Saturday, 12 July 2008
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| Re: Steel frames and le Tour Still Just Me 11:35:45 |
| | On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 18:46:32 -0700 (PDT), BrandyCycles@gmail.com wrote:
On Jul 7, 10:31 pm, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote: On Jul 7, 11:22 am, BrandyCyc...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone know the last year a steel frame was used by a racing cyclist What a relief! At least we're all not "Dumbasses" (myself excluded, of course). So, what was the year, what we're the teams and what frames?
He didn't say he knew. He just acknowledged that someone knew.
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| Re: Beltran tests positive Donald Munro 11:17:04 |
| | jspaceman wrote:
And according to police have raided the LeakyGas team hotel.
I assume they use green cooler boxes.
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| Re: Monday Mike Jacoubowsky 09:12:11 |
| | Andre" <ANDREJANSSENS1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Looks like Monday will probably decide the winner of the Tour. It's a
monster stage. I don't know if Vande Velde will be able to stay with the lead group. His team is banking on him though. I guess a pure climber will win this stage; I don't see a big group finishing together. Evans will follow whoever takes the initiative and he considers dangerous. Kirchen will probably make a move at some point. Valverde will be protected by his team until the very last possible moment. Then if he has anything left, he might make a move but I don't see him dropping Evans. Piepoli might be the one who outlasts everyone here. Devolder and Monfort should do well enough to climb up the GC a few spots. Cunego I think will fold (but who knows). Sastre will do good but not great. The Shlecks will end up somewhere behind Evans but in front of enough other riders to also move up the GC. Only a prediction. Oh I forgot Menchov...he'll probably finish in front of Evans at exactly the same time. Of course the Australian will suck his wheel too. Andre
Not even. Kirchen? Who are you kidding. With a name like Kirchen you think
he's clean? No way. Valverde? The ASO isn't going to stand for another
Spaniard, post-op Puerto, winning the 'Tour. They'll rig things so he comes
up dirty. Devolder? Nah, the Lance association kills him (Lance says he
could be the next big thing), so he's dirty. Cunego won't last. Piepoli must
be riding dirty to support Valverde.
Sorry, Evans is the only one left standing in the end.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"Andre" <ANDREJANSSENS1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Looks like Monday will probably decide the winner of the Tour. It's a monster stage. I don't know if Vande Velde will be able to stay with the lead group. His team is banking on him though. I guess a pure climber will win this stage; I don't see a big group finishing together. Evans will follow whoever takes the initiative and he considers dangerous. Kirchen will probably make a move at some point. Valverde will be protected by his team until the very last possible moment. Then if he has anything left, he might make a move but I don't see him dropping Evans. Piepoli might be the one who outlasts everyone here. Devolder and Monfort should do well enough to climb up the GC a few spots. Cunego I think will fold (but who knows). Sastre will do good but not great. The Shlecks will end up somewhere behind Evans but in front of enough other riders to also move up the GC. Only a prediction. Oh I forgot Menchov...he'll probably finish in front of Evans at exactly the same time. Of course the Australian will suck his wheel too. Andre
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| The curse of LANCE Bob Schwartz 07:12:31 |
| | When you ride with LANCE, you will not test positive.
But when you are not riding with LANCE, you are doomed.
Bob Schwartz
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| TDF 2008-6 race report Michael Press 00:30:35 |
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A Phil Liggett special:
Alehandro's very strong band of riders.
Stage 7 was gripping from beginning to end. The contending
teams kept their respective races well positioned; driving
hard when called for and, riding tempo when allowed. Loved
it when team CSC blasted open that gap.
Funny how Paul Sherwen confused Team Columbia with the
big blue train. Eat your heart out, JV.
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Michael Press
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Friday, 11 July 2008
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| Tricky Beltran Ted van de Weteringe 23:05:37 |
| | Shall we pass him the NYT link Chung found a while back, which
highlights big problems with the effectiveness of the EPO test?
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| Re: Tour 97% Pure Donald Munro 23:02:47 |
| | Ernst Blofeld wrote:
I think Beltran was hanging around 25th, so the new, improved Beltran Line will make the tour about 85% pure, and dropping fast.
Somebody better tell Boonen sniffing the Beltran line could be dangerous.
