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Re: Advice sought re buying a new bike. (incl which brands have what reputations)
Peter Clinch 21 February 2005 19:48:30
	RonSonic wrote: Bikes require maintenance. More complex bikes require more maintenance. Though it's worth emphasising that this is complexity at the user level, not the underlying engineering level. A derailleur is mechanically much simpler than a multi-speed hub, but since there isn't really much that can be done at the /user/ level (change up, change down, maybe move a toggle chain in or out a notch and that's about /it/) the hub is effectively a simple thing. Ditto hub brakes and dynamos, which just sit there and work on request rather than needing constant fiddling. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Alan Braggins 21 February 2005 20:24:21 [ permanent link ]
	In article <svsj11d86ipjso4apr9e0meaoc7eiijaue@4ax.com>, RonSonic wrote:>On 18 Feb 2005 09:24:52 -0800, "ship" <shiphen@yahoo.com> wrote:>>1. HUB GEARS.> Look, I'm mid 40s, medium build and pretty fit. I dont like breaking>>sweat going to work, but I cycle hard and once I get going I often only>>wear a shirt on upper body, even in mid winter!>> But I do NOT like fat-arsed women wearing many layers of clothing>>over-taking me, apparently without even breaking sweat!>>Okay so it only happens rarely... but IT SHOULDNT HAPPEN AT ALL!!> It ain't the bike. Could be - he did say "I suspect the breaks may have been dragging". Changing the gearbox isn't the answer to being overtaken when you leave the handbrake on though.
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Tom Sherman 22 February 2005 07:01:09 [ permanent link ]
	Alan Braggins wrote: Could be - he did say "I suspect the breaks may have been dragging".> Changing the gearbox isn't the answer to being overtaken when> you leave the handbrake on though. I have witnessed people riding tandems with bar-end mounted drag brakes unintentionally have the brake on. -- Tom Sherman - Earth
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Mark McNeill 22 February 2005 15:30:10 [ permanent link ]
	Response to Tom Sherman:> > Changing the gearbox isn't the answer to being overtaken when> > you leave the handbrake on though.> I have witnessed people riding tandems with bar-end mounted drag brakes > unintentionally have the brake on. I Have A, Um, Friend who once took the trike to the supermarket, loaded it up with a ton of shopping, and cycled home with the spoon brake still on, rubbing the tread off the rear tyre. Mind you, it's only about half a mile from the supermarket to my house, though. My, Um, Friend's house, I mean. -- Mark, UK. "There was never a century nor a country that was short of experts who knew the Deity's mind and were willing to reveal it."
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Dkahn400 22 February 2005 15:48:33 [ permanent link ]
	RonSonic wrote: Now when you get a grip on the fact that you are a mechanically> inept and maintenance-challenged commuter you will just go get> that commuter bike and be happy. Jeez, Ron, no need to be over-sensitive. Give it to him straight. -- Dave...
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Clive George 22 February 2005 16:20:57 [ permanent link ]
	I have witnessed people riding tandems with bar-end mounted drag brakes> unintentionally have the brake on. BTDT cheers, clive
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James Annan 22 February 2005 16:39:56 [ permanent link ]
	Clive George wrote: I have witnessed people riding tandems with bar-end mounted drag brakes>>unintentionally have the brake on.> BTDT> Just in case anyone important is reading, I'd just like to say that I have never ever done that. James
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Dave Larrington 22 February 2005 20:29:20 [ permanent link ]
	ship wrote: ==> Re: recyclined riding position> I've seen these things and I think they are one of the most dangerous> things> I've ever seen. You cant be seen and you cant see anyone else.> Absolute suicide! And lets face it, being run over by a double decker> bus is even> worse for my spine... ;^) Ah! That explains the number of times I've been killed in the > twenty-two years that I've been riding them, in ten countries and two continents, in conditions as varied as central London and the Nevada desert... -- Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ World Domination? Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the floor and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine)
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David Damerell 22 February 2005 21:20:42 [ permanent link ]
	begin quoting Tom Sherman <tsherman@qconline.com>:>Alan Braggins wrote:>>Could be - he did say "I suspect the breaks may have been dragging".>>Changing the gearbox isn't the answer to being overtaken when>>you leave the handbrake on though.>I have witnessed people riding tandems with bar-end mounted drag brakes >unintentionally have the brake on. A bogus as bogus can be test suggests, empirically, you can expect this to happen once every 500 miles. "Hey, Robin, is the brake on?" -- David Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> flcl? Today is Leicesterday, February.
