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as i got up from the ground..//..'it happens so fast'..
Wle 12 March 2005 22:04:19
	as i got up from the ground after a crash a few nights back, [still don;t know why, i went over a speed breaker hump, which i saw, it wasn;t all that tall or odd in any way, i wasn;t braking, i probably had stood slightly to allow bike to go over the bump with jarring me - next thing i know, i'm over the bars [road bike], my helmet thwacked the road, bike was bouncing over a guard rail on the side of the road, my shoulder got bumped and scraped.] anyway, it struck me that every crash i have ever had is just like that, 'it happens so fast' there is really no time to do anything specific. yet one reads advice about crashing - oh you should be loose, don;t put your arms out, roll on the ground, etc. my question is, how in the hell does anyone have time to DO any of that? invariably all i remember is, i am suddenly on the ground, no memory of doing anything in particular. it was the same when i hit a left turning car, when i went over some wet railroad tracks, when the back tire slipped on wet leaves going up a hill. when i stopped too fast to 'advise' a motorist who was following too closely.. wle.
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Zog The Undeniable 12 March 2005 22:20:27 [ permanent link ]
	wle wrote: as i got up from the ground after a crash a few nights back,> [still don;t know why, i went over a speed breaker hump,> which i saw, it wasn;t all that tall or odd in any way,> i wasn;t braking, i probably had stood slightly> to allow bike to go over the bump with jarring me - next thing> i know, i'm over the bars [road bike],> my helmet thwacked the road, bike was bouncing over a guard rail> on the side of the road, my shoulder got bumped and scraped.]> anyway, it struck me that every crash i have ever had is just like> that, 'it happens so fast' there is really no time to do anything> specific.> yet one reads advice about crashing -> oh you should be loose,> don;t put your arms out,> roll on the ground, etc.> my question is, how in the hell does anyone have time to DO any of> that? Practice. We used to ride along the grass and jump off when we were kids (and we bounced more easily). I'm sure it's come in useful since.
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Petengail@Yahoo.Com 12 March 2005 23:34:39 [ permanent link ]
	wle wrote: anyway, it struck me that every crash i have ever had is just like> that, 'it happens so fast' there is really no time to do anything> specific.> yet one reads advice about crashing -> oh you should be loose,> don;t put your arms out,> roll on the ground, etc.> my question is, how in the hell does anyone have time to DO any of> that?> invariably all i remember is, i am suddenly on the ground, no memory> of doing anything in particular.> I am mentally just fast enough to think "oh sh*t this is gonna hurt" and recognize my error and then I am on the ground, coming to. Twice around 15 mph (pea gravel, wet railroad tracks) and once about 30 mph (wash of sand in road from heavy rains) in the last 20 years. A rate of bike accidents I can deal with. App
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Mark Hickey 13 March 2005 04:09:58 [ permanent link ]
	"wle" <wle@mailinator.com> wrote: yet one reads advice about crashing -> oh you should be loose,> don;t put your arms out,> roll on the ground, etc.> my question is, how in the hell does anyone have time to DO any of>that? It's hard on a bike - I crashed a few weeks ago, and by the time I knew I was in trouble, the ground was coming up to erase a good bit of skin off my left side. I DID have the opportunity to follow the advice above once though... I was riding with a buddy on motorcycles through the southern Illinois countryside (being generally young and stupid). (now I'm not young) Thing is, he didn't tell me the front brake on his heavily modified Kawasaki 750 triple didn't work. Oops. So here I am flying down a heavily graveled overshoot "path" sideways at nearly 80mph, with the bars cranked to the stop trying to catch it. Then I ran out of rocks and hit the one nice tacky bit of asphalt. The bike high-sided SO hard it launched me on a long, high trajectory. The guy I was riding with described it thusly... "... the bike went end over end a couple times, then rolled a few times, then started spinning down the road... then you landed". While I was flying through the air, I had no idea which way was up. I wasn't wearing any gear (blue jeans, a t-shirt and windbreaker). I was thinking "so this is what getting killed in a motorcycle wreck is like". Then I though "no wait, I always told myself to relax". I distinctly remember having my arms out to my side (not a good idea), and pulling them in tight and trying to "relax" (probably didn't do a very good job of that). Fortunately, I landed off the road in the tall weeds, and mowed down a pretty healthy patch of 'em by the time I came to a stop. I figured I was horribly injured, so jumped to my feet to see which limbs were broken... kind of did a wimpy looking jumping jack. My buddy, who was simultaneously figuring out what he was going to tell my next of kin and/or how he was going to get whatever was left of me to the hospital thought I was trying to fly away. Maybe. In the end, I ended up with only some very light road rash in a couple spots and a shredded windbreaker. Small price, big lesson... always ride someone else's bike if you're going to crash. Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $695 ti frame