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| Tour-de-France stage 7 summary Bob Martin 19:51:35 |
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Changes in stage 7 compared to stage 6
Biggest gainers by position :
+73 Sebastian Lang
+53 Egoi Martinez
+48 Sylvain Chavanel
+48 Bert Grabsch
+44 Giuseppe Guerini
+43 Ronny Scholz
+41 Thomas Voeckler
+41 Christian Knees
+40 Viatsjeslav Ekimov
+39 Joost Posthuma
Biggest losers by position :
-76 Thor Hushovd
-70 Oscar Freire
-66 Philippe Gilbert
-55 Robbie McEwen
-45 Bernhard Eisel
-43 Luca Paolini
-40 Erik Zabel
-37 Levi Leipheimer
-35 Patrice Halgand
-30 Jens Voigt
-29 Benjamin Noval
Biggest gainers by time :
+0:37 Serguei Gonchar
Biggest losers by time :
-9:24 Jens Voigt
-9:10 Peter Wrolich
-8:25 Beat Zberg
-8:18 Wim Vansevenant
-8:13 Matteo Tosatto
-8:08 Aitor Hernandez
-8:08 Manuel Calvente
-7:59 Julian Dean
-7:49 Eduardo Gonzalo
-7:49 Jimmy Casper
-7:43 Bram Tankink
Favourites by position :
+21 Georg Totschnig
+21 Denis Menchov
+16 Carlos Sastre
+12 Andreas Klцden
+9 Serguei Gonchar
+6 Floyd Landis
+4 Cadel Evans
+1 Iban Mayo
+1 Christophe Moreau
-6 Paolo Savoldelli
-6 Damiano Cunego
-8 Michael Boogerd
-12 George Hincapie
-14 Stefano Garzelli
-17 Pietro Caucchioli
-19 Gilberto Simoni
-37 Levi Leipheimer
Favourites by time :
+0:37 Serguei Gonchar
-0:24 Floyd Landis
-0:47 Michael Rogers
-1:06 Andreas Klцden
-1:07 Denis Menchov
-1:12 Cadel Evans
-1:27 Christophe Moreau
-1:34 Carlos Sastre
-1:35 Paolo Savoldelli
-2:05 George Hincapie
-3:23 Georg Totschnig
-4:28 Michael Boogerd
-4:41 Stefano Garzelli
-4:42 Gilberto Simoni
-5:00 Iban Mayo
-5:29 Levi Leipheimer
-5:43 David Moncoutiй
-5:46 Damiano Cunego
-6:01 Pietro Caucchioli
Top 3 and favourites standings :
1 Serguei Gonchar 30.23.20
2 Floyd Landis 1.00
3 Michael Rogers 1.08
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6 Andreas Klцden 1.50
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8 Cadel Evans 1.52
9 Denis Menchov 2.00
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12 Christophe Moreau 2.07
13 Paolo Savoldelli 2.10
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16 Carlos Sastre 2.27
17 George Hincapie 2.30
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37 Georg Totschnig 4.33
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47 Michael Boogerd 5.29
48 Gilberto Simoni 5.34
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51 Stefano Garzelli 5.39
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58 Iban Mayo 6.11
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62 Levi Leipheimer 6.17
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75 Damiano Cunego 7.06
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77 Pietro Caucchioli 7.14
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125 David Moncoutiй 12.15
Retirements to date :
Caisse d'Epargne-Illes Balears Alejandro Valverde DNF 3
Davitamon-Lotto Fred Rodriguez DNF 3
Liquigas Danilo Di Luca DNS 2
Milram Fabio Sacchi DNS 6
Rabobank Erik Dekker DNF 3
Team CSC Bobby Julich DNF 7 <<
Total retirements : 6
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| No hands-free cellphone law in France! Mike Jacoubowsky 17:08:20 |
| | Amazing that, in the VS piece tonight showing them calling the DS of
Colombia on the phone, the guy's holding the phone up to his ear, instead of
using a bluetooth earpiece. The way those guys have to drive, I'm really
surprised that they wouldn't *want* to be using a wireless earpiece, rather
than holding the phone in their hand while driving.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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| Tour-de-France stage 6 summary Bob Martin 12:12:25 |
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Changes in stage 6 compared to stage 5
Biggest gainers by position :
+9 Benoоt Vaugrenard
+4 Sebastian Lang
+4 Samuel Dumoulin
+4 Robbie McEwen
+4 Rik Verbrugghe
+4 Joost Posthuma
+3 Walter Beneteau
+3 Unai Etxebarria
+3 Steven De Jongh
+3 Samuel Plouhinec
Biggest losers by position :
-25 Anthony Geslin
-10 Bram Tankink
-10 Thomas Voeckler
-8 Juan Manuel Garate
-7 Beat Zberg
-6 Robert Hunter
-5 Bram De Groot
-4 Paolo Tiralongo
-2 Anthony Charteau
-2 Florent Brard
-2 Gustav Larsson
Biggest gainers by time :
+0:12 Robbie McEwen
+0:04 Daniele Bennati
Biggest losers by time :
-4:55 Anthony Charteau
-2:20 Bram De Groot
-2:20 Bram Tankink
-2:20 Daniele Righi
-2:20 Johan Vansummeren
-2:16 Magnus Backstedt
-1:51 Wim Vansevenant
-1:35 Juan Manuel Garate
-1:25 Anthony Geslin
-1:25 Sйbastien Joly
-1:23 Florent Brard
Favourites by position :
