"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message news:fuefb6$e7d$1@registered.motzarella.org... [...]
I have known several large GRR and Tour Easy (TE) [2] riders, and none of
them have had a problem with breaking rear axles. A couple of specialist
recumbent dealers direct their heaviest customers towards the Easy Racers
bikes, as they are one of the most suitable long-wheel base designs for
these riders.
Large riders only look right on long wheelbase recumbents. They look like clowns on short wheelbase recumbents. Mr. Sherman needs to post a picture of himself on some website (like the fabled Harry Brogan of ARBR) and then I will advise him what kind of recumbent he should be on. I won't even charge him anything for my counsel - just part of My Saintliness! [...]
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
Mike Jacoubowsky 15 April 2008 20:56:02 [ permanent link ]
| The Shimano cassette freehub design is limited to a 10mm threaded | axle. There are other variations, but at the expense of strength in | the ratchet-- and they top out at 12mm. I have broken 10mm cassette | hub axles (7-speed). I have also broken 9.5 and 10mm freewheel hub | axles, but I have never broken a larger diameter unthreaded hub | axle. | | Phil freewheel hubs use a 15mm smooth axle. Up to 19mm is | hypothetically feasible, since a Shimano-type freewheel spline allows | that diameter. Even accounting for drive side overhang, a 15mm smooth | axle outclasses a 10mm threaded axle.
Your experience is exceptionally-rare. I do not recall ever seeing a broken cassette hub axle, aside from one that someone rode so loose that it became worn through. I will concede that the 15mm Phile axle goes beyond even that. But I would not suggest to someone that a Phil hub is an answer to a problem that doesn't exist (worrying about breaking a cassette hub axle).
"Chalo" <chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote in message news:648636c8-cfea-485f-a587-f3346d97471a@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... | Donald Gillies wrote: | > | > Chalo writes: | > > | > >[Phil freewheel hubs offer] a larger and stronger axle, | > | > How can this be true? The right-side bearing of a freewheel hub is | > unsupported - its 30-35mm in from the dropouts, making it far more | > vulnerable to pedaling torques. I am not aware of anyone breaking | > 9-speed or 10-speed freehub axles ... anyone? Anyone???? | | The Shimano cassette freehub design is limited to a 10mm threaded | axle. There are other variations, but at the expense of strength in | the ratchet-- and they top out at 12mm. I have broken 10mm cassette | hub axles (7-speed). I have also broken 9.5 and 10mm freewheel hub | axles, but I have never broken a larger diameter unthreaded hub | axle. | | Phil freewheel hubs use a 15mm smooth axle. Up to 19mm is | hypothetically feasible, since a Shimano-type freewheel spline allows | that diameter. Even accounting for drive side overhang, a 15mm smooth | axle outclasses a 10mm threaded axle. | | > >and a more robust ratcheting mechanism that is cheaper and | > >easier to replace. | > | > I am not sure this is true. There existed in the past 4-pawl | > freewheels specifically for tandem application, indicating that 2-pawl | > freewheels were failure-prone on tandems. | | I can only speak from my experience with equipment I have used and | serviced. I have messed up cassettes and gearhubs, but not freewheels | (despite most of my miles being on freewheel-equipped bikes). The | multispeed freewheels I've used include various Suntour, Shimano, | Sachs-Maillard, SunRace, and Falcon models in 5, 6, and 7-speed | versions. | | It stands to reason that cassette ratchets would not be as hardy as | their freewheel equivalents-- not only is the torque applied through a | smaller radius, but the structure holding back the expansion of the | pawls is much less rigid. Compare the outer shell of a freehub body | to the outer shell of any freewheel body. From what I have seen, the | pawls themselves are more or less equivalent between the two types. | | > And, I understood from | > Sheldon Brown's website, concerning upgrade from uniglide to | > hyperglide freehubs, that Shimano freehub ratchet mechanisms are | > widely available?? So ratchet mechanism replacements are simple? Is | > that a falsehood ?? | | To replace the ratchet mechanism of a freewheel hub, you simply | replace the freewheel. You unscrew it with a spline tool and mount a | new one. This operation costs at least $10 for a new freewheel. | Usually I pay $20 for a new 11-34 7-speed freewheel. In the process, | I get all new freewheel bearings and sprockets along with a new | ratchet. | | For a cassette freehub, you have to remove the cassette lockring (a | slightly fussier operation involving a chain whip and a different | spline tool) and the cassette sprockets, then remove the hub axle and | bearings, then use a 10mm hex key or a special spline tool to remove | the freehub body. Replace the freehub body; clean, regrease, and | adjust the axle bearings; and replace the sprockets and lockring. It | looks like the parts cost of this operation starts at approximately | $20 for a freehub body. The new freehub body comes with new bearings | and pawls, but the sprockets must be replaced separately at much | greater cost. | | Chalo
Mike Jacoubowsky 15 April 2008 21:00:01 [ permanent link ]
| Having ten sprockets doesn't allow _anything_ that can't be done just | as well with seven sprockets in the same overall range (besides wreck | your rear wheel).
