Sunday, 9 March 2008
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| Re: Favorite Mike Tyson quote Dan L 08:58:50 |
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"umo" <shoreke@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"White folks called me a rapist and a recluse. I'm not a recluse." -Mike Tyson
I'm sure his quote didn't end at that, the media is scum.
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| Peter stops Maskaev in 6th to win WBC Heavyweight title Ginny Gerrin 08:56:38 |
| | http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news;_ylt=AnKBIBrwD_4JWcfsZz1OL4KUxLYF?slug=ap-maskaev-peter&prov=ap&type=lgns
Samuel Peter stops Oleg Maskaev in 6th for WBC heavyweight title
By GREG BEACHAM, AP Sports Writer
CANCUN, Mexico (AP) The Nigerian Nightmare finally achieved his
sweetest dream.
Samuel Peter stopped Oleg Maskaev in the final seconds of the sixth
round Saturday night, claiming Maskaev s WBC heavyweight title with
one last flurry of powerful punches.
Peter (30-1, 23 KOs) was more powerful and more poised than the
39-year-old champion in front of a lively sellout crowd at Plaza de
Toros, Cancun s bullfighting ring and the unlikely site of this
boxing-mad nation s first heavyweight title fight.
The four major heavyweight titles have been dispersed among several
relatively unknown Eastern Europeans in recent years, but now an
African has joined them albeit an African who lives and trains in Las
Vegas.
Peter has been one of the heavyweight division s top prospects for
years, with fight fans loving his pure power and sometimes reckless
style. Though he still lacks some technique, he finally has a belt and
a shot at bigger fights even an eventual rematch with IBF champion
Wladimir Klitschko, the only man to beat him.
Boxing s erstwhile glamour division also should get a boost from a
competitive, engaging fight just two weeks after Klitschko s dull
decision over Sultan Ibragimov in Madison Square Garden. Maskaev and
Peter both rocked each other with tremendous punches in the third
round, and Peter eventually showed the power that made him a champion.
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| Hagler-Mugabi Paul Dalrymple 06:34:40 |
| | I noticed the recent thread about MWs & the subject
of "The Beast"-Hagler came up. Must be a coincidence-
instead of a live card, Versus is airing a special, "Legends
of the Ring", tonight at 9ET- and the main event is Hagler-
Mugabi!
It's a 2-hour program. So I'm betting they show the entire
bout. ;)
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Saturday, 8 March 2008
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| Re: Do housecats know anything about boxing? Skinnysteve 14:35:53 |
| | On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 19:13:51 -0800 (PST), "Ronald 'More-More' Moshki"
<sector_four@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mar 6, 9:40pm, InTheNeighborhood <yougotlucky...@yahoo.com> wrote: Cats are great athletes, learn to box courtesy the ghost of Cleveland "Big Cat" Williams. that orange tabby has a pawing left jab
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Thursday, 6 March 2008
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| FS: 1985 Topps "Rocky 4" 11-Card Sticker Puzzle Set J.R. Sinclair 16:38:44 |
| | 1985 Topps "Rocky 4" 11-Card Sticker Puzzle Set
I have for sale the 1985 Topps "Rocky 4" 11-Card Sticker Puzzle Set. The
puzzle feature a boxing scenes from the motion picture Rocky 4 starring
Syvester Stallone, Dolph Lundgren, and Carl Weathers. The Puzzle back when
completed features a 7" x 12 1/2" color photo of Rocky, in the ring, with
the American Flag draped over his shoulder in victory.
The 1985 Topps "Rocky 4" 11-Card Sticker Puzzle Set is in MINT condition.
Price $5. US plus postage
Please include your "postal mailing address" so I can calculate postage
costs to your destination. Thank you
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Wednesday, 5 March 2008
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| Re: OK, losing to you hurts... Ruddell 22:24:33 |
| | On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 23:21:40 -0600, STRATEGY wrote
(in article
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Dennis: Got it yesterday; thanks.
Hell, I was more worried about the postal service than losing the bet. Oh
well, at least it made the trip 
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Tuesday, 4 March 2008
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| Maskaev / Peter Broozin 08:59:30 |
| | How many times do we have to be disapointed by Sam Peter and surprised by
Oleg Maskaev to figure out that Oleg will win a decision when they meet next
week. You heard it here first (at least from me). Maskaev wins and I for
one won't be surprised. Surely I can't be the only one who believes this.
