Don't let the win kid us into believing that Ganguly was a decent captain. He was not. Wisden, Cricinfo and Rediff have all criticisized him.
Here's an example.
__________________________ A point to be noted: just before the ball was bowled Mohammad Kaif was heard exhorting Ganguly to bring in more close-in fielders. At the moment, India had four close-in fielders (first slip, silly point, short-leg and leg-gully) and having more fielders would have only added to the chances of getting a wicket. But Ganguly persisted with the same field, which included fielders at the boundary as well! ___________________________
He is simply no good against the rising ball. Keeps out Kaif / Yuvraj. Time to send him packing. One Azza was bad enough we don't need one every ecade.
"Vorpel de Yengees" <clantegenerian@aemail4u.com> wrote in message news:1111343196.737441.245520@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...> Don't let the win kid us into believing that Ganguly was a decent> captain. He was not. Wisden, Cricinfo and Rediff have all criticisized> him.>
Here's an example.>
__________________________> A point to be noted: just before the ball was bowled Mohammad Kaif was> heard exhorting Ganguly to bring in more close-in fielders. At the> moment, India had four close-in fielders (first slip, silly point,> short-leg and leg-gully) and having more fielders would have only added> to the chances of getting a wicket. But Ganguly persisted with the same> field, which included fielders at the boundary as well!> ___________________________>
He is simply no good against the rising ball. Keeps out Kaif / Yuvraj.> Time to send him packing. One Azza was bad enough we don't need one> every ecade.>
V de Y. The Last Clantegenerian>
Here we go again. Bash Ganguly!!! So, these two incident prove that he is not a good captain? His batting is not good at the moment, and it is fair to criticize that. But, I thought he captained superbly. As long as he has unanimous support within team India, he should captain. Period. Cricinfo, Rediff, Wisden do not matter!
there are few who dislike changes. They were the one who supported azhar as captain for 7-8 years and were quite content with india winning home series. These people also supported parthiv patel saying he will imrove in few years. These people also hate the use of technology becoz. they dislike changes. These people are content with whayever is in present and dont want to improve.I will say to the extent that Ganguly is a good leader but very foolish in term of intelligence and strategy.. Dravid will make a much better captain and it will pressurize ganguly for his place in team. If ganguly had been the captain india would have lost the bombay test vs aus.
Vorpel de Yengees 20 March 2005 23:17:20 [ permanent link ]
He stands up for his players. In this he is different from the horrible corruptuddin.
But he seems to be a poor thinker and too many people have pointed out he is not a very sharp observer or a good stundent of the game. Tendulker was both but was not a strong enough leader. Plus he did not have players in such form (as Ganguly's team was) when they went to Australia. The bowling was much weaker than Ganguly's team. Dravid is probably a smart, tactical thinker but I doubt if he is a good people person. His declaration when Tendulkar was short of 200 was a very bad call. I also think he is tempermentally suspect. He might be the best option. So get RD in the captain's slot and if Ganguly cannot get his batting act together drop him. Farewell party + gold watch + big pension. Bring in Kaif or Yuvraj.
Ganguly is no Brearly to deserve a place in the side just because of his grey cells. And then there are those who would say that Brearly is no Brearly.
16 in Aus 2003/04 at Sydney [1680] DNB - - 3 * 77 in Pak 2003/04 at Rawalpindi [1697] 45 in Ind 2004/05 at Bangalore [1713] 5 4 run out 4 * 9 in Ind 2004/05 at Chennai [1714] DNB - - 4 * 57 in Ind 2004/05 at Kanpur [1722] 40 in Ind 2004/05 at Kolkata [1724] DNB - - 4 * 71 in BD 2004/05 at Dhaka [1725] 88 in BD 2004/05 at Chittagong [1727] 21 Ind 2004/05 at Chandigarh [1738] DNB - - 4 * 12 in Ind 2004/05 at Kolkata [1741] 12 5 caught 3 * Analysis:77 against Pak repesents just 12% of the total score. that's really not much.57 against SA had 2 dropped catches. 71 and 88 against BD? - don't need to say much.Ganguly after the 2nd Test says: "I have scored most of my runs batting at No. 5. I have had a good last 14 Tests, I have scored runs for the last 10 years. It's only in the last three innings that I haven't made a significant contribution. At the end of the day, it doesn't make a difference what number you bat at, but it's time for both of us - Laxman and myself - to get runs "
1. He seems to think half centuries against BD are good enough. 2. Laxman is making life easy for Ganguly by not getting enough runs.
"Vorpel de Yengees" <clantegenerian@aemail4u.com> wrote in message news:1111346240.696215.104060@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...> He stands up for his players. In this he is different from the horrible> corruptuddin.>
But he seems to be a poor thinker and too many people have pointed out> he is not a very sharp observer or a good stundent of the game.> Tendulker was both but was not a strong enough leader. Plus he did not> have players in such form (as Ganguly's team was) when they went to> Australia. The bowling was much weaker than Ganguly's team. Dravid is> probably a smart, tactical thinker but I doubt if he is a good people> person. His declaration when Tendulkar was short of 200 was a very bad> call. I also think he is tempermentally suspect. He might be the best> option. So get RD in the captain's slot and if Ganguly cannot get his> batting act together drop him. Farewell party + gold watch + big> pension. Bring in Kaif or Yuvraj.>
Ganguly is no Brearly to deserve a place in the side just because of> his grey cells. And then there are those who would say that Brearly is> no Brearly.>
Madhusudan Singh 21 March 2005 00:17:15 [ permanent link ]
pankaj4ublue@gmail.com wrote:
there are few who dislike changes. They were the one who supported> azhar as captain for 7-8 years and were quite content with india> winning home series. These people also supported parthiv patel saying
Don't know about Azhar, but yes I am quite content with winning abroad and beating most countries at home.
he will imrove in few years. These people also hate the use of> technology becoz. they dislike changes. These people are content with> whayever is in present and dont want to improve.I will say to the
Improvement over winning ? I am curious.
extent that Ganguly is a good leader but very foolish in term of> intelligence and strategy.. Dravid will make a much better captain and
The Indian team has plenty of thinkers. One think it has not had is inspiring leaders too often (Kapil Dev was the last one).