*Your* experience based on *your* riding style. Some of us are far pickier about the cadence we wish to use at any particular time. I was much happier when 9-speed cassettes came along than with the prior 8-speed systems, yet find very little advantage (over the range I use, which is 12-27) with a 10. But I look forward to someone coming up with a 12-29, which would give me gearing "gaps" I can deal with and the range I would prefer. 7-speed systems, to me, wouldn't accomplish that.
"Chalo" <chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote in message news:bb94d37b-a004-4fe2-9724-918f6a8e5af7@u3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... | russellseaton1 wrote: | > | > Donald Gillies wrote: | > > | > >Chalo writes: | > > > | > > >If you were going to run a 9 or 10-speed cassette, it's still | > > >comparable. So far, there has been no expansion of gearing range | > > >offered by higher sprocket counts. | > | > Is gearing range a problem? Is there a need to expand it? How much | > lower of a low do you need than a 34 rear cog? | | That, like everything, depends on the application. But there are | plenty of folks who would use wider ranging gearing and lower lows if | they were available. All the pedicabbers I know fall into that | category. | | > 34 is available in | > 7-8-9-10 cassettes and/or freewheels. | | I wasn't aware that 10 speed clusters were offered with larger | sprockets than 27t or whatever it is that Shimano and Campy see fit to | produce. | | > Its apparent you are arguing for a wider gear range just because | > it can be done even though it has no purpose. And you condemn 9-10 | > speed cassettes for not doing something pointless. Bizarre. | | There are identifiable, quantifiable benefits to wider gearing. Maybe | not for you, but for folks who actually use their bikes and trikes for | things. For cargo bikers, velomobilists, railbikers, and electric- | assist bikers, wider gearing is obviously useful-- that is, it will | allow them to do things that can't be done, or can't be done with a | reasonable and sustainable effort, with narrower gearing. | | Having ten sprockets doesn't allow _anything_ that can't be done just | as well with seven sprockets in the same overall range (besides wreck | your rear wheel). | | > IRD makes a 10 speed cassette in 11-34(Shimano) and | > 11-32(Campagnolo). Seems pretty close to 11-34 9 speed. | | Agreed. I didn't know about those things because the cassette hub | manufacturers don't offer them. | | > As for your | > 12-38 7 speed freewheel, who sells that today? | | That was never an off-the-shelf option. You had to build them from | Suntour Winner Pro freewheels and a couple of loose sprockets. But | you could do it with readily available parts. I did it a couple of | times. | | > 300+% range on the cluster. Not unless its for a special purpose | > bike. Sounds like the marketing for the Rohloff hub. 500+% gear | > range. Only problem is the huge jumps between gears to achieve that. | | "Huge" 13% jumps, eh? You sound like my sister who is only | comfortable between 72 and 74 degrees. | | > Maybe good for special purpose bikes. But not for ordinary enjoyable | > riding. | | I look around and see that most of the people in my town doing | ordinary enjoyable riding are doing it on one-speed bikes-- fixies, | cruisers, SS conversions, BMX bikes, and purpose-built SS mountain | bikes. I guess that's sort of the same in principle as an ideal 10- | speed "straight block" of 13-13-13-13-13-13-13-13-13-13 gearing, with | nice tight 0% spacing between gears. | | Most of the rest of them are using derailleur bikes with no more than | seven speeds on the cluster (because the bikes are old enough or cheap | enough that they never had more gears than that). If you ask them how | much they mind their "huge" jumps between gears, they won't know what | you're talking about. The only ones with bikes whose gears have no | "huge" jumps by your standards are the kit-wearing poseurs. And if | you want to talk to them, you'll have to look on one of a select few | roads around here on Sunday morning, chase after them, and stare down | their scowls. | | The rest of the week, the streets belong to those who can't possibly | enjoy riding because their gears are too far apart. Their smiles must | be about something else. | | Chalo
