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Jonathan Geater 9 April 2008 07:18:16
 I'm relatively new to cycling, coming from a track athletics background,
although I've been doing a 15-mile commute for the last couple of years
and some longer (30-odd mile) tempo rides in the summer evenings.
However, I have a real problem with cramping - today I did my first 10
mile TT, and did the second 5 miles with cramp biting at my inner thighs
all the way (limping home in 28:mumble - I've done 50 mile rides at
higher speeds than that!). This happens to me fairly often.

What can be done? Just put in more longer rides? More suitable
gearing? Eat more salt? It's very frustrating when you're doing 26mph
one minute and 16 the next...

Advice and references welcome.

Cheers,

Jon
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Mark & Steven Bornfeld 16 April 2005 20:01:25 [ permanent link ]
 Jonathan Geater wrote:
I'm relatively new to cycling, coming from a track athletics background, > although I've been doing a 15-mile commute for the last couple of years > and some longer (30-odd mile) tempo rides in the summer evenings. > However, I have a real problem with cramping - today I did my first 10 > mile TT, and did the second 5 miles with cramp biting at my inner thighs > all the way (limping home in 28:mumble - I've done 50 mile rides at > higher speeds than that!). This happens to me fairly often.>
What can be done? Just put in more longer rides? More suitable > gearing? Eat more salt? It's very frustrating when you're doing 26mph > one minute and 16 the next...>
Advice and references welcome.>
Cheers,>
Jon

Do you do the TT on a different bike? Do you warm up?

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Jonathan Geater 16 April 2005 20:08:02 [ permanent link ]
 
Do you do the TT on a different bike?
Yes, but I get it on both bikes.
Do you warm up?
Depends what you mean I guess. Today I did 3-4 miles about 20 minutes
before the start nice and steady, ~20mph on flat roads then stretched
out before lining up to go. Seemed like a reasonable warm-up to me but
maybe I should go longer.

You may be onto something though - I'm traditionally lazy in the warm-up
department as it's hardly ever affected me in other sports and I tend to
think that expending energy before the event is wasteful :-|­

Cheers,

Jon
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Peter Allen 16 April 2005 20:22:17 [ permanent link ]
 Jonathan Geater wrote:> I'm relatively new to cycling, coming from a track athletics> background, although I've been doing a 15-mile commute for the last> couple of years and some longer (30-odd mile) tempo rides in the> summer evenings. However, I have a real problem with cramping - today> I did my first 10 mile TT, and did the second 5 miles with cramp> biting at my inner thighs all the way (limping home in 28:mumble -> I've done 50 mile rides at higher speeds than that!). This happens> to me fairly often.> What can be done? Just put in more longer rides?

Probably won't help with cramps much but otherwise a good thing.
More suitable> gearing?

Would be worth trying to spin a bit faster (possibly); what sort of cadence
are you doing the TTs at?
Eat more salt?

Yes. And drink more water. And possibly try getting more magnesium (excuse
to eat nice dark chocolate).

Don't overdo stretching before your TT - warm up well, say 5 miles at
18-20mph going away from the start, then 5 miles back to the start with some
bursts at race pace, otherwise 16-20mph, aim to be back at the start with
3-5 minutes to wait, warm, heart rate at about your AT when you get there.
If you're thirsty drink a little bit, not a lot. Stretch gently, relax, wait
for your start.

Peter


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Raptor 16 April 2005 20:55:32 [ permanent link ]
 It's calves for me. Seems to be getting worse year by year.

Training, proper hydration and minerals. LSD works for me, though
"slower" in this case means just a little off as fast as I otherwise ride.

