I have an A-5 with JCS dual trigger and a J&J Ceramic. Anyway, when I> start firing the gun fest, the paint goes all over the place,> reguardless of the barrel. Like the balls go up and down, left and> right. Not necessarily curving, just moving. I am unsure of what is> causing this. I think a LPR kit will fix this problem, for more> consistent pressure, but I wanted to hear what others in here thought> of the problem first. Thanks.>
Yes sir, RPS Rampage I believe. The balls are not curving, just they> will move left or right, up down, I think it also might be caused by> the blowback, but I am not entirely sure. I was just wondering if you> guys thought a regulator would help solve this.
Nope, It's not a regulator issue. It's either bad paint, or bad aiming.
On 18 May 2005 22:18:10 -0700, "John Comma Smith" <OneEyedPimp@gmail.com> wrote:
Jesse Felt wrote:>> of course, this may seem stupid, but KISS right?>>
Are you shooting good paint?>>
John Comma Smith wrote:>> > Hey all,>> >
I have an A-5 with JCS dual trigger and a J&J Ceramic. Anyway, when>I>> > start firing the gun fest, the paint goes all over the place,>> > reguardless of the barrel. Like the balls go up and down, left and>> > right. Not necessarily curving, just moving. I am unsure of what is>> > causing this. I think a LPR kit will fix this problem, for more>> > consistent pressure, but I wanted to hear what others in here>thought>> > of the problem first. Thanks.>> >
Yes sir, RPS Rampage I believe. The balls are not curving, just they>will move left or right, up down, I think it also might be caused by>the blowback, but I am not entirely sure. I was just wondering if you>guys thought a regulator would help solve this.
1. Believe it or not it could still be your paint. If they have bad fill or have been out in the sun for awhile and baked. What happens is the fill is lopsided within the ball and it causes the shift/wobble after it leaves the barrel. Think of it as spinning an egg on the counter top. You can easily tell if it is hard boiled or raw by if it stays where it is or if it moves all over the place. Dimples, rough seams, oblong shell and call can cause similar effects. Just because you have a certain brand name paint doesn't mean you don't have seconds.
What I mean it happens all the time. A paint dealer will give a store a break on the price of the paint with the understanding that the paint is to be sold cheaper than usual as it is a run off batch. Which means it is probably an over run or the culls of a manufacturing run. The only problem with this is that some store owners are less than informing and sell it still at a premium price. There was even a stink once about a dealer providing so called competition red that was that way. Believe me I know it happens. I have some friends that called the area salesman to find out about paint when they see a large problem at a particular field that I know this happens at a lot. The only reason they go to this field is because it is large and they go for the shear pleasure of playing jerks.
2. Otherwise it could be your velocity, either air or spring. I have an A-5 w/flatline, E-Grip (tweaked as much as can be), 6 stage expansion chamber,vertical adapter, pro seal bolt, spring kit, ricochet hopper and a rear velocity adjuster(adjusts the spring tension). With the pro seal bolt (more air efficient than the stock bolt) I have to screw my side velocity adjuster (air chamber) almost all the way in. With the temperature variances during the so called winter in Florida I put the rear thumb velocity adjuster on it so I could instantly adjust the velocity on the field to keep my paintballs going straight. I still use CO2 and during the day from the 40-55 degree mornings to the 75-85 degree afternoons I would have to constantly bring out the allen wrench to adjust. This also caused the air chamber to practically but turned off. I don't mind getting air refills but it is embarrassing to be shooting true in the morning and then be throwing nothing but curve balls in the afternoon until I visit the chrono tent again. CO2 definitely changes with temperature and ROF. I can easily ice mine anywhere up to about 70 degrees. Figure it out The expansion chamber makes a difference but I added the little thumb adjuster as they are fairly cheap and I can instantly change the velocity. My marker likes to be around 270-280 for the flatline to perform as it should. I never chop with halfway decent paint and adjusted properly.
The only time I have chopped a ball back into my cyclone feeder is when I was firing field paint which a lot of times is seconds and I got an oblong oversized ball in the port. The reason I know this is because the next one in the feeder was the same way. I quit buying paint from that particular field (actually quit going there all together) and the field that I regularly visit sells paint very reasonably and I pay the extra $5 for that case of 2000 to get the good stuff. Needless to say I rarely chop (maybe once every couple of game days. If I do with the flatline it is not chopped the ball gets ripped and I can shoot through it and keep going.
As they also mention it could be your aiming/firing techniques. If the barrel is walking around when you fire there you go.
