I've had a few flats recently and it got me wondering if anyone has any inventive ways to patch a tube (on the trail or at home) other than using the traditional glue and patch or the new Park-style peel and patch thingys.
Has anyone ever experimented with things like super-glue or some sort of rubber glue for marine applications or even used anything like clear packing tape? BTW whats the Park-style peel tape made out of? Can you buy a big roll of it somewhere?
Has anything failed that you thought would work? Has anything else worked that you were surprised of?
I'm sure someone has tried a few weird things.
I just want to expand my bag of tricks in case I ever get caught short one day!
Francesco Devittori 17 March 2005 12:44:49 [ permanent link ]
Me wrote:> I've had a few flats recently and it got me wondering if anyone has any > inventive ways to patch a tube (on the trail or at home) other than > using the traditional glue and patch or the new Park-style peel and > patch thingys.>
Has anyone ever experimented with things like super-glue or some sort of > rubber glue for marine applications or even used anything like clear > packing tape? BTW whats the Park-style peel tape made out of? Can you > buy a big roll of it somewhere?>
Has anything failed that you thought would work? Has anything else > worked that you were surprised of?>
I'm sure someone has tried a few weird things.>
I just want to expand my bag of tricks in case I ever get caught short > one day!
I've heard that filling the tire with leafs can work... at least better than walking home. Never tried...
I've heard that filling the tire with leafs can work... at least better> than walking home. Never tried...
Filling the tyre with water works.
"Francesco Devittori" <frenkatfrenkdtcm> wrote in message news:42394381$1@epflnews.epfl.ch...> Me wrote:> > I've had a few flats recently and it got me wondering if anyone has any> > inventive ways to patch a tube (on the trail or at home) other than> > using the traditional glue and patch or the new Park-style peel and> > patch thingys.> >
Has anyone ever experimented with things like super-glue or some sort of> > rubber glue for marine applications or even used anything like clear> > packing tape? BTW whats the Park-style peel tape made out of? Can you> > buy a big roll of it somewhere?> >
Has anything failed that you thought would work? Has anything else> > worked that you were surprised of?> >
I'm sure someone has tried a few weird things.> >
I just want to expand my bag of tricks in case I ever get caught short> > one day!>
I've heard that filling the tire with leafs can work... at least better> than walking home. Never tried...>
I always carry a small roll of duct tape. I haven't used it as a patch, but if it can fix radiator tubes in a pinch, it should be good as a patch. I found a flat pack of it in x-mart Francesco Devittori wrote:> Me wrote:> > I've had a few flats recently and it got me wondering if anyone has
inventive ways to patch a tube (on the trail or at home) other than
using the traditional glue and patch or the new Park-style peel and
patch thingys.> >
Has anyone ever experimented with things like super-glue or some
sort of> > rubber glue for marine applications or even used anything like clear> > packing tape? BTW whats the Park-style peel tape made out of? Can
buy a big roll of it somewhere?> >
Has anything failed that you thought would work? Has anything else> > worked that you were surprised of?> >
I'm sure someone has tried a few weird things.> >
I just want to expand my bag of tricks in case I ever get caught
short> > one day!>
I've heard that filling the tire with leafs can work... at least
Me wrote:> I've had a few flats recently and it got me wondering if anyone has
inventive ways to patch a tube (on the trail or at home) other than> using the traditional glue and patch or the new Park-style peel and> patch thingys.>
I just want to expand my bag of tricks in case I ever get caught
short> one day!
I keep a $5 kit bungied to my rack at all times. I wouldn't feel bad if anyone helped themselves to a patch if they needed one. Just please leave a note (a bank note preferably) if you take the last one.
In article <423970e5@news.greennet.net>, Me <Me1@me.com> wrote:
I've had a few flats recently and it got me wondering if anyone has any >inventive ways to patch a tube (on the trail or at home) other than >using the traditional glue and patch or the new Park-style peel and >patch thingys.>
Has anyone ever experimented with things like super-glue or some sort of >rubber glue for marine applications or even used anything like clear >packing tape? BTW whats the Park-style peel tape made out of? Can you >buy a big roll of it somewhere?>
Has anything failed that you thought would work? Has anything else >worked that you were surprised of?>
I'm sure someone has tried a few weird things.>
I just want to expand my bag of tricks in case I ever get caught short >one day!
I used electrical tape after wiping off the tube as best I could. Wasn't great, but held until I got home.