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Jet 16 April 2005 21:07:27 [ permanent link ]
 On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 16:08:02 GMT, Jonathan Geater
<jonathan.geater@nt­lworld.com> wrote:
Do you do the TT on a different bike?>Yes, but I get it on both bikes.>
Do you warm up?>Depends what you mean I guess. Today I did 3-4 miles about 20 minutes >before the start nice and steady, ~20mph on flat roads then stretched >out before lining up to go. Seemed like a reasonable warm-up to me but >maybe I should go longer.>
You may be onto something though - I'm traditionally lazy in the warm-up >department as it's hardly ever affected me in other sports and I tend to >think that expending energy before the event is wasteful :-|­>
Cheers,>
Jon

What is your weekly mileage? How many days a week do you ride? How many
days did you ride from October to March?

jj

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John Forrest Tomlinson 16 April 2005 21:29:14 [ permanent link ]
 On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:22:17 +0100, "Peter Allen"
<peteronusenet@hotm­ail.com> wrote:
say 5 miles at >18-20mph going away from the start, then 5 miles back to the start with some >bursts at race pace, otherwise 16-20mph, aim to be back at the start with >3-5 minutes

Riding five miles away from the start of a race and aiming to get to
the start 3-5 minute before seems to be cutting things awful close...

JT

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Jonathan Geater 16 April 2005 22:07:03 [ permanent link ]
 Peter Allen wrote:> Would be worth trying to spin a bit faster (possibly); what sort of cadence > are you doing the TTs at?

I don't know exactly, but it's in the lower range for sure. My
athletics background is in 200m/Long jump/triple jump so I'm more about
raw power than spinning. Or at least I think I am...

When I feel good I'm much more comfortable (and thus able to go faster
for longer) in 53x14 or so than higher up the cassette. This may just
be the inexperience showing.
Eat more salt?>
Yes. And drink more water.

I did think of this. Although I drank 500mls of water before the event
I was still very dry in the mouth.
Don't overdo stretching before your TT - warm up well, say 5 miles at > 18-20mph going away from the start, then 5 miles back to the start with some > bursts at race pace, otherwise 16-20mph,

I'll give that a go next time. Thanks.

Thanks all for helping me in my lameness :-)­

Cheers,

Jon
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Peter Allen 16 April 2005 22:24:42 [ permanent link ]
 John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:> On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:22:17 +0100, "Peter Allen"> <peteronusenet@hotm­ail.com> wrote:>
say 5 miles at>> 18-20mph going away from the start, then 5 miles back to the start>> with some bursts at race pace, otherwise 16-20mph, aim to be back at>> the start with 3-5 minutes>
Riding five miles away from the start of a race and aiming to get to> the start 3-5 minute before seems to be cutting things awful close...

Depends on what sort of TT you're doing, I guess. If it's basically a club
TT, then no-one really cares as long as your bike is on the start line with
a minute to go, and there aren't going to be huge crowds to fight through to
get there. If you turn round with 20 minutes to go (which you can have
accurately by looking over the timekeeper's shoulder at his watch), five
miles from the start (assuming you know where this is, or you have a working
computer), then you just have to do somewhere between 16 and 20 mph on the
way back, and you'll be fine. Not rocket science.

(yes, I know this doesn't leave much time for a puncture, but chances of
puncturing in the 6 miles or so where it would be a problem is about 1 in
100, and evening 10s are not so important you'd care about DNSing or showing
up late for one every five years or so)

Peter


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Pol Pot 16 April 2005 22:56:30 [ permanent link ]
 You need salt. Eat bananas. Add salt to your food.