I have an A-5 (check link below) and it weighs 4.5 pounds (heavy to some) without the air on it. I like the weight though as if it was any lighter I would have a problem of forgetting the thing was in my hands. It also eludes to better control if you think about it.
On 19 May 2005 10:34:36 -0700, "John Comma Smith" <OneEyedPimp@gmail.com> wrote:
LCT Paintball wrote:>> > Yes sir, RPS Rampage I believe. The balls are not curving, just>they>> > will move left or right, up down, I think it also might be caused>by>> > the blowback, but I am not entirely sure. I was just wondering if>you>> > guys thought a regulator would help solve this.>>
Nope, It's not a regulator issue. It's either bad paint, or bad>aiming.>
Probaly the latter. I have trouble keeping the gun still while it is>firing. It seems to have a bit more kick than I am used to, probably>just have to get used to it.
With a little coaxing he answered his own question Good luck. Chin-ups and push-ups may help
just joking.
Joking aside, The A-5 kicks like a real gun so enjoy.
"John Comma Smith" <OneEyedPimp@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1116524076.524151.273310@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...> Probaly the latter. I have trouble keeping the gun still while it is> firing. It seems to have a bit more kick than I am used to, probably> just have to get used to it.
WHOA, hold up a minute there, chief... a paintball gun has too much KICK for you to handle? Sounds like we need to consider a third option... you might need to SERIOUSLY start hitting the gym, because if a paintball gun's kick is too much to control, Charles Atlas you are NOT...
-- Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info It's not a god complex when you're always right
On Thu, 19 May 2005 15:15:03 -0400, "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote:
"John Comma Smith" <OneEyedPimp@gmail.com> wrote in message>news:1116524076.524151.273310@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...>> Probaly the latter. I have trouble keeping the gun still while it is>> firing. It seems to have a bit more kick than I am used to, probably>> just have to get used to it.>
WHOA, hold up a minute there, chief... a paintball gun has too much KICK>for you to handle? Sounds like we need to consider a third option... you>might need to SERIOUSLY start hitting the gym, because if a paintball gun's>kick is too much to control, Charles Atlas you are NOT...
Go easy guys, Do you think that Sylvester Stallone fired that M60 machine gun with one hand at the end of that one movie. Remember Stallone was 5' 9", 185-190lbs during that movie. It is a wonder what people think they can do and what is the actuality of it all. M60 (24.5lbs, approx 4-5lbs of ammo=28-29lbs of weight) in one arm and firing something with a bolt that will actually punch through a human skull. I have seen people have misfeeds in it and the bolt cut right through the round w/out slowing. If Sylvester did it without an arm brace at his size, I know why he was yelling as it was tearing his arm apart. I heard the rumor that he could not even use that arm for a couple of days after the shooting of that scene. I have carried M60's for several hundred miles (you don't want to go there and know the truth about the feasibility of it.
What I am saying is this kid is honest, unlike so many others so please consider that before he loses some ribs (from the ribbing). he knows what he has to do.
"John Comma Smith" <OneEyedPimp@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1116532535.787793.193330@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...>
Jeff Goslin wrote:>> "John Comma Smith" <OneEyedPimp@gmail.com> wrote in message>> news:1116524076.524151.273310@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...>> > Probaly the latter. I have trouble keeping the gun still while it> is>> > firing. It seems to have a bit more kick than I am used to,> probably>> > just have to get used to it.>>
WHOA, hold up a minute there, chief... a paintball gun has too much> KICK>> for you to handle? Sounds like we need to consider a third option...> you>> might need to SERIOUSLY start hitting the gym, because if a paintball> gun's>> kick is too much to control, Charles Atlas you are NOT...>>
-->> Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info>> It's not a god complex when you're always right>
It is not that it has too much kick, just when I fire it really fast,> it is hard to keep the balls in a tight pattern. Like Mr. Goodman said.>
Like they say it has a big bolt and that is why I have not switched from CO2. I can snag about a 5-8 inch group at about 125-150ft with no wind and taking my time.
On Thu, 19 May 2005 21:49:53 GMT, "LCT Paintball" <nospampleasemnotlyon@mchsi.com> wrote:
Joking aside, The A-5 kicks like a real gun so enjoy.>
Yea, if you consider a 22 a real gun. >
Yea, size does not matter to me as it does not matter when it kicks to me it is just the fact that it did. The last time I went to the range and fired a 22 long rifle I had to ask the guy next to me if it fired. I messed up my hearing a little bit in the service and literally have trouble hearing it. In my hands the 22 has no kick whatsoever
Like they say it has a big bolt and that is why I have not switched> from CO2. I can snag about a 5-8 inch group at about 125-150ft with> no wind and taking my time.