Steve Kirkendall 18 March 2005 21:12:41 [ permanent link ]
Me wrote:> Has anything failed that you thought would work? Has anything else> worked that you were surprised of?>
I'm sure someone has tried a few weird things.
Once, I peeled the ANSI certification sticker from the inside of my helmet and used that as a patch. It held long enough for me to get home. This sticker used the gummy kind of glue that never dries out, which was a big stroke of luck.
I've heard of people slipping a dollar bill over the hole. I've never tried it myself, but the claim is that when you inflate the tire, the bill gets pinched between the tire and the tube hard enough to make a nearly air-tight seal.
I imagine chewing gum would work. Better than bubble gum anyway.
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:02:29 +0000, Me <Me1@me.com> may have said:
I've had a few flats recently and it got me wondering if anyone has any >inventive ways to patch a tube (on the trail or at home) other than >using the traditional glue and patch or the new Park-style peel and >patch thingys.
Presumably you mean "in the absence of another patch and/or the glue needed to make it work." If you have the stuff that's right for the job, why try to reinvent the patch?
Has anyone ever experimented with things like super-glue or some sort of >rubber glue for marine applications or even used anything like clear >packing tape?
Okay, for me, in order: yes (but it was a special type made for joining o-rings), yes (but for shoemaking applications, not marine), and yes. Success rate, in order: temporary, leaving tube unrepairable because the patch wouldn't stick; held for only a few minutes, left tube repairable; failed miserably.
BTW whats the Park-style peel tape made out of? Can you >buy a big roll of it somewhere?
Don't know, don't want to; I tried the Park stick-ons and had poor results.
Has anything failed that you thought would work?
No, but I didn't expect any of these stopgaps to be more than a temporary fix.
Has anything else >worked that you were surprised of?
No, but the stuff that's been reliable was made for the task.
I'm sure someone has tried a few weird things.
Ooooh, yeah; I may have to start taking photos of the "inventive" patch techniques I've run across on tubes extracted from police auction bikes. Last week, I ran across a bike tire with a tubeless tire plug in it...all the way into the tube. I do *not* know how they got the tube to stay in place while they poked that string into the hole. (Needless to say, it didn't work.)
I just want to expand my bag of tricks in case I ever get caught short >one day!
Expand your bag of tricks by the same volume of patches and glue, and you'll be in better shape.
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:50:07 -0600, Werehatrack <rault00@earthWEEDSlink.net> wrote:
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Ooooh, yeah; I may have to start taking photos of the "inventive">patch techniques I've run across on tubes extracted from police>auction bikes. Last week, I ran across a bike tire with a tubeless>tire plug in it...all the way into the tube. I do *not* know how they>got the tube to stay in place while they poked that string into the>hole. (Needless to say, it didn't work.)
[snip]
Dear Werehatrack,
Possibly a small puncture and an air hose with 100 psi?
Per jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org:> The reason a dollar bill is used is>that it is the toughest piece of paper and unprepared rider usually>carries.
I've got a roll of TyVek (TyVec?) "paper" that's used as a layer in house insulation.
To me, that stuff *defines* tough. I guess I ought to cut a hunk for my bike bag just on GP's.... -- PeteCresswell
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:52:26 -0700, carlfogel@comcast.net may have said:
On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 15:50:07 -0600, Werehatrack><rault00@earthWEEDSlink.net> wrote:>
[snip]>
... Last week, I ran across a bike tire with a tubeless>>tire plug in it...all the way into the tube. I do *not* know how they>>got the tube to stay in place while they poked that string into the>>hole. (Needless to say, it didn't work.)>
Possibly a small puncture and an air hose with 100 psi?>
Just speculating, not recommending.
I thought about that, and it might allow the attempt to proceed...but whatever the stroke applied may have been, the attempt failed.
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 17:04:55 -0500, "(Pete Cresswell)" <x@y.z.invalid> may have said:
Per jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org:>> The reason a dollar bill is used is>>that it is the toughest piece of paper and unprepared rider usually>>carries. >
I've got a roll of TyVek (TyVec?) "paper" that's used as a layer in house>insulation.>
To me, that stuff *defines* tough. I guess I ought to cut a hunk for my bike>bag just on GP's....
As a boot, I've found that it works very well. I've only had to use it once, but there was a FedEx envelope laying nearby as I was casting about for something to use, so I grabbed it. The envelope flap even had glue on it to stick it to the inside of the tire so that I didn't have to worry about it slipping out of position while I pumped. Such a deal!
