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Guest 11 May 2005 17:05:51
	Yesterday it was really warm, in the 70s, and so of course everyone was out on their bikes. I went out for a ride with a group and I got back at nearly 8. On the way home, we passed a park and saw all these guys dressed up in medieval/knight garbs, with shields and swords and having big duels. They do this every tuesday night during the summer, and we see all these goobers getting out of their cars with their shields and doublets and other gear. In fact, they all looked like the stereotypical goober. Quite a sight. I thought of how funny it is that on a nice tuesday, we all get out on our bikes and they re enact scenes from LOTR. It was pretty amusing to watch. Judging from what I could see it's the only thing these people do out of doors. Well, at least it gets them out of their parent's basement!
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Pat 11 May 2005 17:45:44 [ permanent link ]
	: Yesterday it was really warm, in the 70s, and so of course everyone : was out on their bikes. I went out for a ride with a group and I got : back at nearly 8. On the way home, we passed a park and saw all these : guys dressed up in medieval/knight garbs, with shields and swords and : having big duels. They do this every tuesday night during the summer, : and we see all these goobers getting out of their cars with their : shields and doublets and other gear. In fact, they all looked like the : stereotypical goober. Quite a sight. I thought of how funny it is that : on a nice tuesday, we all get out on our bikes and they re enact : scenes from LOTR. It was pretty amusing to watch. Judging from what I : could see it's the only thing these people do out of doors. Well, at : least it gets them out of their parent's basement! You come across as elitist, disdainful, weird, judgmental, parochial, and chauvinistic (and one or two more words I don't want to post in a public place). Please stay in California. Pat in TX
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Michael 11 May 2005 17:59:02 [ permanent link ]
	Pat wrote:> You come across as elitist, disdainful, weird, judgmental, parochial, and> chauvinistic (and one or two more words I don't want to post in a public> place).> Please stay in California.> Pat in TX I thought "California" too, at first. But I'm pretty sure that "CA" is Canada. So we're safe.
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D. Dub 11 May 2005 18:55:06 [ permanent link ]
	....almost as funny/silly as grown men who dress up in full blown, silly colored team kit on their outrageuosly expensive bikes and pretend they are road bike racers!!! blanshay@videotron.ca news:fg0481hjab61t0vj3e4cvh8ql3230m7nfs@4ax.com...> Yesterday it was really warm, in the 70s, and so of course everyone> was out on their bikes. I went out for a ride with a group and I got> back at nearly 8. On the way home, we passed a park and saw all these> guys dressed up in medieval/knight garbs, with shields and swords and> having big duels. They do this every tuesday night during the summer,> and we see all these goobers getting out of their cars with their> shields and doublets and other gear. In fact, they all looked like the> stereotypical goober. Quite a sight. I thought of how funny it is that> on a nice tuesday, we all get out on our bikes and they re enact> scenes from LOTR. It was pretty amusing to watch. Judging from what I> could see it's the only thing these people do out of doors. Well, at> least it gets them out of their parent's basement!
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Diane Rocereto 11 May 2005 19:11:08 [ permanent link ]
	"D. Dub" <ddub@theendoftheuniverse.com> wrote in message news:e1pge.1318579$6l.496118@pd7tw2no...> ....almost as funny/silly as grown men who dress up in full blown, silly> colored team kit on their outrageuosly expensive bikes and pretend they road bike racers!!!> no, that's almost as funny/silly as when Dennis P. Harris goes to the beach and stuffs a potato down the front of his swimsuit and pretends that he is a real man
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William McHale 11 May 2005 19:34:47 [ permanent link ]
	Claire Petersky <cpetersky@mousepotato.com> wrote:> "Pat" <Pat@newstime.com> wrote in message> news:3eegjvF2nr5hU1@individual.net... [string of insults snipped] I thought she came across as bemusedly tolerant of other people's> eccentricities. Using the term goober and claiming that it is what gets them out of their parent's basement is not a sign of tolerance. Its painting them as being stereotypically non-functional people. As far as the the original poster knows these people might have careers, own their own homes and have families to go home to, just like most bike riders. Remember that many Americans view the original poster viewed them. -- Bill
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Bill Sornson 11 May 2005 19:58:43 [ permanent link ]
	Diane Rocereto wrote:> "D. Dub" <ddub@theendoftheuniverse.com> wrote in message> news:e1pge.1318579$6l.496118@pd7tw2no...>> ....almost as funny/silly as grown men who dress up in full blown,>> silly colored team kit on their outrageuosly expensive bikes and>> pretend they are road bike racers!!!>> no, that's almost as funny/silly as when Dennis P. Harris goes to the> beach and stuffs a potato down the front of his swimsuit and pretends> that he is a real man Grumpy group this AM. Bill "at least he didn't put the potato in the BACK of his swimsuit (old joke)" S.
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Peter Cole 11 May 2005 20:02:58 [ permanent link ]
	Claire Petersky wrote:> "Pat" <Pat@newstime.com> wrote in message> news:3eegjvF2nr5hU1@individual.net...> [string of insults snipped]> I thought she came across as bemusedly tolerant of other people's> eccentricities.> Pat, go ride your bike.> I've got to agree. My daughter is a huge LOTR fan, attending the opening of the last movie in full Legolas costume (sewn by yours truly), and she'd be the first to laugh at such goings-on as being hopelessly geeky, but would still probably want to join in. It's possible to both laugh with and at. Especially if you're a cyclist.