Dans le message de news:af327323-24ed-4ef3-a041-c8c46f4ffcd5@q10g2000prf.googlegroups.com, Chalo <chalo.colina@gmail.com> a rИflИchi, et puis a dИclarИ :
So you suggest that you can actually _do something_ (besides indulge
your pickiness) with 10-speed that you can't do with 7-speed?
Go faster, more comfortably, with less stress over longer distances.
Other than that, not too much. Can't pull stumps with my gears. -- Sandy
The above is guaranteed 100% free of sarcasm, denigration, snotty remarks, indifference, platitudes, fuming demands that "you do the math", conceited visions of a better world on wheels according to [insert NAME here].
I do not recall ever seeing a broken cassette hub axle, aside from one that
someone rode so loose that it became worn through.
I've broken at least two Shimano cassette hub axles in the last ten years. I weigh about 180 lbs, and my bike and gear another 45 lbs. It doesn't happen often enough to be a major inconvenience, though.
I can't believe in all your years in the business you've only seen one example.
Mike Jacoubowsky 16 April 2008 01:07:22 [ permanent link ]
13-23 nine-speed cassette. Two 2-tooth jumps.
It makes me very, very happy.
--
Michael Press
Like I said, individuals prefer different things!
But one problem with having such a closely-spaced cassette. You can claim that you wish you had that perfect gear when you're out there suffering on a climb, trying to keep up, and that the lack of it is what's holding you back. But with your cassette, that's a tough claim to prove!
I can do fine with a 12-27 (34/50) up front. Low enough gear for the hills I ride, and not so widely spaced that I feel like it's worth changing out for a flat century.
--Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA "Michael Press" <rubrum@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:rubrum-E5739A.13553215042008@news.sf.sbcglobal.net...
In article <la5Nj.2825$h75.2385@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>,
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
| Having ten sprockets doesn't allow _anything_ that can't be done just
| as well with seven sprockets in the same overall range (besides wreck
| your rear wheel).
*Your* experience based on *your* riding style. Some of us are far
pickier
about the cadence we wish to use at any particular time. I was much
happier
when 9-speed cassettes came along than with the prior 8-speed systems,
yet
find very little advantage (over the range I use, which is 12-27) with a
10.
But I look forward to someone coming up with a 12-29, which would give me
gearing "gaps" I can deal with and the range I would prefer. 7-speed
Mike Jacoubowsky 16 April 2008 02:09:11 [ permanent link ]
Hmm. Too bad Merckx didn't have a ten-speed cassette hub instead of
a lousy five-speed freewheel; it sounds he could have been a contender
for the world land speed record instead of Le Tour.
If the question is: "Would Eddy Merckx have ridden faster if he'd had better equipment?" the answer is, with qualification, yes. If everyone else also had the better equipment, he definitely would have ridden faster. If everyone else didn't, then he'd possibly have ridden fast enough to beat everyone else, but possibly not much faster than that (and thus no faster than he would have with the equipment he used).
--Mike Jacoubowsky Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"Chalo" <chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote in message news:f557a151-b580-4080-b170-57f671680fdb@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com... Sandy wrote:
Chalo a rИflИchi, et puis a dИclarИ :
So you suggest that you can actually _do something_ (besides indulge
your pickiness) with 10-speed that you can't do with 7-speed?