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Recently I got two flats-bang-bang-then discovered big slit in tire that tube was poking though at 100psi; so had to inflate to 70psi and bounce along back home. After awile I remembered Cliff Bar in pocket--used mylar like wrapper, booted tire, and filled to 100psi. Worked well.
Took old tire, cut into 4" pieces, cut off bead, and now have a piece in my saddebag for next time I need emergency boot.
<jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org> wrote: (clip) In the days of yore, auto parts stores had elegant boots for car tires. These had bias ply cords and feathered edges and could be placed in the tire to make those few miles to where a replacement tire could be had. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ My folks didn't consider a boot to be a temporary fix. It was not uncomon to dismount a tire and find a boot that had been there who-knows-how-long.
While we're waxing nostalgic, who remembers when all bikes were single speed, with glue-on high pressure tires? And the routine flat repair with us kids was friction tape? We considered it routine to pump up the tires every day or two.
And in those days, Jobst, MANY bikes DID hang from their upper spokes.
search for 'DIY tire removal' and 'self sealing tubes 2' in tech archives- carry a spare tube but check and clean the tire's outside,inside, and inrim spoke surfaces for cutting surfaces. check the old tube for the cut-sometimes itsa surprise! for elimination...
In the days of yore, auto parts stores had elegant boots for car>> tires. These had bias ply cords and feathered edges and could be>> placed in the tire to make those few miles to where a replacement>> tire could be had.
My folks didn't consider a boot to be a temporary fix. It was not> uncommon to dismount a tire and find a boot that had been there> who-knows-how-long.
You knew about it if you drove faster than 40mph and if you realised that the wobble in the steering wheel was wheel imbalance.
While we're waxing nostalgic, who remembers when all bikes were> single speed, with glue-on high pressure tires? And the routine> flat repair with us kids was friction tape? We considered it> routine to pump up the tires every day or two.
I don't care for the tubulars and their thin (leaky) latex tubes or their repairs. Today there is no "friction" tape so we use duct tape for those applications.
By the way, it isn't commonly known why the stuff was called friction tape, probably because it was so commonly misused. When insulating a wire joint to the electrical code, electricians used a grey rubber "insulating" tape which was then wrapped in "friction" tape to protect against abrasion. Most folks never saw the insulating tape and just wrapped the joint in friction tape for which today plastic electrical tape serves both purposes... but it doesn't work for tire repairs.
And in those days, Jobst, MANY bikes DID hang from their upper spokes.
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:17:50 GMT, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org may have said:
Leo Lichtman writes:>
While we're waxing nostalgic, who remembers when all bikes were>> single speed, with glue-on high pressure tires? And the routine>> flat repair with us kids was friction tape? We considered it>> routine to pump up the tires every day or two.>
I don't care for the tubulars and their thin (leaky) latex tubes or>their repairs. Today there is no "friction" tape so we use duct tape>for those applications.
Friction tape is still around, but duct tape (the handyman's secret weapon; no job is complete without it{tm}) has largely replaced it.
By the way, it isn't commonly known why the stuff was called friction>tape, probably because it was so commonly misused. When insulating a>wire joint to the electrical code, electricians used a grey rubber>"insulating" tape which was then wrapped in "friction" tape to protect>against abrasion. Most folks never saw the insulating tape and just>wrapped the joint in friction tape for which today plastic electrical>tape serves both purposes... but it doesn't work for tire repairs.
None of the friction tape I've had would have worked for tire repairs unless you were using an inflation gas with a molecular diameter large enough for the particles to be visible. This probably did not stop people from trying, however. (Come to think of it, ISTR my father saying that when he was young, they applied friction tape and then coated it with shellac to seal it in place before trying to reinflate. That would have been around WWI and just after.)
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While we're waxing nostalgic, who remembers when all bikes were>>> single speed, with glue-on high pressure tires? And the routine>>> flat repair with us kids was friction tape? We considered it>>> routine to pump up the tires every day or two.
I don't care for the tubulars and their thin (leaky) latex tubes or>> their repairs. Today there is no "friction" tape so we use duct>> tape for those applications.
Friction tape is still around, but duct tape (the handyman's secret> weapon; no job is complete without it{TM}) has largely replaced it.
By the way, it isn't commonly known why the stuff was called>> friction tape, probably because it was so commonly misused. When>> insulating a wire joint to the electrical code, electricians used a>> grey rubber "insulating" tape which was then wrapped in "friction">> tape to protect against abrasion. Most folks never saw the>> insulating tape and just wrapped the joint in friction tape for>> which today plastic electrical tape serves both purposes... but it>> doesn't work for tire repairs.
