On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:34:05 -0500, "Phil. Felton" <felton@princeton.edu> wrote:
If he's smart he won't 'bowl' the doosra.
Why shoudnt he, tests said he could bowl the doosra under the 15 degrees thingy, so he shud bowl em iwth the same sort of action, if reported like this, go n bowl again at those labs get cleared n bowl em again.
On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 00:34:05 -0500, "Phil. Felton"> <felton@princeton.edu> wrote:>
If he's smart he won't 'bowl' the doosra.>
Why shoudnt he, tests said he could bowl the doosra under the 15> degrees thingy, so he shud bowl em iwth the same sort of action, if> reported like this, go n bowl again at those labs get cleared n bowl> em again.
If he bowls them with the same sort of action the ball will hardly reach the stumps.
Passing one test doesn't mean that you'll always pass the test in the future or> protect> against future tests. If it did it would give a bowler carte blanche to chuck> after 'passing' a test.
Exactly. Even if you pass a test and pass all future tests, that does not mean that you weren't throwing during the Test, so to speak. The author of the article seems to have deliberately ignored the comment that Harbhajan's action for the doosra seemed to have changed between the first and second innings. Passing a test is irrelevant unless the bowler's action was the same from test to Test.
On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:02:37 -0500, Uday Rajan <udayrajan@yahoo.com> tapped the keyboard and brought forth:
Phil. Felton wrote:>
Passing one test doesn't mean that you'll always pass the test in the future or>> protect>> against future tests. If it did it would give a bowler carte blanche to chuck>> after 'passing' a test.>
Exactly. Even if you pass a test and pass all future tests, that >does not mean that you weren't throwing during the Test, so to >speak. The author of the article seems to have deliberately >ignored the comment that Harbhajan's action for the doosra seemed >to have changed between the first and second innings. Passing a >test is irrelevant unless the bowler's action was the same from >test to Test.
I'd also have to say that if Harbhajan's comments are accurately reported, both in this article and elsewhere, either he's being disingenuous or he's as thick as Kallis.
Prakash Melwani 24 March 2005 04:58:54 [ permanent link ]
"Uday Rajan" <udayrajan@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3acbjkF691nr2U1@individual.net...> Phil. Felton wrote:>
Passing one test doesn't mean that you'll always pass the test in the
future or> > protect> > against future tests. If it did it would give a bowler carte blanche to chuck> > after 'passing' a test.>
Exactly. Even if you pass a test and pass all future tests, that> does not mean that you weren't throwing during the Test, so to> speak. The author of the article seems to have deliberately> ignored the comment that Harbhajan's action for the doosra seemed> to have changed between the first and second innings. Passing a> test is irrelevant unless the bowler's action was the same from> test to Test.
I'll readily admit I was not really paying a lot of attention to Harby's action in the two innings. I was just wondering whether you were and noticed this change?
"Prakash Melwani" <prakmel2@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3aehn4F69t7pfU1@individual.net...> I'll readily admit I was not really paying a lot of attention to Harby's> action in the two innings.> I was just wondering whether you were and noticed this change?>
Prakash
Prakash,
I was not specifically looking to spot any change, but I did feel on occassion that Harbhy was bending his arm a bit too much, especially in I2 but a couple of times even in I1. I was not very surprised when he was reported after the game to be honest, because I myself had felt that his action was iffy at times.
Also, I view this thingy as a tendency to bowl illegally when trying to extract that little more from the pitch. Just because one did not do it in a game does not mean one will never do it.
Also, Harbhy is not the only one indulging in this. There are more than 5 bowlers on the world stage who have a tendency to bend their arms when bowling certain deliveries.
I'll readily admit I was not really paying a lot of attention to Harby's> action in the two innings.> I was just wondering whether you were and noticed this change?
Nope. Didn't watch the Test. But before someone goes flying off the handle at the match officials, they should at least take the time to understand the reasons behind their actions. If they disagree about whether his action changed between the innings, they should say so. Otherwise, I for one cannot take anything they say seriously.