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Simon Brooke 22 February 2005 21:36:45 [ permanent link ]
	in message <1109083577.714429.49400@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, ship ('shiphen@yahoo.com') wrote: Out of interest though, how much time how often SHOULD I be spending> cleaning & adjusting my bike? I cycle atleast 10-15 miles/day. How> often> should I clean the chain / how often should I be cleaning & adjusting> derailers etc With a derailleur setup, commuting on dirty roads, it's going to need a clean, lube and adjust once a week at least. With a hub-gear setup and a full chain case, once every three months or so should do. Obviously if you have the hub gear but no chain case then your chain is still exposed to all the filth of the roads, but a hub gear chain is both more robust and less cruelly treated than a derailleur chain so once a fortnight would probably do. -- simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/ ;; not so much a refugee from reality, more a bogus ;; asylum seeker
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Ship 23 February 2005 01:31:38 [ permanent link ]
	To be fair if you had been killed then would you be talking to me? ERGO only the lucky ones are still alive, kicking & chatting on this NG! Ship PS Does yours have a wiggly flag flying to show motorised vehicle drivers where you are? PPS Who goes faster you are the conventional cyclists?
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Ship 23 February 2005 02:33:24 [ permanent link ]
	Not necessarily. I have rapidfire and that changes up to 5 gears at a time. It depends on the model. You may be happier with gripshift. Interesting. When you say it changes up to 5 gears at at time, do I take it that you're going pump-pump-pump-pump-pump five times in rapid succession... and that the chain them snakes straight over five at once? Or is there some clever switch that goes "gimme five" ?! Ship Shiperton Henethe
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David Martin 23 February 2005 02:52:11 [ permanent link ]
	ship wrote:>>Not necessarily. I have rapidfire and that changes up to 5 gears at a> time. It depends on the model. You may be happier with gripshift.> Interesting. When you say it changes up to 5 gears at at time, do I> take> it that you're going pump-pump-pump-pump-pump five times in rapid> succession... and that the chain them snakes straight over five at> once?> Or is there some clever switch that goes "gimme five" ?! My thumb. I push in once, a short way, and it will change one gear. If I push in a bit further it changes two gears. The maximum change I can get is five gears in one push. That does me fine on a normal MTB cassette. ..d
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Davek 23 February 2005 02:52:44 [ permanent link ]
	ship wrote:> New Scientish Interesting typo. Says it all. d.
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Ship 23 February 2005 03:14:29 [ permanent link ]
	Cool - I Like it! Is there a technical term for this kind of gear changing action? Are they very expensive? (No one mentioned this type of thing in a shop so far... maybe they'll be overly pricey - or heck maybe most Shimano derailers can nowadays do this for all I know. But thanks that sounds like what I need for stop starting in town.) Ship
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Ship 23 February 2005 03:24:14 [ permanent link ]
	At 20mph (a good speed on the flat if you can get there) the difference sitting up would make in my experience is: drops -> hoods, drop 1.5 mph hoods -> top of bars drop 2 mph sit right up no hands drop another 1.5mph>>> Ah now we're getting somewhere! That's interesting. Except I'm not sure I understand the tech terms. "Drops" means dropped handlebars, right? the racing style handlebards... okay. What are "hoods" - some bit of gear racing bikes have that you can stick your hands on ? And so adding it up you're saying that going from Drops to having your hands on the top of the handle bars costs you 3.5 MPH - that is from say 20MPH right down to 16.5 MPH. Well, you're the expert... I guess you have a speedometer on the bike right? But I do find that AMAZING! But yeah, maybe that's the reality. What about tyres then - medium fat smooth to very thin tyres. Both pumped up rock hard... how many MPH?! (@20-ish MHP) A
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Ship 23 February 2005 03:26:35 [ permanent link ]
	Cheap points! Pedantic ones at that - particularly from someone who doesnt think his own name is important enough to capitalise... ! ;^) Stay cool bruv Ship Shiperton Henethe
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RonSonic 23 February 2005 04:53:01 [ permanent link ]
