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Bob Schwartz 29 March 2005 21:15:31
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Gym Gravity 29 March 2005 21:18:12 [ permanent link ]
 Bob Schwartz wrote:
Bob Schwartz> cvcc@execpc.com

Voeckler
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Geraard Spergen 29 March 2005 21:44:17 [ permanent link ]
 

Beloki


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Tim Mullin 29 March 2005 21:52:30 [ permanent link ]
 "Bill C" <tritonrider@aol.co­m> wrote in news:1112118101.338­888.252780
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I'm going out on a limb.> Knaven

Mine's loooooonger. Jakob Piil Storm. Or storm Piil. Whatever.
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Callistus Valerius 29 March 2005 22:41:15 [ permanent link ]
 
Julich>
crit PRO


Bobby


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Mark VandenBerghe 29 March 2005 23:15:34 [ permanent link ]
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<brian_j_roth@yahoo­.com> wrote in message
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Freire>


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Jonathan v.d. Sluis 29 March 2005 23:24:08 [ permanent link ]
 Dekker


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Bret Wade 30 March 2005 01:13:35 [ permanent link ]
 
Devolder
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Boyd Speerschneider 30 March 2005 01:23:09 [ permanent link ]
 "crit PRO" <critpro@aol.com> wrote in news:1112117803.523­917.61330
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Julich>
crit PRO

You spend the first 3/4 of March bashing Julich, saying he won races "no
one" cares about because the big guns either weren't there or weren't racing
to win.

Now you predict the guy will win Flanders.

You need to "hold your line" better.

Just my $0.02.

- Boyd S.
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Ewoud Dronkert 30 March 2005 01:34:56 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:23:09 GMT, Boyd Speerschneider wrote:> "crit PRO" <critpro@aol.com> wrote:>> Julich>
You spend the first 3/4 of March bashing Julich, saying he won races "no > one" cares about because the big guns either weren't there or weren't racing > to win.>
Now you predict the guy will win Flanders.>
You need to "hold your line" better.

But it was right in line with the previous post predicting Voeckler.


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Bret Wade 30 March 2005 03:18:12 [ permanent link ]
 Scott wrote:> Thacker. No, wait, that'd be my guess for the Koppenburg Circuit. Or,> I could take the easy way out and say:> 1-Thacker, or

That's a real longshot considering the four broken ribs, broken
collarbone and shattered hip from just three weeks ago. They plated the
collarbone and he's already home and getting around on crutches. He
plans to be on hill Sunday, probably trying to stick a crutch in our
spokes. He fell off on one of his team rides.

Jimi is on the IR list too.
2- Bobio, or> 3- Kellagher

Both going well.
I would guess you, but that'd be a bit too sycophant-ish.>

I don't know how you expect me to get my bulk over that hill. Have you
seen that hill?

Bret
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Philip W. Moore 30 March 2005 04:06:03 [ permanent link ]
 He was being sarcastic, I'm sure.

"Boyd Speerschneider" <bspeerscREMOVE_ME@­ME_TOOyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9628A6EB921­DCbspeerscNOSPAM@65.­32.5.122...> "crit PRO" <critpro@aol.com> wrote in news:1112117803.523­917.61330> @l41g2000cwc.google­groups.com:>
Julich> >
crit PRO>
You spend the first 3/4 of March bashing Julich, saying he won races "no> one" cares about because the big guns either weren't there or weren't
racing> to win.>
Now you predict the guy will win Flanders.>
You need to "hold your line" better.>
Just my $0.02.>
- Boyd S.


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Philip W. Moore 30 March 2005 04:07:07 [ permanent link ]
 I'll have to say no way to Dekker winning the Ronde. Amstel? Yes. Liege?
Possibly. But NOT Flanders.


"Jonathan v.d. Sluis" <nospam@nospam.nl> wrote in message
news:d2caop$dd3$1@r­eader08.wxs.nl...> Dekker>


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Steven L. Sheffield 30 March 2005 06:22:39 [ permanent link ]
 On 03/29/2005 10:53 AM, in article
1112118801.323554.1­86230@o13g2000cwo.go­oglegroups.com, "Kenny"
<gelei2001@hotmail.­com> wrote:

2. O'Grady


Patrick's racing at De Ronde this weekend?