Go faster, more comfortably, with less stress over longer distances.
Hmm. Too bad Merckx didn't have a ten-speed cassette hub instead of a lousy five-speed freewheel; it sounds he could have been a contender for the world land speed record instead of Le Tour.
Dans le message de news:f557a151-b580-4080-b170-57f671680fdb@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com, Chalo <chalo.colina@gmail.com> a rИflИchi, et puis a dИclarИ :
Sandy wrote:
Chalo a rИflИchi, et puis a dИclarИ :
So you suggest that you can actually _do something_ (besides indulge
your pickiness) with 10-speed that you can't do with 7-speed?
Go faster, more comfortably, with less stress over longer distances.
Hmm. Too bad Merckx didn't have a ten-speed cassette hub instead of
a lousy five-speed freewheel; it sounds he could have been a contender
for the world land speed record instead of Le Tour.
And he used a single one to set the world record. And he used 6 when they first became available. And the bikes he designs are all 10. And that that is what he rides, currently. I guess Armstrong was foolish not to retrograde to 5, right?
Dans le message de news:52df6cf2-c8ea-49dc-a057-f920504a2ecc@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, Chalo <chalo.colina@gmail.com> a rИflИchi, et puis a dИclarИ :
Why do so many time trial bikes go with just a single front ring?
When the terrain does not require large changes in gearing, it's OK, n'est-ce pas? So many bikes, in _specific_ time trials or prologues may be configured that way. Will that help you understand? A big guy looking silly looks really silly.
Mike Jacoubowsky <MikeJ@chainreaction.com> wrote:
I do not recall ever seeing a broken cassette hub axle, aside from one
that
someone rode so loose that it became worn through.
I've broken at least two Shimano cassette hub axles in the last ten years.
I
weigh about 180 lbs, and my bike and gear another 45 lbs. It doesn't
happen often
enough to be a major inconvenience, though.
I can't believe in all your years in the business you've only seen one
example.
Bill: Believe it, it's true. Were your broken axles on recumbents?
Yes, so my case may be unusual. I've broken axles on my upright bikes, but they use freewheel hubs.
As I recall the axles broke at the edge of the thin end of the cone on the drive side. I would sometimes not be aware that anything was amiss except for poor engagement of one or two rear sprockets. After quickly checking to make sure the cassette lock ring hadn't come loose I usually didn't investigate further until I got home. When I unclamped the QR to remove the wheel, the works would come apart in my hand, the wheel having been held together solely by the QR skewer.
Ryan Cousineau 16 April 2008 06:12:46 [ permanent link ]
In article <480532f3$0$36336$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Bill Bushnell <mrbill@pobox.com> wrote:
Mike Jacoubowsky <MikeJ@chainreaction.com> wrote:
I do not recall ever seeing a broken cassette hub axle, aside from one
that
someone rode so loose that it became worn through.
I've broken at least two Shimano cassette hub axles in the last ten
years.
I
weigh about 180 lbs, and my bike and gear another 45 lbs. It doesn't
happen often
enough to be a major inconvenience, though.
I can't believe in all your years in the business you've only seen one
example.
Bill: Believe it, it's true. Were your broken axles on recumbents?
Yes, so my case may be unusual.
Duuuuude!
To put it less concisely, I agree with your suspicion that you are an unusual case.
Both you and Chalo have valid concerns about such equipment for your needs. But that is far from saying that the design does not suit the vast majority of its intended uses.
Being more blunt, Shimano, despite what its detractors might suggest or suppose, has spent years and cash developing equipment that is designed for rougher treatment and higher loads than its road groups can stand.
May I direct you to the XT/Saint/Hone lines of products? Saint and Hone especially are burly-ized in various ways that would happen to suit extra-heavy loads.
I respect that both you and Chalo have particular needs which are not met by standard roadie kit, but Chalo--and now you--have demonstrated a certain tendency to suggest that failure under his hands represents a defect which other riders need to concern themselves with, and this is not always true.
