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GYXU > Cricket > South Africa chasing 435 to win in 50 over match 15 March 2006 12:13:45
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South Africa chasing 435 to win in 50 over match

Habshi 15 March 2006 12:13:45
 and looks like they are going to get there!
416-7 with 12 balls left
426-8 9 to win in last over
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Robert Kay 12 March 2006 21:55:11 [ permanent link ]
 
"habshi" <hi@anony> wrote in message news:441444c5.49272­04@news.clara.net...­> and looks like they are going to get there!> 416-7 with 12 balls left> 426-8 9 to win in last over
And then they did, with 1 wicket and one ball to spare!


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ColinKynoch 13 March 2006 06:25:27 [ permanent link ]
 On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 05:19:56 +0200, Steve Hayes
<hayesmstw@hotmail.­com> decided that the world would be a better place
for knowing the following:
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:57:23 GMT, hi@anony (habshi) wrote:>
and looks like they are going to get there!>>416-7 with 12 balls left>>426-8 9 to win in last over>
And did, when Makhaya Ntini probably played the most important shot of his>career in the last over. >
It was the most nail-biting finish to an ODI series I've ever seen, and>perhaps set a new record for the number of records that were broken.

Nah the WC semi was more nail biting

Colin Kynoch
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Ferdi Greyling 13 March 2006 10:54:15 [ permanent link ]
 <<On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 03:25:27 GMT, ColinKynoch
<colinkynoch@gmail.­com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 05:19:56 +0200, Steve Hayes><hayesmstw@ho­tmail.com> decided that the world would be a better place>for knowing the following:>
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:57:23 GMT, hi@anony (habshi) wrote:>>
and looks like they are going to get there!>>>416-7 with 12 balls left>>>426-8 9 to win in last over>>
And did, when Makhaya Ntini probably played the most important shot of his>>career in the last over. >>
It was the most nail-biting finish to an ODI series I've ever seen, and>>perhaps set a new record for the number of records that were broken.>
Nah the WC semi was more nail biting>
Colin Kynoch>>

You do not know all that much about cricekt, do you?

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Sportsfan 13 March 2006 11:10:32 [ permanent link ]
 
"daftb" <daftbrain@gmail.co­m> wrote in message
news:1142237112.344­575.72020@i39g2000cw­a.googlegroups.com..­.>
ColinKynoch wrote:>> On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 05:19:56 +0200, Steve Hayes>> <hayesmstw@hotmail.­com> decided that the world would be a better place>> for knowing the following:>>
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:57:23 GMT, hi@anony (habshi) wrote:>> >
and looks like they are going to get there!>> >>416-7 with 12 balls left>> >>426-8 9 to win in last over>> >
And did, when Makhaya Ntini probably played the most important shot of >> >his>> >career in the last over.>> >
It was the most nail-biting finish to an ODI series I've ever seen, and>> >perhaps set a new record for the number of records that were broken.>>
Nah the WC semi was more nail biting>>
Colin Kynoch>
Not really. That too was nail-biting but I have to agree with Steve> this was definately more of a nail-biter in my opinion.

Agreed because of the magnitude of the task, when Australia
finished their innings I thought, I would never see another
innings of that class repeated in my lifetime, just goes to show
how wrong one can be. It also shows that SA were worthy
winners, and that when they play with a positive attitude they
can beat any team.



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Rod 13 March 2006 11:37:50 [ permanent link ]
 In article <1142237112.344575.­72020@i39g2000cwa.go­oglegroups.com>,
daftbrain@gmail.com­ says...
Nah the WC semi was more nail biting>
Not really. That too was nail-biting but I have to agree with Steve> this was definately more of a nail-biter in my opinion.

Aside from the team that I support losing... it was a remarkable
chase but clearly the conditions favoured the batsmen. It was a
contest between bat and bat and as such really excludes it from
being the all-time greatest game IMO.

--
Cheers,
Rod.
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Sportsfan 13 March 2006 11:48:12 [ permanent link ]
 
"Rod" <rodp@hotmail.com.r­emoveme> wrote in message
news:MPG.1e7fda6cd6­74dcb99896b9@news.ii­net.net.au...> In article <1142237112.344575.­72020@i39g2000cwa.go­oglegroups.com>,> daftbrain@gmail.com­ says...>
Nah the WC semi was more nail biting>>
Not really. That too was nail-biting but I have to agree with Steve>> this was definately more of a nail-biter in my opinion.>
Aside from the team that I support losing... it was a remarkable> chase but clearly the conditions favoured the batsmen. It was a> contest between bat and bat and as such really excludes it from> being the all-time greatest game IMO.

Interesting, however IMO there is always a place for good bowling
on any surface. Yes the pitch was prepared to favour the batsmen
but having 17 runs scored in a over without a ball (legal) being
bowled cannot be attributed to the wicket. I wonder if this is a
record because if it is, it is certainly not one being quoted in the
SA press.
Just how does one determine what constitutes the greatest ODI
certainly if records broken, come into the criteria this one must
be rated as the best.>
-- > Cheers,> Rod.


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Ferdi Greyling 13 March 2006 11:52:27 [ permanent link ]
 On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:37:50 +1100, Rod <rodp@hotmail.com.r­emoveme>
wrote:

<<>In article <1142237112.344575.­72020@i39g2000cwa.go­oglegroups.com>, >daftbrain@gmail.co­m says...>
Nah the WC semi was more nail biting>>
Not really. That too was nail-biting but I have to agree with Steve>> this was definately more of a nail-biter in my opinion.>
Aside from the team that I support losing... it was a remarkable>chase but clearly the conditions favoured the batsmen. It was a>contest between bat and bat and as such really excludes it from>being the all-time greatest game IMO.>
-- >Cheers,>Rod.>>

So which game is your all time best one day?




