or other hard exertion? After a few sprints after my heart rate goes up to 180's, I always smell blood when I exhale. It's always been like that. Anyone else notice or experience this?
In article <IJadnUVRDvFxbOrfRVn-oA@giganews.com>, "DaKitty" <Imgonna@dotcomsomething.net> wrote:>or other hard exertion?>After a few sprints after my heart rate goes up to 180's, I always smell>blood when I exhale. [snip]
i don't smell blood when i swim. but i have never really "sprint".
i rarely run anymore. but when i was a student, sometimes i smelt blood when i ran too hard for too long & my lungs hurt. a classmate of mine was like that.
regards,
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"Man o' Tea" <dlfagan@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:1115157271.942319.93860@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...> DaKitty wrote:>
After a few sprints after my heart> > rate goes up to 180's, I always smell> > blood when I exhale.> > It's always been like that.> > Anyone else notice or experience this?>
"... it smells like ... Victory!">
Umm, no. Do you get bloody noses often?>
Almost never get a bloody nose, once every few years, maybe. Little bit of sinus problems, low grade chronic sinusitis, it's under control. No polyps. My heart rate seems to like to skyrocket rather esily, niot as esy as what I read in cases of tachicardia, but at sprints, it can go uo to high 190's, and accordong to karvonen's formula, I shouldn't go much over 180. With a year and a half of working out 4-7 times a week for 60-90 min, my resting heart rate hadn't gone much below 70. It's always been hard for me to keep it low. My coach is little puzzled, says it's not due to lack of effort. This is not new, I seem to have always had a hard time with exercise, putting in a lot of effort, and not getting as much out of it. Also had a body gem metabolic rate test done, where they figure out your caloric intake based on your oxygen consumption, and mine was 1960. Pretty high for a girl. I'm 5'9", 150 lb, 126lb lean body massm, that'sabout 18% body mass. Not anemic, not diabetic, thyroid is fine, low cholesterol (140) it's all been checked about a month ago. I have beta thallasemia trait with microcytosis. There's no info that I've been able to find about hiow that impacts exercise and performance. (Pete Sampras has similar condition) My red blood cell count was little out of range on the last test (morning, fasting), that could have been a bit of dehydration... Thinking about having a cardio pulmonary exercise stress test done, or whatever it's called.
Teres' some history of hearth arrythmia and heart attacks in my family in late 40's, not aware of any pulmonary conditions.
Okay, that's a lot of info I dumped here, I suppose in part just thinking out loud. I was thinking, nose, sinuses, lungs, digestive system...
I'll have to watch it more closely, if it always haopoens like that, yesterday when it happened, I started coughing some not too long afterwards, felt like dry congestion. Like a little asthma attack. To my knowledge, I don't have asthma, unless I have a touch of exercise induced asthma.
Okay, I think I'm rambling... When something seems broke, I keep wanting to fix it... now!
"Dr. Gee" <dr_gee2003@REMOVE.THIS.yahoo.com> wrote in message news:d59e72$4do@dispatch.concentric.net...> In article <IJadnUVRDvFxbOrfRVn-oA@giganews.com>, "DaKitty" <Imgonna@dotcomsomething.net> wrote:> >or other hard exertion?> >After a few sprints after my heart rate goes up to 180's, I always smell> >blood when I exhale. [snip]>
i don't smell blood when i swim. but i have never really "sprint".>
i rarely run anymore. but when i was a student, sometimes i smelt blood
when i> ran too hard for too long & my lungs hurt. a classmate of mine was like that.>
regards,>
Pam @ Home
Yeah, it's definitely when I'm breathing really really hard, usually after I go anaerobic.
<juanzeta@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1115171168.304782.279930@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...> I don't feel it when swimming, but sometimes when running, most times> when the air is too cold. It's more a taste of blood in the mouth.>
I remember a passage in one of the last chapters of Hemingway's "A> farewell to arms". The character Frederic Henry rows all the night> across Lake Geneva, I think, and in one moment he mentions that he> feels a taste of bile in the mouth (this was the term used in the> traslated version I read). He explains that it is because he did an> exaggerated effort.>
(Sorry for my English)>
That sounds interesting, and a lot like it. I asked a bunch of my teammates if they get the same, and they looked at me like I fell off another planet! My coach isn't sure what I'm talking about either. I dunno!
On Tue, 3 May 2005 14:49:31 -0700, "DaKitty" <Imgonna@dotcomsomething.net> wrote:
or other hard exertion?>After a few sprints after my heart rate goes up to 180's, I always smell>blood when I exhale.>It's always been like that.>Anyone else notice or experience this?>
Do you have sinusitis? I think that can lead to that smell.