	On 22 Feb 2005 15:24:14 -0800, "ship" <shiphen@yahoo.com> wrote: At 20mph (a good speed on the flat if you>can get there) the difference sitting up would make in my experience>is:> drops -> hoods, drop 1.5 mph>hoods -> top of bars drop 2 mph>sit right up no hands drop another 1.5mph>>>> Ah now we're getting somewhere!>That's interesting.>Except I'm not sure I understand the tech terms.> "Drops" means dropped handlebars, right?>the racing style handlebards... okay. Drops is the bottom of the drop bars What are "hoods" - some bit of gear racing bikes have>that you can stick your hands on ? The top of the brake lever mounts. And so adding it up you're saying that going from Drops>to having your hands on the top of the handle bars costs you>3.5 MPH - that is from say 20MPH right down to 16.5 MPH. If not more. Well, you're the expert... I guess you have a speedometer>on the bike right? But I do find that AMAZING! But yeah, maybe>that's the reality. That's the facts, jack. What about tyres then - medium fat smooth to very thin tyres.>Both pumped up rock hard... how many MPH?! (@20-ish MHP) Trivial. Depending on the roads. If they're rough enough or unpaved the fat ones will be faster. Ron
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Tom Sherman 23 February 2005 04:57:48 [ permanent link ]
	Mark McNeill wrote: Response to Tom Sherman:> Changing the gearbox isn't the answer to being overtaken when>>>you leave the handbrake on though.>> I have witnessed people riding tandems with bar-end mounted drag brakes >>unintentionally have the brake on.> I Have A, Um, Friend who once took the trike to the supermarket, loaded > it up with a ton of shopping, and cycled home with the spoon brake still > on, rubbing the tread off the rear tyre.> Mind you, it's only about half a mile from the supermarket to my > house, though. My, Um, Friend's house, I mean. My trike [1] has an elastic band on the handlebar for a parking brake. [1] < http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/Dragonflyer/df2.jpg >. -- Tom Sherman - Earth
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Tom Sherman 23 February 2005 05:06:40 [ permanent link ]
	RonSonic wrote: ...> My other big theme lately, one of those that makes the red mist form over my> vision, are accusations of bigotry, prejudice and intolerance by people who are> perfectly comfortable with their own local form of small-mindedness, bigotry and> xenophobia. But that's another thread.... Campy vs. Shimano. Presta vs. Schrader. Greased vs. non-greased tapers. Clincher vs. tubular. Recumbent vs. upright. Hub brakes vs. rim brakes. Internal gears vs. derailleurs. Steel vs. aluminum alloy vs. titanium alloy vs. carbon fiber composite. Cup and cone vs. cartridge bearings. "jim beam" vs. Jobst Brandt. -- Tom Sherman - Earth
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Tom Sherman 23 February 2005 05:16:54 [ permanent link ]
	RonSonic wrote: ...First throw out the cross-chain positions big/big and little/little.... These combinations work just fine when the distance from the BB spindle to the rear axle is 132-cm. -- Tom Sherman - Earth
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Tom Sherman 23 February 2005 05:51:31 [ permanent link ]
	RonSonic wrote: ...> More like 1.5mph going from the hoods to a tuck. Much more than that if going> from an upright position to a tuck. I live in a perfectly flat region with> hellish winds, I know about aerodynamics.... Then you ride a bike like mine: <http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/sunset/Sunset001.jpg>? -- Tom Sherman - Earth
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Ambrose Nankivell 23 February 2005 09:31:18 [ permanent link ]
	ship wrote:> Cheap points!> Pedantic ones at that - particularly from someone who doesnt> think his own name is important enough to capitalise... ! ;^)> Stay cool bruv It was an amusing typo. No slur on the typoee intended, I'm sure. A
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David Martin 23 February 2005 12:38:22 [ permanent link ]
	On 23/2/05 12:53 am, in article apln11huc7f4q78nh6acahaku6m32vjuhs@4ax.com, "RonSonic" <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: What about tyres then - medium fat smooth to very thin tyres.>> Both pumped up rock hard... how many MPH?! (@20-ish MHP)> Trivial. Depending on the roads. If they're rough enough or unpaved the fat> ones> will be faster. On smooth tarmac, 38mm slick to semi slick, lose 1 mph. To knobblies, lose 4 mph. I did swap my slicks for knobblies this morning, but that was down to the snow and ice, and the knobblies having metal studs in.. ..d
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Davek 23 February 2005 14:11:32 [ permanent link ]
	Ambrose Nankivell wrote:> It was an amusing typo. No slur on the typoee intended, I'm sure. Precisely. The point being that I wouldn't trust the credibility of anything the New Scientist says. d.
