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Toney/Ruiz
Ruddell 30 March 2005 19:49:47
	Well, it's not PPV... http://www.tsn.ca/boxing/news_story.asp?ID=119864&hubName=boxing -- Cheers Dennis Remove 'Elle-Kabong' to reply
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Riaz Juma 31 March 2005 01:26:52 [ permanent link ]
	"Ruddell" <ruddell'Elle-Kabong'@canada.com> wrote in message news:20050330095005614-0600@news.sk.sympatico.ca...> Well, it's not PPV...> http://www.tsn.ca/boxing/news_story.asp?ID=119864&hubName=boxing> --> Cheers> Dennis> Remove 'Elle-Kabong' to reply Who is the promoter of record for that one? did King win the bid? if so, if it is shown in Canada, it'll likely be kingvision, and the Colonel....sweet. Also..the Tito-Winky fight, I know its HBO in the states, but will it be kingvision outside? I know that winky isn';t a king fighter, so hopefully we won't have to deal with the Colonel.
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223rem 31 March 2005 01:33:25 [ permanent link ]
	Ruddell wrote:> Well, it's not PPV...> http://www.tsn.ca/boxing/news_story.asp?ID=119864&hubName=boxing Am I the only one wishing that Ruiz KOs Toney?
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The Sanity Cruzer 31 March 2005 02:03:27 [ permanent link ]
	"223rem" <223rem@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:FWE2e.19774$X36.19625@newssvr31.news.prodigy.com...> Ruddell wrote:>> Well, it's not PPV...>> http://www.tsn.ca/boxing/news_story.asp?ID=119864&hubName=boxing> Am I the only one wishing that Ruiz KOs Toney? Maybe. I'd like to see Ruiz, the pimp, go down, out and be gone from HW boxing.
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SuperCalo 31 March 2005 04:14:12 [ permanent link ]
	<ccarver@pennswoods.net> wrote in message news:1112225544.875470.295600@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...> 223rem wrote:> > Ruddell wrote:> > > Well, it's not PPV...> > > http://www.tsn.ca/boxing/news_story.asp?ID=119864&hubName=boxing> > Am I the only one wishing that Ruiz KOs Toney?> Quite the opposite. I want to see Ruiz punished for 12 rounds and then> knocked out late in the 12th. ruiz is too good to be knocked down by a jounrneyman like toney
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Ruddell 31 March 2005 06:28:29 [ permanent link ]
	In <UZWdnUWkb549hNbfRVn-hg@rogers.com> Riaz Juma wrote: Who is the promoter of record for that one? did King win the bid? if > so, if it is shown in Canada, it'll likely be kingvision, and the > Colonel....sweet. Also..the Tito-Winky fight, I know its HBO in the > states, but will it be kingvision outside? I know that winky isn';t a > king fighter, so hopefully we won't have to deal with the Colonel. Usually if it's a free HBO then TSN picks it up. Too early to see their schedule that far ahead but I'd bet on it... -- Cheers Dennis Remove 'Elle-Kabong' to reply
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DigDeep 31 March 2005 07:00:08 [ permanent link ]
	In article <20050330202848070-0600@news.sk.sympatico.ca>, Ruddell <ruddell'Elle-Kabong'@canada.com> wrote: Usually if it's a free HBO then TSN picks it up. Too early to see their > schedule that far ahead but I'd bet on it... Not necessarily true... They usually find a way to screw us in Canada when it comes to the marquee name fighters, by charging us for PPV even if the fight's on "regular" HBO in the US. Recent HBO-level fights with Gatti and Mosley come to mind... It wouldn't surprise me one bit if they show Ruiz-Toney only on PPV in Canada. DigDeep
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Ruddell 31 March 2005 07:13:31 [ permanent link ]
	In <d2ffbr$ger$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> SuperCalo wrote:> <ccarver@pennswoods.net> wrote in message> news:1112225544.875470.295600@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...>> 223rem wrote:>> > Ruddell wrote:>> > > Well, it's not PPV...>> > > http://www.tsn.ca/boxing/news_story.asp?ID=119864&hubName=boxing>> > Am I the only one wishing that Ruiz KOs Toney?>> Quite the opposite. I want to see Ruiz punished for 12 rounds and >> then knocked out late in the 12th.> ruiz is too good to be knocked down by a jounrneyman like toney Yeah, probably. If Ruiz sticks to his game plan as usual, he should win by points but it will be a long boring fight. Thus the n/c... -- Cheers Dennis Remove 'Elle-Kabong' to reply
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Paul Cassel 31 March 2005 07:32:01 [ permanent link ]
	SuperCalo wrote: .> ruiz is too good to be knocked down by a jounrneyman like toney> No no! Your cue is to bring up that Ruiz is only held down by racism. Just who is racist, what race Ruiz is, and why anybody cares about it - well, let's let that slide for now, OK?