None of the friction tape I've had would have worked for tire> repairs unless you were using an inflation gas with a molecular> diameter large enough for the particles to be visible.
Hold it! We were talking about tire repair not tube repair. Friction tape was used to hold a slashed or ruptured tire together. Today, the equivalent tape is duct tape (aka Duck tape).
This probably did not stop people from trying, however. (Come to> think of it, ISTR my father saying that when he was young, they> applied friction tape and then coated it with shellac to seal it in> place before trying to re-inflate. That would have been around WWI> and just after.)
I'm sure he wasn't talking about air leaks but rather casing failures.
Let's not misinterpret the thrust of the diversion from tube patching. We got into dollar bills and packing material somewhere on the course.
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:30:43 GMT, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
Coat rack writes:>
While we're waxing nostalgic, who remembers when all bikes were>>>> single speed, with glue-on high pressure tires? And the routine>>>> flat repair with us kids was friction tape? We considered it>>>> routine to pump up the tires every day or two.>
I don't care for the tubulars and their thin (leaky) latex tubes or>>> their repairs. Today there is no "friction" tape so we use duct>>> tape for those applications.>
Friction tape is still around, but duct tape (the handyman's secret>> weapon; no job is complete without it{TM}) has largely replaced it.>
By the way, it isn't commonly known why the stuff was called>>> friction tape, probably because it was so commonly misused. When>>> insulating a wire joint to the electrical code, electricians used a>>> grey rubber "insulating" tape which was then wrapped in "friction">>> tape to protect against abrasion. Most folks never saw the>>> insulating tape and just wrapped the joint in friction tape for>>> which today plastic electrical tape serves both purposes... but it>>> doesn't work for tire repairs.>
None of the friction tape I've had would have worked for tire>> repairs unless you were using an inflation gas with a molecular>> diameter large enough for the particles to be visible.>
Hold it! We were talking about tire repair not tube repair. Friction>tape was used to hold a slashed or ruptured tire together. Today, the>equivalent tape is duct tape (aka Duck tape).>
This probably did not stop people from trying, however. (Come to>> think of it, ISTR my father saying that when he was young, they>> applied friction tape and then coated it with shellac to seal it in>> place before trying to re-inflate. That would have been around WWI>> and just after.)>
I'm sure he wasn't talking about air leaks but rather casing failures.>
Let's not misinterpret the thrust of the diversion from tube patching.>We got into dollar bills and packing material somewhere on the course.>
None of the friction tape I've had would have worked for tire> repairs unless you were using an inflation gas with a molecular> diameter large enough for the particles to be visible.
Hold it! We were talking about tire repair not tube repair. Friction tape was used to hold a slashed or ruptured tire together. Today, the equivalent tape is duct tape (aka Duck tape).
This probably did not stop people from trying, however. (Come to> think of it, ISTR my father saying that when he was young, they> applied friction tape and then coated it with shellac to seal it in> place before trying to re-inflate. That would have been around WWI> and just after.)
I'm sure he was talking about casing failures rather than air leaks, because friction tape is non-stretch cloth and does not lend itself to patching a tube, as you pointed out above. Tubes that fit into a tire are smaller than the inside of the tire and expand to fill the volume. If a non-stretch cloth (friction) tape is used to seal the tube, assuming this is possible, it would cause necking in the inflated tire that would give a significant lump-lump-lump ride.
I'm sure he was talking about casing failures rather than air leaks,> because friction tape is non-stretch cloth and does not lend itself
patching a tube, as you pointed out above. Tubes that fit into a
tire> are smaller than the inside of the tire and expand to fill the volume.> If a non-stretch cloth (friction) tape is used to seal the tube,> assuming this is possible, it would cause necking in the inflated tire> that would give a significant lump-lump-lump ride.
I hope this doesn't mix up the issue too much, but here's a related tip I worked out, from necessity.
On a remote tour, my daughter's Terry front tire suffered a big cut in the tire sidewall. Since that bike uses an oddball 24" front wheel, there were no replacements for many hundreds of miles.
I stitched and triple-booted the tire (duct tape, Tyvek and cardboard), but it still bulged badly. So I took some more of the non-stretch cloth tape - AKA duct tape - and wrapped the tube completely at that spot, trying to approximate the diameter of the inflated tube.
