1st: NCState (d. Swat 15-10, d Pitt 12-11, d Illinois 15-12, d GT 15-11) 2nd: GaTech (d. Rutgers 10-6, d Okla 13-7, d MSU 15-10, l NCSt 11-15) 3: Illinois (d. LSU 10-8, d Tenn 15-4, l NCSt 12-15) 3: MSU (d Chici 11-9, d Mich 12-11, l GT 10-15)
5-8: Oklahoma (d Minn 13-12, l GT 7-13) Michigan (d Purdue 12-11, l MSU 11-12) Pitt (d BU 5-15, l NCSt 11-12) Tennessee (d UGA 11-4, l Illinois 4-15)
9: UGA (l Tenn 4-11, d WuStL, d Emory 15-4, d Indiana 15-11) 9: Chico State (l MSU 9-11, d MIT 10-7, d Purdue 15-3, d Minn 15-9) 11: Indiana (d BU, d Davidson 12-8,l UGA 11-15) 11: Minnesota (l OK 12-13, d Elon, d UMass 15-14, l Chico 9-15) 13 Davidson (d Swarthmore 13-1, l Indiana 8-12, d Emory 11-10) 13: Purdue (l Mich 11-12, d GWU 12-9, l Chico 3-15, d UMass 13-12) 15: Emory (d LSU forfeit, l UGA 4-15, l Davidson 10-11) 15: UMass (d Rutgers, l Minn 14-15, l Purdue 12-13) 17/19 Swat (l NCSU 10-15, l Davidson 1-13)/WUStL (l UGA) 17: GWU (l Purdue 9-12, d MIT 12-7, d Elon 15-9) 19: Elon (l Minn, d Rutgers forfeit, l GWU 9-15) 21: BU (l Tenn 4-11, l Indiana) 21: MIT (l Chico 7-10, l GWU 7-12) 23: LSU (l Illinois) 23: Rutgers (l GT 6-10, l UMass)
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1: NCState (d Florida, d UGA, d Purdue) 2: Purdue (d Mich 15-5, d UNC 13-10, l NCSt) 3: UNC (d Indiana 15-6, l Purdue 10-13) 3: UGA (d Yale 15-0, l NCSt)
5: Michigan (d Del 9-7, l Purdue 5-15, d Ind forfeit, d Fla 12-11) 6: Florida (d GWU 13-7, l NCSt, d Yale 13-5, l Mich 11-12) 7: Yale (d Emory 9-7, l UGA 0-15, l Fla 5-13) 8: Indiana (d Roch 10-8, l UNC 6-13, l forfeit)
9: Delaware (l Mich 7-9, d Emory, d GWU 14-13) 10: GWU (l Fla 7-13, d Rochester 10-6, l Del 13-14) 11: Rochester (l Indiana 8-10, l GWU 6-10) 11: Emory (l Yale 7-9, l Del)
teddy wrote:> 1st: NCState (d. Swat 15-10, d Pitt 12-11, d Illinois 15-12, d GT 15-11)> 2nd: GaTech (d. Rutgers 10-6, d Okla 13-7, d MSU 15-10, l NCSt 11-15)> 3: Illinois (d. LSU 10-8, d Tenn 15-4, l NCSt 12-15)> 3: MSU (d Chici 11-9, d Mich 12-11, l GT 10-15)>
5-8:> Oklahoma (d Minn 13-12, l GT 7-13)> Michigan (d Purdue 12-11, l MSU 11-12)> Pitt (d BU 5-15, l NCSt 11-12)> Tennessee (d UGA 11-4, l Illinois 4-15)>
9: UGA (l Tenn 4-11, d WuStL, d Emory 15-4, d Indiana 15-11)> 9: Chico State (l MSU 9-11, d MIT 10-7, d Purdue 15-3, d Minn 15-9)> 11: Indiana (d BU, d Davidson 12-8,l UGA 11-15)> 11: Minnesota (l OK 12-13, d Elon, d UMass 15-14, l Chico 9-15)> 13 Davidson (d Swarthmore 13-1, l Indiana 8-12, d Emory 11-10)> 13: Purdue (l Mich 11-12, d GWU 12-9, l Chico 3-15, d UMass 13-12)> 15: Emory (d LSU forfeit, l UGA 4-15, l Davidson 10-11)> 15: UMass (d Rutgers, l Minn 14-15, l Purdue 12-13)> 17/19 Swat (l NCSU 10-15, l Davidson 1-13)/WUStL (l UGA)> 17: GWU (l Purdue 9-12, d MIT 12-7, d Elon 15-9)> 19: Elon (l Minn, d Rutgers forfeit, l GWU 9-15)> 21: BU (l Tenn 4-11, l Indiana)> 21: MIT (l Chico 7-10, l GWU 7-12)> 23: LSU (l Illinois)> 23: Rutgers (l GT 6-10, l UMass)>
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1: NCState (d Florida, d UGA, d Purdue)> 2: Purdue (d Mich 15-5, d UNC 13-10, l NCSt)> 3: UNC (d Indiana 15-6, l Purdue 10-13)> 3: UGA (d Yale 15-0, l NCSt)>
5: Michigan (d Del 9-7, l Purdue 5-15, d Ind forfeit, d Fla 12-11)> 6: Florida (d GWU 13-7, l NCSt, d Yale 13-5, l Mich 11-12)> 7: Yale (d Emory 9-7, l UGA 0-15, l Fla 5-13)> 8: Indiana (d Roch 10-8, l UNC 6-13, l forfeit)>
9: Delaware (l Mich 7-9, d Emory, d GWU 14-13)> 10: GWU (l Fla 7-13, d Rochester 10-6, l Del 13-14)> 11: Rochester (l Indiana 8-10, l GWU 6-10)> 11: Emory (l Yale 7-9, l Del)
"Cap rules (can't ever be mentioned too many times). One horn: start the round. Two horn blows: soft cap. Finish point add 2. Will happen 20 minutes before the next round. Three horn blows: time cap. Finish point and game is over unless tied. 5 minutes before next round."