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Jeff Starr 11 May 2005 20:26:50 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 11 May 2005 07:11:05 +0930, "Claire Petersky" <cpetersky@mousepotato.com> wrote: "Pat" <Pat@newstime.com> wrote in message>news:3eegjvF2nr5hU1@individual.net...> [string of insults snipped]> I thought she came across as bemusedly tolerant of other people's>eccentricities.> Pat, go ride your bike. I agree. There was nothing mean about the original post. My first thought was, I wonder if any of them commented on the silly lycra clad, helmeted cyclist. Life is Good! Jeff
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Dennis Ferguson 11 May 2005 22:51:47 [ permanent link ]
	Pat <Pat@newstime.com> wrote:>: Yesterday it was really warm, in the 70s, and so of course everyone>: was out on their bikes. [...]> You come across as elitist, disdainful, weird, judgmental, parochial, and> chauvinistic (and one or two more words I don't want to post in a public> place).> Please stay in California. I can only wish "it was really warm, in the 70s" in California. It is half way through May, for God's sake, and I'm still having to wear long sleeve jerseys and undershirts to keep my (very thin) blood from congealing, even on afternoon rides. I've noticed they're having rather balmy weather in eastern Canada, though... Dennis Ferguson
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Dan 11 May 2005 23:35:22 [ permanent link ]
	D. Dub wrote:> ....almost as funny/silly as grown men who dress up in full blown, silly > colored team kit on their outrageuosly expensive bikes and pretend they are > road bike racers!!!> Agreed. What the hell is "LOTR"??? Dan
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Bill Sornson 12 May 2005 01:27:49 [ permanent link ]
	Dan wrote:> D. Dub wrote:>> ....almost as funny/silly as grown men who dress up in full blown,>> silly colored team kit on their outrageuosly expensive bikes and>> pretend they are road bike racers!!!>> Agreed.> What the hell is "LOTR"??? Lord, it rings a bell... Any help?
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Dan 12 May 2005 02:24:04 [ permanent link ]
	Bill Sornson wrote:> Dan wrote:> D. Dub wrote:>> ....almost as funny/silly as grown men who dress up in full blown,>>>silly colored team kit on their outrageuosly expensive bikes and>>>pretend they are road bike racers!!!>>> Agreed.>> What the hell is "LOTR"???> Lord, it rings a bell... Any help?> Word games. OK I'll bite. I've heard people described as being OTR, but I'm guessing it's not related. Must be some kind of kid-related pop-culture drek that has slipped beneath my childless radar. Seems to involve costumes. A character from "Star Wars", perhaps? I'm sure you're all ROFL'ing at my expense by now... Dan
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RonSonic 12 May 2005 04:00:51 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 11 May 2005 18:24:04 -0400, Dan <progradeNOspamm@hotmail.com> wrote: Bill Sornson wrote:>> Dan wrote:>> D. Dub wrote:>>> ....almost as funny/silly as grown men who dress up in full blown,>>>>silly colored team kit on their outrageuosly expensive bikes and>>>>pretend they are road bike racers!!!>>>> Agreed.>>> What the hell is "LOTR"???>> Lord, it rings a bell... Any help?>> Word games. OK I'll bite. I've heard people described as being OTR, but >I'm guessing it's not related. Must be some kind of kid-related >pop-culture drek that has slipped beneath my childless radar. Seems to >involve costumes. A character from "Star Wars", perhaps?> I'm sure you're all ROFL'ing at my expense by now... No, but I am surprised at your cultural illiteracy. Lord of the Rings. Read it. Despite the imitators, the movies and all else, it remains a classic of modern literature. One of the few truly great books of the last century. Ron
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Dan 12 May 2005 04:22:24 [ permanent link ]
	RonSonic wrote:> On Wed, 11 May 2005 18:24:04 -0400, Dan <progradeNOspamm@hotmail.com> wrote:> Bill Sornson wrote:>> Dan wrote:>>> D. Dub wrote:>>>> ....almost as funny/silly as grown men who dress up in full blown,>>>>>silly colored team kit on their outrageuosly expensive bikes and>>>>>pretend they are road bike racers!!!>>>>> Agreed.>>>> What the hell is "LOTR"???>>> Lord, it rings a bell... Any help?>>> Word games. OK I'll bite. I've heard people described as being OTR, but >>I'm guessing it's not related. Must be some kind of kid-related >>pop-culture drek that has slipped beneath my childless radar. Seems to >>involve costumes. A character from "Star Wars", perhaps?>> I'm sure you're all ROFL'ing at my expense by now...> No, but I am surprised at your cultural illiteracy. Lord of the Rings. Read it. > Despite the imitators, the movies and all else, it remains a classic of modern> literature. One of the few truly great books of the last century.> Ron-And I'm surprised at your gullibility. My remarks were tongue in cheek. A sense of humor. Get one. Or maybe you're just OTR... Dan
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Pat 12 May 2005 05:06:42 [ permanent link ]
	: : Ron-And I'm surprised at your gullibility. My remarks were tongue in : cheek. : : A sense of humor. Get one. : : Or maybe you're just OTR... : : Dan No, it's just that we can't SEE your cheek over the internet. All we can do is go by what you write. Pat in TX
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Dan 12 May 2005 06:07:38 [ permanent link ]
	Pat wrote:> :> : Ron-And I'm surprised at your gullibility. My remarks were tongue in> : cheek.> :> : A sense of humor. Get one.> :> : Or maybe you're just OTR...> :> : Dan> No, it's just that we can't SEE your cheek over the internet. All we can do> is go by what you write.> Pat in TX> Pat-I dunno, I thought the "Star Wars" thing was pretty... OH I get it, now YOU'RE doing it! Good one, Pat. Dan