This took the stress off the tire cords. I did pretty well on the diameter, as the lump-lump effect was almost unnoticeable. And yes, it held nicely over the next 300 miles or so to the bike shop where the replacement tire waited.
But back to the original topic: I wouldn't bother with anything but real patches to patch a tube.
On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:54:00 GMT, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org may have said:
Er, hold it! Read the message. Don't always shoot from the holster.
Yeah, the holster has this annoying tendency to be pointed at a foot...
I think, in retrospect, that you're right about the shellac on the friction tape being part of a tire casing repair; the conversation was a long time ago, and may have been subject to much loss of details. I suspect that the shellac was to keep it from unravelling as fast as it otherwise might have, and to glue it in place on the rim at the same time. Of course, those were early tubular tires, so it may also be that the friction tape was holding the casing closed at the point where it had been opened to patch the tube. That might explain the shellac.
I haven't used any for tire repairs, but I still keep several rolls of duct tape around. (I even used some on a duct last month; fancy that.)
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On 19 Mar 2005 00:49:19 -0800, "Jay K" <pumpkincycle@earthlink.net> may have said:
Recently I got two flats-bang-bang-then discovered big slit in tire>that tube was poking though at 100psi; so had to inflate to 70psi and>bounce along back home. After awile I remembered Cliff Bar in>pocket--used mylar like wrapper, booted tire, and filled to 100psi.>Worked well.>
Took old tire, cut into 4" pieces, cut off bead, and now have a piece>in my saddebag for next time I need emergency boot.
For best results, I'd bevel the ends of those sections. A few minutes of work with the Dremel might prevent a failure where the tube crosses the end of the boot.
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Arthur Shapiro 21 March 2005 21:29:24 [ permanent link ]
In article <svkp31ti7472g2ic879aqf1c4sdjar3tad@4ax.com>, Werehatrack <rault00@earthWEEDSlink.net> wrote:
I haven't used any for tire repairs, but I still keep several rolls of>duct tape around. (I even used some on a duct last month; fancy>that.)>
Really? I thought that was a Bad Thing these days, as it tends to dry out when used in HVAC applications - that's why "they" have that quite permanent aluminum tape - like a super-thick foil with an adhesive backing. My A/C repairman accidentally left a roll behind a couple years ago; it's really neat stuff.
Friction tape is wonderful around handlebars for minimizing the dreaded handlebar tape shift for non-adhesive tapes. The brand names are suprisingly expensive now, but no-name friction tape from WalMart at a buck or so seems fine to me.
On 17 Mar 2005 09:31:34 -0800, andresmuro@aol.com may have said:
Tie a knot to isolate the punctured area. Inflate and ride.
How do you put a knot in a torus without making a loop and thereby reducing the tube's circumference to the point where it won't stretch around the rim?
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:18:20 -0600, Werehatrack <rault00@earthWEEDSlink.net> wrote:
On 17 Mar 2005 09:31:34 -0800, andresmuro@aol.com may have said:>
Tie a knot to isolate the punctured area. Inflate and ride.>
How do you put a knot in a torus without making a loop and thereby>reducing the tube's circumference to the point where it won't stretch>around the rim?
Dear Werehatrack,
You cut the tube in half at the leak, tie a knot in each end, pump it up, and limp home--they even made tubes like this.
<carlfogel@comcast.net> wrote: (clip) You cut the tube in half at the leak, tie a knot in each end, (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Carl, can you really tie a knot in the end of a severed tube so it does not leak? Can you tie TWO with any real hope that they will both hold?
I suppose you could fill the tube with grass, weeds and leaves, and then tie the knots. THAT wouldn't leak. But then, why couldn't you just stuff the tire with grass, weeds and leaves, and keep the tube intact so you can patch it when you get home?
You cut the tube in half at the leak, tie a knot in each end.
Can you really tie a knot in the end of a severed tube so it does> not leak? Can you tie TWO with any real hope that they will both> hold?
You bet! This is another one of those things that you should not forget lest you run into such a situation. The other is that slow leaks can be fixed with whole milk in the tire to tide you over to where you can get another tube and some patches. The tube is a hazard with butter in it. Its as dangerous as slime if you get a real flat because it slides all over the road.
I suppose you could fill the tube with grass, weeds and leaves, and> then tie the knots. THAT wouldn't leak. But then, why couldn't you> just stuff the tire with grass, weeds and leaves, and keep the tube> intact so you can patch it when you get home?
