairly (very?) liberal college (Columbia).> € > €> € > € Let's see...> € > €> € > € Kerry negative articles... 12%> € > € Bush negative articles... 36%> € > €> € > € That's 3 times as likely to be anti-bush... yep, no bias there.> € > €> € >> € > Oh, what the heck. I haven't taken the bait for a while.> € >> € > Did you ever consider to possibility that Bush actually generated much> € > more negative news than Kerry? It's not bias when you're just reporting> € > the truth.> €> € when it is biased, it is no longer the truth.>
Circular logic.
only to a logically lost liberal.
If it is biased, it is not the truth. truth is not biased. logically obvious. but that has never slowed a liberal.
In article <42377CD0.723B@cox.net>, Crownfield <Crownfield@cox.net> wrote:
€ Alan Street wrote: € > € > In article <42372420.52A2@cox.net>, Crownfield <Crownfield@cox.net> € > wrote: € > € > € Alan Street wrote: € > € > € > € > In article <YTCZd.19566$YD4.5048@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>, Chris € > € > Guynn <chris.guynn@gmail.com> wrote: € > € > € > € > € "Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in message € > € > € news:MqCZd.11$_x.122@news.uswest.net... € > € > € > http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=578904 € > € > € > € > € > € > The best part is that they lost and continue to lose. € > € > € > € > € > € > € > € > € € > € > € The second best part is that the study was done by a journalism school € > € > € within a fairly (very?) liberal college (Columbia). € > € > € € > € > € Let's see... € > € > € € > € > € Kerry negative articles... 12% € > € > € Bush negative articles... 36% € > € > € € > € > € That's 3 times as likely to be anti-bush... yep, no bias there. € > € > € € > € > € > € > Oh, what the heck. I haven't taken the bait for a while. € > € > € > € > Did you ever consider to possibility that Bush actually generated much € > € > more negative news than Kerry? It's not bias when you're just reporting € > € > the truth. € > € € > € when it is biased, it is no longer the truth. € > € > Circular logic. € € only to a logically lost liberal. € € If it is biased, it is not the truth. € truth is not biased. € logically obvious. € but that has never slowed a liberal.
Wrong, Bob.
I said, "it's not bias when you're just reporting the truth." You then went on to say biased reporting isn't the truth. One conclusion feeds the other, which is circular logic. I assume you're playing this game (Popeye would call it "a Jedi mind trick") because you can't refute my initial statement, and because you have no way to disprove my supposition that Bush gathered more negative reporting because there's much more negative to report about him.
In article <1110932844.878115.270900@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Popeye <Buzcutt454@aol.com> wrote:
€ Alan Street wrote: € € > € Keep in mind, Bush was the only one actually -doing- any € governing at € > € the time to derive negative comment. € > € € > € > Ah, yes. The old "better to do something, even if it's wrong, than to € > be seen as indecisive." € > € > € Or for the last three decades, come to think of it. € > € € > € > Gee, that would exclude that icon of Republican leadership, Ronnie. € € And here I thought we were reffering to Kerry. €
Three decades covers a lot of politicians, most bad.
€ > € Oh well, just makes the win more and more spectacular as it € goes. € > € > The "win"? € > € > You have a funny sense of good and bad. € € Q: Where's W? € A: The Whitehouse € € Q: Where's Kerry? € A: Who? €
I thought you meant the citizens of the USA, not the smirking chimp.
That's 3 times as likely to be anti-bush... yep, no bias there.> > >
Oh, what the heck. I haven't taken the bait for a while.> > >
Did you ever consider to possibility that Bush actually generated much> > > more negative news than Kerry? It's not bias when you're just reporting> > > the truth.> >
when it is biased, it is no longer the truth.> >
Circular logic.>
only to a logically lost liberal.>
If it is biased, it is not the truth.> truth is not biased.> logically obvious. > but that has never slowed a liberal.>
Wrong, Bob.>
I said, "it's not bias when you're just reporting the truth." You then> went on to say biased reporting isn't the truth. One conclusion feeds> the other, which is circular logic. I assume you're playing this game> (Popeye would call it "a Jedi mind trick") because you can't refute my> initial statement, and because you have no way to disprove my> supposition that Bush gathered more negative reporting because there's> much more negative to report about him.>
Care to try again
Then again, you could take off your glasses and see the fact that there IS a bit of media bias. For references, start with "rathergate"....
There may be some truth to what you state, but to deny that there is bias is beneath your reputation.