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Riaz Juma 31 March 2005 07:33:52 [ permanent link ]
	"DigDeep" <Hoots05769NO@hotmailSPAM.com> wrote in message news:Hoots05769NO-4AFCCF.22000830032005@nr-tor01.bellnexxia.net...> In article <20050330202848070-0600@news.sk.sympatico.ca>,> Ruddell <ruddell'Elle-Kabong'@canada.com> wrote:> Usually if it's a free HBO then TSN picks it up. Too early to see their> > schedule that far ahead but I'd bet on it...> Not necessarily true... They usually find a way to screw us in Canada> when it comes to the marquee name fighters, by charging us for PPV even> if the fight's on "regular" HBO in the US. Recent HBO-level fights with> Gatti and Mosley come to mind... It wouldn't surprise me one bit if they> show Ruiz-Toney only on PPV in Canada.> DigDeep No kidding , Digdeep.. I remember paying for Winky/Mosley 2.. not only that but it wasn't even a decent quality HBO broadcast, it looked like a bootleg, with Dave Bontempo commentating.. it was awful. and with king cards, we do['t get the HBO broadcast, we get Kingvision, which si worse thana bootleg, and we get the Senile Colonel with his random spazzings.
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DigDeep 31 March 2005 08:46:53 [ permanent link ]
	In article <guidnTKpsvQ58tbfRVn-3g@rogers.com>, "Riaz Juma" <riaz.juma@rogers.com> wrote: No kidding , Digdeep.. I remember paying for Winky/Mosley 2.. not only that> but it wasn't even a decent quality HBO broadcast, it looked like a bootleg,> with Dave Bontempo commentating.. it was awful. and with king cards, we> do['t get the HBO broadcast, we get Kingvision, which si worse thana> bootleg, and we get the Senile Colonel with his random spazzings. I distinctly remember questioning the logic behind charging $40 for Wright-Mosley 2, instead of playing it on TSN like they normally do. That fight featured two solid fighters who aren't exactly household names to the casual fan, so why show it on PPV while it was showing on free HBO in the US? I wonder what their breakeven point was? Agreed on Kingvision, too. It's just a forum for the announcers to put on the pom-poms and talk about how great Don King is... And don't get me started on the Colonel Bob Sheridan... He had me in stitches during the broadcast of the Spinks-Judah rematch, when he referred to Winky Wright as the fighter who exposed Roy Jones, Jr... DigDeep
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Riaz Juma 31 March 2005 19:08:55 [ permanent link ]
	"DigDeep" <Hoots05769NO@hotmailSPAM.com> wrote in message news:Hoots05769NO-057558.23465330032005@nr-tor01.bellnexxia.net...> In article <guidnTKpsvQ58tbfRVn-3g@rogers.com>,> "Riaz Juma" <riaz.juma@rogers.com> wrote:> No kidding , Digdeep.. I remember paying for Winky/Mosley 2.. not only that> > but it wasn't even a decent quality HBO broadcast, it looked like a bootleg,> > with Dave Bontempo commentating.. it was awful. and with king cards, we> > do['t get the HBO broadcast, we get Kingvision, which si worse thana> > bootleg, and we get the Senile Colonel with his random spazzings.> I distinctly remember questioning the logic behind charging $40 for> Wright-Mosley 2, instead of playing it on TSN like they normally do.> That fight featured two solid fighters who aren't exactly household> names to the casual fan, so why show it on PPV while it was showing on> free HBO in the US? I wonder what their breakeven point was?> Agreed on Kingvision, too. It's just a forum for the announcers to put> on the pom-poms and talk about how great Don King is... And don't get me> started on the Colonel Bob Sheridan... He had me in stitches during the> broadcast of the Spinks-Judah rematch, when he referred to Winky Wright> as the fighter who exposed Roy Jones, Jr...> DigDeep Its pretty upsetting, but at least we didnt have to dig out ppv funds for Spink/Judah. But the Colonel is Senile, no doubt. whenever I know that teh two main fighters are king fighters, or its a king card, I know we are dealing with the Colonel. Even the Tarver/Jones rematch, since King won the bid, we had to deal with the Colonel, thats why I am kind of nervous about some of the upcoming fights involving king fighters, its awful.