Both of you put stresses on equipment through your use which are out on the long tails of the bell curve.
This is rather like me complaining that derailer drivetrains are not sufficiently mud-resistant for normal riders, as I often experience issues with mud contamination of my drivetrain.
(My hobby of unsupported cyclocross-type riding in a rainforest may have something to do with that).
As I recall the axles broke at the edge of the thin end of the cone on the
drive
side. I would sometimes not be aware that anything was amiss except for poor
engagement of one or two rear sprockets. After quickly checking to make sure
the
cassette lock ring hadn't come loose I usually didn't investigate further
until I
got home. When I unclamped the QR to remove the wheel, the works would come
apart
in my hand, the wheel having been held together solely by the QR skewer.
This is the failure mode I recently experienced with an axle on my (5-speed freewheel hub) road bike.
-- Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/ "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls." "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."
Mike Jacoubowsky 16 April 2008 08:33:32 [ permanent link ]
"Chalo" <chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1719990a-3e17-4408-81e9-48fb1cfa041d@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... | Ryan Cousineau wrote: | > | > I respect that both you and Chalo have particular needs which are not | > met by standard roadie kit, but Chalo--and now you--have demonstrated a | > certain tendency to suggest that failure under his hands represents a | > defect which other riders need to concern themselves with, and this is | > not always true. | | I don't expect that most riders have to be concerned about the | robustness of cassette hubs. I simply assert that cassettes are | significantly less robust than freewheels, and that cassette hub | design improves only upon the lousy Shimano/Campagnolo threaded-axle | hub design and does not improve upon designs such as those offered by | Phil Wood, Hi-E, Mavic, White Industries, etc. since time | immemorial. | | To this I'll add that cassette hubs and sprockets don't do anything | better than appropriately designed freewheel hubs, but they do cost a | whole lot more (like for like) and they are much less | interchangeable. | | Chalo
#1: Non-cassette reasonably-priced hubs break axles frequently. So frequently that they're simply impractical for most people who ride a bike a lot. Broken rear axles are the biggest issue we have with less-expensive bikes. They're spec'd with such hubs to save a few dollars, which generally works if the assumption that the bike isn't going to be ridden much holds true.
#2: The typical, reasonable-quality cassette hub+ cassette (cogs) isn't going to cost much more than a non-cassette hub+ freewheel.
#3: Once you start talking Phil Wood, Hi-E, Mavic or White Industries, you've left 97.358% of the world behind, in terms of affordability. I would suggest that manufacturing product that works for the less-than-3% of the market doesn't have as much effect on the world and making something that creates a better $400 bike.
I can do fine with a 12-27 (34/50) up front. Low enough gear for the hills I
ride, and not so widely spaced that I feel like it's worth changing out for
a flat century.
That's my favorite combination as well. I don't see why people buy the Shimano 12/25. The 21,23,25 vs 21,24,27 will be noticed by very few. I do have a smooth shifting 52/34 on one bike with the 12/27. That's really wonderful.
Mike Jacoubowsky 16 April 2008 19:41:12 [ permanent link ]
"Chalo" <chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote in message news:bed5c3c0-811a-4248-b77d-3d6eee6dd0b6@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com... | Mike Jacoubowsky wrote: | > | > #1: Non-cassette reasonably-priced hubs break axles frequently. | <snip> | > #2: The typical, reasonable-quality cassette hub+ cassette (cogs) isn't | > going to cost much more than a non-cassette hub+ freewheel. | > | > #3: Once you start talking Phil Wood, Hi-E, Mavic or White Industries, | > you've left 97.358% of the world behind, in terms of affordability. I would | > suggest that manufacturing product that works for the less-than-3% of the | > market doesn't have as much effect on the world and making something that | > creates a better $400 bike. | | How the BMX world dealt with axle breakage was by upgrading from 3/8" | to 14mm axles, without any other basic design change. During that | transition, you had to make an effort to spend more than $400 on a BMX | bike, whichever axle size it had.
