Gary wrote:> Troll?> I am semi-quoting something you posted long ago saying any dominant> rider certainly is taking performance enhacing drugs such as Armstrong,> et al. Surely you remember that generalization. Trolls never bother
quote experts.> Since Petacchi fits that description, according to your way of
thinking,> he must be juicing. Correct?> B Lafferty wrote:>
"Gary" <gary@kvne.com> wrote in message> >news:111htehec0rrtfe@corp.supernews.com...> >
Just to be sure have Brian's train of thought...> >>Since Petacchi has four wins already and is clearly the DOMINANT
spinter> >>in the world, he MUST be taking illegal performance drugs...right?> >>Just want to be sure I am "brian-approved" oin this.> >>
Not a very good troll.> >
I'd have a whole lot less suspicion over a dominant sprinter doping than, say a climber or GC rider. There just aren't many things out there that I can think of that would really enhance a short anaerobic effort after 180km. Unless they are getting something handed up in a feed, which I seriously doubt is happening I just don't see any good way for sprinters to dope effectively other than epo to make them fresher when they get to the sprint, but I'd doubt that would be worth the risk. Bill C
"Kenny" <gelei2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1108971473.311781.300590@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...>
Tom Kunich wrote:>> "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com> wrote in message>> news:1108937412.307737.31340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...>> >
Petacchi is the best road sprinter *because* he is the freshest>> > after 180k.>> >
Kudos to him for that achievement, but there would be other guys>> > faster at a shorter distance (a 50k crit for example).>>
Who? In the final 100 yards the only sprinter that might rival>> Petacchi is Tom Steels. Exactly how many track sprinters have>> won pro road races?>
I don't think so. The Tom Steels from his Mapei-period wouls be a big> competitor. But he isn't able anymore of doing sprints at GT-stages.> I'm curious for the Giro though. Think the biggest rival of Petacchi is> McEwen, followed by Freire and Boonen.
You're entitled to your opinion of course. But mine is that the only one that'll be real competition for Petacchi will be Mario.
Curtis L . Russell 24 February 2005 03:10:57 [ permanent link ]
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:15:09 +0100, "Sandy" <leurre@free.fr> wrote:
Not a hostile question, but I wondered if your de-mythifying Petacchi is >reasonable. No one seemed to have signaled Cipollini as less than great, >when his locomotive as in play.
Armstrong has a train in the mountains, and if the question was about who could take Armstrong in the mountains, you would have to look to their support as well. And is someone argues that Armstrong is the strongest in the mountains and he had a string of not winning when the train broke down, you'd (and I) would have to ask the same question.
When Petacchi's train broke down last year in the Tour, he was without his advantage, but in many stages he wasn't at any particular tactical disadvantage either. He didn't win. I question his invincibility as a sprinter on his own when compared to the other leading sprinters.
Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels...
Wonder if he'll go the Simeoni route and file criminal charges for being offended? That's going to be fun if they start charging every media type who offends someone. Half of Italy is going to be in court before this stupidity goes away. Bill
Ewoud Dronkert 17 March 2005 16:21:45 [ permanent link ]
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:04:18 +0100, Robert Chung wrote:>> Armstrong said Simeoni lied when under oath, that's a bit different.>
Where did he say that?
OK, more precisely, Armstrong said "he's a liar", referring to Simeoni's statements made under oath. The bit in quotes might not be exact, maybe needs a capital or full stop. And where, I don't remember. But this is the basis for Simeoni's defamation of character lawsuit, is it not?
Ewoud Dronkert wrote:> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 13:04:18 +0100, Robert Chung wrote:>>> Armstrong said Simeoni lied when under oath, that's a bit different.>>
Where did he say that?>
OK, more precisely, Armstrong said "he's a liar", referring to Simeoni's> statements made under oath. The bit in quotes might not be exact, maybe> needs a capital or full stop. And where, I don't remember. But this is> the basis for Simeoni's defamation of character lawsuit, is it not?
Well, I agree the lawsuit is about that phrase, but the article in Le Monde doesn't make it clear whether it referred to Simeoni's specific statements under oath or whether it was a more general statement about Simeoni's character. That's why I asked. I was wondering whether there was more specific information about exactly what was said.
Ewoud Dronkert wrote:> Which would probably require the defense to come up with verifiable> false statements made by Simeoni outside of the courtroom. Which in turn> is not very likely they could, I think.
Well, I would think using EPO until you're caught red-handed is sorta vaguely like falsely representing yourself.
Anyway. Armstrong's an arsehole
I presume you're making a reference to general character.
BTW, Simeoni stated (under oath) that Ferrari supplied him with EPO. Ferrari was acquitted of that charge.
Curtis L . Russell 17 March 2005 18:09:07 [ permanent link ]
On 16 Mar 2005 16:52:04 -0800, "Bill C" <tritonrider@aol.com> wrote:
Wonder if he'll go the Simeoni route and file criminal charges for>being offended? That's going to be fun if they start charging every>media type who offends someone. Half of Italy is going to be in court>before this stupidity goes away.>Bill
Those in Italy that have read your post and assumed that they may be the half that you are referring to are preparing to sue you even as we speak. They feel highly potentially offended.
Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels...
Ewoud Dronkert wrote:> On 16 Mar 2005 16:52:04 -0800, Bill C wrote:> > Wonder if he'll go the Simeoni route and file criminal charges for> > being offended?>
Armstrong said Simeoni lied when under oath, that's a bit different.>
The disciplinary commission of the Italian Federation has censured Guiseppe Guerini and fined Filippo Pozzato €3,000 in a hearing arising from an incident in stage 18 of the 2004 Tour de France.
The commission found that Pozzato and Guerini had insulted Fillippo Simeoni after Simeoni returned to the peloton in stage 18. Simeoni had been in a breakaway that was chased down by Lance Armstrong, whom Simeoni is suing for libel in fall-out from the Ferrari case.