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Robert Phillips 31 March 2005 21:36:06 [ permanent link ]
	223rem wrote: Am I the only one wishing that Ruiz KOs Toney? Absolutely not! I'm hoping for it. Pie
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SuperCalo 1 April 2005 01:11:59 [ permanent link ]
	"Robert Phillips" <rpie@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message news:ayW2e.20528$Pc.2396@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...> 223rem wrote:> Am I the only one wishing that Ruiz KOs Toney?> Absolutely not!> I'm hoping for it.> I think you will see it
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Christopher F 1 April 2005 02:04:19 [ permanent link ]
	"SuperCalo" <calo@supercalo.com> wrote in message news:d2ffbr$ger$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...> <ccarver@pennswoods.net> wrote in message> news:1112225544.875470.295600@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...>> 223rem wrote:>> > Ruddell wrote:>> > > Well, it's not PPV...>> > > http://www.tsn.ca/boxing/news_story.asp?ID=119864&hubName=boxing>> > Am I the only one wishing that Ruiz KOs Toney?>> Quite the opposite. I want to see Ruiz punished for 12 rounds and then>> knocked out late in the 12th.> ruiz is too good to be knocked down by a jounrneyman like toney> Your mother is a journeyman. Toney will be undisputed.
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Christopher F 1 April 2005 02:04:54 [ permanent link ]
	"Ruddell" <ruddell'Elle-Kabong'@canada.com> wrote in message news:20050330211350313-0600@news.sk.sympatico.ca...> In <d2ffbr$ger$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> SuperCalo wrote:>> <ccarver@pennswoods.net> wrote in message>> news:1112225544.875470.295600@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...>>> 223rem wrote:>>> > Ruddell wrote:>>> > > Well, it's not PPV...>>> > > http://www.tsn.ca/boxing/news_story.asp?ID=119864&hubName=boxing>>> > Am I the only one wishing that Ruiz KOs Toney?>>> Quite the opposite. I want to see Ruiz punished for 12 rounds and>>> then knocked out late in the 12th.>> ruiz is too good to be knocked down by a jounrneyman like toney> Yeah, probably. If Ruiz sticks to his game plan as usual, he should win> by points but it will be a long boring fight. Thus the n/c...> Gimmie a break. Ruiz has no shot against the great Toney. Toney KO 10
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Christopher F 1 April 2005 02:05:45 [ permanent link ]
	"Robert Phillips" <rpie@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message news:ayW2e.20528$Pc.2396@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...> 223rem wrote:> Am I the only one wishing that Ruiz KOs Toney?> Absolutely not!> I'm hoping for it.> Keep hoping. You're looking at the future undisputed heavyweight champion of the world in James Toney.
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Robert Phillips 1 April 2005 02:20:31 [ permanent link ]
	Christopher F wrote: Keep hoping. You're looking at the future undisputed heavyweight champion > of the world in James Toney. Riiiiiiiight... Pie
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SkippyPB 1 April 2005 20:16:17 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:04:54 GMT, "Christopher F" <tamborero@nyc.rr.NOSPAM.com> enlightened us: "Ruddell" <ruddell'Elle-Kabong'@canada.com> wrote in message >news:20050330211350313-0600@news.sk.sympatico.ca...>> In <d2ffbr$ger$1@lust.ihug.co.nz> SuperCalo wrote:>>> <ccarver@pennswoods.net> wrote in message>>> news:1112225544.875470.295600@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...>>>> 223rem wrote:>>>> > Ruddell wrote:>>>> > > Well, it's not PPV...>>>> > > http://www.tsn.ca/boxing/news_story.asp?ID=119864&hubName=boxing>>>> > Am I the only one wishing that Ruiz KOs Toney?>>>> Quite the opposite. I want to see Ruiz punished for 12 rounds and>>>> then knocked out late in the 12th.>>> ruiz is too good to be knocked down by a jounrneyman like toney>> Yeah, probably. If Ruiz sticks to his game plan as usual, he should win>> by points but it will be a long boring fight. Thus the n/c...>> Gimmie a break. Ruiz has no shot against the great Toney.> Toney KO 10 > Toney gave up being great when he put on 75+ pounds. With Ruiz's style, I could see him taking Toney the distance and winning. Regards, //// (o o) -oOO--(_)--OOo- "The first of April is the day we remember what we are the other 364 days of the year." -- Mark Twain ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Remove nospam to email me. Steve
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History Fan 1 April 2005 20:58:14 [ permanent link ]
	I've never been a John Ruiz fan because of his ugly style. However, I'd love to see him clobber the perpetually trash-talking, insult-spewing James Toney. However, since both men take good shots, we're probably looking at a long, dull 12 round decision with more clinches than punches. "Ruddell" <ruddell'Elle-Kabong'@canada.com> wrote in message news:20050330095005614-0600@news.sk.sympatico.ca...> Well, it's not PPV...> http://www.tsn.ca/boxing/news_story.asp?ID=119864&hubName=boxing> -- > Cheers> Dennis> Remove 'Elle-Kabong' to reply