14mm axles were required due to the use of pegs and the effects that "grinding" and carrying passengers have on the relevant components. It was also a way to drop quality that much further, as a bigger axle allows for junkier steel and still has a chance of holding up. In other words, there's no extra cost associated with a larger axle.
| They eventually figured out what Shimano already knew-- that you could | charge a whole lot more for a proprietary cassette hub sprocket than | for a freewheel-- and switched over to that scheme. By producing the | things in fast-wearing tooth counts as low as 8t, they ensure a | bustling commerce in profitable replacement parts. Meanwhile, some | 44/16 drivetrains that preceded the whole thing (and have been in | regular use ever since) still soldier on, bad for business but good | for getting the job done.
Cassette hubs allow for much-easier changing of rear cog size. As for the "weird" stuff in the BMX market, nobody's forcing anyone to buy it. In the early days of BMX, what sold was what was practical. Style was less important. BMX is now more of a fashion statement than a type of bike.
Mike Jacoubowsky 16 April 2008 19:42:11 [ permanent link ]
"Paul Kopit" <pkopit@att.net> wrote in message news:2o0b04t053a6mq4iaqno7rj81m50275dgk@4ax.com... | On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:07:22 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky" | <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote: | | >I can do fine with a 12-27 (34/50) up front. Low enough gear for the hills I | >ride, and not so widely spaced that I feel like it's worth changing out for | >a flat century. | | That's my favorite combination as well. I don't see why people buy | the Shimano 12/25. The 21,23,25 vs 21,24,27 will be noticed by very | few. I do have a smooth shifting 52/34 on one bike with the 12/27. | That's really wonderful.
No problem dumping the chain off the inside when shifting from teh 52 to the 34?
#1: Non-cassette reasonably-priced hubs break axles frequently. So
frequently that they're simply impractical for most people who ride a bike a
lot. Broken rear axles are the biggest issue we have with less-expensive
bikes. They're spec'd with such hubs to save a few dollars, which generally
works if the assumption that the bike isn't going to be ridden much holds
true.
I cannot agree at all with this statement, unless perhaps bike parts took a deep dive for the worse between 1996 and 2001 (when I was out of the game due to a severe accident, which claimed a tooth, finally, in 2005.)
My experience was as follows :
- 10 years riding raleigh grand prix. bent axle. not broken. - 8 years riding sekai 2500 (early shimano 600 hubs). no problems. - 11 years riding a trek 500 (sansin gyromaster hub). no problems.
- lots of years riding bikes with italian parts whose name cannot be spoken (riding occasional club rides) according to mike jacoubowsky.
- 3 months riding a bike where the derailleur hit the sprocket in 1st gear, and while riding up a 10% grade I FINALLY, in 2007, broke an axle !!
Anyway, in my experience, 120mm and 126mm road bike axles JUST DONT break. Your mileage may vary on mountain bikes.
Mike Jacoubowsky 18 April 2008 20:55:35 [ permanent link ]
| My experience was as follows : | | - 10 years riding raleigh grand prix. bent axle. not broken. | - 8 years riding sekai 2500 (early shimano 600 hubs). no problems. | - 11 years riding a trek 500 (sansin gyromaster hub). no problems. | | - lots of years riding bikes with italian parts whose name cannot | be spoken (riding occasional club rides) according to mike | jacoubowsky. | | - 3 months riding a bike where the derailleur hit the sprocket in | 1st gear, and while riding up a 10% grade I FINALLY, in 2007, | broke an axle !! | | Anyway, in my experience, 120mm and 126mm road bike axles JUST DONT | break. Your mileage may vary on mountain bikes. | | - Don Gillies | San Diego, CA
*Your* experience. Not shared by any shop you're likely to ask. The axles I broke were 120mm locknut/locknut dimesion (which is, what, 132mm overall length?). Campagnolo. 2 of them during the days I raced. I also broke a 126 further down the road. Not mountain bikes. Road bikes. Must have been caused by a pretty crappy out-of-alignment Cinelli that I used (which I made sure the dropouts were perfectly aligned, because that was one of the theories back in the day for why axles broke).