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Ferdi Greyling 13 March 2006 11:57:27 [ permanent link ]
 On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:48:12 +0200, "sportsfan" <bignose@telkomsa.n­et>
wrote:

<<>Just how does one determine what constitutes the greatest ODI>>

If one is an Australian, I supopose, only those games that Australia
won, comes into consideration.

But I suppose, yesterday's game was not THAT great seeing that the
result was also to a large degree determined by the Aussies chocking
big time.


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Rod 13 March 2006 12:03:50 [ permanent link ]
 In article <dv3bkh$qo2$1@ctb-n­nrp2.saix.net>, bignose@telkomsa.ne­t
says...
Just how does one determine what constitutes the greatest ODI> certainly if records broken, come into the criteria this one must> be rated as the best.

In my opinion, certainly not a game where one team comes out to
bat, blasts the bowlers around the park. Other teams comes out
to bat and blasts the bowlers around the park just that smidge
more.

Admittedly I'm only going on reports and scorecards of the SA
innings but SA's run chase was ~70 ahead of Australia at 30
overs. Where it gives more than enough of incompetent bowling
and hard hitting, it lacked in drama. It was just a bludgeon
fest.

--
Cheers,
Rod.
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Rod 13 March 2006 12:16:31 [ permanent link ]
 In article <44193291.868054336­@news.saix.co.za>, nospam@at.all says...
So which game is your all time best one day?

Not being anywhere near as big a fan of ODO's than I am of tests
I'd have to side with Colin and pick the WC Semi.

It wasn't a high scoring affair, it had plenty of ebb and flow
where one team was starting to dominate and the pendulum would
swing back to the other side. Pollock and Warne coming in and
taking wickets when it mattered.

Was topped off by Reiffel helping Klusener to a 6 and the next
over smashing two fours off the 1st two balls to bring the scores
level. All 11 players inside the circle to see a close run out
miss and the next ball run out of Donald on a brain explosion
for an unbelievable finish to an excellent match.

--
Cheers,
Rod.
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Steve Hayes 13 March 2006 12:41:56 [ permanent link ]
 On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:37:50 +1100, Rod <rodp@hotmail.com.r­emoveme> wrote:
In article <1142237112.344575.­72020@i39g2000cwa.go­oglegroups.com>, >daftbrain@gmail.co­m says...>
Nah the WC semi was more nail biting>>
Not really. That too was nail-biting but I have to agree with Steve>> this was definately more of a nail-biter in my opinion.>
Aside from the team that I support losing... it was a remarkable>chase but clearly the conditions favoured the batsmen. It was a>contest between bat and bat and as such really excludes it from>being the all-time greatest game IMO.

After the first innings I remarked to my wife that that would be one match
that there wasn't much point in watching. A guy at church with us said he was
glad he had thought of getting tickets to watch the second innings, and was
glad he had decided not to. We changed our minds.

The batting was on the same pitch, and so was the bowling. I expected that the
South African team would be so demoralised at the magnitude of the task that
they would be lucky to get 200. They could have got the highest score they had
ever got, and still lose. But they weren't.

We had some visitors who dropped in about halfway through the SA innings. We
said, sorry to be rude, but we're not turning the cricket off. They wasi
"Who's playing?" which showed how interested they were in cricket. But they
saw history being made.

And the record I found most interesting being broken is "The highest winning
score on this ground by a team batting second is..." followed by the
commentator saying that the team batting second is trying to achieve an
impossible target. It'll be a long time before they can say that again at the
Wanderers.


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocitie­s.com/Athens/7734/st­evesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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Steve Hayes 13 March 2006 12:49:28 [ permanent link ]
 On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:16:31 +1100, Rod <rodp@hotmail.com.r­emoveme> wrote:
It wasn't a high scoring affair, it had plenty of ebb and flow>where one team was starting to dominate and the pendulum would>swing back to the other side. Pollock and Warne coming in and>taking wickets when it mattered.>
Was topped off by Reiffel helping Klusener to a 6 and the next>over smashing two fours off the 1st two balls to bring the scores>level. All 11 players inside the circle to see a close run out>miss and the next ball run out of Donald on a brain explosion>for an unbelievable finish to an excellent match.

And this one had plenty of ebb and flow, where every wicket counted. Being 30
ahead doesn't count all that much when you've got another 300 to make.
Donald's inattention meant that the match was lost in a fit of absence of
mind. Nitini coming in to face the bowling with 2 to make in 3 balls was much
more tense. Of course every other run counted just as much, but at that stage
in the match it was the most significant run of his career.


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocitie­s.com/Athens/7734/st­evesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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Ferdi Greyling 13 March 2006 16:52:35 [ permanent link ]
 On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:16:31 +1100, Rod <rodp@hotmail.com.r­emoveme>
wrote:

<<>In article <44193291.868054336­@news.saix.co.za>, nospam@at.all
says...>
So which game is your all time best one day? >
Not being anywhere near as big a fan of ODO's than I am of tests>I'd have to side with Colin and pick the WC Semi. >>

Ah yes. The one that Australia won. Now why did I think that was going
to be the determining factor?

You probably don't realise yet what both teams achieved this past
Sunday. And how it probably changed the one day game permanently.