"Jonathan Geater" <jonathan.geater@nt­lworld.com> wrote in message
news:dva8e.8366$WP4­.7746@newsfe6-gui.nt­li.net...> I'm relatively new to cycling, coming from a track athletics background, > although I've been doing a 15-mile commute for the last couple of years > and some longer (30-odd mile) tempo rides in the summer evenings. However, > I have a real problem with cramping - today I did my first 10 mile TT, and > did the second 5 miles with cramp biting at my inner thighs all the way > (limping home in 28:mumble - I've done 50 mile rides at higher speeds than > that!). This happens to me fairly often.>
What can be done? Just put in more longer rides? More suitable gearing? > Eat more salt? It's very frustrating when you're doing 26mph one minute > and 16 the next...>
Advice and references welcome.>
Cheers,>
Jon


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John Forrest Tomlinson 17 April 2005 01:25:55 [ permanent link ]
 On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 19:24:42 +0100, "Peter Allen"
<peteronusenet@hotm­ail.com> wrote:
John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:22:17 +0100, "Peter Allen">> <peteronusenet@hotm­ail.com> wrote:>>
say 5 miles at>>> 18-20mph going away from the start, then 5 miles back to the start>>> with some bursts at race pace, otherwise 16-20mph, aim to be back at>>> the start with 3-5 minutes>>
Riding five miles away from the start of a race and aiming to get to>> the start 3-5 minute before seems to be cutting things awful close...>
Depends on what sort of TT you're doing, I guess. If it's basically a club >TT, then no-one really cares as long as your bike is on the start line with >a minute to go, and there aren't going to be huge crowds to fight through to >get there. If you turn round with 20 minutes to go (which you can have >accurately by looking over the timekeeper's shoulder at his watch), five >miles from the start (assuming you know where this is, or you have a working >computer), then you just have to do somewhere between 16 and 20 mph on the >way back, and you'll be fine. Not rocket science.>
(yes, I know this doesn't leave much time for a puncture, but chances of >puncturing in the 6 miles or so where it would be a problem is about 1 in >100, and evening 10s are not so important you'd care about DNSing or showing >up late for one every five years or so)

If you're willing to be so risk-taking in your own planning, that's
fine, but it doesn't seem appropriate to give this sort of advice to a
beginner. It's certainly possible to get the same sort of warmup on a
circuit or something close to the venue and if it was me offering
advice that is what I would suggest -- or better yet doing the core of
the warm-up on a trainer a short distance from the start.. A three to
five minute margin in a ten mile ride seems silly to me, but I try to
do things carefully and plan for uncertainty.

JT


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Mark Fennell 17 April 2005 07:38:13 [ permanent link ]
 "Jonathan Geater" wrote:
<snip>> I have a real problem with cramping
<snip>

You should be able to entirely eliminate muscle cramping by drinking fluid
with salt during your race. Muscle cramps are predominantly due to low
sodium. To be clear, I'm talking about substantially more sodium than you
find in your typical sports drinks. If your expect to sweat a lot, you need
to add salt to your sports drink. Period.

The *worst* thing you can do is drink too much fluid without enough salt,
which could actually kill you (hyponatremia). Also, I've been told that
eating a lot of salt in your diet doesn't really help much because excess is
quickly eliminated. In other words, you can't really load up on sodium.

Mark


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Stewart Fleming 17 April 2005 09:27:58 [ permanent link ]
 

Mark Fennell wrote:
"Jonathan Geater" wrote:> <snip>>
I have a real problem with cramping>
<snip>>
You should be able to entirely eliminate muscle cramping by drinking fluid> with salt during your race. Muscle cramps are predominantly due to low> sodium. To be clear, I'm talking about substantially more sodium than you> find in your typical sports drinks. If your expect to sweat a lot, you need> to add salt to your sports drink. Period.

In an endurance race, I can understand this. Not in a 16km TT.
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John Forrest Tomlinson 17 April 2005 19:19:34 [ permanent link ]
 On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 20:38:13 -0700, "Mark Fennell"
<marco_fennelli@yah­oo.com> wrote:
"Jonathan Geater" wrote:><snip>>> I have a real problem with cramping><snip>>
You should be able to entirely eliminate muscle cramping by drinking fluid>with salt during your race.

You're suggesting drinking liquids during a 10-mile TT? Except
perhaps in extremely hot weather, that's bizarre. The event will be
only about 25 minutes long. Perhaps the OP should follow your advice
in his warmup, but not during the event itself.

