Why isn't there 'Sharing the Road with Bicyclists' on DMV Papers
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Ravi 15 April 2005 00:27:06
Hi, I do not remember any where in the DMV Handbook or driving test, seeing anything that advocates proper treatment of Bicyclists on the Road. Why not these Bicycle Advocacy Organizations push for such an inclusion - that way, atleast it is embedded in the young minds that bicyclists are also legit road users.
Hi,> I do not remember any where in the DMV Handbook or driving test,> seeing anything that advocates proper treatment of Bicyclists on the> Road.
It depends on which state you're in. Some have as much info as can be expected, while others apparently do not. Which state are you talking about? Since you're posting to ba.bicycles I assume you're in CA. Last time I looked, there was "as much info as can be expected" in both the drivers' manual and the written test. You might want to read it again.
Keep in mind there's a lot to cover in too few pages. For the message to sink in at all, it can't be too comprehensive or complicated. Same with the test.
Why not these Bicycle Advocacy Organizations push for such an> inclusion -
: Hi, : I do not remember any where in the DMV Handbook or driving test, : seeing anything that advocates proper treatment of Bicyclists on the : Road. Why not these Bicycle Advocacy Organizations push for such an : inclusion - that way, atleast it is embedded in the young minds that : bicyclists are also legit road users. : : my 2 cents, : +ravi
it's all in the Texas drivers' handbook. You should not assume that because it isn't done a certain way where you live that it applies to every place.
: Hi,> : I do not remember any where in the DMV Handbook or driving test,> : seeing anything that advocates proper treatment of Bicyclists on the> : Road. Why not these Bicycle Advocacy Organizations push for such an> : inclusion - that way, atleast it is embedded in the young minds that> : bicyclists are also legit road users.> :> : my 2 cents,> : +ravi>
it's all in the Texas drivers' handbook. You should not assume that because> it isn't done a certain way where you live that it applies to every place.>
Michael J Rodney Sr. 15 April 2005 12:28:17 [ permanent link ]
Florida's DMV handbook describes a bicycle as being a legitimate vehicle. Although not covered in expansive detail, there are a few paragraphs that cover the duties of the motorist (in respect to bicycles) and the duties of the bicyclist when on the road.
In article <862dnd0F9NmH5sLfRVn-3A@comcast.com>, "Michael J Rodney Sr." <mjrodney@comcast.net> wrote:
Florida's DMV handbook describes a bicycle as being a legitimate vehicle. > Although not covered in expansive detail, there are a few paragraphs that > cover the duties of the motorist (in respect to bicycles) and the duties of > the bicyclist when on the road.
The first two things that a newly liscensed driver forgets:
Ravi <toravir@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1113510249.519443@sj-nntpcache-5...> Hi,> I do not remember any where in the DMV Handbook or driving test,> seeing anything that advocates proper treatment of Bicyclists on the> Road. Why not these Bicycle Advocacy Organizations push for such an> inclusion - that way, atleast it is embedded in the young minds that> bicyclists are also legit road users.> But what if they are successful? How long would it take a legislator to propose licensing bicycle riders?
FWIW in my neck of the woods I see far more irresponsible cycling than driving.
: Hi,> : I do not remember any where in the DMV Handbook or driving test,> : seeing anything that advocates proper treatment of Bicyclists on the> : Road. Why not these Bicycle Advocacy Organizations push for such an> : inclusion - that way, atleast it is embedded in the young minds that> : bicyclists are also legit road users.> :> : my 2 cents,> : +ravi>
it's all in the Texas drivers' handbook. You should not assume that because> it isn't done a certain way where you live that it applies to every place.
In article <862dnd0F9NmH5sLfRVn-3A@comcast.com>,> "Michael J Rodney Sr." <mjrodney@comcast.net> wrote:>
Florida's DMV handbook describes a bicycle as being a legitimate vehicle. >>Although not covered in expansive detail, there are a few paragraphs that >>cover the duties of the motorist (in respect to bicycles) and the duties of >>the bicyclist when on the road. >
The first two things that a newly liscensed driver forgets:>
1. Driving is a privelege granted by the state.
yes, I agree, most drivers tend to forget the privilege part. If everyone understands this, the roads would be far safe for cyclists. but then i am dreaming.
: > it's all in the Texas drivers' handbook. You should not assume that because : > it isn't done a certain way where you live that it applies to every place. : : apologies. my bad. looked at : http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/ftp/forms/DLhandbook.pdf, on page 9-7, it : actually explains the cases where a bicycle can take a full lane.... it : is more comprehensive than CA ;) : : again my bad, : +ravi
I was just getting that lecture this week. We were riding two abreast on a farm to market road in the country when about 4 trucks came up behind us. I started to get into single file and my companion gave me an earful! He says we have every right to ride two abreast--thus taking up the entire lane. I replied that most drivers expect bicyclists to get into single file. His reply was a "#$%@ 'em--I know the law!" Still, it seems to me that if we "flaunt it" by taking up the entire lane, the drivers will just get irritated and we aren't really "winning" anything.
: : FWIW in my neck of the woods I see far more irresponsible cycling than : driving. : : Matthew
I think you would have to break that down into categories. All cyclists? or juveniles riding on the sidewalk or in the road riding against traffic? Car drivers are more cautious because a slip up could cause severe injury or death; bicyclists, especially the kids, seem to think "nothing will happen to me". When I was in Germany, the kids had to take a course in responsible bicycle riding when they were 10 years old. They even got a "driver's license" at the completion of the course. I think we should have something like that in the States.
"Ravi" wrote:> I do not remember any where in the DMV Handbook or driving test, seeing > anything that advocates proper treatment of Bicyclists on the Road. Why > not these Bicycle Advocacy Organizations push for such an inclusion - that > way, atleast it is embedded in the young minds that bicyclists are also > legit road users.
: FWIW in my neck of the woods I see far more irresponsible cycling than> : driving.> :> : Matthew>
I think you would have to break that down into categories. All cyclists? > or> juveniles riding on the sidewalk or in the road riding against traffic? > Car> drivers are more cautious because a slip up could cause severe injury or> death; bicyclists, especially the kids, seem to think "nothing will happen> to me".
It's not just kids. Around here, most of the guys on the $3000+ bikes seem to think they have the "skills" to run red lights and such. And club riders think nothing of riding 3 or 4 abreast while climbing at 12 mph as traffic backs up behind them.
The cagers aren't much better, pushing the envelope on speed while talking on cell phones, and failing to yield the right of way to cyclists.