In the shop, we find and replace many such broken axles. Typically the customer doesn't even know they're broken, because things are held in place by the quick release. They come in because the wheel's out of true. OK, I lied. We typically don't replace such axles in hubs anymore, because the customer will usually say it's their 2nd or 3rd time they've "broken the wheel." So we sell them a cassette-hub wheel and voila, no more broken rear wheels.
Spend some time working in a shop, and you'll quickly discover that your experiences are far better than average. Hopefully that goes for other things in your life as well!
"Donald Gillies" <gillies@cs.ubc.ca> wrote in message news:fu9plu$ps$1@cascade.cs.ubc.ca... | "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> writes: | | >"Chalo" <chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote in message | >news:1719990a-3e17-4408-81e9-48fb1cfa041d@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... | >| Ryan Cousineau wrote: | | >#1: Non-cassette reasonably-priced hubs break axles frequently. So | >frequently that they're simply impractical for most people who ride a bike a | >lot. Broken rear axles are the biggest issue we have with less-expensive | >bikes. They're spec'd with such hubs to save a few dollars, which generally | >works if the assumption that the bike isn't going to be ridden much holds | >true. | | I cannot agree at all with this statement, unless perhaps bike parts | took a deep dive for the worse between 1996 and 2001 (when I was out | of the game due to a severe accident, which claimed a tooth, finally, | in 2005.) | | My experience was as follows : | | - 10 years riding raleigh grand prix. bent axle. not broken. | - 8 years riding sekai 2500 (early shimano 600 hubs). no problems. | - 11 years riding a trek 500 (sansin gyromaster hub). no problems. | | - lots of years riding bikes with italian parts whose name cannot | be spoken (riding occasional club rides) according to mike | jacoubowsky. | | - 3 months riding a bike where the derailleur hit the sprocket in | 1st gear, and while riding up a 10% grade I FINALLY, in 2007, | broke an axle !! | | Anyway, in my experience, 120mm and 126mm road bike axles JUST DONT | break. Your mileage may vary on mountain bikes. | | - Don Gillies | San Diego, CA
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:bo4Oj.7136$GE1.2845@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
Spend some time working in a shop, and you'll quickly discover that your
experiences are far better than average.
To be fair, I reckon a shop will tend to see worse than average, because people bring stuff to you when it is bust. But I still reckon cassette hubs are nicer for reasons including the axle breaking thing.
(one other important one for me is the ease of sprocket removal - anyone who's tried to remove a freewheel used on hills on a tandem will know what I mean here )
If that is indeed a picture of you, then you can ride any kind of recumbent you want. I can too, but I must admit I look best on a long wheelbase because of my 6 foot height.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
Ryan Cousineau 22 April 2008 10:52:24 [ permanent link ]
In article <4d43b41c-a822-4b05-ae09-2068a22f02ef@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Chalo <chalo.colina@gmail.com> wrote:
Where _is_ Fab these days? Working his way towards becoming Flabbio,
perhaps. I've missed his style guidance for the faithful and
dismissive contempt for the fallen.
Chalo
He's having something of a recent Renaissance in rbr, which, if you haven't checked recently, is achieving heights of civility rbt could only aspire to.
Strange but true.
-- Ryan Cousineau rcousine@gmail.com http://www.wiredcola.com/ "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls." "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."
Where _is_ Fab these days? Working his way towards becoming Flabbio,
perhaps. I've missed his style guidance for the faithful and
dismissive contempt for the fallen.
Chalo
He's having something of a recent Renaissance in rbr, which, if you
haven't checked recently, is achieving heights of civility rbt could
only aspire to.
Strange but true.
It may be that RBR needs the ministrations of Ed Dolan the Great. RBR should by rights be the most uncivil cycling newsgroup of all since it is composed of riders who have their brains residing in their gonads. But Hells Bells, I hate racing cyclists. My contempt for them is boundless. I doubt if could remain civil to them for more than a few seconds.
But Fab is a jerk. If RBR hasn't figured that out, then they are even dumber than I thought.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
