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Reevee69 11 March 2005 11:00:15
	I didn't think I was going to like this show, but it's actually quite good. Better than the DLH show.
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Clarke 11 March 2005 11:17:15 [ permanent link ]
	Reevee, I agree with you. It is good for boxing too. reevee69 wrote:> I didn't think I was going to like this show, but it's actually quite good. > Better than the DLH show. >
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Stephen Donatelli 11 March 2005 15:43:09 [ permanent link ]
	I like the show. It's not the greatest, but it's better than I expected. Scar TKO "Clarke" <clarke@masternever.com> wrote in message newsFbYd.22024$4Z7.19568@fe11.lga...> Reevee,> I agree with you. It is good for boxing too.> reevee69 wrote:>> I didn't think I was going to like this show, but it's actually quite >> good. Better than the DLH show.
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Calgary 11 March 2005 20:11:39 [ permanent link ]
	On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:00:15 GMT, "reevee69" <reevee69@sbcglobal.net> wrote: I didn't think I was going to like this show, but it's actually quite good. >Better than the DLH show. > You know I just watched it and it wasn't too bad. Given the sorry state of boxings alphabet soup sanctioning bodies maybe it is time for a new and unique approach to the sport. If they keep it all on the up and up, using the tournament format to crown a champion isn't such a bad idea. Don't get me wrong, I do not think much of having Stallone representing some kind of a boxing expert nor do I think much of devoting 45 minutes to the frills and then 15 minutes for the fight, but the sport is desperate for a break from the old ways. Maybe this is a start. I'll watch it one more time. -- Don Binns 2000 - Yamaha Venture Millennium Edition 84 - Virago 1000 You start with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience before you empty the bag of luck http://www3.telus.net/public/dbinns/reeky.htm http://www3.telus.net/public/dbinns/ http://www3.telus.net/public/dbinns/banff.htm http://www3.telus.net/public/dbinns/kananaskis.htm http://www3.telus.net/public/dbinns/walkercalgary.htm http://www3.telus.net/public/dbinns/calgarybrowning.htm
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Clarke 11 March 2005 20:44:47 [ permanent link ]
	Cal, Well said. I agree with you about Stallone. It would be the equivalent of having Richard Roundtree (Shaft) host a reality show for would be detectives. Sly is there for crossover appeal. However, It is not a bad thing. People are watching! Calgary wrote:> On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:00:15 GMT, "reevee69" <reevee69@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:> I didn't think I was going to like this show, but it's actually quite good. >>Better than the DLH show. >> You know I just watched it and it wasn't too bad. > Given the sorry state of boxings alphabet soup sanctioning bodies> maybe it is time for a new and unique approach to the sport. If they> keep it all on the up and up, using the tournament format to crown a> champion isn't such a bad idea.> Don't get me wrong, I do not think much of having Stallone> representing some kind of a boxing expert nor do I think much of> devoting 45 minutes to the frills and then 15 minutes for the fight,> but the sport is desperate for a break from the old ways. Maybe this> is a start.> I'll watch it one more time.