Who else out there jumped of the Sam Peter bus? Its a sad state of affairs
indeed that this is a Heavyweight title fight.
Broozin
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Sunday, 2 March 2008
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| Re: Marquez vs. Vasquez Broozin 20:25:00 |
| | I like Vasquez in this one. He's just relentless. Maybe a little less
skilled than Marquez but he seems a little more willing to do what ever it
takes.
Broozin
"STRATEGY" <Strategy510@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Why no discussion? Is it because we prefer to talk about what we don't like vs. what's good in boxing? I'm going with Marquez, I think he might've been just a bit overconfident going into the 2nd fight and believe he will fight better defesively this time around and be more patient. This definitelly is a toss-up, though. The real winner will be us, the viewers. As much as I'm a big fan of Vasquez and Pacquiau, I would LOVE to see both brothers win this month, that would be awesome. STRATEGY
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Friday, 29 February 2008
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| Re: How would Ali do today? Dan L 16:06:59 |
| | I think Ali against michael J Fox is a pickem fight.
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| Re: "Former Soviet" domination of the Heavyweight division won't
last much longer Tim Howard 12:36:10 |
| | The Sanity Cruzer wrote:
"Tim Howard" <tim.howard@suddenlink.net> wrote in message news:47c3cfed$0$4074$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net... "Tim Howard" <tim.howard@suddenlink.net> wrote in message news:47c25380$0$4048$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net... You made some statements which, IMO, are unfounded. Okay so I assume you think you know who are the heavyweights that are going to dominate things in the coming years. Lets here it. I'm not the person who made the unfounded statements. That was your doing. Regardless, I have no inclination that things will be different for US HW's in the near future. You can't say my statement is unfounded unless you are willing to make your own case for comparison. You make a statement. You back it up. That's not my job.
I gave my reasons. Show me why I am wrong or concede the argument.
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Thursday, 28 February 2008
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| Re: Pavlik-Taylor Aubrey 23:39:01 |
| | You must be kidding. The Marvelous one, in his prime, would stomp Pavlik
(and I'm a Pavlik fan), but no one could come close to Hagler in terms of
tenacity, power, and yes, downright meanness. Including Sugar Ray, had they
met in their primes.
"danstearns" <daniel_anthony_stearns@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 14, 6:53 am, pmfan57 <jwrag...@aol.com> wrote: On Feb 12, 4:49 pm, danstearns <daniel_anthony_stea...@yahoo.com> On Feb 12, 4:45 pm, "The Sanity Cruzer" <sanitycru...@comcast.net> "mwhaught" <mwhau...@excite.com> wrote in message news:8bd985xp0l.ln2@recgroups.com... On Feb 12 2008 1:03 PM, The Sanity Cruzer wrote: There are a lot of questions I have about the rematch between which won't be answered, to my satisfaction, until they meet again ring. Amongst the questions I have are: Did Taylor train hard for their first bout or did he take Pavlik My guess is, he trained hard, but he's got to think he didn't enough, so he can mentally believe that this time around he'll be IMO, the doubt will really be there should Taylor hit Pavlik with a punch and not put him away. That old, "Here we go again", might Taylor's psyche real quickly. He seemed in shape. Some of Taylor's adjustments to the 2nd Hopkins were positive. But not as positive as I would have liked to have seems some doubt creeps in when things go against him a bit. Doubt dictate his actions as much as his physical skills. With the second round knockdown of Pavlik, how much will Taylor's a determining factor in the rematch? Pavlik did not seem deterred his having been knocked down. Both know that Pavlik can be hurt and come back. Taylor has to to himself. Again, doubt may dictate his actions as much as his With his having been kayoed by Pavlik, how much will that weigh on I've got to think it will determine Taylor's fight plan and have sticking and moving to the best of his ability. I just wonder if been kayoed will make it so Taylor can finally follow a fight plan When it is in the second half of the fight, and Taylor is a little and he gets hit with a good shot...I'd say the plan goes out the Yeah, he tired in his first bout with Hopkins. I don't recall the that well nor the Wright bout. Against Hopkins, Taylor was the youthful athlete. Against Pavlik, Taylor might be the more natural but Pavlik seems to be strong, determined and willing to do what it win. It will be interesting to see if Taylor can use his possibly athleticism to prevent Pavlik from doing what he does well. It's