-1 Michael Rogers
-1 George Hincapie
-1 Andreas Klцden
Favourites by time :
-0:08 Stefano Garzelli
-0:08 Serguei Gonchar
-0:08 Pietro Caucchioli
-0:08 Paolo Savoldelli
-0:08 Michael Rogers
-0:08 Michael Boogerd
-0:08 Levi Leipheimer
-0:08 Iban Mayo
-0:08 Gilberto Simoni
-0:08 George Hincapie
-0:08 Georg Totschnig
-0:08 Floyd Landis
-0:08 Denis Menchov
-0:08 Damiano Cunego
-0:08 Christophe Moreau
-0:08 Carlos Sastre
-0:08 Cadel Evans
-0:08 Andreas Klцden
-0:40 David Moncoutiй
Top 3 and favourites standings :
1 Tom Boonen 29.21.00
2 Robbie McEwen 0.12
3 Michael Rogers 0.21
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5 George Hincapie 0.25
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7 Paolo Savoldelli 0.35
8 Floyd Landis 0.36
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10 Serguei Gonchar 0.37
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12 Cadel Evans 0.40
13 Christophe Moreau 0.40
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18 Andreas Klцden 0.44
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25 Levi Leipheimer 0.48
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29 Gilberto Simoni 0.52
30 Denis Menchov 0.53
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32 Carlos Sastre 0.53
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37 Stefano Garzelli 0.58
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39 Michael Boogerd 1.01
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58 Georg Totschnig 1.10
59 Iban Mayo 1.11
60 Pietro Caucchioli 1.13
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69 Damiano Cunego 1.20
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125 David Moncoutiй 6.32
Retirements to date :
Caisse d'Epargne-Illes Balears Alejandro Valverde DNF 3
Davitamon-Lotto Fred Rodriguez DNF 3
Liquigas Danilo Di Luca DNS 2
Milram Fabio Sacchi DNS 6 <<
Rabobank Erik Dekker DNF 3
Total retirements : 5
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| Re: Another shot from LeMond Carl Sundquist 11:58:30 |
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"DirtRoadie" <DirtRoadie@aol.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 7, 5:13 am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
On Jul 6, 10:07 pm, Breeder <withba...@aol.com> wrote: On Jul 6, 7:05 pm, "brian_j_r...@yahoo.com" <brian_j_r...@yahoo.com> "All these new training programs, oh, I lost some weight, higher RPMs, how can you can lose more weight than 3-4 percent body weight? All these training theories physiology has not changed." He speaks the truth. It's the same in distance running with sub 26:20 Nothing ever changes Greg's a genius, just like Wiley Bill C
Another case that comes to mind that may suggest training methods do
improve:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Spitz
"Then, at age 41, Spitz attempted to make a comeback in an attempt to
qualify for the 1992 Barcelona Olympics, after film maker Bud
Greenspan offered to pay him a million dollars if he succeeded in
qualifying. Filmed by Greenspan's cameras, Spitz failed to beat the
qualifying limit, despite the fact his times were nearly as good as
(and in some cases better than) his medal-winning times 20 years
earlier."
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Try explaining that to simians who think that most of the current riders are
far better than Merckx was.
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| Favorite current riders (of a given country)? Mike Jacoubowsky 11:03:34 |
| | My two favorite Germans in the peloton would be Erik Zabel and Jens Voight.
Two guys who just seem to really have a passion for what they're doing,
speak well to the public/press and are always putting on a show. I remember
a Giro one year when Voight was way off the front on a break, and was called
off by the DS to help their GC guy, who was quite a ways back. The camera
caught the moment it happened, and Voight dutifully pulled up, dropped off
the break and had fun with the cameraman. Didn't look like it even entered
his mind to complain that he might have been able to take the stage.
Anybody want to take France, or Italy, or Belgium, or maybe pick a different
pair of Germans?
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
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| Re: Levi Leipheimer "bitter and angry" about the Tour Tom Kunich 10:56:59 |
| | "caffetrieste" <cycleto.com@gmail.com> wrote in message
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There's a video clip of him at the Cascade Classic...and not the Tour de France...here:
He's da man!