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Mark Mitchell 12 May 2005 09:59:18 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 11 May 2005 22:24:49 -0700, bbaka wrote:> What does a good suit of armor cost these days? Bill Baka Depends what you're looking for. For just a vest, chain will run $200+, leather, about the same, plate, 3K and up. Toy swords (blades that aren't intended to ever actually hit anything, just look pretty) will start around $100-150. To get anything that'll actually do anything, daggers start around $100, swords can get into 4 digits. For your medieval shopping pleasure; http://www.chainmailstore.com/scamerchantsrow/ Note, I am not an expert in any of this, BTW. I've just known people who are into this stuff. More info at www.sca.org Mark
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Zoot Katz 12 May 2005 10:15:48 [ permanent link ]
	Thu, 12 May 2005 00:00:51 GMT, <fi7581heac8sgl449pvpjea8g5hbv85sk2@4ax.com>, RonSonic <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com> wrote of LOTR: Despite the imitators, the movies and all else, it remains a classic of modern>literature. One of the few truly great books of the last century. For damaged children, maybe. It's sappy dreck and a waste of time, IMO. I read and forgot it until I started to read it again years later. -- zk
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Tom Keats 12 May 2005 12:29:17 [ permanent link ]
	In article <b4t581pdmul573oda9ph6e7firremqra7g@4ax.com>, Zoot Katz <zootkatz@operamail.com> writes: It's sappy dreck and a waste of time, IMO. Speaking of which, I've been enjoying the latest Dr Who incarnation (Tuesday night, 8:00 PM, CBC/channel 2.) I particularly enjoy that it's so antithetical to the usual paramilitary settings in Hollywood sci-fi. Brass neck and audacious wisecracks, instead of uniforms and protocol and death-ray weapons. In the last episode, Rose (the Doctor's current companion) accidentally humanized the last surviving Dalek. Very moving. Especially when it wanted to feel sunlight, and described its humanly-mutated condition as "sickness", before offing itself. Also speaking of sappy dreck, I noticed tonight that the Park Theatre is doing a free show of Casablanca -- 7:00 PM, May 24. The Park had the whole city worried when they announced their closure. But it's only temporary, for upgrading seating & sound. And getting away from sappy dreck, but more good news -- I see via the Trans-Action listserv, Momentum magazine is coming back. Excellent. cheers, Tom -- -- Nothing is safe from me. Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca
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Jeff Starr 12 May 2005 19:31:05 [ permanent link ]
	On 12 May 2005 01:13:07 -0700, "rayl" <ray.lamb7@ntlworld.com> wrote: A Classic? No not really, pretentious,rambling, incoherent, chocked>full of Made up words. I suggest you read a real book without made up>words, If you're looking for fantasy, read Peake's Gormenghast trilogy,>Doesnt attract re-enactors either.In scale and depth it frankly blows>lotr (which is really only for people who read one book every fifteen>years anyway.> Oh Bugger i'm on the wrong list again. i will shut up now till i can>think of something to say about bikes and go away. I read the trilogy [that's right - 3 books + The Hobbit] over 30 years ago, when I was maybe 18, I enjoyed it. It's as simple as that. Tell me, does it somehow make you feel superior, to not only criticize the books, but those who read them. I really don't know if people who do this, are just nasty pricks, or if they suffer from some inferiority complex that requires them to demonstrate their attempts at superiority over others. I see this behavior with books, music, taste in movies, and lots of other area. Above, in this thread, someone felt the need to call Casablanca some kind of dreck. So, I guess, those of us who enjoyed Casablanca, and are Bogart fans, must lack taste. We all have our guilty pleasures and most find enjoyment in some things that are not the best of their genre. Instead of ripping on them, how about offering some positive options. For example, above - Hey, if you enjoyed LOTR, I suggest you check out "Peake's Gormenghast trilogy". That way you come across as helpful, rather than as an elitest literary snob. I'm not perfect at this either, but I try to refrain from that type of criticism. I just see this type of behavior, way too often on the internet. And finally, when I find myself on the wrong list, I just go away quietly. But, that's just me Life is Good! Jeff
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William McHale 12 May 2005 20:12:02 [ permanent link ]
	rayl <ray.lamb7@ntlworld.com> wrote: RonSonic wrote:>> On Wed, 11 May 2005 18:24:04 -0400, Dan <progradeNOspamm@hotmail.com>> wrote:>> Bill Sornson wrote:>> >> Dan wrote:>> >> D. Dub wrote:>> >>> ....almost as funny/silly as grown men who dress up in full> blown,>> >>>>silly colored team kit on their outrageuosly expensive bikes and>> >>>>pretend they are road bike racers!!!>> >>>> Agreed.>> >>> What the hell is "LOTR"???>> >> Lord, it rings a bell... Any help?>> >> Word games. OK I'll bite. I've heard people described as being OTR,> but>> >I'm guessing it's not related. Must be some kind of kid-related>> >pop-culture drek that has slipped beneath my childless radar. Seems> to>> >involve costumes. A character from "Star Wars", perhaps?>> > I'm sure you're all ROFL'ing at my expense by now...>> No, but I am surprised at your cultural illiteracy. Lord of the> Rings. Read it.>> Despite the imitators, the movies and all else, it remains a classic> of modern>> literature. One of the few truly great books of the last century.>> Ron A Classic? No not really, pretentious,rambling, incoherent, chocked> full of Made up words. I suggest you read a real book without made up> words, If you're looking for fantasy, read Peake's Gormenghast trilogy,> Doesnt attract re-enactors either.In scale and depth it frankly blows> lotr (which is really only for people who read one book every fifteen> years anyway. Not that this should be on a bike group but... I think it can effectively be argued that LOTR is a classic even if you don't like it. Whether one loves it (as millions do) or hate it (maybe as many as who love it) the work represents a watershed in fantasy literature; so must so that pretty much all of the fantasy written today in some sense embraces or reacts to the ideas that were present in it. -- Bill Oh Bugger i'm on the wrong list again. i will shut up now till i can> think of something to say about bikes and go away.
