Colin Lord wrote:> Any see footage of the Symonds "catch" itself?
Yep.
Did it bounce?
Nope.
But whether it carried or whether MacMillan is a disgrace to the game etc etc are not the issues. The issue is how Sheepherder managed to stuff things up so tremendously well. He didn't give him out, then he did give him out, and then presumably he didn't give him out again. The players were confused and bemused. The viewers had absolutely nfi. End of the road Shep.
On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 16:13:29 +1300, Myk Cameron <aqb@image.co.nz> decided that the world would be a better place for knowing the following:
On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 02:18:07 GMT, ColinKynoch <colinkynoch@gmail.com>>wrote:>
On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 00:51:57 GMT, "Colin Lord">><drsmith@lostinspace.com> decided that the world would be a better>>place for knowing the following:>>
Any see footage of the Symonds "catch" itself? Did it bounce? Poor camera >>>work miss the catch and it was inconclusive? >>
I thought it was pretty conclusive for a change.>>
It carried and he caught it above the ground.>>
I agree. Later on we saw zoomed up footage, and it certainly appeared>to be a fair catch.
What was Shep thinking?
I am pretty sure that he raised his finger and McMillan stood his ground.
On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 04:09:26 GMT, ColinKynoch <colinkynoch@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 16:13:29 +1300, Myk Cameron <aqb@image.co.nz>>decided that the world would be a better place for knowing the>following:>
On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 02:18:07 GMT, ColinKynoch <colinkynoch@gmail.com>>>wrote:>>
On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 00:51:57 GMT, "Colin Lord">>><drsmith@lostinspace.com> decided that the world would be a better>>>place for knowing the following:>>>
Any see footage of the Symonds "catch" itself? Did it bounce? Poor camera >>>>work miss the catch and it was inconclusive? >>>
I thought it was pretty conclusive for a change.>>>
It carried and he caught it above the ground.>>>
I agree. Later on we saw zoomed up footage, and it certainly appeared>>to be a fair catch.>
What was Shep thinking?>
I am pretty sure that he raised his finger and McMillan stood his>ground.>
I have no idea. I haven't seen any footage that conclusively shows that Shepherd gave him out. As others have pointed out, the reaction of the Australians give the impression that he did.
Has there been any comment from either of the teams or coaches on this yet?
"Colin Lord" <drsmith@lostinspace.com> wrote in message news:NusWd.185731$K7.37450@news-server.bigpond.net.au...> Any see footage of the Symonds "catch" itself? Did it bounce? Poor camera > work miss the catch and it was inconclusive?>
From the pictures I have seen it was clear cut out, no doubts.
Now another question on catches, was that one Kasper took in one of the previous games out? I refer to the one where he appears to catch it clean enough but when replayed in slow motion the ball appeared to be on the ground when he caught it.
Not using it to argue the McMillan one, just wondering if others saw it.
I know that when watching it the commentators where saying what a great catch, until it was replayed where they then started to question it but it has to be said that when seen live there was no doubt that it looked good, so no blame anywhere.
"alvey" <alvey_greig_sidecast@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:38vcc3F5sptouU1@individual.net...> Colin Lord wrote:> > Any see footage of the Symonds "catch" itself?>
Yep.>
Did it bounce?>
Nope.>
But whether it carried or whether MacMillan is a disgrace to the game> etc etc are not the issues. The issue is how Sheepherder managed to> stuff things up so tremendously well. He didn't give him out, then he> did give him out, and then presumably he didn't give him out again. The> players were confused and bemused. The viewers had absolutely nfi. End> of the road Shep.
I agree. In fact I said this about 12 months ago. His use by date is way over the limit.
<kenhiggs8@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1110106875.524500.192920@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...>
gco0307 wrote:>> "Colin Lord" <drsmith@lostinspace.com> wrote in message>> news:NusWd.185731$K7.37450@news-server.bigpond.net.au...>> > Any see footage of the Symonds "catch" itself? Did it bounce? Poor> camera>> > work miss the catch and it was inconclusive?>> >
From the pictures I have seen it was clear cut out, no doubts.>>
Now another question on catches, was that one Kasper took in one of> the>> previous games out? I refer to the one where he appears to catch it> clean>> enough but when replayed in slow motion the ball appeared to be on> the>> ground when he caught it.>>
Not using it to argue the McMillan one, just wondering if others saw> it.>>
I know that when watching it the commentators where saying what a> great>> catch, until it was replayed where they then started to question it> but it>> has to be said that when seen live there was no doubt that it looked> good,>> so no blame anywhere.>>
Garry>
Ones that favour Australians are never in doubt, nor do they need any> discussion.>
Australians would never be a disgrace to the game.>
Bail flipping is a recognised hobby, not a misdemeanour>
Higgs>
Ken, sometimes you type things that make sense, other times you appear to have a bias which is of course your prerogotive.