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Buddy Jesus 17 April 2005 19:22:42 [ permanent link ]
 Bike fit. Go to a shop or cycling coach that know what they're doing and
make certain your position is correct.

"Jonathan Geater" <jonathan.geater@nt­lworld.com> wrote in message
news:dva8e.8366$WP4­.7746@newsfe6-gui.nt­li.net...> I'm relatively new to cycling, coming from a track athletics background, > although I've been doing a 15-mile commute for the last couple of years > and some longer (30-odd mile) tempo rides in the summer evenings. However, > I have a real problem with cramping - today I did my first 10 mile TT, and > did the second 5 miles with cramp biting at my inner thighs all the way > (limping home in 28:mumble - I've done 50 mile rides at higher speeds than > that!). This happens to me fairly often.>
What can be done? Just put in more longer rides? More suitable gearing? > Eat more salt? It's very frustrating when you're doing 26mph one minute > and 16 the next...>
Advice and references welcome.>
Cheers,>
Jon


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Raptor 17 April 2005 20:54:56 [ permanent link ]
 Jim Weeks wrote:> "Raptor" <lawall@xmission.co­m> wrote in message > news:d3sq9p$ji1$2@n­ews.xmission.com...>­
It's calves for me. Seems to be getting worse year by year.>>
Training, proper hydration and minerals. LSD works for me, though "slower" >>in this case means just a little off as fast as I otherwise ride.>>
hmm I'm thinking I see enough colors and flashy things when I'm biking as it > is.. a drop or two of the Lysergic probably wouldn't be a good thing...>
or am I off the mark on this LSD thing..>
jpw

It never even occurred to me that it would be misinterpreted, but the
context fits fine. I feel geeky.

It feels good.

(LSD: long slow distance)

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Mark Fennell 17 April 2005 21:40:48 [ permanent link ]
 JT wrote:> You're suggesting drinking liquids during a 10-mile TT? Except> perhaps in extremely hot weather, that's bizarre. The event will be> only about 25 minutes long. Perhaps the OP should follow your advice> in his warmup, but not during the event itself.

Oops, I didn't really read the OP. I just responded to the subject line. Of
course you and Stewart are correct wrt a short tt. The OP must not be
starting his event with his body chemistry in order, so maybe more salt in
his diet is the correct solution.


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Ewoud Dronkert 17 April 2005 22:29:05 [ permanent link ]
 On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:40:48 -0700, Mark Fennell wrote:> maybe more salt in his diet is the correct solution.

If you're not anal about avoiding any and all salt, you'll get plenty
without doing anything special. The average western diet has way too
much salt.


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Peter Allen 18 April 2005 01:16:48 [ permanent link ]
 Ewoud Dronkert wrote:> On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:40:48 -0700, Mark Fennell wrote:>> maybe more salt in his diet is the correct solution.>
If you're not anal about avoiding any and all salt, you'll get plenty> without doing anything special. The average western diet has way too> much salt.

If you cook all your own meals you can have a problem. But, yeah, eat out
often, or buy ready-meals or even moderately processed stuff, and you will
be getting your salt.

Peter


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Howard Kveck 18 April 2005 02:44:12 [ permanent link ]
 In article <d3ujo0$s0o$1@newsg­1.svr.pol.co.uk>,
"Peter Allen" <peteronusenet@hotm­ail.com> wrote:
Ewoud Dronkert wrote:> > On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:40:48 -0700, Mark Fennell wrote:> >> maybe more salt in his diet is the correct solution.> >
If you're not anal about avoiding any and all salt, you'll get plenty> > without doing anything special. The average western diet has way too> > much salt.>
If you cook all your own meals you can have a problem. But, yeah, eat out > often, or buy ready-meals or even moderately processed stuff, and you will > be getting your salt.>
Peter

I'd say that snack type foods are the probably the worst for excessive
salt content. But I think that many Americans are kind of freaked out about
using too much salt when they cook, and they seriously underseason what
they're cooking. Salt makes whatever food item you're cooking taste more
like itself.