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Ferdi Greyling 13 March 2006 16:54:33 [ permanent link ]
 On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:41:56 +0200, Steve Hayes
<hayesmstw@hotmail.­com> wrote:

<<>And the record I found most interesting being broken is "The
highest winning>score on this ground by a team batting second is..." followed by the>commentator saying that the team batting second is trying to achieve an>impossible target. It'll be a long time before they can say that again at the>Wanderers. >>

The game delivered three stunning world records. And it set new
bounderies for the one day game.

That is apart from the tension and the ebb an flow of the game.




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Robert Kay 13 March 2006 21:06:36 [ permanent link ]
 
"Ferdi Greyling" <nospam@at.all> wrote in message
news:44172513.86460­0780@news.saix.co.za­...> <<On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 03:25:27 GMT, ColinKynoch> <colinkynoch@gmail.­com> wrote:>
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 05:19:56 +0200, Steve Hayes> ><hayesmstw@hotmail­.com> decided that the world would be a better place> >for knowing the following:> >
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:57:23 GMT, hi@anony (habshi) wrote:> >>
and looks like they are going to get there!> >>>416-7 with 12 balls left> >>>426-8 9 to win in last over> >>
And did, when Makhaya Ntini probably played the most important shot of
career in the last over.> >>
It was the most nail-biting finish to an ODI series I've ever seen, and> >>perhaps set a new record for the number of records that were broken.> >
Nah the WC semi was more nail biting> >
Colin Kynoch>>>
You do not know all that much about cricekt, do you?

Eithr that or he is a very jealous and upset Aussie!


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Rod 13 March 2006 23:17:17 [ permanent link ]
 In article <441e78cb.886032126­@news.saix.co.za>, nospam@at.all says...
Not being anywhere near as big a fan of ODO's than I am of tests> >I'd have to side with Colin and pick the WC Semi. >>>
Ah yes. The one that Australia won. Now why did I think that was going> to be the determining factor?

You must be thinking of a different match, the result was a tie.

--
Cheers,
Rod.
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Rod 13 March 2006 23:22:58 [ permanent link ]
 In article <441f7950.886165919­@news.saix.co.za>, nospam@at.all says...
That is apart from the tension and the ebb an flow of the game.

What ebb and flow?!

One team came out to bat and tee'd off. The other team came out
to bat and tee'd off. SA always had the required run rate well
in check, and for most of the game, was exceeding what was
required.

--
Cheers,
Rod.
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Habshi 14 March 2006 01:37:44 [ permanent link ]
 India and Pakistan must introduce 20 over cricket in a big way
or they will get left behind .
the Aussies and SAfricans have been playing the 20 over game
where a run rate of 10 is not enough to win.
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Habshi 14 March 2006 01:48:29 [ permanent link ]
 
the Aussies and SAfricans have been playing the 20 over game
where a run rate of 10 is not enough to win and that is why they were
not afraid to hit out .

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Steve Hayes 14 March 2006 04:05:33 [ permanent link ]
 On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:37:44 GMT, hi@anony (habshi) wrote:
India and Pakistan must introduce 20 over cricket in a big way>or they will get left behind .>the Aussies and SAfricans have been playing the 20 over game>where a run rate of 10 is not enough to win.


Perhaps they can introduce 5-over games for people with short attention spans.


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocitie­s.com/Athens/7734/st­evesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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Steve Hayes 14 March 2006 04:07:46 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:22:58 +1100, Rod <rodp@hotmail.com.r­emoveme> wrote:
In article <441f7950.886165919­@news.saix.co.za>, nospam@at.all says...>
That is apart from the tension and the ebb an flow of the game.>
What ebb and flow?!>
One team came out to bat and tee'd off. The other team came out>to bat and tee'd off. SA always had the required run rate well>in check, and for most of the game, was exceeding what was >required.

You didn't watch the match, did you?


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocitie­s.com/Athens/7734/st­evesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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Rod 14 March 2006 04:11:39 [ permanent link ]
 In article <bq5c12h4lsq4s5q28n­jef5hae2pdmdido5@4ax­.com>,
hayesmstw@hotmail.c­om says...
One team came out to bat and tee'd off. The other team came out> >to bat and tee'd off. SA always had the required run rate well> >in check, and for most of the game, was exceeding what was > >required. >
You didn't watch the match, did you?

Only a portion of the Australian innings. I had already stated
that.

Please point out the parts of the Australian innings where SA
were ontop, likewise point out the parts of the SA innings where
Australia were ontop.

--
Cheers,
Rod.
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ColinKynoch 14 March 2006 05:09:41 [ permanent link ]
 On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 07:54:15 GMT, nospam@at.all (Ferdi Greyling)
decided that the world would be a better place for knowing the
following:
<<On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 03:25:27 GMT, ColinKynoch><colink­ynoch@gmail.com> wrote:>
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 05:19:56 +0200, Steve Hayes>><hayesmstw@h­otmail.com> decided that the world would be a better place>>for knowing the following:>>
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:57:23 GMT, hi@anony (habshi) wrote:>>>
and looks like they are going to get there!>>>>416-7 with 12 balls left>>>>426-8 9 to win in last over>>>
And did, when Makhaya Ntini probably played the most important shot of his>>>career in the last over. >>>
It was the most nail-biting finish to an ODI series I've ever seen, and>>>perhaps set a new record for the number of records that were broken.>>
Nah the WC semi was more nail biting>>
Colin Kynoch>>>
You do not know all that much about cricekt, do you?