The grass thing is a dire last resort if you can get no air into the tube, but you can't get stuffing INSIDE a tube, only in the tire. It isn't easy and it takes time to stuff a tire. My choice is to ride it flat, which works better with wire bead tires than with Kevlar.
Werehatrack wrote:> On 17 Mar 2005 09:31:34 -0800, andresmuro@aol.com may have said:>
Tie a knot to isolate the punctured area. Inflate and ride.>
How do you put a knot in a torus without making a loop and thereby> reducing the tube's circumference to the point where it won't stretch> around the rim?>
I read that you cut it. However, I've done it without cutting the tire and tied the knot as tight as possible. I stretched the tire and it fit.
<carlfogel@comcast.net> wrote: (clip) So I just cut the tube at the leak with a handy pair of shears, knotted each end tightly, and pumped it up. It held air in the sink and is still holding. (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From your description, I take it that this was an experiment that you conducted for this occasion, and it was still going on at the time of the above writing.
Thank you. It sure sounds easier than the leaf trick, but, until now, I did not think it would work. Since i have a pair of scissors on my multi-tool, I guess I am ready for anything.
<jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org.(clip) slow leaks can be fixed with whole milk in the tire to tide you over to where you can get another tube and some patches. The tube is a hazard with butter in it.(clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ First, I assume you mean milk in the tube, rather than the tire. So, what do you do? Cut the tire, tie a knot and then have someone hold it while you pour? Or do you pour it into your tire pump, and then inject it?
I'm kinda slow, but I think the thing about the butter is a joke. But is the milk a joke? Please help me. I'd rather look dumb here than on the trail.
dangerous as slime if you get a real flat because it slides all>> over the road.
Never heard that one before. Sounds logical.
It is even more convincing when it happens. My last tubulars made by Clement carried me on my tour of the alps and because they were improperly assembled, the "underpants" that cover the selvedge at the edge of the seam were not properly positioned so the tube gradually wore through causing a line of micro-leaks. Two other tires had that problem before so I had no spare. I stopped at a milking shed on the Klausen Pass and got some rich Swiss whole milk and pumped a shot into the rear tire. That stopped the air loss but a couple of weeks later, back home, I rode with a group down a trail (Saratoga Toll Rd) fast and then lead the group on a dash to Boulder Creek.
On the trail, the poor quality (Campionato del Mundo) reached its limit and ruptured under the tread without me noticing, blew out with a resounding high pitched fart, as air emerged from under the tread. My friends got sprayed with sour milk and I slid all across the straight and empty HWY9 on butter fat, trying to control the bicycle. I didn't fall but from that I know what a flat with slime would do.
Now that I think of it, Slime should have sand in it to prevent internal tire lubricity.
Slow leaks can be fixed with whole milk in the tire to tide you>> over to where you can get another tube and some patches. The tube>> is a hazard with butter in it.(clip)
First, I assume you mean milk in the tube, rather than the tire.> So, what do you do? Cut the tire, tie a knot and then have someone> hold it while you pour? Or do you pour it into your tire pump, and> then inject it?
No you... oops, people don't have Silca Impero frame pumps anymore. Anyway you use a pump to shoot it through the valve. A CO2 cartridge won't do.
I'm kinda slow, but I think the thing about the butter is a joke. But is > the milk a joke? Please help me. I'd rather look dumb here than on the > trail.
You see that big yellow pump behind the seat tube and the black one ahead of the other seat tube? That is easily used to pump a tire full of water or just give it a shot of rich milk... or Slime if you have some on hand.
dangerous as slime if you get a real flat because it slides all>>>over the road.>
Never heard that one before. Sounds logical.>
It is even more convincing when it happens. My last tubulars made by> Clement carried me on my tour of the alps and because they were> improperly assembled, the "underpants" that cover the selvedge at the> edge of the seam were not properly positioned so the tube gradually> wore through causing a line of micro-leaks. Two other tires had that> problem before so I had no spare. I stopped at a milking shed on the> Klausen Pass and got some rich Swiss whole milk and pumped a shot into> the rear tire. That stopped the air loss but a couple of weeks later,> back home, I rode with a group down a trail (Saratoga Toll Rd) fast> and then lead the group on a dash to Boulder Creek.>
On the trail, the poor quality (Campionato del Mundo) reached its> limit and ruptured under the tread without me noticing, blew out with> a resounding high pitched fart, as air emerged from under the tread.> My friends got sprayed with sour milk and I slid all across the> straight and empty HWY9 on butter fat, trying to control the bicycle.> I didn't fall but from that I know what a flat with slime would do....