almost a double edged sword for Taylor. IMO, he'll want to move in this bout, yet he's going to have to do something to deter Pavlik, might require that he sit-down on his punches, which would be done by moving so much. He might have a "damned if I do and damned if I thought in the back of his mind. Taylor's confidence for this bout a big factor, IMO, and who knows if Pavlik will have the same hunger before. He says he does, but don't they all before a title defense? How much has the recently acquired adulation of Pavlik, by his impacted his training and his keeping sharp, both mentally and This is the one about which I have no clue. I don't think all of distractions can help Pavlik. I wonder if he went up in weight added fat) more than usual after his win over Taylor. Will the for this bout be as helpful for Pavlik as it will be for Taylor, expect to not have had to suffer as much to make 166 as he used to had to make 160. Then again, I've seen fighters move up in weight still have the same weight making difficulties. It's sort of like with money problems; they don't tend to disappear with additional Will Taylor and/or Pavlik simply put on more weight after their knowing that they had a 6 lb. cushion this time? A few things to wonder about. How long has the party been? How has arms healed from the window glass accident? How focused has he been training (You can be there and NOT be there while preparing the I'm guessing that Pavlik will not let himself have a letdown and be ready as he was for the first one. Of course I am one of his Ohio I might be biased. This should be an interesting bout, especially before the first If Taylor is mentally damaged from the KO, it likely will end a rounds sooner. If not so damaged, I think a couple of rounds later Taylor's a little tired. I think Pavlik will get him out early I will not be surprised if all or most of the bout is dominated by fighter. If Taylor is to win, he will, IMO, have to either stop early or out-box Pavlik all night. OTOH, Taylor might fight scared Pavlik might simply walk him down and stop him once he catches up Taylor. I think Taylor will try and keep his distance for as long as can. How long he can do that will, IMO, determine who wins the bout.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - Unconditional belief in Pavlik's right cross There are few things casual and serious boxing fans agree about. In January, casual fans helped Roy Jones and Felix Trinidad pull off a box office surprise. Serious fans, meanwhile, think that if Jones and Trinidad split $20 million, Israel Vazquez and Rafael Marquez deserve that much, each, for their March rubber match. After a May 5 tune-up, Oscar de la Hoya expects casual fans to rally for his September rematch with Floyd Mayweather. Casual fans probably will deliver "even half of what our first fight made" to Oscar and Floyd. The missing half of pay-per-view buys, though, will come from serious fans - who are somewhere between uninterested and resentful about Mayweather-De la Hoya II. But if there's one thing casual and serious fans can agree on, it's a Las Vegas superfight for the undisputed middleweight championship of the world - even if it doesn't involve middleweights. Saturday night at MGM Grand, Kelly Pavlik and Jermain Taylor will make a highly anticipated rematch of their September fight for the middleweight title. If that sentence looks a bit awkward, blame the fighters' handlers. Specifically, blame whichever handler stipulated the rematch had to happen at 166 pounds. Pavlik-Taylor II will not be for the middleweight title. Pavlik will remain champ regardless of the fight's outcome. But that should dissuade no one who's considering purchasing the fight. This will be the one rematch in 2008 that you should pay $50 to see. Last week, Taylor and Pavlik conducted pre-fight conference calls. There were no stirring revelations, of course. About the only thing we learned was something we already knew: Pavlik and Taylor are both good, hard-working guys. Sports would be wealthier if we had more But among the calls' non-stirring revelations was this: Jermain Taylor is in the best shape of his life. Sounds familiar. We heard the same thing before Taylor's last fight - when trainer Manny Steward moved camp from Arkansas to the Poconos. Truth is, we hear this before every fight from every fighter - well, save Hector Camacho Jr. If someone's conditioning is less than optimal, we'll not hear about it till afterward. Look, even James Toney, about to fight 50 pounds over his prime weight, promised us Taylor surely believes he is in the best shape of his life. Taylor surely believed he was in the best shape of his life in September. Taylor's conditioning really isn't the point, though. The point is that Taylor thinks his conditioning is the point. Like most gifted athletes, Taylor supposes that if he's fit, natural ability will take care of the rest. Conditioning is important in boxing, sure. But at the championship