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Guest 12 May 2005 20:28:36 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 11 May 2005 16:26:50 GMT, Jeff Starr <jstarr@animalpc.com> wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2005 07:11:05 +0930, "Claire Petersky"><cpetersky@mousepotato.com> wrote:> "Pat" <Pat@newstime.com> wrote in message>>news:3eegjvF2nr5hU1@individual.net...>> [string of insults snipped]>> I thought she came across as bemusedly tolerant of other people's>>eccentricities.>> Pat, go ride your bike.> I agree. There was nothing mean about the original post. My first>thought was, I wonder if any of them commented on the silly lycra>clad, helmeted cyclist. > Life is Good!>Jeff They probably did and do.... they're so pasty looking they probably can't understand why anyone would actually go out in the sun when there's so much good stuff on the internet! And they're not the only people who think we look weird. Of course I'm tolerant.... but they did look so hiliarious, I had to laugh. Well, nothing is really wrong with a little fantasy... now I'm off to drink a flagon of Mead!
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Tom Keats 12 May 2005 23:28:02 [ permanent link ]
	In article <isr681higolqund4qtkt276b6c6bj3ij0h@4ax.com>, Jeff Starr <jstarr@animalpc.com> writes: Above, in this thread, someone felt the need to call Casablanca some> kind of dreck. 'Twas I. So, I guess, those of us who enjoyed Casablanca, and> are Bogart fans, must lack taste. Au contraire mon frere. Stories with sappy dreck content (such as Casablanca) can have all kinds of redeeming qualities and features. Maybe that even applies to some of those touchie-feelie Robin Williams efforts. Sappy dreckness itself can even work for a story. Kurt Vonnegut put it to good use, but he wasn't pretentious with it (IMO). I don't mind a little sappy dreck when I've got the taste for something sweet and fluffy. As long as it isn't too cloying or maudlin. But I've gotta admit, I find Tolkein's hobbit stuff can be rather too cute, and confusable with The Wizard of Oz. I think it owes much of its popularity to '60s drug culture. But it is an interesting exercise in artificial reality. And at least LOTR doesn't have a whole cult talking in Klingon or Elven (yet) (I hope). cheers, Tom -- -- Nothing is safe from me. Above address is just a spam midden. I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca
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Mark Mitchell 13 May 2005 00:30:16 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 12 May 2005 12:28:02 -0700, Tom Keats wrote: <snip> And at least LOTR doesn't have a whole cult talking in> Klingon or Elven (yet) (I hope).> Hate to break it to ya, but Elvish has been around for a long time. Both written and spoken. More than one dialect too, if I recall correctly. Hey, to each their own. Mark
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Guest 13 May 2005 03:05:53 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 12 May 2005 16:12:02 GMT, William McHale <mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote: A Classic? No not really, pretentious,rambling, incoherent, chocked>> full of Made up words. I suggest you read a real book without made up>> words, If you're looking for fantasy, read Peake's Gormenghast trilogy,>> Doesnt attract re-enactors either.In scale and depth it frankly blows>> lotr (which is really only for people who read one book every fifteen>> years anyway.> Not that this should be on a bike group but... >I think it can effectively be argued that LOTR is a classic even if you don't>like it. Whether one loves it (as millions do) or hate it (maybe as many>as who love it) the work represents a watershed in fantasy literature; so >must so that pretty much all of the fantasy written today in some sense >embraces or reacts to the ideas that were present in it. Well, that's true, a classic doesn't necessarily mean everyone will love it. I'm not a big fan of Jane Austen, and yet her books are classics. And as anyone who was an english major will tell you,we had to read plenty of books that were required because they are classics and we didn't like them. But you had to read them and write papers etc and had no choice. Like "Pilgrims Progress"- does anyone willingly read that? Fortunately it wasn't on any of my class reading lists, but there were other books I had to snore my way through. I also am among those who can't see the big appeal of LOTR. It seems to be that it's not really about how great the writing is, but it's about the characters and the whole 'world' it creates. I rarely hear anyone rave about the great writing; it's more about the story and the characters and the wizards. ANd there's a reason for that- the writing isn't really that good! And a lot of popular books are like that. Harlequin romances are dreck- it's the stories and the fantasy that are the big attractions. I'm just using them as an example. Anyways that's my opinion- remember, it's all subjective. We're all allowed to like or dislike any books, or bikes for that matter.