Why?

The WC semi was a TIE

It was a far more important game, it was a considerably lower scoring
affair, and there was considerably more depending on the outcome.

If you think an inconsequential ODO comp (and with the exception of
the WC they all are) is anything close to the WC and getting into the
WC final, you have shown that you have no knowledge of cricket.

Colin Kynoch
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ColinKynoch 14 March 2006 05:10:46 [ permanent link ]
 On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:06:36 +0200, "Robert Kay" <robertkay@home.net­>
decided that the world would be a better place for knowing the
following:
"Ferdi Greyling" <nospam@at.all> wrote in message>news:441725­13.864600780@news.sa­ix.co.za...>> <<On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 03:25:27 GMT, ColinKynoch>> <colinkynoch@gmail.­com> wrote:>>
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 05:19:56 +0200, Steve Hayes>> ><hayesmstw@hotmail­.com> decided that the world would be a better place>> >for knowing the following:>> >
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:57:23 GMT, hi@anony (habshi) wrote:>> >>
and looks like they are going to get there!>> >>>416-7 with 12 balls left>> >>>426-8 9 to win in last over>> >>
And did, when Makhaya Ntini probably played the most important shot of>his>> >>career in the last over.>> >>
It was the most nail-biting finish to an ODI series I've ever seen, and>> >>perhaps set a new record for the number of records that were broken.>> >
Nah the WC semi was more nail biting>> >
Colin Kynoch>>>>
You do not know all that much about cricekt, do you?>
Eithr that or he is a very jealous and upset Aussie!

Neither jealous nor upset.

It was a nothing ODO.

I was one of the first to congratulate South Africa in this newsgroup.

Now if it was a Test match then I would have been upset.

Colin Kynoch

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ColinKynoch 14 March 2006 05:11:27 [ permanent link ]
 On 13 Mar 2006 00:05:12 -0800, "daftb" <daftbrain@gmail.co­m> decided
that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:
ColinKynoch wrote:>> On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 05:19:56 +0200, Steve Hayes>> <hayesmstw@hotmail.­com> decided that the world would be a better place>> for knowing the following:>>
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:57:23 GMT, hi@anony (habshi) wrote:>> >
and looks like they are going to get there!>> >>416-7 with 12 balls left>> >>426-8 9 to win in last over>> >
And did, when Makhaya Ntini probably played the most important shot of his>> >career in the last over.>> >
It was the most nail-biting finish to an ODI series I've ever seen, and>> >perhaps set a new record for the number of records that were broken.>>
Nah the WC semi was more nail biting>>
Colin Kynoch>
Not really. That too was nail-biting but I have to agree with Steve>this was definately more of a nail-biter in my opinion.

Given the prize was actually something worthwhile in the WC, the ODO
in Joberg doesn't come close.

Colin Kynoch
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ColinKynoch 14 March 2006 05:12:29 [ permanent link ]
 On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:37:50 +1100, Rod <rodp@hotmail.com.r­emoveme>
decided that the world would be a better place for knowing the
following:
In article <1142237112.344575.­72020@i39g2000cwa.go­oglegroups.com>, >daftbrain@gmail.co­m says...>
Nah the WC semi was more nail biting>>
Not really. That too was nail-biting but I have to agree with Steve>> this was definately more of a nail-biter in my opinion.>
Aside from the team that I support losing... it was a remarkable>chase but clearly the conditions favoured the batsmen. It was a>contest between bat and bat and as such really excludes it from>being the all-time greatest game IMO.

Agreed.

When only ONE bowler returns an Econ below 7 there is something
seriously skewed about the conditions under which the game was played.

Colin Kynoch
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ColinKynoch 14 March 2006 05:14:25 [ permanent link ]
 On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 08:57:27 GMT, nospam@at.all (Ferdi Greyling)
decided that the world would be a better place for knowing the
following:
On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:48:12 +0200, "sportsfan" <bignose@telkomsa.n­et>>wrote:>
<<>Just how does one determine what constitutes the greatest ODI>>>
If one is an Australian, I supopose, only those games that Australia>won, comes into consideration.

If one is a cricket lover then really only Tests have much value, and
if you want the World Cup. The rest of ODO's are cannon fodder for
the LCD.

But I suppose, yesterday's game was not THAT great seeing that the>result was also to a large degree determined by the Aussies chocking>big time.

Is "chocking" Afrikaans?

I haven't heard that term before.

Colin Kynoch>
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ColinKynoch 14 March 2006 05:15:14 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 03:05:33 +0200, Steve Hayes
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 22:37:44 GMT, hi@anony (habshi) wrote:>
India and Pakistan must introduce 20 over cricket in a big way>>or they will get left behind .>>the Aussies and SAfricans have been playing the 20 over game>>where a run rate of 10 is not enough to win.>
Perhaps they can introduce 5-over games for people with short attention spans.

Just have the game decided by a coin toss.

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ColinKynoch 14 March 2006 05:22:21 [ permanent link ]
 On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:49:28 +0200, Steve Hayes
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:16:31 +1100, Rod <rodp@hotmail.com.r­emoveme> wrote:>
It wasn't a high scoring affair, it had plenty of ebb and flow>>where one team was starting to dominate and the pendulum would>>swing back to the other side. Pollock and Warne coming in and>>taking wickets when it mattered.>>
Was topped off by Reiffel helping Klusener to a 6 and the next>>over smashing two fours off the 1st two balls to bring the scores>>level. All 11 players inside the circle to see a close run out>>miss and the next ball run out of Donald on a brain explosion>>for an unbelievable finish to an excellent match.>
And this one had plenty of ebb and flow, where every wicket counted. Being 30>ahead doesn't count all that much when you've got another 300 to make.>Donald's inattention meant that the match was lost in a fit of absence of>mind. Nitini coming in to face the bowling with 2 to make in 3 balls was much>more tense.