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| staying informed Meg Worley 10:33:31 |
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I signed myself:
(July Person and not ashamed of it)
Bill C writes:
"July People" who have a clue aren't really july people, just infrequent contributors. Glad you're here.
That's tres gentille -- thanks.
The fact is, I'd be around rbr full time if they showed the Giro, the
D-L, etc. on tv, even just a highlights show. It's hard enough finding
out what a girl needs to know about how everybody's doing... *ProCycling*
is a great read, but it's always out of date. And although I tolerate
VeloNews, Bicycling, and various other sites, their design and
stinginess with information make me scowl and gnash my teeth.
Even with all the "hey dumbass" and Usenet performance artists on
rbr, every July I log into my old shell account from grad school
(back when I used to shop at Chain Reaction -- le sigh) to
resubscribe to rbr. Frankly, when rbr is providing better and more
accessible information than all the whiz-bang websites out
there, that's a rather shocking state of affairs.
Rage away,
meg, J.P.
--
Meg Worley _._ meg@steam.stanford.edu _._ Comparatively Literate
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| This is what I'm buying Samson 09:20:24 |
| | New hair, a mojito, and a sham wow.
S.
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| Re: Where is Trautwig? Samson 08:40:08 |
| | In article <608bd15f-cd9f-4bd1-a272-3642b887d6d3
@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, brian_j_roth@yahoo.com says...
On Jul 7, 8:24am, The Czar <joedopebuc...@yahoo.com> wrote: Did they finally can him? Probobly see him in Bejing.....
Craig Hummer is a little dull, but he's pretty competent.
S.
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| Re: It's gotta be frustrating Mike Jacoubowsky 08:10:37 |
| | "Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net> wrote in message
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| to be Zabel these days. It just illustrates how tiny the differences
| are between the very best.
| It'd be easy if he had just lost it and wasn't close, but to be able
| to be right there, and not able to get over, and knowing that it's
| just going to get worse, but hoping for a few more "good" days where
| there's a little of the old magic in the legs. Not much either, just a
| few bits is all that's needed.
| It's killing me to watch it over the past year ot two. maybe he's
| resigned to it, but it's murder.
| Bill C
1 Thor Hushovd (Nor) CrИdit Agricole 88 pts
2 Oscar Freire Gomez (Spa) Rabobank 85
3 Kim Kirchen (Lux) Team Columbia 81
4 Erik Zabel (Ger) Team Milram 72
With no single dominant sprinter, Erik's not out of the running for the
green jersey. Seriously, this isn't a typical 'Tour, where you have just two
guys battling it out. Erik is nothing if not consistent, and consistent
mediocre placings (as if placing 4th or 3rd in a Grand Tour sprint is
mediocre) could keep you in the running. Add the fact that Erik can
out-climb just about any other sprinter (been there, seen that, he can climb
pretty well when he feels it necessary)...
So I look at things a bit differently than you. I look at Erik Zabel and get
depressed, because Erik proves you don't have to grow old gracefully, he
shows that limitations are all too often self-imposed. In other words, you &
I (well, as least I) can look back at a whole lot of things in life that
maybe we gave up on sooner than need be.
Erik is still a contender. That's different from being a winner, sure. But
he's not taking the lead role in a cage, that's for certain.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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| apathy Michael Press 06:08:34 |
| | Bring back doping. These riders just don't care.
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Michael Press
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| Re: Who didn't see THIS coming? Tom Kunich 05:28:53 |
| | "Scott" <hendricks_scott@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Frankly, I don't care who was involved or what happened. The report (which I didn't write) said it's been cancelled three times in five years. If Medalist Sports or the Vail Valley Foundation or whomever else is involved can't capitalize on the recent successes of the TdG, ToC, ToM, with the demonstrated economic benefits that these events have shown, then that speaks very poorly of their skills OR the fact that the gov. and the state tourism board are too busy lining up to kiss what's his name's butt in August to actually help out.
What is comical is the demonstration of almost complete ignorance concerning
how long it takes to plan and finance a race the size of a state tour.
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| Greg Lemond documentary Ted van de Weteringe 02:52:47 |
| | Now posted in news:alt.binaries.multimedia.sports (see
http://binsearch.info/?q=lemond)
It's a Dutch documentary but lots of subtitled interviewing with Greg
and of course some nice footage. Filmed in May 2008.
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| Blackburn Rear Rack David White 01:55:16 |
| | For sale locally in Seattle but will ship at actual rates. Can take
PayPal cash transfers (no credit cards). Thanks.
<http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/750152337.html>
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| Trico Sport Iron Case David White 01:50:25 |
| | For sale locally in Seattle but will ship at actual rates. Can take
PayPal cash transfers (no credit cards). Thanks.
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