"Hardtime" <hardtime11@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3vqp81hkcf657khhafme1iob248a3l7us3@4ax.com...> On Thu, 19 May 2005 15:15:03 -0400, "Jeff Goslin"> <autockr@comcast.net> wrote:>
"John Comma Smith" <OneEyedPimp@gmail.com> wrote in message>>news:1116524076.524151.273310@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...>>> Probaly the latter. I have trouble keeping the gun still while it is>>> firing. It seems to have a bit more kick than I am used to, probably>>> just have to get used to it.>>
WHOA, hold up a minute there, chief... a paintball gun has too much KICK>>for you to handle? Sounds like we need to consider a third option... you>>might need to SERIOUSLY start hitting the gym, because if a paintball >>gun's>>kick is too much to control, Charles Atlas you are NOT...>
Go easy guys,> Do you think that Sylvester Stallone fired that M60 machine gun with> one hand at the end of that one movie. Remember Stallone was 5' 9",> 185-190lbs during that movie. It is a wonder what people think they> can do and what is the actuality of it all. M60 (24.5lbs, approx> 4-5lbs of ammo=28-29lbs of weight) in one arm and firing something> with a bolt that will actually punch through a human skull.
ok.
you are talking about a movie prop gun, that has no need of live ammunition or for the correct amount of powder for each round, for that matter.
have you ever seen the chain gun in the predator movie? impossible to hold in real life.that is also a prop gun.
lets keep the reality/fantasy world in perspective, shall we?
On 19 May 2005 16:04:39 -0700, "John Comma Smith" <OneEyedPimp@gmail.com> wrote:
What I am saying is this kid is honest, unlike so many others so>> please consider that before he loses some ribs (from the ribbing).>he>> knows what he has to do.>
Ribbing?
Yes, I have been monitoring this group for a long time before I began posting and it has gotten heavy as of late and I don't want to scare the younglings. With the name of rec.sport.paintball it is a helpful forum/group. I understand that people want to have fun and welcome people to pick on me as I consider the source if you know what I mean.
"John Comma Smith" <OneEyedPimp@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1116532535.787793.193330@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...> > WHOA, hold up a minute there, chief... a paintball gun has too much> KICK> > for you to handle? Sounds like we need to consider a third option...> you> > might need to SERIOUSLY start hitting the gym, because if a paintball> gun's> > kick is too much to control, Charles Atlas you are NOT...>
It is not that it has too much kick, just when I fire it really fast,> it is hard to keep the balls in a tight pattern. Like Mr. Goodman said.
First things first: Lighten up, Francis. It's called a joke.
Second, I guess I've never been terribly affected by the kick of *ANY* paintball gun. Then again, I have never gotten used to the way electros fire(so effortlessly), so maybe it's just that I always subconsciously compensate without even realizing it. I guess what I'm trying to say is that *I* don't have a problem keeping a tight grouping, even with the biggest kicking paintball guns around, which, in my experience, is the VM68. The Tippmann, by comparison, has a feather kick to it.
-- Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info It's not a god complex when you're always right
"Hardtime" <hardtime11@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3vqp81hkcf657khhafme1iob248a3l7us3@4ax.com...> round w/out slowing. If Sylvester did it without an arm brace at his> size, I know why he was yelling as it was tearing his arm apart. I> heard the rumor that he could not even use that arm for a couple of> days after the shooting of that scene. I have carried M60's for
You ... ARE aware that they use BLANKS when they shoot in movies, right? That's pretty much the only reason he could hold the thing and fire it with one arm without it getting away from him. Just FYI.
What I am saying is this kid is honest, unlike so many others so> please consider that before he loses some ribs (from the ribbing). he> knows what he has to do.
Yeah, yeah, I know, but honestly, if he can't take some good natured ribbing, he's in the wrong place. ;)
-- Jeff Goslin - MCSD - www.goslin.info It's not a god complex when you're always right
On Thu, 19 May 2005 19:28:00 -0400, "Jeff Goslin" <autockr@comcast.net> wrote:
"Hardtime" <hardtime11@hotmail.com> wrote in message>news:3vqp81hkcf657khhafme1iob248a3l7us3@4ax.com...>> round w/out slowing. If Sylvester did it without an arm brace at his>> size, I know why he was yelling as it was tearing his arm apart. I>> heard the rumor that he could not even use that arm for a couple of>> days after the shooting of that scene. I have carried M60's for>
You ... ARE aware that they use BLANKS when they shoot in movies, right?>That's pretty much the only reason he could hold the thing and fire it with>one arm without it getting away from him. Just FYI.