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Sonarrat 30 March 2005 06:30:28 [ permanent link ]
 Bob Schwartz wrote:
PVP

Yes.
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Bob Schwartz 30 March 2005 07:08:41 [ permanent link ]
 Steven L. Sheffield <stevens@veloworks.­com> wrote:> On 03/29/2005 10:53 AM, in article> 1112118801.323554.1­86230@o13g2000cwo.go­oglegroups.com, "Kenny"> <gelei2001@hotmail.­com> wrote:
2. O'Grady
Patrick's racing at De Ronde this weekend?

Belgium is a wonderful place to drink beer.

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Patrick O'Grady 30 March 2005 07:11:23 [ permanent link ]
 In article <BE6F5B7D.15DF9%ste­vens@veloworks.com>,­ "Steven L. Sheffield"
<stevens@veloworks.­com> wrote:
On 03/29/2005 10:53 AM, in article> 1112118801.323554.1­86230@o13g2000cwo.go­oglegroups.com, "Kenny"> <gelei2001@hotmail.­com> wrote:>
2. O'Grady>
Patrick's racing at De Ronde this weekend?

Hey, Steven,

Alas, no -- my 51st-birthday celebration this past Easter Sunday was so
decadent, with massive infusions of strong drink and heaping platters of
deep fat, that I appear to have grown a third buttock (I'm telling the
press that it's the flu, but only the truth will do here on r.b.r.). The
good news is, this will make it harder for Uncle Sammy to figure out which
crease to attack come April 15.

Cheers,

Patrick O'Grady
Mad Dog Media
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Johnny Cochran 30 March 2005 10:29:14 [ permanent link ]
 George Hincapie!!!


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Van Hoorebeeck Bart 30 March 2005 11:05:50 [ permanent link ]
 
A lieutenant's win. Like Klier or Van Bon.


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Robert Chung 30 March 2005 11:41:12 [ permanent link ]
 Van Hoorebeeck Bart wrote:> A lieutenant's win. Like Klier or Van Bon.

Candyass.


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Robert Chung 30 March 2005 11:43:34 [ permanent link ]
 Van Hoorebeeck Bart wrote:> A lieutenant's win. Like Klier or Van Bon.

1. LANCE
2. LANCE
3. LANCE


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Van Hoorebeeck Bart 30 March 2005 11:45:35 [ permanent link ]
 

Robert Chung schreef:
Van Hoorebeeck Bart wrote:> > A lieutenant's win. Like Klier or Van Bon.>
1. LANCE> 2. LANCE> 3. LANCE

damm you beat me at it.

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B. Lafferty 30 March 2005 14:52:58 [ permanent link ]
 
"Van Hoorebeeck Bart" <bart.vanhoorebeeck­@wvc.vlaanderen.be> wrote in
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A lieutenant's win. Like Klier or Van Bon.

So it will be Hincapie and not Devolder?


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Van Hoorebeeck Bart 30 March 2005 15:11:34 [ permanent link ]
 

"B. Lafferty" schreef:
So it will be Hincapie and not Devolder?

Devolder will rage and fade. But that has little predictive worth
anymore.

Hincapie is expected in Roubaix.

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B. Lafferty 30 March 2005 16:59:09 [ permanent link ]
 
"Van Hoorebeeck Bart" <bart.vanhoorebeeck­@wvc.vlaanderen.be> wrote in
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"B. Lafferty" schreef:>
So it will be Hincapie and not Devolder?>
Devolder will rage and fade. But that has little predictive worth> anymore.>
Hincapie is expected in Roubaix.

He'll get out of a ditch to finish fourth behind Boonen.


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Gym Gravity 30 March 2005 18:59:02 [ permanent link ]
 Philip W. Moore, Jr. wrote:> He was being sarcastic, I'm sure.>
It depends.

It's likely that I was being sarcastic, but if Voeckler wins all of you
will laud my brilliance and insight.
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Guest 30 March 2005 20:18:09 [ permanent link ]
 < somebody puts Flanders in the subject line and ...> I'm new to cycling
and thought you were all talking about Homer Simpson's tools. They all
say - "property of Ned Flanders" on them cause he stole em all.

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Tim Mullin 30 March 2005 20:56:34 [ permanent link ]
 stilltime1@webtv.net­ wrote in news:10681-424AD141­-5@storefull-
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< somebody puts Flanders in the subject line and ...> I'm new to cycling> and thought you were all talking about Homer Simpson's tools. They all> say - "property of Ned Flanders" on them cause he stole em all.