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1oki 13 May 2005 03:44:36 [ permanent link ]
	<blanshay@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:hrn78159fjvvtdmnkqbbh3fnmku5lkhig7@4ax.com...> On Thu, 12 May 2005 16:12:02 GMT, William McHale [...]> I also am among those who can't see the big appeal of LOTR. It seems> to be that it's not really about how great the writing is, but it's> about the characters and the whole 'world' it creates. I rarely hear> anyone rave about the great writing; it's more about the story and the> characters and the wizards. Me too. As genres I really like science fiction and alternate history. REaders of both have a fairly large crossover to fantasy. And to be fair their have been a few odd fantasy stories I have enjoyed - those done for humour with tongue firmly in cheek. I recall one short story that had a character named Condom the Trojan amongst other bon mots. When I was much younger I got The Hobbit, described to me as a good introductory book to LotR. I did finish it but I had absolutely no desire to read any more of the saga. We're all allowed> to like or dislike any books, or bikes for that matter. No. Everyone must like bikes! Just think: If Tolkein had put all of his coterie of characters on bikes he could have wrapped their quest in one book. -- 'Lemme 'splain... No, no time. Lemme sum up.' -inigo montoya
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RonSonic 13 May 2005 05:08:00 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 11 May 2005 20:22:24 -0400, Dan <progradeNOspamm@hotmail.com> wrote: RonSonic wrote:>> On Wed, 11 May 2005 18:24:04 -0400, Dan <progradeNOspamm@hotmail.com> wrote:>> Bill Sornson wrote:>>> Dan wrote:>>>> D. Dub wrote:>>>>> ....almost as funny/silly as grown men who dress up in full blown,>>>>>>silly colored team kit on their outrageuosly expensive bikes and>>>>>>pretend they are road bike racers!!!>>>>>> Agreed.>>>>> What the hell is "LOTR"???>>>> Lord, it rings a bell... Any help?>>>> Word games. OK I'll bite. I've heard people described as being OTR, but >>>I'm guessing it's not related. Must be some kind of kid-related >>>pop-culture drek that has slipped beneath my childless radar. Seems to >>>involve costumes. A character from "Star Wars", perhaps?>>> I'm sure you're all ROFL'ing at my expense by now...>> No, but I am surprised at your cultural illiteracy. Lord of the Rings. Read it. >> Despite the imitators, the movies and all else, it remains a classic of modern>> literature. One of the few truly great books of the last century.>> Ron-And I'm surprised at your gullibility. My remarks were tongue in >cheek.>A sense of humor. Get one. Oh. Claiming ignorance repeatedly is funny. I'll remember that. Or maybe you're just OTR... Hahha. Uhhh, what's that? Ron Dan
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Dan 13 May 2005 05:58:20 [ permanent link ]
	RonSonic wrote:> Oh. Claiming ignorance repeatedly is funny. I'll remember that.> Or maybe you're just OTR...> Hahha. Uhhh, what's that? See, you're a natural. Now try with a little more finesse. Dan
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Bill Sornson 13 May 2005 20:49:11 [ permanent link ]
	blanshay@videotron.ca wrote:> On Fri, 13 May 2005 06:01:37 GMT, Mark Mitchell> <markmitWRONG@WRONGmn.rr.com> wrote: And this is me dropping the subject. 30 day killfile on the subject>> line. Good thing, you seem to misunderstand everything everyone says> anyways. Nice! (My vote for flame of the day.) Bill "even his addy has lots 'o WRONG in it" S.
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Zoot Katz 14 May 2005 07:58:29 [ permanent link ]
	Fri, 13 May 2005 21:43:40 -0400, <2sla815d9u6g29262ssi7tvgstfstvrf5r@4ax.com>, blanshay@videotron.ca wrote: Oh, puhleeze... the last thing i need is email telling me how evil i>am because I don't like Lord of the Rings. The hairy toes put me off right away. Did you hear the CBC interview with the woman who claims she's not a Star Trek fan, she just likes speaking Klingon. -- zk
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Guest 14 May 2005 08:54:37 [ permanent link ]
	On Fri, 13 May 2005 20:58:29 -0700, Zoot Katz <zootkatz@operamail.com> wrote: Fri, 13 May 2005 21:43:40 -0400,><2sla815d9u6g29262ssi7tvgstfstvrf5r@4ax.com>, >blanshay@videotron.ca wrote:> Oh, puhleeze... the last thing i need is email telling me how evil i>>am because I don't like Lord of the Rings. > The hairy toes put me off right away.> Did you hear the CBC interview with the woman who claims she's not a>Star Trek fan, she just likes speaking Klingon. LOL... with the new Star wars movie it looks like it's going to be The Summer of Goobs. A friend of mine actually saw someone camped outside the movie theatre wearing a Darth Vader mask. WHen is that movie supposed to open anyways?
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Guest 14 May 2005 08:56:26 [ permanent link ]
	On Sat, 14 May 2005 02:30:18 GMT, RonSonic <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: On Thu, 12 May 2005 21:45:25 -0400, blanshay@videotron.ca wrote:> On Thu, 12 May 2005 19:44:36 -0400, "1oki" <nolooke@hotmail.com>>>wrote:>> <blanshay@videotron.ca> wrote in message >>>news:hrn78159fjvvtdmnkqbbh3fnmku5lkhig7@4ax.com...>>>> On Thu, 12 May 2005 16:12:02 GMT, William McHale>>>[...] Well, look at who is always the most eager to be interviewed. Normal, calm,>reasonable people aren't the ones who gravitate toward the guy with the>microphone. > One guy they talked to (he looked relatively attractive) was>>explaining the lure of paintball. "It gives you a chance to get out>>into the sunshine and fresh air, and it's a social occasion as well.">> I thought: Gee, if that's the attraction, then why not just get>>yourself a bike?> Why ride a bike when you can run around the woods shooting at your buddies. I>don't paintball, but it's pretty easy to see how it caught on. > Yes, it is, I can see how you can get hooked on it. Well, OTOH, at least they aren't sitting around the house watching TV and eating Cheesies...