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Jim Weeks 18 April 2005 05:35:52 [ permanent link ]
 
"Raptor" <lawall@xmission.co­m> wrote in message
news:d3sq9p$ji1$2@n­ews.xmission.com...>­ It's calves for me. Seems to be getting worse year by year.>
Training, proper hydration and minerals. LSD works for me, though "slower" > in this case means just a little off as fast as I otherwise ride.>


hmm I'm thinking I see enough colors and flashy things when I'm biking as it
is.. a drop or two of the Lysergic probably wouldn't be a good thing...

or am I off the mark on this LSD thing..


jpw


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H Squared 18 April 2005 05:45:31 [ permanent link ]
 Jonathan Geater wrote:>
What can be done? Just put in more longer rides? More suitable > gearing? Eat more salt? It's very frustrating when you're doing 26mph > one minute and 16 the next...>
Advice and references welcome.

have you done a google search on the subject? this site seems fairly
informative
http://www.medicine­net.com/muscle_cramp­s/article.htm#1whata­re
(11 or so pages of info)


h

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Ewoud Dronkert 18 April 2005 12:24:17 [ permanent link ]
 On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:54:56 -0600, Raptor wrote:> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:54:56 -0600> NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 04:55:50 +0000 (UTC)

I guess your clock is off.


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Stewart Fleming 18 April 2005 13:01:56 [ permanent link ]
 

Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:40:48 -0700, Mark Fennell wrote:>
maybe more salt in his diet is the correct solution.>
If you're not anal about avoiding any and all salt, you'll get plenty> without doing anything special. The average western diet has way too> much salt.

Word. Haven't taken any additional salt here on food since 1987.
No mayonnaise on chips, neither.
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Randy Hermann 18 April 2005 18:59:39 [ permanent link ]
 Which muscle(s) is(are) cramping? Both legs, or just one? Cramping at the
same time, same onset, or does one start before the other?

Cramping in cycling seems to occur primarily in the large muscles of the
quadriceps, the hamstrings, or to a lesser extent the calves. There is a
small muscle, the sartorius, that runs from the inner back side of the knee
up and across to the inner front of the groin. If you are sitting in a
chair, legs bent, feet apart, and raise one heel to the other knee you will
be using the sartorius muscle (and others). If you try to turn your heel in
or out while pedaling you will also be using your sartorius. If your pedals
do not allow float, and particularly if they do not allow smooth,
resistance-free float, you may end up fatiguing the sartorius muscles and
causing them to cramp. Since they are small, relatively unused muscles, it
will not take long to fatigue them. One solution that I know has worked is
to switch to Speedplay pedals which allow complete freedom of rotation,
unlike most(?) other pedals.

As previously stated, cramping in such a short event typically is not a
problem for a trained athlete eating a proper diet- even a questionable diet
should be sufficient. Do pay attention to your hydration every day of the
week- it is far better to come in to the event with your system in balance
than to try to correct something an hour beforehand.

Best of Luck,

Randy Hermann
Midwest Cycling Group

"Jonathan Geater" <jonathan.geater@nt­lworld.com> wrote in message
news:dva8e.8366$WP4­.7746@newsfe6-gui.nt­li.net...> I'm relatively new to cycling, coming from a track athletics background, > although I've been doing a 15-mile commute for the last couple of years > and some longer (30-odd mile) tempo rides in the summer evenings. However, > I have a real problem with cramping - today I did my first 10 mile TT, and > did the second 5 miles with cramp biting at my inner thighs all the way > (limping home in 28:mumble - I've done 50 mile rides at higher speeds than > that!). This happens to me fairly often.>
What can be done? Just put in more longer rides? More suitable gearing? > Eat more salt? It's very frustrating when you're doing 26mph one minute > and 16 the next...>
Advice and references welcome.>
Cheers,>
Jon