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Dave Larrington 23 February 2005 15:20:54 [ permanent link ]
	ship wrote: PS Does yours have a wiggly flag flying to show motorised vehicle> drivers where you are? The trike (which rarely gets used for commuting) does, but since my grate frend gNick told me it was next to useless I haven't bothered with it. PPS Who goes faster you are the conventional cyclists? Usually me when I'm on the one I use most often - this one <URL: http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/images/speedmachine/BrightonCrit02.jpg> only with a different tailbox and no wheel discs - except for the dangerously fit bloke on the slick-shod Cannondale MTB. -- Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ World Domination? Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the floor and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine)
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Dave Larrington 23 February 2005 15:40:25 [ permanent link ]
	Tom Sherman wrote: Campy vs. Shimano.> Presta vs. Schrader.> Greased vs. non-greased tapers.> Clincher vs. tubular.> Recumbent vs. upright.> Hub brakes vs. rim brakes.> Internal gears vs. derailleurs.> Steel vs. aluminum alloy vs. titanium alloy vs. carbon fiber> composite. Cup and cone vs. cartridge bearings.> "jim beam" vs. Jobst Brandt. Tom Sherman vs. Ed Dolan? -- Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ World Domination? Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the floor and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine)
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RonSonic 23 February 2005 18:56:59 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:45:18 -0600, Tom Sherman <tsherman@qconline.com> wrote: Mike Kruger wrote:> "Tom Sherman" <tsherman@qconline.com> wrote in message>> news:38230pF5k21iuU1@individual.net...>> RonSonic wrote:>>> ...>>>>My other big theme lately, one of those that makes the red>> mist form over my>> vision, are accusations of bigotry, prejudice and>> intolerance by people who are>> perfectly comfortable with their own local form of>> small-mindedness, bigotry and>> xenophobia. But that's another thread....>>> Campy vs. Shimano.>>>Presta vs. Schrader.>>>Greased vs. non-greased tapers.>>>Clincher vs. tubular.>>>Recumbent vs. upright.>>>Hub brakes vs. rim brakes.>>>Internal gears vs. derailleurs.>>>Steel vs. aluminum alloy vs. titanium alloy vs. carbon fiber>> composite.>> Cup and cone vs. cartridge bearings.>>>"jim beam" vs. Jobst Brandt.>>> How did you forget hlmt versus no hlmt?>> Or have you been filtering out subject lines with that word in>> them so long that you've forgotten the hlmt rantings?> Discussing hlmts is like discussing the clgcl mpct of mntn >bkng with Mk* Vndm*n. Okay, now for the big battles: Betty or Veronika? Ginger? Maryann? Ron
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Tom Sherman 24 February 2005 05:14:22 [ permanent link ]
	Simon Brooke wrote: ...> <sigh> I really don't want to have to get into pelvic anatomy as well in> this thread, but what causes those injuries is soft saddles which allow> your soft parts to sink into the saddle an consequently get crushed. On> a /correctly fitting/ hard saddle you sit on your ischeal tuberosities> and there's no weight at all on your genitals. So if you're choosing a> softer saddle to reduce injury you're going exactly the wrong way about> it. So you have one of these saddles on your bike <http://www.sheldonbrown.com/real-man.html>? -- Tom Sherman - Earth
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Tom Sherman 24 February 2005 05:20:30 [ permanent link ]
	RonSonic wrote: ...> Okay, now for the big battles:> Betty or Veronika? Who? Ginger? Maryann? This thread is the only reason why I know who Ginger and Mary Ann are <http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/browse_frm/thread/3adce2b7395cf13e/033376b66c876906?q=ginger+maryann&_done=%2Fgroup%2Falt.rec.bicycles.recumbent%2Fsearch%3Fgroup%3Dalt.rec.bicycles.recumbent%26q%3Dginger+maryann%26qt_g%3D1%26searchnow%3DSearch+this+group%26&_doneTitle=Back+to+Search&&d#033376b66c876906>. -- Tom Sherman - Earth
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Tom Sherman 24 February 2005 05:25:45 [ permanent link ]
	Dave Larrington wrote: Tom Sherman wrote:> Campy vs. Shimano.>>Presta vs. Schrader.>>Greased vs. non-greased tapers.>>Clincher vs. tubular.>>Recumbent vs. upright.>>Hub brakes vs. rim brakes.>>Internal gears vs. derailleurs.>>Steel vs. aluminum alloy vs. titanium alloy vs. carbon fiber>>composite. Cup and cone vs. cartridge bearings.>>"jim beam" vs. Jobst Brandt.> Tom Sherman vs. Ed Dolan? I have heard that one really annoys people. However, I believe Mr. Ed has left the building. -- Tom Sherman - Earth
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S o r n i 24 February 2005 05:31:41 [ permanent link ]
	RonSonic wrote: Okay, now for the big battles:> Betty or Veronika? "Veronika"??? You reading /Commie/ versions of Archie comix, Comrade?!? (Everyone knows Midge was the hottest, Betty the most...um, well, sweetest, and Veronica had the killerest rack.) Ginger? Maryann? M-A had the cut-off shorts; 'nuff said. Culturedly Yours, BS
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