DaKitty said:> My heart rate seems to like to skyrocket rather esily, niot as esy as what I > read in cases of tachicardia, but at sprints, it can go uo to high 190's, > and accordong to karvonen's formula, I shouldn't go much over 180. > With a year and a half of working out 4-7 times a week for 60-90 min, my > resting heart rate hadn't gone much below 70. It's always been hard for me > to keep it low.
My heart rate has always been a bit high. I recall a high school biology class when the teacher had us all compare rates. Everyone else was in the high 60's - low 80's. I was 104.
I don't know whether it's a small heart compensating by beating faster or what. Even today, after several years of swimming, my resting rate occasionally dips below 70. But not regularly.
I don't cough up blood - nor even smell blood - after a workout. So I don't think the two are necessarily related. Perhaps there's something in the air that's irritating your lungs? And that, during hard activity, that irritated region is bleeding slightly?
"cardarch" <doro_iams@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1115209528.736034.307820@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> Could it be the dreaded acid reflux?> nah, acid reflux tastes different. AFAIK
"Don Brady" <dbrady@pobox.com> wrote in message news:39gh71hmae4ig9qe902j3l274jdv03hlc0@4ax.com...> On Tue, 3 May 2005 14:49:31 -0700, "DaKitty" <Imgonna@dotcomsomething.net>> wrote:>
or other hard exertion?> >After a few sprints after my heart rate goes up to 180's, I always smell> >blood when I exhale.> >It's always been like that.> >Anyone else notice or experience this?> >
Do you have sinusitis? I think that can lead to that smell.
Low grade, sort of dry sinusitis. With sinusitis, wouldn't you notice it other times? Not the same as when you have a sinus infection.
"Man o' Tea" <dlfagan@earthlink.net> wrote in message> news:1115157271.942319.93860@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...>
DaKitty wrote:>>
After a few sprints after my heart>>>rate goes up to 180's, I always smell>>>blood when I exhale.>>>It's always been like that.>>>Anyone else notice or experience this?>>
"... it smells like ... Victory!">>
Umm, no. Do you get bloody noses often?>>
Almost never get a bloody nose, once every few years, maybe.> Little bit of sinus problems, low grade chronic sinusitis, it's under> control. No polyps.> My heart rate seems to like to skyrocket rather esily, niot as esy as what I> read in cases of tachicardia, but at sprints, it can go uo to high 190's,> and accordong to karvonen's formula, I shouldn't go much over 180.> With a year and a half of working out 4-7 times a week for 60-90 min, my> resting heart rate hadn't gone much below 70. It's always been hard for me> to keep it low.> My coach is little puzzled, says it's not due to lack of effort. This is not> new, I seem to have always had a hard time with exercise, putting in a lot> of effort, and not getting as much out of it.> Also had a body gem metabolic rate test done, where they figure out your> caloric intake based on your oxygen consumption, and mine was 1960. Pretty> high for a girl. I'm 5'9", 150 lb, 126lb lean body massm, that'sabout 18%> body mass.> Not anemic, not diabetic, thyroid is fine, low cholesterol (140) it's all> been checked about a month ago.> I have beta thallasemia trait with microcytosis. There's no info that I've> been able to find about hiow that impacts exercise and performance. (Pete> Sampras has similar condition) My red blood cell count was little out of> range on the last test (morning, fasting), that could have been a bit of> dehydration...> Thinking about having a cardio pulmonary exercise stress test done, or> whatever it's called.>
Teres' some history of hearth arrythmia and heart attacks in my family in> late 40's, not aware of any pulmonary conditions.>
Okay, that's a lot of info I dumped here, I suppose in part just thinking> out loud.> I was thinking, nose, sinuses, lungs, digestive system...>
I'll have to watch it more closely, if it always haopoens like that,> yesterday when it happened, I started coughing some not too long afterwards,> felt like dry congestion. Like a little asthma attack. To my knowledge, I> don't have asthma, unless I have a touch of exercise induced asthma.>
Okay, I think I'm rambling... When something seems broke, I keep wanting to> fix it... now!>
I just heard someone on another list, a vegetarian list, describe similar problems with the heartrate not going lower with conditioning, etc. (she didn't mention any taste of blood--that would be weird on a veg list). In her case, it WAS anemia. Perhaps your test was more borderline than your doc let on?