Now, as for the bail flipping incident. Aside from Langer I have not seen an Aussie do it other than in an effort to affect a runout or stumping. However I can recall at least 1 pommy wicketkeeper or around 15 - 20 years ago who on some rare occasions did appear to kick the stumps slightly to dislodge the bail (only saw it about 4 - 5 times).
Get over the Langer thing, he got off far to lightly but he did get off.
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"Colin Lord" <drsmith@lostinspace.com> wrote in message> news:NusWd.185731$K7.37450@news-server.bigpond.net.au...> > Any see footage of the Symonds "catch" itself? Did it bounce? Poor
camera> > work miss the catch and it was inconclusive?> >
From the pictures I have seen it was clear cut out, no doubts.>
Now another question on catches, was that one Kasper took in one of the> previous games out? I refer to the one where he appears to catch it clean> enough but when replayed in slow motion the ball appeared to be on the> ground when he caught it.
Hussey's catching of Cairns off Lee at Auckland fits that description. Are we perhaps talking about the same incident?
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"Colin Lord" <drsmith@lostinspace.com> wrote in message>> news:NusWd.185731$K7.37450@news-server.bigpond.net.au...>> > Any see footage of the Symonds "catch" itself? Did it bounce? Poor> camera>> > work miss the catch and it was inconclusive?>> >
From the pictures I have seen it was clear cut out, no doubts.>>
Now another question on catches, was that one Kasper took in one of the>> previous games out? I refer to the one where he appears to catch it clean>> enough but when replayed in slow motion the ball appeared to be on the>> ground when he caught it.>
Hussey's catching of Cairns off Lee at Auckland fits that description. > Are> we perhaps talking about the same incident?>
<snip>>
Andrew
Probably, sounds about right but I thought it was Kasper although now you mention Hussey it may be him.
He came forward on the point/cover point boundary and took the catch diving forward..
So, does anyone think it was out/not out.
I honestly have thoughts both ways but only because of the replay, live I thought it was out.
"Colin Lord" <drsmith@lostinspace.com> wrote in message> >> news:NusWd.185731$K7.37450@news-server.bigpond.net.au...> >> > Any see footage of the Symonds "catch" itself? Did it bounce? Poor> > camera> >> > work miss the catch and it was inconclusive?> >> >
From the pictures I have seen it was clear cut out, no doubts.> >>
Now another question on catches, was that one Kasper took in one of the> >> previous games out? I refer to the one where he appears to catch it
clean> >> enough but when replayed in slow motion the ball appeared to be on the> >> ground when he caught it.> >
Hussey's catching of Cairns off Lee at Auckland fits that description.> > Are> > we perhaps talking about the same incident?> >
<snip>> >
Andrew>
Probably, sounds about right but I thought it was Kasper although now you> mention Hussey it may be him.>
He came forward on the point/cover point boundary and took the catch
diving> forward..>
So, does anyone think it was out/not out.>
I honestly have thoughts both ways but only because of the replay, live I> thought it was out.
My view mirrors yours. The replay certainly made it look very much borderline, in a way the Symonds catch on Saturday simply wasn't.
"alvey" <alvey_greig_sidecast@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:38vcc3F5sptouU1@individual.net...> Colin Lord wrote:>> Any see footage of the Symonds "catch" itself?>
Yep.>
Did it bounce?>
Nope.>
But whether it carried or whether MacMillan is a disgrace to the game etc > etc are not the issues. The issue is how Sheepherder managed to stuff > things up so tremendously well. He didn't give him out, then he did give > him out, and then presumably he didn't give him out again. The players > were confused and bemused. The viewers had absolutely nfi. End of the road > Shep.
Maybe Shep was ordering another pie and everyone else just got a little confused.
Colin Lord wrote:> "gco0307" <gco0307@yahoo.com> wrote in message> news:422af151$0$27859$61c65585@un-2park-reader-01.sydney.pipenetworks.com.au...> >
<kenhiggs8@hotmail.com> wrote in message> > news:1110106875.524500.192920@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> >
Ken, sometimes you type things that make sense, other times you
appear to> > have a bias which is of course your prerogotive.>
That would be because Ken is troll.
OK Col, let's have your view.
Was McMillan a disgrace to the game for standing his ground?
Is standing your ground akin to bringing the game into disrepute?
Are your opinions applicable to all of those playing the game, or only some of them?