Its no coincidence that India's fortunes seem to go up whenever such captains are around.
it will pressurize ganguly for his place in team. If ganguly had been> the captain india would have lost the bombay test vs aus.
"Vorpel de Yengees" <clantegenerian@aemail4u.com> wrote in message news:1111343196.737441.245520@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...> Don't let the win kid us into believing that Ganguly was a decent> captain. He was not. Wisden, Cricinfo and Rediff have all criticisized> him.>
Here's an example.>
__________________________> A point to be noted: just before the ball was bowled Mohammad Kaif was> heard exhorting Ganguly to bring in more close-in fielders. At the> moment, India had four close-in fielders (first slip, silly point,> short-leg and leg-gully) and having more fielders would have only added> to the chances of getting a wicket. But Ganguly persisted with the same> field, which included fielders at the boundary as well!> ___________________________>
He is simply no good against the rising ball. Keeps out Kaif / Yuvraj.> Time to send him packing. One Azza was bad enough we don't need one> every ecade.>
V de Y. The Last Clantegenerian>
Here we go again. Bash Ganguly!!! So, these two incident prove that he is not a good captain? His batting is not good at the moment, and it is fair to criticize that. But, I thought he captained superbly. As long as he has unanimous support within team India, he should captain. Period. Cricinfo, Rediff, Wisden do not matter!
Vorpel de Yengees 21 March 2005 03:55:15 [ permanent link ]
Don't know about Azhar, but yes I am quite content with winning
abroad and
beating most countries at home.
This must be a joke. Care to look at your facts bubba? Azhar led us to wins abroad? Against whom? WI? South Africa? Australia? Pakistan? Which major cricket playing country did we beat abroad? Heck even England and NZ beat us. At least Ganguly for all his faults managed to leave Australia with a test win and series draw. We also dominated the Aussies in Sydney.
Azharuddin won the Hyderabad Derby and the 'Dukkan King' trophy for his intelligence. Content with wining abroad my foot.
"Halekala" <halekala@volcano.com> wrote in message news:26mdnRTHo88bWaDfRVn-uA@comcast.com...> "Vorpel de Yengees" <clantegenerian@aemail4u.com> wrote in message> news:1111343196.737441.245520@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...>> Don't let the win kid us into believing that Ganguly was a decent>> captain. He was not. Wisden, Cricinfo and Rediff have all criticisized>> him.>>
Here's an example.>>
__________________________>> A point to be noted: just before the ball was bowled Mohammad Kaif was>> heard exhorting Ganguly to bring in more close-in fielders. At the>> moment, India had four close-in fielders (first slip, silly point,>> short-leg and leg-gully) and having more fielders would have only added>> to the chances of getting a wicket. But Ganguly persisted with the same>> field, which included fielders at the boundary as well!>> ___________________________>>
He is simply no good against the rising ball. Keeps out Kaif / Yuvraj.>> Time to send him packing. One Azza was bad enough we don't need one>> every ecade.>>
V de Y. The Last Clantegenerian>>
Here we go again. Bash Ganguly!!! So, these two incident prove that he is> not a good captain? His batting is not good at the moment, and it is fair > to> criticize that. But, I thought he captained superbly. As long as he has> unanimous support within team India, he should captain. Period. Cricinfo,> Rediff, Wisden do not matter!>
Ganguly is making too many mistakes even after such a long tenure as captain. He was too defensive in Mohali with no third slip to Inzy when Balaji was bowling, did not use either Sehwag or Tendulkar at all to bowl on 2nd day in kolkata when Younis Khan and Youhana stitched a 200+ run partnership even though part time spinner Afridi got three wickets in the Indian first innings, had two fielders at the boundary even when Kaneria and Khalil were batting in I2, over bowled Irfan on day 5, I2 in Mohali, underbowled Balaji in Mohali day5 etc The list is endless which is unacceptable.
"Halekala" <halekala@volcano.com> wrote in message news:s_udnTKfsYpxZaDfRVn-hg@comcast.com...> "Vorpel de Yengees" <clantegenerian@aemail4u.com> wrote in message> news:1111343196.737441.245520@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...>> Don't let the win kid us into believing that Ganguly was a decent>> captain. He was not. Wisden, Cricinfo and Rediff have all criticisized>> him.>>
Here's an example.>>
__________________________>> A point to be noted: just before the ball was bowled Mohammad Kaif was>> heard exhorting Ganguly to bring in more close-in fielders. At the>> moment, India had four close-in fielders (first slip, silly point,>> short-leg and leg-gully) and having more fielders would have only added>> to the chances of getting a wicket. But Ganguly persisted with the same>> field, which included fielders at the boundary as well!>> ___________________________>>
He is simply no good against the rising ball. Keeps out Kaif / Yuvraj.>> Time to send him packing. One Azza was bad enough we don't need one>> every ecade.>>
V de Y. The Last Clantegenerian>>
Here we go again. Bash Ganguly!!! So, these two incident prove that he is> not a good captain? His batting is not good at the moment, and it is fair > to> criticize that. But, I thought he captained superbly. As long as he has> unanimous support within team India, he should captain. Period. Cricinfo,> Rediff, Wisden do not matter!>
Dravid's two centuries and Kumbles superb bowling won us Kolkata test, not gangulys captaincy.
Younis Khans stumping dismissal in I2 was most likely planned by Wright.