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Christopher F 1 April 2005 21:24:05 [ permanent link ]
	"History Fan" <IreallyHATEspam@iREALLYhateSPAM.com> wrote in message news:cc119$424d7d9d$42a1cb1e$15722@FUSE.NET...> I've never been a John Ruiz fan because of his ugly style. However, > I'd love to see him clobber the perpetually trash-talking, insult-spewing > James Toney. Then you'll be waiting for a long time. Toney will take Ruiz's best shots and laugh, and proceed to beat the man to a late knockout. Watch Ruiz get taken to school April 30th, then return to eat your crow. However, since both men take good shots, Ruiz takes a good shot? Ahahahahha. Tell that to David Tua.
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Christopher F 2 April 2005 07:05:02 [ permanent link ]
	"TeamRuiz" <claire@teamruiz.com> wrote in message news:K2o3e.1861$7b.694@trndny01...> 223rem wrote:>> Ruddell wrote:>> Well, it's not PPV...>>> http://www.tsn.ca/boxing/news_story.asp?ID=119864&hubName=boxing>> Am I the only one wishing that Ruiz KOs Toney?> I'd Love to see John put Toney down!> Toney's going nowhere. Ruiz better come to fight.
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TeamRuiz 2 April 2005 07:10:34 [ permanent link ]
	223rem wrote:> Ruddell wrote:> Well, it's not PPV...>> http://www.tsn.ca/boxing/news_story.asp?ID=119864&hubName=boxing> Am I the only one wishing that Ruiz KOs Toney? I'd Love to see John put Toney down!
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Stephen Donatelli 3 April 2005 00:30:07 [ permanent link ]
	Ruiz takes a good shot? Ahahahahha. Tell that to David Tua. That was one fight. Tua is one of the most devestating punchers in HW history. Ruiz might not have a GREAT chin, but it's more than durable. He took hard shots from Golota and Rahman and still kept coming. I'm a big James Toney fan, but I think he's in for one tough fight against John Ruiz based on styles. Scar TKO "Christopher F" <tamborero@nyc.rr.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:Vsf3e.103829$534.32791@twister.nyc.rr.com...> "History Fan" <IreallyHATEspam@iREALLYhateSPAM.com> wrote in message > news:cc119$424d7d9d$42a1cb1e$15722@FUSE.NET...>> I've never been a John Ruiz fan because of his ugly style. However, >> I'd love to see him clobber the perpetually trash-talking, insult-spewing >> James Toney.> Then you'll be waiting for a long time. Toney will take Ruiz's best > shots and laugh, and proceed to beat the man to a late knockout. Watch > Ruiz get taken to school April 30th, then return to eat your crow.> However, since both men take good shots,>
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Ruddell 3 April 2005 01:39:35 [ permanent link ]
	In <yaydnf8ns89VndLfRVn-1w@comcast.com> Stephen Donatelli wrote:>> Ruiz takes a good shot? Ahahahahha. Tell that to David Tua.> That was one fight. Tua is one of the most devestating punchers in HW > history.> Ruiz might not have a GREAT chin, but it's more than durable. He took > hard shots from Golota and Rahman and still kept coming.> I'm a big James Toney fan, but I think he's in for one tough fight > against John Ruiz based on styles. I'm not nuts about either fighter but think that Ruiz just because of his way of dragging things on should win on points. But it's not going to be very nice or exciting -- Cheers Dennis Remove 'Elle-Kabong' to reply
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Tiso 4 April 2005 01:08:11 [ permanent link ]
	There's a huge gap nowadays between greatness and being a 'world'> > champion. Look at who Toney's beaten since he lost to Roy Jones.> McCallum, Jirov, Holyfield, etc... Credit to Toney for beating Jirov, but as was mentioned.. though not yet evident, he was a fighter on the downhill slide.. losing he's next two fights. Holyfield.. who may have been a favourite.. but was clearly on a steep downhill slide, winning only 2 out of his last 9 fights. He may have been the favourite coming into the fight, but so was Roy Jones coming into the Johnson fight even though he's decline was evident much earlier in the Tarver fights. McCallum was regarded as one of the greatest body punchers in the last quarter of a century.. but was never considered the same fighter at Light Heavy as he was at Middle. And certainly not the same fighter at Cruiser. Credit to Toney for defeating him during some of McCallum's greatest fighting years in the early 90's, but that was before losing to Jones. Toney defeated McCallum in their rubber match at Cruiserweight but it was a victory against another shot fighter on the downhill slope.. as was the case with Holyfield. So, after losing to Jones, and with the exception of Jirov.. who truly credible great fighters has Toney defeated who were not considered over the hill at the time of the fight??
