Why were/are traditional track pedals more of a flat design as opposed to the typical quill design of road pedals ? ( I know there were platform road pedals, but they are less common and typically touring oriented).
Retroed Bob <uctraingNOSPAMO@ultranet.com> writes:
Why were/are traditional track pedals more of a flat design as> opposed to the typical quill design of road pedals ? ( I know there> were platform road pedals, but they are less common and typically> touring oriented).
You mean, why doesn't the pedal cage curve around the outside with the little pointy bit sticking up? It's for clearance with the track. Notice that track pedals are narrower, like road pedals with the outside couple of cm sawed off. That's to keep the pedal from striking the track, which is often banked to a 43 degree angle.
The wider road pedal is there to provide support for the feet, since track events tend to take only a few minutes but road events can take 8 hours or more. Track riders usually position their foot with two toe straps, so the outer pointy thing isn't needed to help keep the foot from slowly creeping to the outside during pedaling.
Since I have big feet (size 13 US, 12 UK, 48 Euro) I usually found road pedals too narrow and used to saw or grind off the little pointy bit that stuck up on the outside edge of the pedal. Clipless pedals have eliminated this, although those newfangled pedals restrict what shoes you can wear while riding. I keep one bike- my commuter- with my modififed road pedaals because of that.
have you experience plywood? at 14W, i bought nbar bear traps and bolted ply both sides held by the traps teeth. comfort. the extra width allows the hips to motion in a more "natural" orbit with off course a slight decrease in forward speed. the mod takes no more than two hours to hack out.cut four squares.clamp together and sabresaw as one. drill ditto. and when crossing the 4 wide express blvd in a wide upstream arc keep that inside foot up!!
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:19:48 -0500, John Dacey <jdacey@businesscycles.com> wrote:
first touched down. On road pedals, the protruding loop joining the>front and rear cages (what's the name for that thing, anyway?)>------------------------------->John Dacey>Business Cycles, Miami, Florida>Since 1983>Comprehensive catalogue of track equipment: online since 1996.>http://www.businesscycles.com
It's called a quill.
Kinky Cowboy*
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"Ego sum rex Romanus, et supra grammaticam." - Sigismund On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:13:34 +0000, Kinky Cowboy <user@domain.com> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:19:48 -0500, John Dacey wrote:>
first touched down. On road pedals, the protruding loop joining the>>front and rear cages (what's the name for that thing, anyway?)
It's called a quill.
I'm mindful of the recent controversy here about "rake".
Over time in cycling, I've seen "quill" colloquially referring to all or various parts of pedal cages and also to distinguish track pedals from road models. Merriam-Webster online suggests that "quill" more properly describes a pedal's axle and bearing housing arrangement than the design and shape of the pedal body:
Perhaps one of rbt's Guardians of Proper Usage will provide more specifics.
------------------------------- John Dacey Business Cycles, Miami, Florida http://www.businesscycles.com Since 1983 Our catalog of track equipment: online since 1996 -------------------------------
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:24:59 -0500, John Dacey <jdacey@businesscycles.com> wrote:
"Ego sum rex Romanus, et supra grammaticam." - Sigismund>On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:13:34 +0000, Kinky Cowboy <user@domain.com>>wrote:>
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 12:19:48 -0500, John Dacey wrote:>>
first touched down. On road pedals, the protruding loop joining the>>>front and rear cages (what's the name for that thing, anyway?)>
It's called a quill.>
I'm mindful of the recent controversy here about "rake". >
Over time in cycling, I've seen "quill" colloquially referring to all>or various parts of pedal cages and also to distinguish track pedals>from road models. Merriam-Webster online suggests that "quill" more>properly describes a pedal's axle and bearing housing arrangement than>the design and shape of the pedal body:>
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:43:31 -0700, carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:24:59 -0500, John Dacey wrote:>>Perhaps one of rbt's Guardians of Proper Usage will provide more>>specifics.
Dear John,>
" . . . a hollow shaft . . .">
If only you had written that with a quill pen.