Why isn't this in the FAQ's?
-- Tom Sherman - Earth (Downstate Illinois, North of Forgottonia)
dangerous as slime if you get a real flat because it slides all>>>> over the road.
Never heard that one before. Sounds logical.
It is even more convincing when it happens. My last tubulars made by>> Clement carried me on my tour of the alps and because they were>> improperly assembled, the "underpants" that cover the selvedge at the>> edge of the seam were not properly positioned so the tube gradually>> wore through causing a line of micro-leaks. Two other tires had that>> problem before so I had no spare. I stopped at a milking shed on the>> Klausen Pass and got some rich Swiss whole milk and pumped a shot into>> the rear tire. That stopped the air loss but a couple of weeks later,>> back home, I rode with a group down a trail (Saratoga Toll Rd) fast>> and then lead the group on a dash to Boulder Creek.
On the trail, the poor quality (Campionato del Mundo) reached its>> limit and ruptured under the tread without me noticing, blew out with>> a resounding high pitched fart, as air emerged from under the tread.>> My friends got sprayed with sour milk and I slid all across the>> straight and empty HWY9 on butter fat, trying to control the bicycle.>> I didn't fall but from that I know what a flat with slime would do....
Why isn't this in the FAQ's?
We don't ride tubulars anymore and can access the tube for a patch or some other kind of assistance. This is mainly an interesting anecdote and a lesson about lubricious material inside a tube.
dangerous as slime if you get a real flat because it slides all>>>>>over the road.>
Never heard that one before. Sounds logical.>
It is even more convincing when it happens. My last tubulars made by>>>Clement carried me on my tour of the alps and because they were>>>improperly assembled, the "underpants" that cover the selvedge at the>>>edge of the seam were not properly positioned so the tube gradually>>>wore through causing a line of micro-leaks. Two other tires had that>>>problem before so I had no spare. I stopped at a milking shed on the>>>Klausen Pass and got some rich Swiss whole milk and pumped a shot into>>>the rear tire. That stopped the air loss but a couple of weeks later,>>>back home, I rode with a group down a trail (Saratoga Toll Rd) fast>>>and then lead the group on a dash to Boulder Creek.>
On the trail, the poor quality (Campionato del Mundo) reached its>>>limit and ruptured under the tread without me noticing, blew out with>>>a resounding high pitched fart, as air emerged from under the tread.>>>My friends got sprayed with sour milk and I slid all across the>>>straight and empty HWY9 on butter fat, trying to control the bicycle.>>>I didn't fall but from that I know what a flat with slime would do....>
Why isn't this in the FAQ's?>
We don't ride tubulars anymore and can access the tube for a patch or> some other kind of assistance. This is mainly an interesting anecdote> and a lesson about lubricious material inside a tube.
Think of the potential dairy marketing board endorsements!
-- Tom Sherman - Earth (Downstate Illinois, North of Forgottonia)
[snip] blew out with> a resounding high pitched fart, as air emerged from under the tread.> My friends got sprayed with sour milk and I slid all across the> straight and empty HWY9 on butter fat, trying to control the bicycle.
It is even more convincing when it happens. My last tubulars made by> Clement carried me on my tour of the alps and because they were> improperly assembled, the "underpants" that cover the selvedge at the> edge of the seam were not properly positioned so the tube gradually> wore through causing a line of micro-leaks. Two other tires had that> problem before so I had no spare. I stopped at a milking shed on the> Klausen Pass and got some rich Swiss whole milk and pumped a shot into> the rear tire. That stopped the air loss but a couple of weeks later,> back home, I rode with a group down a trail (Saratoga Toll Rd) fast> and then lead the group on a dash to Boulder Creek....
How does a milk filled tire compare to an air filled tire regarding blow-off from rim braking generated heat?
-- Tom Sherman - Earth (Downstate Illinois, North of Forgottonia)
It is even more convincing when it happens. My last tubulars made>> by Clement carried me on my tour of the alps and because they were>> improperly assembled, the "underpants" that cover the selvedge at>> the edge of the seam were not properly positioned so the tube>> gradually wore through causing a line of micro-leaks. Two other>> tires had that problem before so I had no spare. I stopped at a>> milking shed on the Klausen Pass and got some rich Swiss whole milk>> and pumped a shot into the rear tire. That stopped the air loss>> but a couple of weeks later, back home, I rode with a group down a>> trail (Saratoga Toll Rd) fast and then lead the group on a dash to>> Boulder Creek....