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Bill Sornson 14 May 2005 08:58:06 [ permanent link ]
	Zoot Katz wrote:> Fri, 13 May 2005 21:43:40 -0400,> <2sla815d9u6g29262ssi7tvgstfstvrf5r@4ax.com>,> blanshay@videotron.ca wrote:> Oh, puhleeze... the last thing i need is email telling me how evil i>> am because I don't like Lord of the Rings.> The hairy toes put me off right away.> Did you hear the CBC interview with the woman who claims she's not a> Star Trek fan, she just likes speaking Klingon. That's just nuts. {pause} Who pays attention to the CBC? Bill "rimshot" S.
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Zoot Katz 14 May 2005 10:02:49 [ permanent link ]
	Sat, 14 May 2005 00:54:37 -0400, <e11b815t6h79l6lv72lc0c1df0fnf7j3e0@4ax.com>, blanshay@videotron.ca wrote: Oh, puhleeze... the last thing i need is email telling me how evil i>>>am because I don't like Lord of the Rings. >> The hairy toes put me off right away.>> Did you hear the CBC interview with the woman who claims she's not a>>Star Trek fan, she just likes speaking Klingon.> LOL... with the new Star wars movie it looks like it's going to be The>Summer of Goobs. A friend of mine actually saw someone camped outside>the movie theatre wearing a Darth Vader mask. WHen is that movie>supposed to open anyways? There's a new Star Wars? I think I've missed at least the last four. There's a breed of die-hard goobs who have already downloaded leaked copies of the final cut. I heard that a bunch of them lined up in front of the wrong theatre before it was announced where it was going to be released. -- zk
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Fabrizio Mazzoleni 16 May 2005 07:54:17 [ permanent link ]
	"William McHale" <mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote in message news:jvUhe.24$o62.3138@news.abs.net...> Just as the people who wear team kit when they cycle dream of> being the winner of the great Tours (or at least a stage ;)) so these people> dream of being a virtuous warrior. But, no matter how hard they try those guys are never going to be a real virtuous warrior.
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Zoot Katz 16 May 2005 08:04:29 [ permanent link ]
	Mon, 16 May 2005 03:32:31 GMT, <jvUhe.24$o62.3138@news.abs.net>, William McHale <mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote: Just as the people who wear team kit when they cycle dream of >being the winner of the great Tours (or at least a stage ;)) so these people>dream of being a virtuous warrior. Different strokes for different folks True enough. But, for the most part, we outgrew our childhood fantasies while those LOTR and D&D goobers are stuck in theirs. -- zk
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William McHale 16 May 2005 17:29:14 [ permanent link ]
	Zoot Katz <zootkatz@operamail.com> wrote:> Mon, 16 May 2005 03:32:31 GMT, <jvUhe.24$o62.3138@news.abs.net>,> William McHale <mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote: Just as the people who wear team kit when they cycle dream of >>being the winner of the great Tours (or at least a stage ;)) so these people>>dream of being a virtuous warrior. Different strokes for different folks True enough. > But, for the most part, we outgrew our childhood fantasies while those> LOTR and D&D goobers are stuck in theirs. How is dreaming of winning one of the great Tours any less childlike than dreaming of military glory? Is dreaming that one will be the next Lance Armstrong any different than dreaming that one will be the next Henry V? Of course it isn't. Indeed to the eyes of a public who engage in neither cycling nor SCA type activities there is little difference between the guy who puts on chain mail and the guy who dresses in team kit and owns a $5000 carbon fiber bicycle just so he can go for a bike ride. Our fantasies are part of who we are; they remind us that we can be greater than we actually are (even if the fantasies are unrealistic in and of themselves). -- Bill
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William McHale 16 May 2005 17:30:52 [ permanent link ]
	Fabrizio Mazzoleni <chipomarc@lfdd.ca> wrote: "William McHale" <mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote in message news:jvUhe.24$o62.3138@news.abs.net...>> Just as the people who wear team kit when they cycle dream of>> being the winner of the great Tours (or at least a stage ;)) so these people>> dream of being a virtuous warrior. But, no matter how hard they try those guys are never going to be> a real virtuous warrior. Nor are the vast majority of cyclists ever going to win even a stage in a great tour let alone win a tour. There are real warriors in this world, and their are real professional cyclists but the numbers of each are rather low. -- Bill
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Elisa Francesca Roselli 16 May 2005 18:14:04 [ permanent link ]
	Zoot Katz a Г©crit : True enough. > But, for the most part, we outgrew our childhood fantasies while those> LOTR and D&D goobers are stuck in theirs. Please, sir, what's a goober? Elisa Francesca Roselli Ile de France
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Elisa Francesca Roselli 16 May 2005 18:22:22 [ permanent link ]
	Tom Keats a Г©crit : Speaking of which, I've been enjoying the latest Dr Who> incarnation (Tuesday night, 8:00 PM, CBC/channel 2.) I _adore_ Christopher Eccleston - he's been a heartthrob of mine ever since JUDE. Wish I were in the UK now to watch. EFR Ile de France
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Jeff Starr 16 May 2005 18:29:21 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 16 May 2005 03:32:31 GMT, William McHale <mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote: Just as the people who wear team kit when they cycle dream of >being the winner of the great Tours (or at least a stage ;)) so these people>dream of being a virtuous warrior. Different strokes for different folks How do you know that they all want to be virtuous warriors. My guess is that some dream of being an org, or some other form of evil. Look at all the people who dress up as Darth Vader, I don't think he is a good guy. At least he wasn't in the episode that I saw. There is a difference in dreaming of being a Lance and of dreaming of being a character in a fantasy. One is a worthy goal and you benefit, even if you fall way short. The other is just fantasy. Live and let live, but it is somewhat amusing. Most likely harmless, but to me amusing. Life is Good! Jeff
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Bill Sornson 16 May 2005 19:36:10 [ permanent link ]