You guys impose too many conditions. It's easier to just remain ignorant.
------------------------------- John Dacey Business Cycles, Miami, Florida http://www.businesscycles.com Since 1983 Our catalog of track equipment: online since 1996 -------------------------------
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:40:39 -0600, Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote:
Since I have big feet (size 13 US, 12 UK, 48 Euro) I usually found>road pedals too narrow and used to saw or grind off the little pointy>bit that stuck up on the outside edge of the pedal. Clipless pedals>have eliminated this, although those newfangled pedals restrict what>shoes you can wear while riding. I keep one bike- my commuter- with>my modififed road pedaals because of that.
That's sort of my problem too... I have size 10's and I like to ride in sneakers a lot of the time (I know, barbaric, but I can hop off the bike and be in comfortable footwear... it works for me depending on where I am riding too). Anyway, I find that most road pedals are too narrow. The quill on the end gets in the way. I never considered grinding it off. There are a couple of vintage (platform) and more modern pedals (triangular a la early Shimano dura ace or 600) that do not have this issue).
That's sort of my problem too... I have size 10's and I like to ride> in sneakers a lot of the time (I know, barbaric, but I can hop off
bike and be in comfortable footwear... it works for me depending on> where I am riding too). Anyway, I find that most road pedals are too> narrow. The quill on the end gets in the way. I never considered> grinding it off. There are a couple of vintage (platform) and more> modern pedals (triangular a la early Shimano dura ace or 600) that> do not have this issue).
In article <1110691446.105611.113620@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, "41" <KingGeorgeXLI@yahoo.fr> wrote:
Retroed Bob wrote:>
That's sort of my problem too... I have size 10's and I like to ride> > in sneakers a lot of the time (I know, barbaric, but I can hop off> the> > bike and be in comfortable footwear... it works for me depending on> > where I am riding too). Anyway, I find that most road pedals are too> > narrow. The quill on the end gets in the way. I never considered> > grinding it off. There are a couple of vintage (platform) and more> > modern pedals (triangular a la early Shimano dura ace or 600) that> > do not have this issue).>
David L. Johnson 15 March 2005 18:48:30 [ permanent link ]
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 01:02:01 -0600, A Muzi wrote:
If you mean the actual threads are shorter,
yes
that was once > the 8mm length for steel cranks, pedals for aluminum cranks > having 12mm of thread.
That's about the difference, but both originally came on aluminum cranks. The track pedals were older, originally bought (not by me) in about 1965, while the road pedals were from 1970. Oddly, I think the track cranks are thicker than the road ones, but didn't check to be sure.
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David L. Johnson
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Donald Gillies 15 March 2005 23:17:35 [ permanent link ]
A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> writes:
The observant David L. Johnson wrote:>> But, but, the little pointy bit is sticking up, not down. Clearance is>> not improved by leaving it off.
My guess is that track pedals were simply an older design. The pointy>> thing was something added later, and trackies preferred the traditional>> style.
I'm inclined to go with David here as I've never heard any >other logical explanation. Many tortuous arguments, just >none that made any sense.
I'm guessing that road pedals have the foot-barb for the following reason. During a sharp lean on a road pedal, you can potentially have a "foot strike" where the side of your foot is abraded by the road. By installing the foot-barb on the road pedals, riders are sure to keep their feet inwards of the barb, to avoid getting their shoe skewered (I have many sized 11 converse all-star shoes with holes in them from my old raleigh grand prix.) The foot-barb ensures that a rider's foot will not hit the ground before the pedal in a "foot strike."
Similarly, when riding next to cliffs, the foot-barb ensures that rocky outcroppings will hit the barb before they hit your foot.
Track racers always use toe clips which keep their feet inwards and so there is no need for a foot-guard on the outside of a track pedal.
Second the motion; the MKS GR-9 is the nicest pedal I have ever used for cycling in normal shoes. -- David Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Kill the tomato! Today is First Brieday, March.