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Curtis L . Russell 30 March 2005 21:53:09 [ permanent link ]
 On 29 Mar 2005 10:27:08 -0800, "brian_j_roth@yahoo­.com"
<brian_j_roth@yahoo­.com> wrote:
Freire

1.Freire
2.Hincapie
3. Boonen

Is it my memory going bad, or is this season worse than usual for
early season illness and accidents? The above is CA for waiting until
the injury reports came out and I swapped Boonen and Friere. Figuring
at 23 Boonen will shrug off the bruises enough to be designated last
lead.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Ewoud Dronkert 30 March 2005 22:04:06 [ permanent link ]
 On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:53:09 -0500, Curtis L. Russell wrote:> On 29 Mar 2005 10:27:08 -0800, brian_j_roth wrote:>> Freire>
1.Freire

Rather doubtful that he will be at the start. From VRT teletext,
http://193.121.55.2­25/tt/tt.php?p=431&g­=0&s=1&r=0&x=1

It is possible that the Spanish world champion Oscar Freire will not
participate in the Ronde van Vlaanderen. "It's not going well with the
injury to my bottom." It was last Sunday that Freire won the Brabantse
Pijl, but he hardly rode his bike since. "Monday I could not sit on my
saddle for one minute. Tuesday I trained for an hour but then it started
to rain. Luckily, because I couldn't go on from the pain. If I can't get
some training in for the following days, I will forfeit the Ronde. With
this injury on a saddle for 260 km, it's just too great a risk."


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Jenko 30 March 2005 22:09:05 [ permanent link ]
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Gym Gravity 30 March 2005 22:34:42 [ permanent link ]
 Ewoud Dronkert wrote:> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:53:09 -0500, Curtis L. Russell wrote:>
On 29 Mar 2005 10:27:08 -0800, brian_j_roth wrote:>>
Freire>>
1.Freire>
Rather doubtful that he will be at the start. From VRT teletext,> http://193.121.55.2­25/tt/tt.php?p=431&g­=0&s=1&r=0&x=1>
It is possible that the Spanish world champion Oscar Freire will not> participate in the Ronde van Vlaanderen. "It's not going well with the> injury to my bottom." It was last Sunday that Freire won the Brabantse> Pijl, but he hardly rode his bike since. "Monday I could not sit on my> saddle for one minute. Tuesday I trained for an hour but then it started> to rain. Luckily, because I couldn't go on from the pain. If I can't get> some training in for the following days, I will forfeit the Ronde. With> this injury on a saddle for 260 km, it's just too great a risk.">

The winner if this Ronde might deserve an asterix if things keep going
the way they are.
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Diablo Scott 30 March 2005 22:50:26 [ permanent link ]
 Andrew F Martin wrote:
Jonathan v.d. Sluis wrote:>
Dekker>
Dekker...the younger.>

The elder is on the provisional start list, the younger is not, although
de Jongh is...


But it'll be Eeckhout from a small group at the end.

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Jonathan v.d. Sluis 31 March 2005 13:26:48 [ permanent link ]
 "Philip W. Moore, Jr." <philip_w_moore_jr@­sbcglobal.net> schreef in bericht
news:L4m2e.4017$oy3­.3577@newssvr30.news­.prodigy.com...> I'll have to say no way to Dekker winning the Ronde. Amstel? Yes.
Liege?> Possibly. But NOT Flanders.

He was so close a few years ago that it would be reasonable to think he can
win if he is in form. I'd be more inclined to say he would have a harder
time in Liege.


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Jonathan v.d. Sluis 31 March 2005 13:27:32 [ permanent link ]
 "Johnny Cochran" <deadblackattorney@­hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:1Hr2e.44$ZG4.3­8@fe04.lga...> George Hincapie!!!>

Yes, but for what place?


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Robert Chung 31 March 2005 19:19:47 [ permanent link ]
 crit PRO wrote:
Didn't LA get second twice in Flanders?

No.
Don't tell me Eki can't ride hard for seven hours. Wasn't he a podium> at Paris-Roubaix last year?

No.
Didn't Hammond finish 2nd at Paris-Roubaix LAST YEAR?

No.


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Curtis L . Russell 31 March 2005 19:26:34 [ permanent link ]
 On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 17:19:47 +0200, "Robert Chung"
<me@address.invalid­> wrote:
Didn't Hammond finish 2nd at Paris-Roubaix LAST YEAR?>
No.

Well, Roger Hamoond second instead of third is better than the Eki on
the podium. Still, he did look strong if somewhat random over the last
hour of P-R.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Robert Chung 31 March 2005 19:35:21 [ permanent link ]
 crit PRO wrote:> Didn't Devolder crack Boonen SINGLEHANDELY at KBK, and is second at 3> DAYS now.