	Elisa Francesca Roselli wrote:> Zoot Katz a йcrit :> True enough.>> But, for the most part, we outgrew our childhood fantasies while>> those LOTR and D&D goobers are stuck in theirs.> Please, sir, what's a goober? In this context, a geek. Or a nerd. (Lamer?) Never heard it used like that, though. /Normally/ the term "goober" connotes something like a "rube" -- unsophisticated, simple, dull, etc. Thesornus
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William McHale 16 May 2005 19:46:47 [ permanent link ]
	Jeff Starr <jstarr@animalpc.com> wrote:> On Mon, 16 May 2005 03:32:31 GMT, William McHale> <mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote: Just as the people who wear team kit when they cycle dream of >>being the winner of the great Tours (or at least a stage ;)) so these people>>dream of being a virtuous warrior. Different strokes for different folks How do you know that they all want to be virtuous warriors. My guess> is that some dream of being an org, or some other form of evil. Look> at all the people who dress up as Darth Vader, I don't think he is a> good guy. At least he wasn't in the episode that I saw. Well ok, virtuous warrior or whatever, its still a fantasy. There is a difference in dreaming of being a Lance and of dreaming of> being a character in a fantasy. One is a worthy goal and you benefit,> even if you fall way short. The other is just fantasy. They are both just fantasy. Neither is more or less praise worthy than the other. Both are harmless and both have their benefits even if said benefits are not immediately apparent to people who do not indulge in one particular type of fantasy. Live and let live, but it is somewhat amusing. Most likely harmless,> but to me amusing. And as I have pointed out that is the position that the general population has regarding cyclists. -- Bill
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William McHale 16 May 2005 19:48:19 [ permanent link ]
	Elisa Francesca Roselli <nospam@free.fr> wrote:> Zoot Katz wrote: True enough. >> But, for the most part, we outgrew our childhood fantasies while those>> LOTR and D&D goobers are stuck in theirs. Please, sir, what's a goober? The term derives from the Southern US term for peanut. Essentially a calling someone a goober is more or less equivalent to calling them a nut, usually with the conotation that they are something of a simpleton. -- Bill
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Guest 16 May 2005 20:37:00 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 16 May 2005 03:32:31 GMT, William McHale <mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote: blanshay@videotron.ca wrote: Oh, puhleeze... the last thing i need is email telling me how evil i>>>> am because I don't like Lord of the Rings. >>> No one is saying that you are evil because you don't like the Lord of the >>>Rings; the primary complaint is the apparent contempt that you have for >>>others because you don't like the activity they choose to engage in.>>> Calling someone you don't know a goober and classifying a whole group of people>>>because of one of their recreational activities is simply a form of bigotry.>>> A better question to ask oneself when using these terms is would you use the >>>term to their face? > Nah, they don't think of themselves as goobers. I am the Unenlightened>> one because I just 'don't understand.' It's like talking to the Manson>> GIrls about Charlie.> And again you put them down. They are not goobers, they are simply people>who choose to spend their time differently than you do. Cyclists are amongst>the groups that are generally looked upon with disdane by general society; >we are among the last people who should criticize others for their choice of>hobbies. Just as the people who wear team kit when they cycle dream of >being the winner of the great Tours (or at least a stage ;)) so these people>dream of being a virtuous warrior. Different strokes for different folks Right, so that's my stroke. I think they're goobers. Live and let live.
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Guest 16 May 2005 20:38:04 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 15 May 2005 21:04:29 -0700, Zoot Katz <zootkatz@operamail.com> wrote: Mon, 16 May 2005 03:32:31 GMT, <jvUhe.24$o62.3138@news.abs.net>,>William McHale <mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote:> Just as the people who wear team kit when they cycle dream of >>being the winner of the great Tours (or at least a stage ;)) so these people>>dream of being a virtuous warrior. Different strokes for different folks> True enough. >But, for the most part, we outgrew our childhood fantasies while those>LOTR and D&D goobers are stuck in theirs. Anyone over the age of say, 12, who runs dresses like a sci-fi character or medieval warrior,in my book + goober.
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Guest 16 May 2005 20:39:06 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 16 May 2005 15:46:47 GMT, William McHale <mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote: Jeff Starr <jstarr@animalpc.com> wrote:>> On Mon, 16 May 2005 03:32:31 GMT, William McHale>> <mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote:> Just as the people who wear team kit when they cycle dream of >>>being the winner of the great Tours (or at least a stage ;)) so these people>>>dream of being a virtuous warrior. Different strokes for different folks> How do you know that they all want to be virtuous warriors. My guess>> is that some dream of being an org, or some other form of evil. Look>> at all the people who dress up as Darth Vader, I don't think he is a>> good guy. At least he wasn't in the episode that I saw.> Well ok, virtuous warrior or whatever, its still a fantasy.> There is a difference in dreaming of being a Lance and of dreaming of>> being a character in a fantasy. One is a worthy goal and you benefit,>> even if you fall way short. The other is just fantasy. > They are both just fantasy. Neither is more or less praise worthy than the >other. Both are harmless and both have their benefits even if said benefits>are not immediately apparent to people who do not indulge in one particular>type of fantasy. > Live and let live, but it is somewhat amusing. Most likely harmless,>> but to me amusing.> And as I have pointed out that is the position that the general population>has regarding cyclists. SO because people say that about cyclists, we aren't allowed to have opinions on everyone else, because we look so ridiculous? How does this make any kind of sense?