You don't munch on a few live mice at the end of a sprint, do you? That would explain the smell of blood ;) Madelaine
"Ross Bogue" <rbogue@phy.ilstu.edu> wrote in message news:rbogue-8BCD1A.12144604052005@malachite.ilstu.edu...> DaKitty said:> > My heart rate seems to like to skyrocket rather esily, niot as esy as what I> > read in cases of tachicardia, but at sprints, it can go uo to high 190's,> > and accordong to karvonen's formula, I shouldn't go much over 180.> > With a year and a half of working out 4-7 times a week for 60-90 min,
resting heart rate hadn't gone much below 70. It's always been hard for
to keep it low.>
My heart rate has always been a bit high. I recall a high school> biology class when the teacher had us all compare rates. Everyone else> was in the high 60's - low 80's. I was 104.
Have you ever been checked for tachicardia? I was reading that when the resting HR goes over 100 it's a sign of tachicardia.
I don't know whether it's a small heart compensating by beating faster> or what. Even today, after several years of swimming, my resting rate> occasionally dips below 70. But not regularly.
Last time I exercised this much it was 50.
I don't cough up blood - nor even smell blood - after a workout. So I> don't think the two are necessarily related. Perhaps there's something> in the air that's irritating your lungs?
I was wondering about that. I think it would have to be everywhere though, since it can happen anywhere. I tried hyperventilation for a while on occasion, when not exercising, to sort of mimic the rapid breathing, and I can't duplicate it. Seems like there needs to be physical strain associated.
And that, during hard> activity, that irritated region is bleeding slightly?
I'm thinking either a minor sinus bleed or a minor lung bleed, especially since I seem to get that cough afterwards.
Seems like my body is not really efficient with oxygen consumption... which might make the lungs work even harder... I dunno, I'm guessing a lot at this point.
"Madelaine" <mgd@sei.cmu.edu> wrote in message news:d5b23j$kcr$1@usenet02.sei.cmu.edu...> DaKitty wrote:>
"Man o' Tea" <dlfagan@earthlink.net> wrote in message> > news:1115157271.942319.93860@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...> >
DaKitty wrote:> >>
After a few sprints after my heart> >>>rate goes up to 180's, I always smell> >>>blood when I exhale.> >>>It's always been like that.> >>>Anyone else notice or experience this?> >>
"... it smells like ... Victory!"> >>
Umm, no. Do you get bloody noses often?> >>
Almost never get a bloody nose, once every few years, maybe.> > Little bit of sinus problems, low grade chronic sinusitis, it's under> > control. No polyps.> > My heart rate seems to like to skyrocket rather esily, niot as esy as
what I> > read in cases of tachicardia, but at sprints, it can go uo to high 190's,> > and accordong to karvonen's formula, I shouldn't go much over 180.> > With a year and a half of working out 4-7 times a week for 60-90 min, my> > resting heart rate hadn't gone much below 70. It's always been hard for
to keep it low.> > My coach is little puzzled, says it's not due to lack of effort. This is
new, I seem to have always had a hard time with exercise, putting in a
of effort, and not getting as much out of it.> > Also had a body gem metabolic rate test done, where they figure out your> > caloric intake based on your oxygen consumption, and mine was 1960.
Pretty> > high for a girl. I'm 5'9", 150 lb, 126lb lean body massm, that'sabout 18%> > body mass.> > Not anemic, not diabetic, thyroid is fine, low cholesterol (140) it's
been checked about a month ago.> > I have beta thallasemia trait with microcytosis. There's no info that
I've> > been able to find about hiow that impacts exercise and performance. (Pete> > Sampras has similar condition) My red blood cell count was little out of> > range on the last test (morning, fasting), that could have been a bit of> > dehydration...> > Thinking about having a cardio pulmonary exercise stress test done, or> > whatever it's called.> >
Teres' some history of hearth arrythmia and heart attacks in my family
late 40's, not aware of any pulmonary conditions.> >
Okay, that's a lot of info I dumped here, I suppose in part just
thinking> > out loud.> > I was thinking, nose, sinuses, lungs, digestive system...> >
I'll have to watch it more closely, if it always haopoens like that,> > yesterday when it happened, I started coughing some not too long
afterwards,> > felt like dry congestion. Like a little asthma attack. To my knowledge,
don't have asthma, unless I have a touch of exercise induced asthma.> >
Okay, I think I'm rambling... When something seems broke, I keep wanting
fix it... now!> >
I just heard someone on another list, a vegetarian list, describe> similar problems with the heartrate not going lower with conditioning,> etc. (she didn't mention any taste of blood--that would be weird on a> veg list). In her case, it WAS anemia. Perhaps your test was more> borderline than your doc let on?