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In article <puydnVJmnKF2DarfRVn-hA@comcast.com>, dazed and confuzzed <dedmann@comcast.net> wrote:
€ > € > € > Oh, what the heck. I haven't taken the bait for a while. € > € > € > € > € > € > Did you ever consider to possibility that Bush actually generated € > much € > € > € > more negative news than Kerry? It's not bias when you're just € > reporting € > € > € > the truth. € > € > € € > € > € when it is biased, it is no longer the truth. € > € > € > € > Circular logic. € > € € > € only to a logically lost liberal. € > € € > € If it is biased, it is not the truth. € > € truth is not biased. € > € logically obvious. € > € but that has never slowed a liberal. € > € > € > Wrong, Bob. € > € > I said, "it's not bias when you're just reporting the truth." You then € > went on to say biased reporting isn't the truth. One conclusion feeds € > the other, which is circular logic. I assume you're playing this game € > (Popeye would call it "a Jedi mind trick") because you can't refute my € > initial statement, and because you have no way to disprove my € > supposition that Bush gathered more negative reporting because there's € > much more negative to report about him. € > € > Care to try again € Then again, you could take off your glasses and see the fact that there € IS a bit of media bias. For references, start with "rathergate".... € € There may be some truth to what you state, but to deny that there is € bias is beneath your reputation.
Well, as I said when I first jumped into this thread, "I haven't taken the bait for a while." Obviously I'm arguing this from an impossible position (because there *is* bias in the news media. It's just not as skewed to the left as some would like us to believe), and I never expected to win. What I really wanted to do is point out the flaws of simply counting positive and negative stories and using that as a basis for determining bias. I think I accomplished that goal, and I got to have a little fun along the way
In article <1110944262.059121.312020@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Popeye <Buzcutt454@aol.com> wrote:
€ Alan Street wrote: € € € >(because there *is* bias in the news media. It's just not as € > skewed to the left as some would like us to believe) € € And it never will be, whatever the evidence,,, € € That's why I love you, man. € € Dependable. <weg> €
"Alan Street" <agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com> wrote in message news:150320052017509555%agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com...> In article <1110944262.059121.312020@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,> Popeye <Buzcutt454@aol.com> wrote:>
? Alan Street wrote:> ?> ?> ? >(because there *is* bias in the news media. It's just not as> ? > skewed to the left as some would like us to believe)> ?> ? And it never will be, whatever the evidence,,, > ?> ? That's why I love you, man.> ?> ? Dependable. <weg>> ?>
"Alan Street" <agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com> wrote in message news:150320050947530829%agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com...
Oh, what the heck. I haven't taken the bait for a while.>
Did you ever consider to possibility that Bush actually generated much> more negative news than Kerry? It's not bias when you're just reporting> the truth.
a.. New York Times editorial, January 1, 1995: In the last session of Congress, the Republican minority invoked an endless string of filibusters to frustrate the will of the majority. This relentless abuse of a time-honored Senate tradition so disgusted Senator Tom Harkin, a Democrat from Iowa, that he is now willing to forgo easy retribution and drastically limit the filibuster. Hooray for him. . . . Once a rarely used tactic reserved for issues on which senators held passionate views, the filibuster has become the tool of the sore loser, . . . an archaic rule that frustrates democracy and serves no useful purpose. b.. New York Times editorial, March 6, 2005: The Republicans are claiming that 51 votes should be enough to win confirmation of the White House's judicial nominees. This flies in the face of Senate history. . . . To block the nominees, the Democrats' weapon of choice has been the filibuster, a time-honored Senate procedure that prevents a bare majority of senators from running roughshod. . . . The Bush administration likes to call itself "conservative," but there is nothing conservative about endangering one of the great institutions of American democracy, the United States Senate, for the sake of an ideological crusade.
"Scott" <pugetsounddiver@gmail.com> wrote in message news:9lc%d.1$SP2.132@news.uswest.net...>
"Alan Street" <agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com> wrote in message> news:150320050947530829%agstreet@nonono_san.rr.com...>
Oh, what the heck. I haven't taken the bait for a while.> >
Did you ever consider to possibility that Bush actually generated much> > more negative news than Kerry? It's not bias when you're just reporting> > the truth.>
a.. New York Times editorial, January 1, 1995:> In the last session of Congress, the Republican minority invoked an> endless string of filibusters to frustrate the will of the majority. This> relentless abuse of a time-honored Senate tradition so disgusted Senator
Harkin, a Democrat from Iowa, that he is now willing to forgo easy> retribution and drastically limit the filibuster. Hooray for him. . . .
Once> a rarely used tactic reserved for issues on which senators held passionate> views, the filibuster has become the tool of the sore loser, . . . an> archaic rule that frustrates democracy and serves no useful purpose.> b.. New York Times editorial, March 6, 2005:> The Republicans are claiming that 51 votes should be enough to win> confirmation of the White House's judicial nominees. This flies in the face> of Senate history. . . . To block the nominees, the Democrats' weapon of> choice has been the filibuster, a time-honored Senate procedure that> prevents a bare majority of senators from running roughshod. . . . The Bush> administration likes to call itself "conservative," but there is nothing> conservative about endangering one of the great institutions of American> democracy, the United States Senate, for the sake of an ideological crusade.>
Scott Scott Scott. You dropped the context. In 1995, the Republicans were in the minority. Their use of the filibuster was blocking "much needed legislation, therefore the filibustr served "no useful purpose". In 2005, the Republicans are in the majority, so the filibuster now "serves a useful purpose."