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Andy Nield 16 March 2005 22:51:11
 Hennings' post on the egg thread about using mirrors, reminded me of a
question I had a while back and then forgot about...

Does anyone use mirrors for sculling, and if so do they help?

I know they don't look as cool as oakleys, but I thiought they might be
useful for head races if you don't know the river. To help not hit
anything, and to take the best line.

Maybe a bow mounted camera with a waterproof flat screen display mounted
behind the speedcoach would be an idea... :)­

Anyone used mirrors, and are they worth bothering with for head races?



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Oarsman 16 March 2005 23:27:05 permanent link ]
 Seems like its only the 50 and over crowd that uses them on the
Charles. Some people swear by them. My doubles partner for the Head
of the Charles used one in the captain's seat. He guided us on a
beautiful course to victory using it. The most impressive thing that
he did was to keep the bouy line under our riggers as we approached the
Elloit bridge. The down side to the mirrors is that some rely too much
on the mirror and never do a "look around."



Andy Nield wrote:> Hennings' post on the egg thread about using mirrors, reminded me of
question I had a while back and then forgot about...>
Does anyone use mirrors for sculling, and if so do they help?>
I know they don't look as cool as oakleys, but I thiought they might
useful for head races if you don't know the river. To help not hit> anything, and to take the best line.>
Maybe a bow mounted camera with a waterproof flat screen display
mounted> behind the speedcoach would be an idea... :)­>
Anyone used mirrors, and are they worth bothering with for head
races?

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Guest 16 March 2005 23:44:00 permanent link ]
 
Andy Nield wrote:> Hennings' post on the egg thread about using mirrors, reminded me of
question I had a while back and then forgot about...>
Does anyone use mirrors for sculling, and if so do they help?>
I know they don't look as cool as oakleys, but I thiought they might
useful for head races if you don't know the river. To help not hit> anything, and to take the best line.>
Maybe a bow mounted camera with a waterproof flat screen display
mounted> behind the speedcoach would be an idea... :)­>
Anyone used mirrors, and are they worth bothering with for head
races?

I've got a headband mirror from Potomac Rowing that I can't get used
to.
It's yours for $10 + shipping.

Doug

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Henning Lippke 17 March 2005 00:43:49 permanent link ]
 
Anyone used mirrors, and are they worth bothering with for head races?

I have one. I always thought it unneccessary until Peter Ording (LM1x
World Champion) came to my town and I saw him using one. I asked him
what it's like and he only needed a few minutes to convince me of the
usefulness.

From my experience, the mirror is very useful on a stretch of water you
know. You don't have to interrupt your rowing by lucking over your
shoulder, a slight turning of the head is sufficient.
Basically the mirror only allows you to spot an obstacle in the way, and
only allows for navigation if you know the area.

If you don't know the stretch of water or more boats are in front of
you, it becomes quite confusing and you have to look around to get all
information about where the others are travelling.

The mirror is completely useless on open water without strict traffic
patterns (eg most lakes).

Finally, the mirror does not do the lookout for you. If you are prone
to go into some kind of a trance while rowing, you shouldn't use it as
you will probably feel too safe (and never look).
I also sometimes find myself looking at my bow most of the time, which
makes for a perfect navigation & obstacle awareness, but is certainly
not recommended for good rowing.

BTW, I now use the Kijkom 'Heads-Up' mirror
http://www.kijkom.n­l/

-HL
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A. P. Thorsen 17 March 2005 01:33:31 permanent link ]
 Andy Nield wrote:>
Does anyone use mirrors for sculling, and if so do they help?>

I've not used one in a race, but have in training. The one I have has a
fairly broad field of vision, but (given the size of the thing) that
means it's not very good for seeing small stuff. You can see boats or
banks relatively easily, but not (say) a tree branch floating in the
water. It can be difficult to distinguish between several
similarly-colored boats, because details are tiny.

You do still have to turn your head a bit to see a full width of river,
but needn't turn as far.

It takes quite a period of getting adjusted to, so I'd definitely work
with it in training *extensively* before trying to use it in a race.
Until you're quite familiar with its use, you can have blind spots and
not realize it.