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Zoot Katz 16 May 2005 21:35:54 [ permanent link ]
	Mon, 16 May 2005 16:14:04 +0200, <4288ab12$0$22837$626a14ce@news.free.fr>, Elisa Francesca Roselli <nospam@free.fr> wrote: Zoot Katz a Г©crit :> True enough. >> But, for the most part, we outgrew our childhood fantasies while those>> LOTR and D&D goobers are stuck in theirs.> Please, sir, what's a goober?> Not the word I'd have chosen. I just used it to lessen the chance of confusing some participants in this discussion. A goober is like a cracker. IOW just another yokel. If or when I think of them at all, I'll usually refer to those pathetically arrested individuals as dweebs and be done with 'em. -- zk
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Zoot Katz 16 May 2005 22:12:53 [ permanent link ]
	Mon, 16 May 2005 12:38:04 -0400, <v1jh81lb0odplpn989656v8v19ml19pjpi@4ax.com>, blanshay@videotron.ca wrote: But, for the most part, we outgrew our childhood fantasies while those>>LOTR and D&D goobers are stuck in theirs.> Anyone over the age of say, 12, who runs dresses like a sci-fi>character or medieval warrior,in my book + goober. My book makes them out to be dweebs. I've never once fantasised about bicycle racing. When I was a kid I'd sometimes do a running commentary about the baseball or hockey we were playing. We'd pretend to be our sports heros. Before the time I started driving at sixteen I'd outgrown all that so never thought of myself racing at Le Mans or Sebring. -- zk
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William McHale 17 May 2005 00:30:24 [ permanent link ]
	blanshay@videotron.ca wrote:>> And as I have pointed out that is the position that the general population>>has regarding cyclists. SO because people say that about cyclists, we aren't allowed to have> opinions on everyone else, because we look so ridiculous? How does> this make any kind of sense? Its a general position that anyone should take. If you don't want to be labled as social misfit and outcast then you shouldn't lable other people either. I suppose its possible that you want to embrace the idea that you are a social misfit and outcast. -- Bill
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Guest 17 May 2005 03:47:55 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 16 May 2005 20:30:24 GMT, William McHale <mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote: blanshay@videotron.ca wrote:>>> And as I have pointed out that is the position that the general population>>>has regarding cyclists.> SO because people say that about cyclists, we aren't allowed to have>> opinions on everyone else, because we look so ridiculous? How does>> this make any kind of sense? > Its a general position that anyone should take. If you don't want to be >labled as social misfit and outcast then you shouldn't lable other people >either. I suppose its possible that you want to embrace the idea that you>are a social misfit and outcast. Call it labeling if you want, that's just my take on it and you'll just have to accept it.
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RonSonic 17 May 2005 18:55:15 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 16 May 2005 19:47:55 -0400, blanshay@videotron.ca wrote: On Mon, 16 May 2005 20:30:24 GMT, William McHale><mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote:> blanshay@videotron.ca wrote:>>>> And as I have pointed out that is the position that the general population>>>>has regarding cyclists.>> SO because people say that about cyclists, we aren't allowed to have>>> opinions on everyone else, because we look so ridiculous? How does>>> this make any kind of sense? >> Its a general position that anyone should take. If you don't want to be >>labled as social misfit and outcast then you shouldn't lable other people >>either. I suppose its possible that you want to embrace the idea that you>>are a social misfit and outcast.> Call it labeling if you want, that's just my take on it and you'll>just have to accept it. Huh? No, nobody has to accept it. They can reject it just as vigorously as you reject dress up geeks or reinactors or whoever the hell it was you were griping about. Ron
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Zoot Katz 17 May 2005 21:12:18 [ permanent link ]
	Tue, 17 May 2005 15:03:15 GMT, <TInie.8$OV4.3066@news.abs.net>, William McHale <mchale@beast.toad.net> wrote: The American Civil War enactors and Wild West posers I do think of as>> dweebs along with the sports team "fantasy camps"> Well in that case, I hope don't wear any cycling team jeresy's or ever>imagine while you are finishing up a ride that you have just won the >Tour de France otherwise you are doing the exact same thing as the>guys who go to fantasy camps. I don't even own any team kit. I do wear jerseys, shorts, shoes and gloves but never ride thinking I'm somebody else in a place I'm not. I outgrew that before age 12. The dweebs haven't yet. -- zk
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Bill Sornson 17 May 2005 22:35:40 [ permanent link ]
	blanshay@videotron.ca wrote: hey, let's move on to something else as a diversion. Did you all know> that I'm an atheist and don't believe there is a god? {Far away gaze} Gee, remember when we were just dissing LOTR geeks? Nostalgic Bill
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1oki 17 May 2005 22:36:16 [ permanent link ]
	<blanshay@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:msdk81pt8p5rgio0mcqq37baus4f1ufev7@4ax.com... hey, let's move on to something else as a diversion. Did you all know> that I'm an atheist and don't believe there is a god? Kewl! Being an atheist that is. Unless you count following the way of the bike as religion. -- 'To you I'm an atheist. to god I'm a member of the loyal opposition.' -woody allen
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Just zis Guy 18 May 2005 00:15:20 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 17 May 2005 12:29:41 -0700, tkeats2005@hotmail.com (Tom Keats) wrote in message <5ngd6d.0jh.ln@bud.garden.local>: I wonder how different the world would be>without morris dancing. Morris who? Guy -- May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk 85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound
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