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Pat 16 February 2008 04:08:21 [ permanent link ]
 I am reading an article on cramps in the NY Times. It mostly talks about
cramps with running and cycling. I have had cramps swimming, but only on the
soles of my feet. I work them out by pushing off of the end wall forefully.
That usually does it. Has anyone had cramps in other locations while
swimming?

http://tinyurl.com/­2ct2vf



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Alexander Mcleod 16 February 2008 09:48:58 [ permanent link ]
 I sometimes get cramps in the sole of my one foot (not both at the same
time) early in my workout. I never thought of specifically using a pushoff
to alleviate them. It seems to occur partway through the lap and then goes
away over time and in the middle of the lap.

I've never had them elsewhere.

Sandy

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I am reading an article on cramps in the NY Times. It mostly talks about
cramps with running and cycling. I have had cramps swimming, but only on
the soles of my feet. I work them out by pushing off of the end wall
forefully. That usually does it. Has anyone had cramps in other locations
while swimming?
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Jjsimmons 16 February 2008 12:21:28 [ permanent link ]
 Pat wrote:
I am reading an article on cramps in the NY Times. It mostly talks about
cramps with running and cycling. I have had cramps swimming, but only on the
soles of my feet. I work them out by pushing off of the end wall forefully.
That usually does it. Has anyone had cramps in other locations while
swimming?


Lower leg cramps are common.
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Pat 16 February 2008 20:12:11 [ permanent link ]
 
Lower leg cramps are common.

In swimming? I just haven't heard of that. I have heard of cramps in cycling
and running, especially 'side stitches', but calf cramps in swimming?


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Bert 16 February 2008 21:02:56 [ permanent link ]
 
"Pat" <chime@clock.com> schreef in bericht
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I am reading an article on cramps in the NY Times. It mostly talks about
cramps with running and cycling. I have had cramps swimming, but only on
the soles of my feet. I work them out by pushing off of the end wall
forefully. That usually does it. Has anyone had cramps in other locations
while swimming?
http://tinyurl.com/­2ct2vf
Pat in TX

try this trick
- sit on the site of the pool (or elsewhere) and stretch your leg as good as
you can (no need to overdo it)
- toes are pointed towards the ceiling
- use your hand to touch the foot, your grip is from the toes downwards
- pull your toes gently towards your knee (again no need to overdo it)
- maintain for 10-15 seconds, then change from one foot to the other.


Pls let me know if this helps for you


Bert

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Jjsimmons 16 February 2008 22:43:16 [ permanent link ]
 Pat wrote:
Lower leg cramps are common.
In swimming? I just haven't heard of that. I have heard of cramps in cycling
and running, especially 'side stitches', but calf cramps in swimming?

http://www.swim-cit­y.com/library.php3?i­d=119
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Bob Burns 17 February 2008 16:45:10 [ permanent link ]
 Pat wrote:
Lower leg cramps are common.
In swimming? I just haven't heard of that. I have heard of cramps in cycling
and running, especially 'side stitches', but calf cramps in swimming?
I get cramps in the calf if I get out of condition by not swimming
enough. I can usually make them stop by walking in the shallow end for
a little while.

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Steve Freides 18 February 2008 07:18:10 [ permanent link ]
 "Pat" <chime@clock.com> wrote in message
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I am reading an article on cramps in the NY Times. It mostly talks
about cramps with running and cycling. I have had cramps swimming, but
only on the soles of my feet. I work them out by pushing off of the end
wall forefully. That usually does it. Has anyone had cramps in other
locations while swimming?
http://tinyurl.com/­2ct2vf
Pat in TX

Probably because you're trying to point your toes while you swim. There
are mental image things you can try which do help some people -
basically it involves thinking about relaxing the opposing muscles.