How does a milk filled tire compare to an air filled tire regarding> blow-off from rim braking generated heat?
That's rubber between you and the road if you aren't banked over and that works like an inflated tire. Ive done that often enough. It's the lubrication in the tube that makes the flat tire walk sideways and have no fixed track.
On the trail, the poor quality (Campionato del Mundo) reached its> limit and ruptured under the tread without me noticing, blew out with> a resounding high pitched fart, as air emerged from under the tread.> My friends got sprayed with sour milk and I slid all across the> straight and empty HWY9 on butter fat, trying to control the bicycle.> I didn't fall but from that I know what a flat with slime would do.
Rumor has it one of your friends let out a blood /curdling/ yell.
<jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org.(clip) slow leaks can be fixed with whole > milk in the tire to tide you over to where you can get another tube and some > patches. The tube is a hazard with butter in it.(clip)
Leo Lichtman wrote:> First, I assume you mean milk in the tube, rather than the tire. So, what > do you do? Cut the tire, tie a knot and then have someone hold it while you > pour? Or do you pour it into your tire pump, and then inject it?> I'm kinda slow, but I think the thing about the butter is a joke. But is > the milk a joke? Please help me. I'd rather look dumb here than on the > trail.
When I was young it was a common fix for a slow leak in an expensive tubular. Suck up an ounce or so of milk in your Silca, shoot it in, air fully and ride. The warm milk congeals along the outside of the tube, plugging those small, difficult to find holes much like Tufo Sealer.
While 'butter' may be technically correct (?), the smell when deflating later is just awful. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971
<jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org> wrote: (clip)I slid all across the straight and empty HWY9 on butter fat, (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ May I suggest you try buttermilk next time? Judging by the way it looks on the glass after it's drunk, it looks like it would plug leaks pretty well. (Last sentence derived from an old Shelly Berman routine.)
We don't ride tubulars anymore and can access the tube for a patch> or some other kind of assistance. This is mainly an interesting> anecdote and a lesson about lubricious material inside a tube.
How many people get turned on by curdled milk or slime?[1] Or did you mean the *other* kind of lubricious?
<jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org> wrote: (clip) tribulus terrestris grows as flat as a mowed lawn (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I wonder whether that is an evolutionary survival adaptation.
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 03:02:41 GMT, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org may have said:
... If you read the literature, this plant [puncture vine] is common>all over this continent, carried by motor vehicle tires to the ends of>the earth, so to speak.
Apparently there are climates in which it has not yet appeared or doesn't thrive. I have yet to encounter it in the Gulf Coast area nor in the inland regions of the South, but this may be due to the fact that year-round vegetation in the region tends to be lush. On the other hand, I believe that it is present on the beach sand dunes of coastal Florida on the Atlantic side, or else there's another beast that's remarkably similar there.
It thrives there where the HWY department>combats summer grass fires by spraying roadsides and thereby>unwittingly preparing them for puncture vine growth because this plant>will not compete with other growth. That's where the phrase>"disturbed soil" in the description comes from.
This may explain its absence here in southern and eastern Texas, then; our roadside treatment regimes tned to be limited to mowing the lush grasses two times during the course of the summer. The roads most heavily travelled have paved shoulders, obviating the need for any spraying, and the roads with less traffic receive no such extravagances in any event. I have seen some herbicide spraying at the base of guardrails where the mowers can't reach, but apparently this has not cleared enough of an area to present an opportunity for the wayfaring puncture vine seeds to become established.
Yes but the people most afflicted by [poison oak] are less good >at [identifying] it. That's why they get it so bad... and why some >people always get thorns in their tires. I didn't think I had to >explain the linkage between these two scenarios, but there it is.
In some areas, the presence of a sufficient diversity and abundance of flora may serve to mask the offender through the mimicry of the characteristic leaf shape of poison oak (and even more so for poison sumac) in a number of other unrelated species. It also goes unnoticed in part because the effects are often not correctly attributed; it can take as much as a day or two for symptoms to appear, at which point there's usually enough back trail involved that identifying the specific offender is a matter of guesswork. Poison ivy generally gets the blame in that case around here, as it's more common and more easily spotted, and is readily recognized by most people who engage in outdoor activities. It's also more likely to actually be the culprit locally; while I've looked for poison oak in this area, I've never spotted any...but I have to dispose of poison ivy vines from my yard several times a year; it's common in the bayou behind my house.
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