I have in mind that "Farmer John" and the "pressure suit"> together...sides of hips are covered, knees and shins are covered,> shoulders and elbows are covered, even the spine...cool!>
I'd only use them in wintertime, underneath a simple turtleneck...that,> and the exercise, should keep me plenty warm!>
So how good is body armor in general? Are they like helmets, a one-use> affair? (Not likely, but hey, what do I know.) Think of your worst> bike accident ever. Would armor have helped you any?>
And where can I get them chrome German helmets? Want 'em in chrome> since that's so damned reflective -- and of course I'd only use them in> winter time.>
Very silly. Body armour will not protect you in the least from being collected by 1.5 tonnes of metal doing whatever speed, you will be very very dead. The army-style helmets are designed to protect your nut from shrapnel-type fragments, not cushion it when it hits the ground or something equally solid, hard. If you don't like your inherent vulnerability, you have no alternative but to become a cager yourself with your own land barge. Which of course sucks. Cheers,
I have in mind that "Farmer John" and the "pressure suit">> together...sides of hips are covered, knees and shins are covered,>> shoulders and elbows are covered, even the spine...cool!>>
I'd only use them in wintertime, underneath a simple>> turtleneck...that, and the exercise, should keep me plenty warm!>>
So how good is body armor in general? Are they like helmets, a>> one-use affair? (Not likely, but hey, what do I know.) Think of>> your worst bike accident ever. Would armor have helped you any?>>
And where can I get them chrome German helmets? Want 'em in chrome>> since that's so damned reflective -- and of course I'd only use them>> in winter time.>>
Very silly. Body armour will not protect you in the least from being> collected by 1.5 tonnes of metal doing whatever speed, you will be> very very dead. The army-style helmets are designed to protect your> nut from shrapnel-type fragments, not cushion it when it hits the> ground or something equally solid, hard. If you don't like your> inherent vulnerability, you have no alternative but to become a cager> yourself with your own land barge. Which of course sucks.> Cheers,
Cager? This is bicycles we're talking about, buddy. -- Phil, Squid-in-Training
Compare and contrast ice skaters... people doing serious roughty tufty stuff (hockey) use body armour and helmets, people doing stuff where the odd collision and spill with others involved in a heap is likely (short track) wear helmets, people who don't fall over much, and/or don't have much chance of banging their head (speed, recreational & and figure) don't wear anything except the minimum to keep off cold and wind.
Similarly with bikes, mad downhill MTB: body armour; technical trails MTB, racing in packs: helmet; typical use, no need for anything.
An addendum is that 'bent racers on lowracers are often seen wearing elbow guards. I use skaters' wrist guards on my unicycle. And if you're worried about slipping off on ice in winter then don't get body armour, get a trike...
Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
I have in mind that "Farmer John" and the "pressure suit">together...sides of hips are covered, knees and shins are covered,>shoulders and elbows are covered, even the spine...cool!>
I'd only use them in wintertime, underneath a simple turtleneck...that,>and the exercise, should keep me plenty warm!
Yikes, what sort of insane riding do you do - but - only ride like that in the winter? In the summer you pedal along multi use trails - but cold weather brings out the downhill animal?
NYC XYZ wrote: [elbow guards]> You know, I was wondering about that, too...I'd use 'em for normal> riding, when I use the rest of my equipment, but I wonder if they> interfere much with grasping handlebars, etc.
No particular problems with elbow pads (or a shinpad on the forearm is also sometimes seen), but they're just a PITA to put on and off every time you're on a bike and they're less comfortable than when they're not there. Wristguards limit manual dexterity a fair bit, I can't think why I'd want them on the 'bent.
People get killed and injured every day using stairs or just tripping over on pavement, but nobody much seems to feel a need for armour to do that. Same /should/ apply to bikes.
Yeah, but I want to ride on city streets, too.
So it's okay to fall off a bike in the city, but not to use a trike? Sorry, not with your reasoning there!
Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
I have in mind that "Farmer John" and the "pressure suit">>>together...sides of hips are covered, knees and shins are covered,>>>shoulders and elbows are covered, even the spine...cool!>>>
I'd only use them in wintertime, underneath a simple>>>turtleneck...that, and the exercise, should keep me plenty warm!>>>
So how good is body armor in general? Are they like helmets, a>>>one-use affair? (Not likely, but hey, what do I know.) Think of>>>your worst bike accident ever. Would armor have helped you any?>>>
And where can I get them chrome German helmets? Want 'em in chrome>>>since that's so damned reflective -- and of course I'd only use them>>>in winter time.>>>
Very silly. Body armour will not protect you in the least from being>>collected by 1.5 tonnes of metal doing whatever speed, you will be>>very very dead. The army-style helmets are designed to protect your>>nut from shrapnel-type fragments, not cushion it when it hits the>>ground or something equally solid, hard. If you don't like your>>inherent vulnerability, you have no alternative but to become a cager>>yourself with your own land barge. Which of course sucks.>>Cheers,>
Cager? This is bicycles we're talking about, buddy.
I take it you just skimmed the OP's paragraph?
Greg
-- "All my time I spent in heaven Revelries of dance and wine Waking to the sound of laughter Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons
On 2 Mar 2006 08:46:10 -0800, "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thing I'm curious about is whether they "really work" -- think of your>worst-ever bike accident: would body armor have helped any?
No. Abrasions and minor bruises were not the issue.
Werehatrack wrote:>> For their intended use, they can be worthwhile. On the street in NYC,>> I think it's likely to attract EBWF wannabe attention, which would>> produce exactly the opposite result from what you want.>
What's EBWF?
Extreme Backyard Wrestling F(fill in your preferred word ending here).
A plain stahlhelm can be had from a number of sources online, and>> usually costs about $50 to get chromed, after which you get to rivet>> that support stuff back in. (No, I will not sell you mine.) They>> make rotten riding gear. Hot in the summer, cold in the winter,>> heavy, and terrible protection from impact with large objects.>
Well, definitely not "Stahl" (steel), but that type, yes.
To chrome it, you must have steel. There is no other choice. (Well, there is, but do you want to pay for the extra steps to polish and prep a nonmetallic surface for chroming? It often triples the cost, if you can even find a shop that will try.)
I'll be>wearing a balaclava in winter, anyway -- Outdoor Research's excellent>excellent Gorilla Balaclava, which is user-customizable -- but I>thought the reflective chrome would be a modest safety feature.
Nope. It's the other way around. Chrome is almost camo in most settings; it reflects the background, and blends in amazingly well. How many times have you been in a room that had an entire wall that was a mirror, and not realized there was a wall present? There's a reason why road crews wear blaze orange or that new fluoroputrescent green. To be visible, be *different*. Reflection guarantees that you'll look largely the same as the surroundings.
But if they don't offer impact protection...then it's out of the>question! I find it odd, however, that a steel helmet should offer>less than a styrofoam one?!?!?!???
It absorbs none of the impact, transmitting all of it through. It has knobby bits on the inside where the support stuff attaches. The only thing it may help with is distribution of force in the case of a localized impact, as from the prow of an old Pontiac, but in that case, you're probably toast anyway.
It seldom gets that cold here, sorry.>
What's your 20?
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"NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1141275774.200235.200510@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...> So, anyone have any experience with these?>
I have in mind that "Farmer John" and the "pressure suit"> together...sides of hips are covered, knees and shins are covered,> shoulders and elbows are covered, even the spine...cool!>
I'd only use them in wintertime, underneath a simple turtleneck...that,> and the exercise, should keep me plenty warm!>
So how good is body armor in general? Are they like helmets, a one-use> affair? (Not likely, but hey, what do I know.) Think of your worst> bike accident ever. Would armor have helped you any?>
And where can I get them chrome German helmets? Want 'em in chrome> since that's so damned reflective -- and of course I'd only use them in> winter time.>
In article <62qd02lc0ro849m8vjr4fjgbot5vebd2dm@4ax.com>, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 18:02:16 +1100, ray <ferret57@optusnet.com.au>> wrote:>
Very silly. >
For some times of use -- certain types of mountain biking ....
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Last summer when hiking the mountains of Nelson, B.C., (a mecca for extreme MTBers), it was quite a revelation to encounter these storm troopers on wheels. Adorned head to foot in polymer plates, with full faced helmets, bash rings, 8" of suspension front and back - they more resembled moto-crossers than cyclists. But I was in awe of their technical skill - truly impressive!
These guys were hurtling down trails - forget pedalling uphill, the bikes were too heavy to battle gravity - that made for difficult hiking. 6+ foot drops, mud, knee high boulders, turns so tight they required front wheel hops - one mistake and you could literally ride off the edge of the mountain to the hereafter. And yet, down they went, just another day at the office. Amazing!
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