-S-


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Madelaine 18 February 2008 19:48:51 [ permanent link ]
 jjsimmons wrote:
Pat wrote:
Lower leg cramps are common.
In swimming? I just haven't heard of that. I have heard of cramps in
cycling and running, especially 'side stitches', but calf cramps in
swimming?
http://www.swim-cit­y.com/library.php3?i­d=119


I got these all the time when I was an AAU swimmer in the 70s. I
usually got them in the third hour of the 4 hour workout. We were
taught then to point our toes as part of the kick. I started to eat a
banana right after each workout for the potassium and they went away. I
still pointed my toes, and later in life I learned that my foot anatomy
is not normal (metatarsus adductus) so I was probably especially prone
to the calf spasms.
Madelaine
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Pat 18 February 2008 20:51:42 [ permanent link ]
 
I am reading an article on cramps in the NY Times. It mostly talks
about cramps with running and cycling. I have had cramps swimming, but
only on the soles of my feet. I work them out by pushing off of the end
wall forefully. That usually does it. Has anyone had cramps in other
locations while swimming?
Pat in TX
Probably because you're trying to point your toes while you swim. There
are mental image things you can try which do help some people - basically
it involves thinking about relaxing the opposing muscles.
-S-

I only get the sole cramps once in a blue moon. I couldn't tell you when the
last time was--maybe January. My attention right now is going toward making
sure my arm enters the water straight as I do the back crawl. I caught
myself starting the stroke part where the elbow bends while my arm was still
in the air!

Pat in TX


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Pat 3 March 2008 04:32:43 [ permanent link ]
 

Yep. Soles, toes, calves, thighs, ... you name it, I've had it. Not
every time I swim, but a bit more than I'd like to. The worst are the
thigh muscles. No stretching in the water is enough for a release, I
have to crawl (sic) out of the pool and limp around or warm myself up
in a sauna.

Do you do any other sports? Are you a vegetarian?

Pat in TX


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Duncan Heenan 10 March 2008 00:03:25 [ permanent link ]
 "rungirl4u" <justgotri@juno.com­> wrote in message
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I am a triathlete and yes, have experienced cramps while swimming. I
get them in the soles of my feet. But, if I have had a run or bike
workout prior to my swim that day I am more likely to get them in my
calves.
I find that stretching and hydration are key.
robin

Easting bananas can help some people also (high potassium content).

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Steve Freides 10 March 2008 01:23:54 [ permanent link ]
 "Duncan Heenan" <duncanheenan@tisca­li.co.uk> wrote in message
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"rungirl4u" <justgotri@juno.com­> wrote in message
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I am a triathlete and yes, have experienced cramps while swimming. I
get them in the soles of my feet. But, if I have had a run or bike
workout prior to my swim that day I am more likely to get them in my
calves.
I find that stretching and hydration are key.
robin
Easting bananas can help some people also (high potassium content).

I take 300 mg of potassium twice a day - makes a big difference for me.
Maybe it wouldn't be necessary if I ate more bananas ...

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com­


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Pat 10 March 2008 18:17:43 [ permanent link ]
 
Yep. Soles, toes, calves, thighs, ... you name it, I've had it. Not
every time I swim, but a bit more than I'd like to. The worst are the
thigh muscles. No stretching in the water is enough for a release, I
have to crawl (sic) out of the pool and limp around or warm myself up
in a sauna.
Do you do any other sports? Are you a vegetarian?
Yes, I do some other sports: running, skiing (both downhill & c-c),
cycling. Not a whole lot, though. Vegetarian -- nope, far from it.
Why?

I've just never seen such varied cramps in a person who does more than one
sport. I played soccer for 25 yers and didn't cramp when I was swimming. I
am a cyclist and my calf muscles got fatigued yesterday (too much headwind),
but it didn't affect my swimming. Ihave never heard of a swimmer who had to
crawl out of the pool to get release from a cramp. I asked if you were a
vegetarian because often they do not get enough iron.