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Christopher F 4 April 2005 02:22:27 [ permanent link ]
	"Tiso" <damontilla@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:42505b4c$0$5395$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...>> > There's a huge gap nowadays between greatness and being a 'world'>> > champion. Look at who Toney's beaten since he lost to Roy Jones.>> McCallum, Jirov, Holyfield, etc...> Credit to Toney for beating Jirov, but as was mentioned.. though not yet> evident, he was a fighter on the downhill slide.. losing he's next two> fights. He lost his next two fights #1) Because Toney ruined him, and #2) He was fighting at a weight he's clearly not effective in. Was Vargas on the downhill when he fought Trinidad? I guess so according to your logic. Holyfield.. who may have been a favourite.. but was clearly on a steep> downhill slide, winning only 2 out of his last 9 fights. Never being dominated or KTFO'd by the likes of a former middleweight. In fact, never being KO'ed once except against Riddick Bowe. Why wasn't Larry Donald able to put Holyfield on his back? After all, shouldn't Evander have been even MORE finished in the Donald fight? He may have been> the favourite coming into the fight, but so was Roy Jones coming into the> Johnson fight even though he's decline was evident much earlier in the> Tarver fights. So Roy Jones was shot, and shouldn't have been favored in that fight? McCallum was regarded as one of the greatest body punchers in the last> quarter of a century.. but was never considered the same fighter at Light> Heavy as he was at Middle. Neither was Toney. Your point? And certainly not the same fighter at Cruiser. Neither was Toney. Your point? Credit to Toney for defeating him during some of McCallum's greatest> fighting years in the early 90's, but that was before losing to Jones. And he beat him after that too. Yes McCallum was out of his best weight class, but so was Toney. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Toney defeated McCallum in their rubber match at Cruiserweight but it was > a> victory against another shot fighter on the downhill slope.. haha. Amazing how every fighter Toney demolishes is suddenly shot after his victory. as was the case> with Holyfield. Nope. Holyfield went on to lose a UD after being KTFO'd by Toney. And before the fight no one was calling Holyfield shot. Monday morning quaterback commentary is meaningless to me. So, after losing to Jones, and with the exception of Jirov.. Why are you leaving out Jirov? who truly> credible great fighters has Toney defeated who were not considered over > the> hill at the time of the fight?? Easy. Holyfield, McCallum, McGroom, Thadzi(who he beat), Griffin (who he beat) to name a few.