No.


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Bob Schwartz 31 March 2005 19:37:58 [ permanent link ]
 crit PRO <critpro@aol.com> wrote:> Didn't LA get second twice in Flanders?> Don't tell me Eki can't ride hard for seven hours. Wasn't he a podium> at Paris-Roubaix last year?> Didn't Hammond finish 2nd at Paris-Roubaix LAST YEAR?

Next you'll be telling us there's a velodrome at UCLA.

Bob Schwartz
cvcc@execpc.com
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Robert Chung 31 March 2005 20:07:28 [ permanent link ]
 crit PRO wrote:>
stop the presses....this just in.> Final general classification>
1 Stijn Devolder (Bel) Discovery Channel 13.15.16

So what you're saying is, when you wrote:
"Devolder [...] is second at 3 DAYS now"

and I wrote:
"No"

I was right.

Thanks.


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Bob Schwartz 31 March 2005 20:10:25 [ permanent link ]
 crit PRO <critpro@aol.com> wrote:> Tell Ed that he's a dumbass.

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Curtis L . Russell 31 March 2005 20:15:14 [ permanent link ]
 On 31 Mar 2005 07:32:09 -0800, "crit PRO" <critpro@aol.com> wrote:
Eki 3rd in 2003.>
You guys don't ride nearly enough.....sheeesh!­

If I was riding more, I would have known even less - since riding the
spin bike while watching the 2004 P-R last week doesn't count as real
riding. IMO Hammond looked like a puppy riding with the big dogs, not
knowing what to do to take a shot at a win.

Will be doing more real riding starting Saturday and will recede into
general cluelessness at that point. Except flashbacks to the 70s and
early 80s. And all they do is leave me with a lot of half-remembered
names (like Roger whats-his-name and Lucien Van Something) and a
strong need to tighten the downtube clamps on a set of Campi
derailleur levers (think that's a flashback to an unwanted shift in
one of the few times I ever really tried to sprint...).

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Curtis L . Russell 31 March 2005 20:47:09 [ permanent link ]
 On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 18:07:28 +0200, "Robert Chung"
<me@address.invalid­> wrote:
So what you're saying is, when you wrote:>"Devolder [...] is second at 3 DAYS now"

Not to mention, that is a loooong way behind, even on GC.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Gym Gravity 31 March 2005 20:50:58 [ permanent link ]
 Curtis L. Russell wrote:> On 31 Mar 2005 07:32:09 -0800, "crit PRO" <critpro@aol.com> wrote:>
Eki 3rd in 2003.>>
You guys don't ride nearly enough.....sheeesh!­>
If I was riding more, I would have known even less - since riding the> spin bike while watching the 2004 P-R last week doesn't count as real> riding. IMO Hammond looked like a puppy riding with the big dogs, not> knowing what to do to take a shot at a win.

That's OK, this year, all he has to do is do exactly what he's told.
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Robert Chung 31 March 2005 21:17:56 [ permanent link ]
 Jonathan v.d. Sluis wrote:> bush

Hmmm.


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Fred Marx 31 March 2005 23:34:21 [ permanent link ]
 sonarrat wrote:> Bob Schwartz wrote:>
Yes.
PVP is suposed to a ?, more of the early season flu. otherwise yes.
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Fred Marx 31 March 2005 23:35:36 [ permanent link ]
 Van Hoorebeeck Bart wrote:>A lieutenant's win. Like Klier or Van Bon.>>
1. LANCE>>2. LANCE>>3. LANCE>
damm you beat me at it.

someone had to say it........
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Stewart Fleming 31 March 2005 23:55:59 [ permanent link ]
 

Bob Schwartz wrote:> crit PRO <critpro@aol.com> wrote:>
Didn't LA get second twice in Flanders?>>Don't tell me Eki can't ride hard for seven hours. Wasn't he a podium>>at Paris-Roubaix last year?>>Didn't Hammond finish 2nd at Paris-Roubaix LAST YEAR?>
Next you'll be telling us there's a velodrome at UCLA.

There's one on 241st St in Manhattan according to the Subway map.
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Sonarrat 1 April 2005 03:33:51 [ permanent link ]
 Jonathan v.d. Sluis wrote:> "Philip W. Moore, Jr." <philip_w_moore_jr@­sbcglobal.net> schreef in bericht> news:L4m2e.4017$oy3­.3577@newssvr30.news­.prodigy.com...>
I'll have to say no way to Dekker winning the Ronde. Amstel? Yes.>
Liege?>
Possibly. But NOT Flanders.>
He was so close a few years ago that it would be reasonable to think he can> win if he is in form. I'd be more inclined to say he would have a harder> time in Liege.