Yes I know that they fire blanks (still full powder though) but they had to do some serious work on that barrel to get it to flash and still move the bolt back. the bolt moves about 11.5 inches during it's forward movement with a spring that takes most people 2 hands to place not to mention it still uses a gas chamber and assist to move it back to complete the cycle. The military has to use a large blank adapter on the end of the barrel to get it to function w/blanks and then there is no flash as all gases and explosive charge remain in the barrel to reload. So either way it will still bust an arm.
It does look cool the way the movies did it but Sylvester is a runt . Now Arnold on the other hand was over 6ft tall an at least 270lbs. He I would believe would not have much problem and on a late night talk show he still admitted that it kicked worse than a mule.
What I am saying is this kid is honest, unlike so many others so>> please consider that before he loses some ribs (from the ribbing). he>> knows what he has to do.>
Yeah, yeah, I know, but honestly, if he can't take some good natured>ribbing, he's in the wrong place. ;)
That is true, I just like to stand in for the little guy, it's my nature . And it was his first post with full honesty and sincerity (very little of it nowadays) and he get's hit by several right off of the bat . Now that he has seen it and knows about it, have fun.
(Jeff Goslin <autockr@comcast.net> uttered> I guess what I'm trying to say is that *I* don't have a problem> keeping a tight grouping, even with the biggest kicking paintball> guns around, which, in my experience, is the VM68.
You find that thing kicks a lot? I find that Spyders and clones tend to jump around more in my hands, mostly because the VM is a freakin' anvil. I get the feeling that if you were to put a VM68 on the floor and give it a good swift kick, it would remain absolutely still, whereas any other marker would go skittering away.
(Not recommended, of course.)
Rick -- key CF8F8A75 / print C5C1 F87D 5056 D2C0 D5CE D58F 970F 04D1 CF8F 8A75 I don't know why hon. members keep doing this to me. :The Speaker
Ok, while all these other idiots keep debating it probably comes down to either of the following things. Either your paint is bad i.e. old, dimpled, poor quality. Or it's just a bad paint to barrel match. You can have very good quality paint and a really good barrel but if the paint is too small for the barrel it isn't going to fly straight. I use an A-5 with various Smart Parts barrels. Lately I have just been using a 14" Progressive one piece. Some days the paint match's perfectly and the marker shoots very accurate. Other days the paint is not a good match or there are some dimples and the paint is all over the place. Here's another thing, I think sometimes there are just bad batches of paint that happen at the factory during production.
As far as a LPR kit. A Tippmann tech told me the only thing it will really help with is gas efficiency.
In article <1116864347.408579.282130@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>, "pukindog" <pdscteam@aol.com> wrote:
that's one of the reasons I love 22s. No fatiguing kick. That and the> price of the ammo.. Hey, are saying a 22 isn't a real gun
If you don't already have one, pick up an SKS. $150 for a good Yugo, very little kick, and 7.62x39 is around $60-70 a case (1000rnd) for factory ammo. Nice intermediate cartridge for a fraction of the price of anything else. (I'm carrying two to my grandparent's place this weekend for Memorial Day. And a case of real Texas beer, since all they can get is 3.2 beer in OK.)
-- Phelps <http://www.donotremove.net> "Bury me with all my stuff, because you know that it is mine." -- Master Shake's Suicide Note, "Aqua Teen Hunger Force"
"Phelps" <phelpscatcher@attbi.com> wrote in message newshelpscatcher-74D3F6.12121327052005@news-ia.supernews.net...> In article <1116864347.408579.282130@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,> "pukindog" <pdscteam@aol.com> wrote:>
that's one of the reasons I love 22s. No fatiguing kick. That and the> > price of the ammo.. Hey, are saying a 22 isn't a real gun >
If you don't already have one, pick up an SKS. $150 for a good Yugo,> very little kick, and 7.62x39 is around $60-70 a case (1000rnd) for> factory ammo. Nice intermediate cartridge for a fraction of the price> of anything else. (I'm carrying two to my grandparent's place this> weekend for Memorial Day. And a case of real Texas beer, since all they> can get is 3.2 beer in OK.)>
-- > Phelps <http://www.donotremove.net>> "Bury me with all my stuff, because you know that it is mine."> -- Master Shake's Suicide Note, "Aqua Teen Hunger Force"
I love Yugo SKS's. Really cool design. I just hate it because, since I live in Kalifornia, they took off the grenade launcher. Not that I have any grenades, just it was really cool looking.