Really? The South Africans were major favourites at that point

All Ntini had to do was get bat to ball and run like hell.

Boucher could have just about lapped him.
Of course every other run counted just as much, but at that stage>in the match it was the most significant run of his career.

I'd rank it 494th at best.

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ColinKynoch 14 March 2006 05:36:38 [ permanent link ]
 On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:52:35 GMT, nospam@at.all (Ferdi Greyling)
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:16:31 +1100, Rod <rodp@hotmail.com.r­emoveme>>wrote:>
<<>In article <44193291.868054336­@news.saix.co.za>, nospam@at.all>says.­..>>
So which game is your all time best one day? >>
Not being anywhere near as big a fan of ODO's than I am of tests>>I'd have to side with Colin and pick the WC Semi. >>>
Ah yes. The one that Australia won.

And you have the nerve to ask me if I know much about cricket.

The match was a TIE

Australia made it into the Final of teh World Cup on the basis of
having beat South Africa earlier in the tournament. No wonder South
Africa can't do well in World Cups if you are any indication of the
intelligence of a South African

Now why did I think that was going>to be the determining factor?

Because you have no idea.
You probably don't realise yet what both teams achieved this past>Sunday. And how it probably changed the one day game permanently.

You expect all curators to make pitches so heavily skewed in favour of
the batsman?

One game like that every decade or so is interesting, if it was every
game it would become dull and boring very very quickly

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ColinKynoch 14 March 2006 05:38:59 [ permanent link ]
 On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:54:33 GMT, nospam@at.all (Ferdi Greyling)
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On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 11:41:56 +0200, Steve Hayes><hayesmstw@ho­tmail.com> wrote:>
<<>And the record I found most interesting being broken is "The>highest winning>>score on this ground by a team batting second is..." followed by the>>commentator saying that the team batting second is trying to achieve an>>impossible target. It'll be a long time before they can say that again at the>>Wanderers. >>>
The game delivered three stunning world records.

Now I know maths is not a strong point in South Africa, but there were
quite a few more World Records than three set in that game.
And it set new>bounderies for the one day game.

Yep it brought the boundaries in a long way.

That is apart from the tension and the ebb an flow of the game.

What tension?

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ColinKynoch 14 March 2006 05:39:59 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 03:07:46 +0200, Steve Hayes
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:22:58 +1100, Rod <rodp@hotmail.com.r­emoveme> wrote:>
In article <441f7950.886165919­@news.saix.co.za>, nospam@at.all says...>>
That is apart from the tension and the ebb an flow of the game.>>
What ebb and flow?!>>
One team came out to bat and tee'd off. The other team came out>>to bat and tee'd off. SA always had the required run rate well>>in check, and for most of the game, was exceeding what was >>required. >
You didn't watch the match, did you?

I did and I agree with Rob. South Africa didn't look like losing the
game once Smith and Gibbs teed off.

There were always ahead of the required rate.

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David White 14 March 2006 06:39:18 [ permanent link ]
 Ferdi Greyling wrote:> <<On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 03:25:27 GMT, ColinKynoch> <colinkynoch@gmail.­com> wrote:>> Nah the WC semi was more nail biting>>
You do not know all that much about cricekt, do you?

The ending of this game wasn't a patch on the WC semi.
a) The WC semi was just that - a WC semi. A plain ODI is 100 times less important. In
fact, international sporting contests don't get much lower in prestige than plain ODIs.
Almost all are forgotten within a week, and nobody really cares who wins an ODI series.

b) The WC semi tie occurred in extraordinary circumstances, i.e., SA was cruising until
Warne got into the action, and the mixup between the SA batsmen at the very end. In the
weekend game SA was actually doing better than Australia most of the way and they got the
runs in the last over in a pretty comfortable and conventional manner.

No comparison between the two.

David


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Ferdi Greyling 14 March 2006 11:49:11 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:10:46 GMT, ColinKynoch <colinkynoch@gmail.­com>
wrote:

<<t was a nothing ODO.>>

He, he. It hurts doesn't it?


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Ferdi Greyling 14 March 2006 11:53:59 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:39:18 +1100, "David White" <no@email.provided>­
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<<he ending of this game wasn't a patch on the WC semi.>a) The WC semi was just that - a WC semi. A plain ODI is 100 times less important. In>fact, international sporting contests don't get much lower in prestige than plain ODIs.>Almost all are forgotten within a week, and nobody really cares who wins an ODI series.>
b) The WC semi tie occurred in extraordinary circumstances, i.e., SA was cruising until>Warne got into the action, and the mixup between the SA batsmen at the very end. In the>weekend game SA was actually doing better than Australia most of the way and they got the>runs in the last over in a pretty comfortable and conventional manner.>
No comparison between the two.>
David>>

Yeah this weekend your team choked big time, hey?

"We should win this by 300 runs." - reader on the Sydney Morning
Herald's website after Australia posted 434 on Sunday.

He,he...