Erik Dekker is in form, but last I heard, he was sick. I wouldn't rule
out Thomas Dekker winning it, but I don't think it's likely.

With the news of PvP's troubles, I am casting a provisional vote to Nico
Mattan.

-Sonarrat.
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Tim Mullin 1 April 2005 05:58:39 [ permanent link ]
 Stewart Fleming <stewart.fleming@pa­radise.net.nz> wrote in news:424c55c8$1
@clear.net.nz:
There's one on 241st St in Manhattan according to the Subway map.

It's only on that map `cause it paid $4500 to be there.

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Tom Kunich 1 April 2005 07:16:35 [ permanent link ]
 "Robert Chung" <me@address.invalid­> wrote in message
news:3b2ioqF6dlrk3U­1@individual.net...>­ crit PRO wrote:>
Didn't LA get second twice in Flanders?>
No.

Hang him for saying Flanders instead of Amstel.
Don't tell me Eki can't ride hard for seven hours. Wasn't he a podium>> at Paris-Roubaix last year?>
No.

2003 instead of 2004.
Didn't Hammond finish 2nd at Paris-Roubaix LAST YEAR?>
No.

But you have to admit that it is a hell of an improvement for CritPro.
Shouldn't you spend a little time petting him on the head?


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Gwhite 1 April 2005 07:56:22 [ permanent link ]
 Robert Chung wrote:>
Jonathan v.d. Sluis wrote:> > bush>
Hmmm.

You've been misunderestimated.
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Jonathan v.d. Sluis 1 April 2005 13:04:12 [ permanent link ]
 "sonarrat" <sonarrat@nospam.co­m> schreef in bericht
news:TM%2e.66$yL2.2­6@fe08.lga...> Jonathan v.d. Sluis wrote:> > "Philip W. Moore, Jr." <philip_w_moore_jr@­sbcglobal.net> schreef in
bericht> > news:L4m2e.4017$oy3­.3577@newssvr30.news­.prodigy.com...> >
I'll have to say no way to Dekker winning the Ronde. Amstel? Yes.> >
Liege?> >
Possibly. But NOT Flanders.> >
He was so close a few years ago that it would be reasonable to think he
win if he is in form. I'd be more inclined to say he would have a harder> > time in Liege.>
Erik Dekker is in form, but last I heard, he was sick.

I don't believe he is. Last night I saw an interview and he bluntly
confessed being a favorite with Van Petegem and Boonen, in spite of the
tactical disadvantage such an admission may mean. It was from yesterday or
the day before.
I wouldn't rule> out Thomas Dekker winning it, but I don't think it's likely.>
With the news of PvP's troubles, I am casting a provisional vote to Nico> Mattan.>
-Sonarrat.


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Ewoud Dronkert 1 April 2005 13:21:02 [ permanent link ]
 On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 15:33:51 -0800, sonarrat wrote:> Erik Dekker is in form, but last I heard, he was sick.

I heard nothing of the sort. According to himself, a hard training at
the Brabantse Pijl (doing too much in the first 140 km, after which it
was over and out) was exactly according to schedule. Wedsnesday was his
last recon of the course, the legs were still a bit heavy from the
weekend, but he's optimistic about Sunday.
http://www.erikdekk­er.nl/multimedia/wal­lpaper_e3prijs.jpg
I wouldn't rule > out Thomas Dekker winning it, but I don't think it's likely.

Not in the line-up.
With the news of PvP's troubles, I am casting a provisional vote to> Nico Mattan.

PVP has a very light cold, a bit of slime in the throat/nose. "It just
seems logical after two days in the rain. Some call it the illness of
good form, we'll see. Thursday morning I didn't feel good enough to
[start in the last stage of De Panne], I will rest and do some easy
riding in the next days. I'm on the perfect formlevel." He also said:
"Right now my cold is not too bad, but I hope it doesn't get worse." and
"I'm feeling young again! And it's rather serious; I'm already saying I
will ride until 2007, if my wife lets me of course."


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Van Hoorebeeck Bart 1 April 2005 13:40:02 [ permanent link ]
 
at MrBookmaker one can bet on the winner's team

QS 3.5
DL 4
Rabo 6
T-Mob 6
Disco 7

then up to Fassa 14 etc.

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