Pat in TX


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Jjsimmons 10 March 2008 18:48:55 [ permanent link ]
 Pat wrote:
Yep. Soles, toes, calves, thighs, ... you name it, I've had it. Not
every time I swim, but a bit more than I'd like to. The worst are the
thigh muscles. No stretching in the water is enough for a release, I
have to crawl (sic) out of the pool and limp around or warm myself up
in a sauna.
Do you do any other sports? Are you a vegetarian?
Yes, I do some other sports: running, skiing (both downhill & c-c),
cycling. Not a whole lot, though. Vegetarian -- nope, far from it.
Why?
I've just never seen such varied cramps in a person who does more than one
sport. I played soccer for 25 yers and didn't cramp when I was swimming. I
am a cyclist and my calf muscles got fatigued yesterday (too much headwind),
but it didn't affect my swimming. Ihave never heard of a swimmer who had to
crawl out of the pool to get release from a cramp. I asked if you were a
vegetarian because often they do not get enough iron.

I think it has nothing to do with fatigue. It is a combination of an
imbalance of certain minerals and how you point your toes when swimming.
It is more likely to happen to swimmers doing hard workouts than in the
typical lap swimming session. For me it happens when I swim hard, not
when I am just putting in the yardage.
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Pat 11 March 2008 04:16:20 [ permanent link ]
 



I suspected that cramps had something to do with deficiency in some
minerals (magnesium, potassium, ...) and my blood checked. Nothing
unusual there.

The cramps are more likely the harder I push from the wall (or if I
use the starting block).

Have you tried taking supplements, say, one at a time. By that, I mean
taking magnesium for a couple of weeks and then switching to potassium,
etc., as a trial?


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Jjsimmons 11 March 2008 11:19:32 [ permanent link ]
 Pat wrote:
I suspected that cramps had something to do with deficiency in some
minerals (magnesium, potassium, ...) and my blood checked. Nothing
unusual there.
The cramps are more likely the harder I push from the wall (or if I
use the starting block).
Have you tried taking supplements, say, one at a time. By that, I mean
taking magnesium for a couple of weeks and then switching to potassium,
etc., as a trial?

A blood check assumes your system is in a normal state, which it
probably is when you go to the doctor for lab work. You probably don't
go in for lab work right after you've been sweating like a horse for two
hours. You probably go during the working day, when you've eaten
breakfast and/or lunch, and your body has had time to balance everything.

Given that many people can eliminate leg cramps by eating a few bananas,
it is likely that these mineral imbalances are temporary and acute, so
they wouldn't show in a blood test.
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Tom Lieser 22 March 2008 23:40:18 [ permanent link ]
 Cramps are fairly common among athletes who take a diuretic drug for
hypertension. They can cause potassium depletion, which can be
countered through diet or by taking a potassium supplement. Good idea
to check with your doctor.


Steve Freides wrote:
"Duncan Heenan" <duncanheenan@tisca­li.co.uk> wrote in message
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"rungirl4u" <justgotri@juno.com­> wrote in message
news:db4e32f4-11d1-­45f2-932e-1922d77ab5­0d@v3g2000hsc.google­groups.com...
I am a triathlete and yes, have experienced cramps while swimming. I
get them in the soles of my feet. But, if I have had a run or bike
workout prior to my swim that day I am more likely to get them in my
calves.
I find that stretching and hydration are key.
robin
Easting bananas can help some people also (high potassium content).
I take 300 mg of potassium twice a day - makes a big difference for me.
Maybe it wouldn't be necessary if I ate more bananas ...
-S-
http://www.kbnj.com­
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Walsh Family 9 April 2008 07:18:16 [ permanent link ]
 I came onto here because of my cramps, sigh, did a lot of reading and the
honest folks will admit no one really understands cramps. has anyone ever
tried swimming in tights to see if that helps??


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