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Ferdi Greyling 14 March 2006 11:58:14 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:14:25 GMT, ColinKynoch <colinkynoch@gmail.­com>
wrote:


<<>If one is a cricket lover then really only Tests have much value,
if you want the World Cup. The rest of ODO's are cannon fodder for>the LCD.>>

Spoken like a true Aussie who's team has just lost a one day game!!

<<>>But I suppose, yesterday's game was not THAT great seeing that the>>result was also to a large degree determined by the Aussies chocking>>big time.>
Is "chocking" Afrikaans?>
I haven't heard that term before.>
Colin Kynoch>>


Thank you for spotting the typo! It gives me the opportunity to say it
again!

The result was to a large degree determined by the Aussies CHOKING big
time . In sport the terms is used in the following wway: "To fail to
perform effectively because of nervous agitation or tension,
especially in an athletic contest: choked by missing an easy putt on
the final hole."

P.S. I spelled "way" wrong. Does that mean I can say this again?




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Sportsfan 14 March 2006 11:59:50 [ permanent link ]
 
"Ferdi Greyling" <nospam@at.all> wrote in message
news:441b83b2.31734­83@news.saix.co.za..­.> On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:39:18 +1100, "David White" <no@email.provided>­> wrote:>
<<he ending of this game wasn't a patch on the WC semi.>>a) The WC semi was just that - a WC semi. A plain ODI is 100 times less >>important. In>>fact, international sporting contests don't get much lower in prestige >>than plain ODIs.>>Almost all are forgotten within a week, and nobody really cares who wins >>an ODI series.>>
b) The WC semi tie occurred in extraordinary circumstances, i.e., SA was >>cruising until>>Warne got into the action, and the mixup between the SA batsmen at the >>very end. In the>>weekend game SA was actually doing better than Australia most of the way >>and they got the>>runs in the last over in a pretty comfortable and conventional manner.>>
No comparison between the two.>>
David>>>
Yeah this weekend your team choked big time, hey?>
"We should win this by 300 runs." - reader on the Sydney Morning> Herald's website after Australia posted 434 on Sunday.>
He,he...

Aussies great athletes bad sportsmen, pity they played a good part
in a great display of cricket, it just the loosing they can't take.>


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Ferdi Greyling 14 March 2006 12:00:02 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:17:17 +1100, Rod <rodp@hotmail.com.r­emoveme>
wrote:

<<>In article <441e78cb.886032126­@news.saix.co.za>, nospam@at.all
says...>
Not being anywhere near as big a fan of ODO's than I am of tests>> >I'd have to side with Colin and pick the WC Semi. >>>>
Ah yes. The one that Australia won. Now why did I think that was going>> to be the determining factor?>
You must be thinking of a different match, the result was a tie. >
-- >Cheers,>Rod.>>

The effect was clear. And if the effect went the other way, you would
have trashed the game as unimportant. We have seen it many times. You
share that trait with the New Zealanders.




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Ferdi Greyling 14 March 2006 12:03:41 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:36:38 GMT, ColinKynoch <colinkynoch@gmail.­com>
wrote:


<<>>Ah yes. The one that Australia won.>
And you have the nerve to ask me if I know much about cricket.>
The match was a TIE>
Australia made it into the Final of teh World Cup on the basis of>having beat South Africa earlier in the tournament. No wonder South>Africa can't do well in World Cups if you are any indication of the>intelligence of a South African>>

Is 'teh" an Australian word perhaps? From way back?
Never mind.

":Australia made it into the final" you write - and that is what the
result of that game was. The context was clear, even before the game.

<<>>Now why did I think that was going>>to be the determining factor?>
Because you have no idea.>>

No, because I have dealings with Australian before. And because of
this very thread in which you came to the SA NG to tell us the game on
Sunday was unimportant.


<<You probably don't realise yet what both teams achieved this past>>Sunday. And how it probably changed the one day game permanently.>
You expect all curators to make pitches so heavily skewed in favour of>the batsman?>>

No. Not all are Australian.

<<One game like that every decade or so is interesting, if it was
every>game it would become dull and boring very very quickly>
Colin Kynoch>>

Like you already have become?
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Ferdi Greyling 14 March 2006 12:04:50 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 03:07:46 +0200, Steve Hayes
<hayesmstw@hotmail.­com> wrote:

<<>On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 07:22:58 +1100, Rod <rodp@hotmail.com.r­emoveme>
wrote:>
In article <441f7950.886165919­@news.saix.co.za>, nospam@at.all says...>>
That is apart from the tension and the ebb an flow of the game.>>
What ebb and flow?!>>
One team came out to bat and tee'd off. The other team came out>>to bat and tee'd off. SA always had the required run rate well>>in check, and for most of the game, was exceeding what was >>required. >
You didn't watch the match, did you?>>

He was VERY interested in this GREAT game - till 3 balls from the end.
Then he suddenly realised that one days are boring and this is an
unimportant little game.

He,he. they are so predictable.


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Ferdi Greyling 14 March 2006 12:12:03 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:38:59 GMT, ColinKynoch <colinkynoch@gmail.­com>
wrote:

<<>>The game delivered three stunning world records. >
Now I know maths is not a strong point in South Africa, but there were>quite a few more World Records than three set in that game.>>

Now, I know that logic and any thinking that requires a degree of
subtlety is not a strong point in Australia but the statement that the
game delivered "3 stunning world records" obviously (for people
outside Australia, that is) includes further records that is not
described (by the speaker) as "stunning".

In SA we use words like "only" in our sentences (example: the game
delivered only three word records) when we want to confine the world
records to a certain number. You should try it as well. The word
usage, that is.