I looked at the copy of my test, I always get copies. It was not anemic. That Thallasemia that I mentioned is a form of hereditary anemia though, not something that could be helped with iron or diet. It makes your red blood cells smaller (in my case - there are variations of it). They carry all the oxygen they can, they're jsut bout 80 to 90% of the normal size. My RBC was high, so it seems like there's more of them, to fill up the volume. How minor cases of it affect exercise performance is almost not documented at all. Major cases of it are a very serious condition, so the treatments address major cases. Minor cases are not life threathening, so you just live with it, and by large theu go unnoticed and undocumented. I guess. It's little frustrating not really knowing. I don't particularly want to over-stress the heart and lungs if it's of no benefit... I think constant over-stressing can lead to injury. I'm not sure though.
You don't munch on a few live mice at the end of a sprint, do you? That> would explain the smell of blood ;)
Have you ever been checked for tachicardia? I was reading that when the > resting HR goes over 100 it's a sign of tachicardia.
Almost by definition. Tachycardia is a symptom, not a disease. All it means is "rapid heart rate".
But no, my doctor has never noticed anything that was worth ordering a full cardiac test. And I've never been inclined to ask for tests that wouldn't be covered by the HMO.
The 104 resting HR was before I started swimming. I think it's closer to 70 now, and falls into the 60's at night.
I don't know the size of my red cells, but the Red Cross has never turned me down when I show up to donate blood. Whatever it is that they test with that centrifuge and that blue bottle has always come out slightly higher than average, not lower.
Last time I exercised this much it was 50.
I don't think my HR ever drops that low, not last semester and certainly not this semester. Not even while sleeping.
I normally swim 2 miles a day. (For the past several years, but not counting this semester. I've been teaching a noon class that's been interfering with my swimming this semester.)
Seems like my body is not really efficient with oxygen consumption... which > might make the lungs work even harder... I dunno, I'm guessing a lot at this > point.
Maybe that's a common point. I don't do well trying to skip breaths while I swim. It's strictly every left or every right. If I try alternating, or every other right, I fade quickly.
On Wed, 4 May 2005 10:50:04 -0700, "DaKitty" <Imgonna@dotcomsomething.net> wrote:
Do you have sinusitis? I think that can lead to that smell.>
Low grade, sort of dry sinusitis.>With sinusitis, wouldn't you notice it other times?>Not the same as when you have a sinus infection.
For me, vigorous exercise finally gets all of the cilia moving and I get a slighly bloody taste/smell at times. I have had sinus surgery a few years ago....
"Don Brady" <dbrady@pobox.com> wrote in message news:4vti71985r05inlaqojuqdb16m4e7vdrun@4ax.com...> On Wed, 4 May 2005 10:50:04 -0700, "DaKitty" <Imgonna@dotcomsomething.net>> wrote:>
Do you have sinusitis? I think that can lead to that smell.> >
Low grade, sort of dry sinusitis.> >With sinusitis, wouldn't you notice it other times?> >Not the same as when you have a sinus infection.>
For me, vigorous exercise finally gets all of the cilia moving and I get
slighly bloody taste/smell at times. I have had sinus surgery a few
years> ago....
Hmmm, now you got me thinking! I do have only partially functioning cilia due to second hand smoke (thanks dad)
"Ross Bogue" <rbogue@phy.ilstu.edu> wrote in message news:rbogue-23F4BC.14351804052005@malachite.ilstu.edu...> DaKitty said:> >
Have you ever been checked for tachicardia? I was reading that when the> > resting HR goes over 100 it's a sign of tachicardia.>
Almost by definition. Tachycardia is a symptom, not a disease. All it> means is "rapid heart rate".>
But no, my doctor has never noticed anything that was worth ordering a> full cardiac test. And I've never been inclined to ask for tests that> wouldn't be covered by the HMO.>
The 104 resting HR was before I started swimming. I think it's closer> to 70 now, and falls into the 60's at night.>
I don't know the size of my red cells, but the Red Cross has never> turned me down when I show up to donate blood. Whatever it is that they> test with that centrifuge and that blue bottle has always come out> slightly higher than average, not lower.
They won't take my blood.
Last time I exercised this much it was 50.>
I don't think my HR ever drops that low, not last semester and certainly> not this semester. Not even while sleeping.
I need to retake mine. It's been couple of months. They say to take it first thing in the morning before you get out of bed, that's your true resting heart rate (well, unless the alarm clock startled you)
I normally swim 2 miles a day. (For the past several years, but not> counting this semester. I've been teaching a noon class that's been> interfering with my swimming this semester.)>
Seems like my body is not really efficient with oxygen consumption...
which> > might make the lungs work even harder... I dunno, I'm guessing a lot at this> > point.>
Maybe that's a common point. I don't do well trying to skip breaths> while I swim. It's strictly every left or every right. If I try> alternating, or every other right, I fade quickly.