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Dan Burkhart 13 March 2005 04:41:51 [ permanent link ]
	wle Wrote: > as i got up from the ground after a crash a few nights back,> [still don;t know why, i went over a speed breaker hump,> which i saw, it wasn;t all that tall or odd in any way,> i wasn;t braking, i probably had stood slightly> to allow bike to go over the bump with jarring me - next thing> i know, i'm over the bars [road bike],> my helmet thwacked the road, bike was bouncing over a guard rail> on the side of the road, my shoulder got bumped and scraped.]> anyway, it struck me that every crash i have ever had is just like> that, 'it happens so fast' there is really no time to do anything> specific.> yet one reads advice about crashing -> oh you should be loose,> don;t put your arms out,> roll on the ground, etc.> my question is, how in the hell does anyone have time to DO any of> that?> invariably all i remember is, i am suddenly on the ground, no memory> of doing anything in particular.> it was the same when i hit a left turning car,> when i went over some wet railroad tracks,> when the back tire slipped on wet leaves going up a hill.> when i stopped too fast to 'advise' a motorist who was following too> closely..> wle. I did one of those a couple of years ago while out for a Sunday ride with my wife. She still howls with laughter when she tells the story. We were on a rail trail, and a couple of kids had built a hump beside the trail where they could catch some air. My wife knows me well enough to know that when I see something like that, I can't resist it, I just have to veer off the trail and give it a go. She looked back just in time to see me do a magnificent face plant in the gravel. The two kids watching were so stunned to see some old fart that didn't know enough to act his age take a tumble, that they just stood there with their mouths open. In all, it cost me one helmet, one pair of glasses, and a patch of skin on my forehead. (Oh yeah,and a bit of dignity) -- Dan Burkhart
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Guest 13 March 2005 10:04:05 [ permanent link ]
	Dan Burkhart wrote:> I did one of those a couple of years ago while out for a Sunday ride> with my wife. She still howls with laughter when she tells the story.> We were on a rail trail, and a couple of kids had built a hump beside> the trail where they could catch some air. My wife knows me well enough> to know that when I see something like that, I can't resist it, I just> have to veer off the trail and give it a go. She looked back just in> time to see me do a magnificent face plant in the gravel. The two kids> watching were so stunned to see some old fart that didn't know enough> to act his age take a tumble, that they just stood there with their> mouths open. It's too bad you didn't "clean" the jump. Once while riding home from work, I came upon a board-&-brick ramp some 10-year-old kids had built. Like you, I couldn't resist, but I got some good air and landed perfectly, briefcase and all. The kids were _very_ impressed! "He jumped it!! My God, he jumped it!!"
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Dan Burkhart 13 March 2005 17:13:31 [ permanent link ]
	frkrygow@yahoo.com Wrote: > Dan Burkhart wrote:> > I did one of those a couple of years ago while out for a Sunday ride> > with my wife. She still howls with laughter when she tells the> story.> > We were on a rail trail, and a couple of kids had built a hump> beside> > the trail where they could catch some air. My wife knows me well> enough> > to know that when I see something like that, I can't resist it, I> just> > have to veer off the trail and give it a go. She looked back just in> > time to see me do a magnificent face plant in the gravel. The two> kids> > watching were so stunned to see some old fart that didn't know> enough> > to act his age take a tumble, that they just stood there with their> > mouths open.> It's too bad you didn't "clean" the jump.> Once while riding home from work, I came upon a board-&-brick ramp> some> 10-year-old kids had built. Like you, I couldn't resist, but I got> some good air and landed perfectly, briefcase and all. The kids were> _very_ impressed! "He jumped it!! My God, he jumped it!!" You're only truly old when you begin to act your age. Or, put another way, it's never too late to have a happy childhood. -- Dan Burkhart
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Peter Cole 13 March 2005 17:29:39 [ permanent link ]
	wle wrote: anyway, it struck me that every crash i have ever had is just like> that, 'it happens so fast' there is really no time to do anything> specific.> yet one reads advice about crashing -> oh you should be loose,> don;t put your arms out,> roll on the ground, etc.> my question is, how in the hell does anyone have time to DO any of> that? If you do a lot of mountain biking you get much better at crashing. Most road cyclists just never crash enough to get good at it. Usually you don't have time to think, it's a matter of reflexes. Some people have great natural reflexes. My wife can frequently unclip during a crash and land on her feet running -- a trick I've never mastered.
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Lppl 19 March 2005 00:24:15 [ permanent link ]
	My experience has always (well, one exception) been that I immediatelly know when I've lost it. From there the whole event takes place in slow motion, with me sort of observing the whole thing as it happens, unable to do anything to stop it. The one exception was when I was rear ended by a motorcycle and went down hard and fast.
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