<<>>And it set new>>bounderies for the one day game.>
Yep it brought the boundaries in a long way.>
That is apart from the tension and the ebb an flow of the game.>
What tension?>
Colin Kynoch>>

Naw, you were unaffected. YOu don't even watch one days.... never
concern yourself with one days.... (which is why you are on this NG in
this thread, I suppose).



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Ferdi Greyling 14 March 2006 12:13:02 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:12:29 GMT, ColinKynoch <colinkynoch@gmail.­com>
wrote:

<<>On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:37:50 +1100, Rod <rodp@hotmail.com.r­emoveme>>decided that the world would be a better place for knowing the>following:
Aside from the team that I support losing... it was a remarkable>>chase but clearly the conditions favoured the batsmen. It was a>>contest between bat and bat and as such really excludes it from>>being the all-time greatest game IMO.>
Agreed.>>

Said the one Aussie to the other. (Must be the truth then, mate?)

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Ferdi Greyling 14 March 2006 12:14:57 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:11:27 GMT, ColinKynoch <colinkynoch@gmail.­com>
wrote:

<<>On 13 Mar 2006 00:05:12 -0800, "daftb" <daftbrain@gmail.co­m>
decided>that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:>
ColinKynoch wrote:>>> On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 05:19:56 +0200, Steve Hayes>>> <hayesmstw@hotmail.­com> decided that the world would be a better place>>> for knowing the following:>>>
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:57:23 GMT, hi@anony (habshi) wrote:>>> >
and looks like they are going to get there!>>> >>416-7 with 12 balls left>>> >>426-8 9 to win in last over>>> >
And did, when Makhaya Ntini probably played the most important shot of his>>> >career in the last over.>>> >
It was the most nail-biting finish to an ODI series I've ever seen, and>>> >perhaps set a new record for the number of records that were broken.>>>
Nah the WC semi was more nail biting>>>
Colin Kynoch>>
Not really. That too was nail-biting but I have to agree with Steve>>this was definately more of a nail-biter in my opinion.>
Given the prize was actually something worthwhile in the WC, the ODO>in Joberg doesn't come close.>
Colin Kynoch>>

Is "Joberg" an Australian word, then?

Or did you perhaps watch a different game than we did?!


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Steve Hayes 14 March 2006 12:33:16 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:15:14 GMT, ColinKynoch <colinkynoch@gmail.­com> wrote:
Perhaps they can introduce 5-over games for people with short attention spans.>
Just have the game decided by a coin toss.

In ODIs it often is, especially with these silly "power plays" and
"supersubs".




--
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E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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Rod 14 March 2006 13:10:09 [ permanent link ]
 In article <441d85d5.3720840@n­ews.saix.co.za>, nospam@at.all says...
Ah yes. The one that Australia won. Now why did I think that was going> >> to be the determining factor?> >
You must be thinking of a different match, the result was a tie.
The effect was clear. And if the effect went the other way, you would> have trashed the game as unimportant. We have seen it many times. You> share that trait with the New Zealanders.

No, I wouldn't have. I'm glad to see you know all about me from a
handful of messages on Usenet though, a valuable talent to have.

--
Cheers,
Rod.
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ColinKynoch 14 March 2006 13:37:20 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:49:11 GMT, nospam@at.all (Ferdi Greyling)
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:10:46 GMT, ColinKynoch <colinkynoch@gmail.­com>>wrote:>
<<t was a nothing ODO.>>>
He, he. It hurts doesn't it?

Nope.

The thing I find highly amusing about this is the massive importance
that the Seth Efricans put on this ODO.


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ColinKynoch 14 March 2006 13:38:17 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:53:59 GMT, nospam@at.all (Ferdi Greyling)
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:39:18 +1100, "David White" <no@email.provided>­>wrote:>
<<he ending of this game wasn't a patch on the WC semi.>>a) The WC semi was just that - a WC semi. A plain ODI is 100 times less important. In>>fact, international sporting contests don't get much lower in prestige than plain ODIs.>>Almost all are forgotten within a week, and nobody really cares who wins an ODI series.>>
b) The WC semi tie occurred in extraordinary circumstances, i.e., SA was cruising until>>Warne got into the action, and the mixup between the SA batsmen at the very end. In the>>weekend game SA was actually doing better than Australia most of the way and they got the>>runs in the last over in a pretty comfortable and conventional manner.>>
No comparison between the two.>>
David>>>
Yeah this weekend your team choked big time, hey?>
"We should win this by 300 runs." - reader on the Sydney Morning>Herald's website after Australia posted 434 on Sunday.


Clearly written by someone who had not watched Australia bat.

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ColinKynoch 14 March 2006 13:57:57 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:03:41 GMT, nospam@at.all (Ferdi Greyling)
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:36:38 GMT, ColinKynoch <colinkynoch@gmail.­com>>wrote:>
<<>>Ah yes. The one that Australia won.>>
And you have the nerve to ask me if I know much about cricket.>>
The match was a TIE>>
Australia made it into the Final of teh World Cup on the basis of>>having beat South Africa earlier in the tournament. No wonder South>>Africa can't do well in World Cups if you are any indication of the>>intelligence of a South African>>>
Is 'teh" an Australian word perhaps? From way back? >Never mind. >
":Australia made it into the final" you write - and that is what the>result of that game was. The context was clear, even before the game.

Well there was a great deal of confusion at the ground at on the
commentary.