In quarters Pitt was up 11-9 on NC State. During play that point, the three horn cap blows (this is labeled a 'time cap' above, but is referred to as a 'hard cap' by the UPA [VA2C]). NC State scores the goal to make the score Pitt 11 -NC State 10 . At this point I go over to the two observers b/c the game should be over. They insist that it is still a game to 12 (as they had deemed it correctly under the soft cap earlier). The TD is not in sight, the observers and State want to get the game moving (observer's still insisting I'm wrong on the cap rules, saying that they did not play the cap rule I was stating on Saturday). State gets the turn, Snoke throws an upwind huck goal, then they get the downwinder to win 12-11.
After the game the TD agrees with us, but we arent about to go into semi's winning that way. It was pretty frustrating that the observers didnt know the cap rules. I dont mean to call them out, because they were just volunteering, and I was glad to have observers for the couple games that we did have them. Additionally, this being our first time to Terminus we loved it and hope to come back in the future. This was just a really frustrating situation for a 16 seed who thought that they had made semi's.
Congrats to NC State, they came through in the end and battled back after we jumped out to a lead. Thanks to Teddy and everyone at AFDC for a well run tournament, and thanks to the observers for honestly trying their best and just making an honest mistake.
Just posting the rules from the 10th since people don't seem to know them. Also, PLEASE note that there are timeouts in cap according to the UPA rules. They are only removed if the tournament gets rid of them. -Brody
UPA 10th edition: a.. Caps: Maximum score limits imposed before or during a game to limit the time required to declare a winner. The game ends when one team's score first reaches the cap. 1.. A SOFT CAP is a maximum score limit imposed before the event 2.. A TIME CAP is a maximum score limit imposed during a game once a predetermined time of play has elapsed and after the current scoring attempt is completed. 3.. A HARD CAP is the ending of the game once a predetermined time of game has elapsed and after the current scoring attempt is completed. If the score is tied, the teams play until one additional goal is scored. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
<SeanMcComb@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1110852776.634267.33200@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...> another "huh?" situation from Terminus:>
Tournament cap rules from TD:>
"Cap rules (can't ever be mentioned too many times).> One horn: start the round.> Two horn blows: soft cap. Finish point add 2. Will happen 20 minutes> before the next round.> Three horn blows: time cap. Finish point and game is over unless tied.> 5> minutes before next round.">
In quarters Pitt was up 11-9 on NC State. During play that point, the> three horn cap blows (this is labeled a 'time cap' above, but is> referred to as a 'hard cap' by the UPA [VA2C]). NC State scores the> goal to make the score Pitt 11 -NC State 10 . At this point I go over> to the two observers b/c the game should be over. They insist that it> is still a game to 12 (as they had deemed it correctly under the soft> cap earlier). The TD is not in sight, the observers and State want to> get the game moving (observer's still insisting I'm wrong on the cap> rules, saying that they did not play the cap rule I was stating on> Saturday). State gets the turn, Snoke throws an upwind huck goal, then> they get the downwinder to win 12-11.>
After the game the TD agrees with us, but we arent about to go into> semi's winning that way. It was pretty frustrating that the observers> didnt know the cap rules. I dont mean to call them out, because they> were just volunteering, and I was glad to have observers for the couple> games that we did have them. Additionally, this being our first time> to Terminus we loved it and hope to come back in the future. This was> just a really frustrating situation for a 16 seed who thought that they> had made semi's.>
Congrats to NC State, they came through in the end and battled back> after we jumped out to a lead. Thanks to Teddy and everyone at AFDC> for a well run tournament, and thanks to the observers for honestly> trying their best and just making an honest mistake.>
just had to get out a little frustration there...>
Three horn blows: time cap. Finish point and game is over unless tied.> 5> minutes before next round."
After the game the TD agrees with us, but we arent about to go into> semi's winning that way.
No, you won the way you were supposed to under the cap rules--the same as every other team playing would have won in the same situation. What happened after your win to screw things up has nothing to do with it.
It was pretty frustrating that the observers> didnt know the cap rules. I dont mean to call them out, because they> were just volunteering,
Not an excuse for such an incompetent call. Of course, I've no idea why you went to the observers as the game was over. If there was doubt on part of the opposing team, that's what the TD is for (and if the TD isn't readily available, you go look for him).