If you're not familiar with the river, and are trying to use the mirror
to figure out a line without much advance scouting, I have my doubts.
Maybe after a good deal of practice use . . . .

In a buoyed course, if the the buoys are quite visible (large and/or
bright), or tjere are easily-followed lines of closely-spaced buoys, the
mirror would probably be of some help. If you go to some small/poorly
funded races like I do, with longish intervals between smallish buoys,
the mirror may not do much for you.

. . . and these may be one of those "some love 'em, some don't" things!

Ann T.
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Paul V Smith 17 March 2005 05:43:07 permanent link ]
 
Henning Lippke wrote:> > Anyone used mirrors, and are they worth bothering with for head
races?>
I have one. I always thought it unneccessary until Peter Ording (LM1x
World Champion) came to my town and I saw him using one. I asked him> what it's like and he only needed a few minutes to convince me of the
usefulness.>
From my experience, the mirror is very useful on a stretch of water
know. You don't have to interrupt your rowing by lucking over your> shoulder, a slight turning of the head is sufficient.> Basically the mirror only allows you to spot an obstacle in the way,
only allows for navigation if you know the area.>
If you don't know the stretch of water or more boats are in front of> you, it becomes quite confusing and you have to look around to get
information about where the others are travelling.>
The mirror is completely useless on open water without strict traffic
patterns (eg most lakes).>
Finally, the mirror does not do the lookout for you. If you are prone
to go into some kind of a trance while rowing, you shouldn't use it
you will probably feel too safe (and never look).> I also sometimes find myself looking at my bow most of the time,
which> makes for a perfect navigation & obstacle awareness, but is certainly
not recommended for good rowing.>
BTW, I now use the Kijkom 'Heads-Up' mirror> http://www.kijkom.n­l/>
-HL

And if you can't give up your Oakleys, there was a solution for that
too. I tried a pair of glasses with those installed one day and it was
surprising how well you could see as long as there are no flowing locks
in the way, a problem neither you nor I have. [:o)

- Paul Smith

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Tsetse 21 March 2005 07:48:12 permanent link ]
 
"A. P. Thorsen" <apt77dontsendspam@­hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d1a8nj$7g1$1@m­sunews.cl.msu.edu...­> Andy Nield wrote:>>
Does anyone use mirrors for sculling, and if so do they help?>>
I am purely a recreational rower (Martin Trainer) here on one of the
by-ways of the Chesapeake Bay. I use a mirror sold in bicycle shops, which
in my opinion gives you good vision, and certainly enables you to see any
object in the water, no matter how small. Whether or not they are of
benefit to serious rowers, in races, I have no idea, but they are a
life-saver in restricted waters, where there are docks, eel pot bouys, etc.,
etc. Otherwise, you spend a good portion of your time in neck-twisting.
(Also, they are a boon to older rowers, for whom neck-twisting is usually
accompanied by strange crunching sounds!)

EMcC


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Eberhard Nabel 21 March 2005 14:00:59 permanent link ]
 "Tsetse" <eck@intercom.net> wrote in message news:<113sgvkkoptt7­51@corp.supernews.co­m>...
I am purely a recreational rower

So am I.

I have some problems with a small mirror, which can be fixed to my
eye-glasses. It is vibrating and always in my field of vision. For me
that type of mirror is hard to accommodate to.

Fortunately I use a sliding rigger boat (Virus Turboskiff), so my head
is more or less in a fixed position in respect to the boat. That
allows using a motor bike mirror clamped to the gunwhale - a
construction which works only to some extent in a sliding seat boat.
In sliding seat boats I used to have the mirror fixed to the pin of
the oarlock.

The glass of the mirror must be uncoloured. Otherwise some objects may
be overseen due to poor (colour) contrast. As the field of vision is
relatively small other craft crossing the own course may be overseen.
Otherwise, you spend a good portion of your time in neck-twisting. > (Also, they are a boon to older rowers, for whom neck-twisting is usually > accompanied by strange crunching sounds!)>

True. I never go without mirror. It helps a lot.

Eberhard
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