But you were wrong Australia did not win the match

Pure and simple the game was tied

<<>>Now why did I think that was going>>>to be the determining factor?>>
Because you have no idea.>>>
No, because I have dealings with Australian before.

Any particular ONE?

this very thread in which you came to the SA NG to tell us the game on>Sunday was unimportant.

I have frequently said that ODOs are unimportant
<<You probably don't realise yet what both teams achieved this past>>>Sunday. And how it probably changed the one day game permanently.>>
You expect all curators to make pitches so heavily skewed in favour of>>the batsman?>>>
No. Not all are Australian.

So is the curator at the Bullring an Aussie?

<<One game like that every decade or so is interesting, if it was>every>>game it would become dull and boring very very quickly>>
Colin Kynoch>>>
Like you already have become?

I am guessing you will go back under your rock when the real cricket
starts.

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ColinKynoch 14 March 2006 14:03:57 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:12:03 GMT, nospam@at.all (Ferdi Greyling)
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:38:59 GMT, ColinKynoch <colinkynoch@gmail.­com>>wrote:>
<<>>The game delivered three stunning world records. >>
Now I know maths is not a strong point in South Africa, but there were>>quite a few more World Records than three set in that game.>>>
Now, I know that logic and any thinking that requires a degree of>subtlety is not a strong point in Australia

Well we outstrip the likes of you.

Aren't you drying out in the open air?

game delivered "3 stunning world records" obviously (for people>outside Australia, that is) includes further records that is not>described (by the speaker) as "stunning".

So what were the three stunning one?

Don't worry they would be the ones set by South Africa, as it is
stunning that they could actually set any.

I suppose that we in Australia are so used to our citizens setting
world records that we have become a little blase.

In SA we use words like "only" in our sentences (example: the game>delivered only three word records) when we want to confine the world>records to a certain number. You should try it as well. The word>usage, that is.

We use them in Australia, but only when necessary

<<>>And it set new>>>bounderies for the one day game.>>
Yep it brought the boundaries in a long way.>>
That is apart from the tension and the ebb an flow of the game.>>
What tension?>>
Colin Kynoch>>>
Naw, you were unaffected.

Yep.

It was a meaningless ODO.
.... never>concern yourself with one days...

They are only of any importance during the WC. At other times they
are a diversion.
(which is why you are on this NG in>this thread, I suppose).

I am a regular poster in this ng and have been for about 7 years.

You on the other hand rarely crawl out from under your rock

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ColinKynoch 14 March 2006 14:05:17 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:13:02 GMT, nospam@at.all (Ferdi Greyling)
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:12:29 GMT, ColinKynoch <colinkynoch@gmail.­com>>wrote:>
<<>On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:37:50 +1100, Rod <rodp@hotmail.com.r­emoveme>>>decided that the world would be a better place for knowing the>>following:>
Aside from the team that I support losing... it was a remarkable>>>chase but clearly the conditions favoured the batsmen. It was a>>>contest between bat and bat and as such really excludes it from>>>being the all-time greatest game IMO.>>
Agreed.>>>
Said the one Aussie to the other. (Must be the truth then, mate?)

In Australia we use the term mate when referring to friends.

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ColinKynoch 14 March 2006 14:11:56 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 09:14:57 GMT, nospam@at.all (Ferdi Greyling)
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following:
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:11:27 GMT, ColinKynoch <colinkynoch@gmail.­com>>wrote:>
<<>On 13 Mar 2006 00:05:12 -0800, "daftb" <daftbrain@gmail.co­m>>decided>>that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:>>
ColinKynoch wrote:>>>> On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 05:19:56 +0200, Steve Hayes>>>> <hayesmstw@hotmail.­com> decided that the world would be a better place>>>> for knowing the following:>>>>
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:57:23 GMT, hi@anony (habshi) wrote:>>>> >
and looks like they are going to get there!>>>> >>416-7 with 12 balls left>>>> >>426-8 9 to win in last over>>>> >
And did, when Makhaya Ntini probably played the most important shot of his>>>> >career in the last over.>>>> >
It was the most nail-biting finish to an ODI series I've ever seen, and>>>> >perhaps set a new record for the number of records that were broken.>>>>
Nah the WC semi was more nail biting>>>>
Colin Kynoch>>>
Not really. That too was nail-biting but I have to agree with Steve>>>this was definately more of a nail-biter in my opinion.>>
Given the prize was actually something worthwhile in the WC, the ODO>>in Joberg doesn't come close.>>
Colin Kynoch>>>
Is "Joberg" an Australian word, then?

Nope. A number of Seth Efricans have used it to refer to Johannesburg
Or did you perhaps watch a different game than we did?!

As I understand it the game was played at the New Wanderers Stadium,
which I believe is in Johannesburg Seth Efrica.

Colin Kynoch>
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Ferdi Greyling 14 March 2006 14:42:05 [ permanent link ]
 On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 10:37:20 GMT, ColinKynoch <colinkynoch@gmail.­com>
wrote:

<<n Tue, 14 Mar 2006 08:49:11 GMT, nospam@at.all (Ferdi Greyling)>decided that the world would be a better place for knowing the>following:>
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:10:46 GMT, ColinKynoch <colinkynoch@gmail.­com>>>wrote:>>
<<t was a nothing ODO.>>>>
He, he. It hurts doesn't it? >
Nope.>
The thing I find highly amusing about this is the massive importance>that the Seth Efricans put on this ODO.>
Colin Kynoch>>


So it does not hurt, heh?
You're cool....

(He,he..)






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