That's interesting though. I can easily not breath a few strokes and be fine during moderate aerobic efforts, like pulling on 5's or even 7's is a pisa cake for me. Normally I breathe on 3, but if I skip, it's not that big of a deal.
In article <ELGdnWDbKOPRluTfRVn-3A@giganews.com>, "DaKitty" <Imgonna@dotcomsomething.net> wrote:>
Low grade, sort of dry sinusitis.>With sinusitis, wouldn't you notice it other times?>Not the same as when you have a sinus infection.
i also have allergy also when i was little, i had bronchitis. & my lungs are on the small side. when i get cold or flu, it takes a longer time for me to heal than most. so my cardiovascular systems & lungs, sinus, are not the healthest. (one reason i swim)
for me, it seemed to come from inside (lungs) & not from sinus (which is more up). so i don't think it was sinus bleeding, more like from brochial tubes. but i never actually saw blood coming out anywhere. it was just like a smell of iron.
regards,
regards,
Pam @ Home
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"Dr. Gee" <dr_gee2003@yahoo.com.TAKE-OUT.THIS> wrote in message news:d5jts8$bdj@dispatch.concentric.net...> In article <ELGdnWDbKOPRluTfRVn-3A@giganews.com>, "DaKitty" <Imgonna@dotcomsomething.net> wrote:> >
Low grade, sort of dry sinusitis.> >With sinusitis, wouldn't you notice it other times?> >Not the same as when you have a sinus infection.>
i also have allergy also when i was little, i had bronchitis. & my lungs
on the small side. when i get cold or flu, it takes a longer time for me
heal than most. so my cardiovascular systems & lungs, sinus, are not the> healthest. (one reason i swim)>
for me, it seemed to come from inside (lungs) & not from sinus (which is
more> up). so i don't think it was sinus bleeding, more like from brochial tubes.> but i never actually saw blood coming out anywhere. it was just like a smell> of iron.
Yeah that's exactly the smell I'm talking about. I keep thinking maybe it's from sinuses, but it just doesn't seem like it. It doesn't;t seem to come from the same pace as when I have a sinus infection, seems to start at the back of my throat, I'm thinking bronchial tubes. I used to be very prone to bronchitis, up until a few years ago when I finally figured out how to watch it very closely and stop every single little cold and respiratory glitch from turning into bronchial infection. I really think I need to get a good workup on my heart and lungs, especially considering I never had one.
"DaKitty" <Imgonna@dotcomsomething.net> wrote in message news:qNgfe.11547$fI.5909@fed1read05...
At 35, my heart rate has been known to hit 200... I KNOW that's too much!> I should be getting to 185 at the most.
Thats not true Kitty. Almost all of my work with aerobic training is done with heart rates. That means season after season i pore over data from test sets, (including max heart rate tests) and set data. In one group i have right now (and this is fairly typical) 6 have heart rates above and beyond the bench mark 220-your age. Its not a product of training either.
One girl maxes out in the MaxHr test at 215, which gives her a theoretical MaxHR of 225-230. She's not remarkable in any way, but if my target heart rate for the group is around 180-190, those kids will be looking for 200-210. It doesn't have anything to do with resting heart rate either, for these kids its normal. it could be you're just one of those people. consider yourself lucky or special at least.
On Sat, 7 May 2005 21:40:16 -0700, "DaKitty" <Imgonna@dotcomsomething.net> wrote:
Yeah that's exactly the smell I'm talking about.>I keep thinking maybe it's from sinuses, but it just doesn't seem like it.>It doesn't;t seem to come from the same pace as when I have a sinus>infection, seems to start at the back of my throat, I'm thinking bronchial>tubes.>I used to be very prone to bronchitis, up until a few years ago when I>finally figured out how to watch it very closely and stop every single>little cold and respiratory glitch from turning into bronchial infection.>I really think I need to get a good workup on my heart and lungs, especially>considering I never had one.
It never hurts to check things out.
If all does check out normally, I would not worry about it.
Maybe it's old scars of some kind finally healing....Maybe it is in the sinuses, maybe it is in the lungs...Maybe it's normal for a little blood to leak and most people do not notice it.....Maybe there are some small veins that can burst .....
I have a feeling that nobody will really be able to say......
In my own case, I get a feeeling that whatever it is, it is more healthy than unhealthy and is probably a part of some healing process....(As I mentioned I did have sinus surgery a few years ago and my sinuses are getting better and better right now.....)