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S . Young 13 March 2005 07:38:54 [ permanent link ]
	In article <3mbYd.16746$OU1.12284@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>, reevee69 @sbcglobal.net says...> I didn't think I was going to like this show, but it's actually quite good. > Better than the DLH show. it's better in that they have better fighters, and better production values. But they follow nearly the same format-- a "challenge" that determines who will fight, a ton of filler, and a heavily edited fight with dramatic music. The Contender breaks the fighters into teams-- east vs. west. The winning team gets to pick the fighters to move on. DLH's show had individual competition, with the loser having to fight. The DLH show that I watched (and it was just the one) had them punching a heavybag on a track for a certain distance, with the boxers rated by time. The challenges on Contender have involved a bit more teamwork, and have the added element of a little brainpower-- memorizing the combination to a lock or figuring out a puzzle. I like the addition of keeping your wits while struggling. In the first episode, the East was running up the hollywood hills faster, but the guy out in front forgot the combo, and his team lost. But I'm not sure about the teamwork aspect. Boxing is as individual a sport there is. But Burnett in Survivor seems to like the tension between having to play on a team and also position yourself individually to win when the team is winnowed down. That's his formula, and if it gets viewers, all the better. It certainly seemed like in the second episode that Ishe Smith realized that it wasn't about the team. I suppose the most disappointing aspect of it is that NBC reacted to DLH's show by pushing the start date of The Contender back 4 months, and were supposedly re-editing episodes to avoid the move-to-cable fate of DLH's show. Yet, it's still the same basic formula. One way that they could have distinguished their show from DLH's would be to show more boxing. a 5 round fight is only 20 minutes long. That's still plenty of time for a challenge, training shots, and a little melodrama, and they could show the whole fight. I guess I'm a hardcore boxing fan, and they are trying to sell this to the general public. But for all the lip service that the participants and creators are giving to the notion that a big part of this show is about reviving the sport, gutting the matches the way that they do is admitting that people aren't interested in the boxing itself, and that the show is not really trying to get people interested in boxing. That UFC show on Spike does edit their bouts a bit, but they show a lot more, don't use slo-mo, and they don't drown it with cheezy music. And it makes UFC come across as more exciting than boxing does in the Contender. I'd say it makes UFC come across as more exciting than UFC is. The commentary on the fights is sparse. After the first fight, they had the folks sitting around saying "yep, the guy didn't bring it, the other guy wanted it more". Even if they kept the boxing heavily edited, they could provide a more detailed breakdown of the fight. Why did the one guy win? The UFC show does that. There was one where they had a submission fighter who surprised his guy by throwing blows whenever the opponent expected it to go to the mat. And they told us this after the fight. I don't think it would alienate the viewers to spend two minutes saying, this guy used his jab, or this guy was able to counterpunch all night. And it has the added benefit of building tension for future matchups. As it is, we just know that these guys fight. Even on the evening news level, they tell you that the Detroit Pistons are defensive, or that the Seattle Sonics are an outside shooting team. Then the casual fan knows what to look for going into the NBA playoffs, because they've got these little snippets about the way the teams play. Break the casual fan into it with a little bit of knowledge about the game. By not slipping in enough little lessons about the game, and keeping it at the level of "this guy's got heart", it doesn't help boxing, and it doesn't help the drama of the show. Unfortunately, they're showing the rest of the Contender on Sundays at 8PM. it's opposite the one hour of TV I have to watch each week-- Simpsons/Arrested Development. They could have put it on nearly any other night of the week, and I would have tuned in or taped it every week. Shamus
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Guest 14 March 2005 08:07:42 [ permanent link ]
	i read somewhere that one of the fighters on the show committed suicide.does anyone know which one it was?
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The Awesome 1 15 March 2005 01:12:11 [ permanent link ]
	Ages ago, I remember a Vegas fight that the whole town had to attend the fight because Ray was to lose his eyesight if he fought the fight. (That is the same time when he & his little son did 7UP ads). So maybe he is losing his sight & that is slowing him down emensely.
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The Awesome 1 15 March 2005 01:16:58 [ permanent link ]
	Najai Turpin. He shot himself on Valentine's Day morning while sitting in a car with his girlfriend. He left a young child (daughter I believe). Mike Haught sent me the news....
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Guest 15 March 2005 03:00:59 [ permanent link ]
	The Awesome 1 wrote:> Najai Turpin. He shot himself on Valentine's Day morning while sitting> in a car with his girlfriend. He left a young child (daughter I> believe).> Mike Haught sent me the news.... yeah, it was najai. too bad. the fights are legitimate professional fights and they are sanctioned (so the results go on their record). that was the risk that some of these undefeated fighters had to take. RVD.
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Guest 16 March 2005 17:19:14 [ permanent link ]
	Well as of the last show, they stated in the little snippet in the commercials after the credits rolled, that a LOSER is coming back & the groups get to choose. This is Burnett's Survivor idea........
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Durell R Wambolt 24 May 2005 19:23:42 [ permanent link ]
	Does anyone know where I can watch the undercard online? Thanks in advance
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Durell R Wambolt 24 May 2005 19:36:31 [ permanent link ]
	I found it! http://contender.tv.yahoo.com/01/index.html "Durell R Wambolt" <expugilist@rogers.com> wrote in message news:VsydnbJ0xrhj2w7fRVn-sw@rogers.com...> Does anyone know where I can watch the undercard online?> Thanks in advance>
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