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Robert Phillips 4 April 2005 02:34:32 [ permanent link ]
	Christopher F wrote: who truly>>credible great fighters has Toney defeated who were not considered over >>the hill at the time of the fight??> Easy. Holyfield, McCallum, McGroom, Thadzi(who he beat), Griffin (who he > beat) to name a few. The challenge was to name "truly credible great fighters." Terry McGroom, Drake Thadzi, and Montell Griffin do not qualify. (Terry McGroom? A guy whose previous opponents had a sub-.500 winning percentage, who went 1-7-1 after Toney with a lone victory over a guy who was 0-28? You accuse others of minimizing Toney's opponents, and you puff up Terry McGroom as a "truly credible great fighter"? I think other Toney fans are begging you to stop.) And yes, Holyfield was considered over the hill and in decline prior to the Toney fight. It was noted after the Byrd fight, after each Ruiz fight, and after the Lewis fights. And it was true. Recall that Holyfield's decent performance against Rahman was greeted with no small degree of surprise. Pie
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Christopher F 4 April 2005 20:13:47 [ permanent link ]
	"Robert Phillips" <rpie@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message news:Yb_3e.16536$vd.13123@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...> Christopher F wrote:> who truly>>>credible great fighters has Toney defeated who were not considered over >>>the hill at the time of the fight??>> Easy. Holyfield, McCallum, McGroom, Thadzi(who he beat), Griffin (who >> he beat) to name a few.> The challenge was to name "truly credible great fighters." Terry McGroom, > Drake Thadzi, and Montell Griffin do not qualify. Then I doubt you're much of a boxing fan. Going into all those fights all of those opponents were considered credible. Running to boxrec to pretend you know what you're talking about after the fact really doesn't prove anything to me outside of the fact that you know how to use a search engine. Terry McGroom? A guy whose previous opponents had a sub-.500 winning > percentage, who went 1-7-1 after Toney with a lone victory over a guy who > was 0-28? Nice boxrec work, search engine scholar. Tell me, since you saw the fight what channel was it broadcast on, and what happned in the last round? You accuse others of minimizing Toney's opponents, and you puff up Terry > McGroom as a "truly credible great fighter"? If you were watching boxing at the time you'd know McGroom was considered a good boxer, was coming off an impressive win against another credible opponent who's name escapes me (you can run to boxrec if you like), and was facing one of the most out of shape James Toney's I've ever seen. And yes, Holyfield was considered over the hill and in decline prior to > the Toney fight. It was noted after the Byrd fight, after each Ruiz > fight, and after the Lewis fights. And it was true. Recall that > Holyfield's decent performance against Rahman was greeted with no small > degree of surprise. And let's see what you said after the fight: "I was probably surprised that Toney beat Holyfield, and the margin by which he did so" ahahahhahahaha. Yet another guy who thinks his monday morning quarterbacking is fooling someone.
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Robert Phillips 4 April 2005 21:38:42 [ permanent link ]
	Christopher F wrote: "Robert Phillips" <rpie@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message >>The challenge was to name "truly credible great fighters." Terry McGroom, >>Drake Thadzi, and Montell Griffin do not qualify.> Then I doubt you're much of a boxing fan. Going into all those fights all > of those opponents were considered credible. I didn't say they weren't credible. You see, I'm reacting to what Tiso actually wrote. He didn't ask for "credible" fighters. He asked for "truly credible great fighters." Were McGroom, Thadzi, and Griffin considered "great?" Much less "truly...great?" Or were they considered merely "credible?" Or are you just picking out the words that apply? There's a great difference between being "credible" and being "great." Unfortunately for your statement above, Tiso used both words. Terry McGroom? A guy whose previous opponents had a sub-.500 winning >>percentage, who went 1-7-1 after Toney with a lone victory over a guy who >>was 0-28?> Nice boxrec work, search engine scholar. Tell me, since you saw the fight > what channel was it broadcast on, and what happned in the last round? I didn't see it. Now tell me about Terry McGroom. You accuse others of minimizing Toney's opponents, and you puff up Terry >>McGroom as a "truly credible great fighter"?> If you were watching boxing at the time you'd know McGroom was considered a > good boxer, was coming off an impressive win against another credible > opponent who's name escapes me (you can run to boxrec if you like), and was > facing one of the most out of shape James Toney's I've ever seen. He was a credible opponent. And that's all he was. It's notable that he beat Terry McGroom, but it'll never be one of his top achievements. McGroom wasn't great, and like most fighters, he hit his limit, which was well below James Toney. And yes, Holyfield was considered over the hill and in decline prior to >>the Toney fight. It was noted after the Byrd fight, after each Ruiz >>fight, and after the Lewis fights. And it was true. Recall that >>Holyfield's decent performance against Rahman was greeted with no small >>degree of surprise.> And let's see what you said after the fight: "I was probably surprised that > Toney beat Holyfield, and the margin by which he did so" Yes, that's what I said. Can you find what people were saying about Holyfield before the Toney fight? what they were saying about him after the Byrd fight? after each Ruiz fight? after each Lewis fight? Or are you again just picking out the comments that you want? You're not quite on the level of David Mills, but you're a lot funnier than you realize. Pie
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