level, it's also a given. Conditioning wasn't the decisive factor for Taylor against Pavlik in In Round 2, Taylor had Pavlik in real trouble. He also had about 90 seconds to land a final blow. There has never been a champion whose stamina was ruined by 90 seconds of punching. And Taylor's wasn't. The problem for Taylor was technique. Instead of hurling hooks like a maniac, he needed to throw an uppercut or two. From the corner, Steward pleaded with Taylor to do just that. But Taylor, under a spell of his own aggressiveness, may not even have heard Steward. For the rematch, then, Taylor has dropped Steward, reunited with his old coach and done more roadwork. It's as if Taylor thinks his failure the first time wasn't with winging hooks in the second round but with not winging them in the third. There were two reasons Taylor didn't imperil Pavlik again after Round 2 in their first fight. But they weren't Steward and stamina. They were Pavlik's left jab and Pavlik's right cross. From the beginning, Pavlik jabbed Taylor effectively. And before Taylor attributes his knockout loss to fatigue, he should remember than even while both fighters were fresh, he got hit by Pavlik's right cross - the middleweight division's most devastating punch. That was the fight's biggest surprise. Tall, gangly and slow, Pavlik was never supposed to find Taylor in the opening rounds. There's an interesting thing about Pavlik's punches, though: They arrive sooner It's a calculation every fighter does in the opening moments of a bout. He measures an opponent's height, reach and shoulder width. He plugs this data into an algorithm and determines how long he'll have from the moment he knows a punch is thrown till the punch actually arrives. But against Pavlik, opponents' calculations tend to be wrong. That's because of the late movement Pavlik's right cross has. It's Hey Dan. Nice to hear from you again. Taylor is a talented fighter and might win. But I don't think Pavlik will make the bonehead moves again that he did to get himself in trouble in round 2 of their first fight. It will take a concerted effort for Taylor to hurt Pavlik this time. But it's not out of the realm of possibility. Both will be stronger and anything can happen with big guys that can punch. Hi there joe. well, i guess the rematch didn't turn out exactly as i imagined, but i have to admit that I'm somewhat shocked at all the negative connotations various commentators and whatnot are heaping on Kelly Pavlik for being "simplistic, or one-dimensional". I mean effective is what it is, and it really doesn't need too many additional qualifiers or caveats! So yes, all things considered, Pavlik is what he is, and no...that's not Floyd Mayweather....but until somebody stands in there and exposes THAT to THEIR advantage, this guy is to my mind a monster. While I agree wholeheartedly with many of the criticisms of Jermain Taylor over his middleweight championship days , as I'm sure you also know this guy is no slouch! and Pavlik, the "robotic, one-dimensional predictable guy" just outpointed the Olympic pedigreed Taylor at his very best boxing mode simply because Pavlik has the stamina and wherewithal to outwill and outwork almost anybody--that, and the fact that he's a huge middleweight even compared to huge middleweights. FWIW, I had this fight very close, but still saw Pavlik outworking and outwanting it more than Taylor...but hey, let's let both these guys go fight somebody else now, and I bet they're both going to look a lot better for it too! I also just wanted to mention that Taylor really seems to me to be one of the classiest guys in the sport, and Pavlik too for that matter. Some of my favorite fighters from the past were so heroic in victory only to turn embarrassingly sour and unrealistic when their number eventually got punched (Chavez comes right to mind). /pavlik's a lot of fun to watch, enjoy him while he's here. daniel
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| Is this a good idea? Ruddell 23:35:31 |
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I've always been an Oscar fan but should he carry on with these ambitions?
http://tinyurl.com/377kke
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| Re: Tito NO, Winky YES Dan L 00:57:45 |
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"Ivan Weiss" <ivan.weiss@centurytel.net> wrote in message
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"The Sanity Cruzer" <sanitycruzer@comcast.net> wrote in message news:BPqdnUPSB7ZL1lnanZ2dnUVZ_oSunZ2d@comcast.com... "SkippyPB" <swiegand@nospam.neo.rr.com> wrote in message news:6ag8s3h9nor2ggfn7cilcc93h56glnpdft@4ax.com... Yeah, it is just a big payday for Pavlik assuming it is held at Madison Square Garden where Duddy has a huge following and the fight is really made. But, Pavlik is due a "tune up" after two wars against Then call it a non-title bout, the way it used to be done. Better yet, -- Ha! Fat chance! If they did that, they'd get fewer buys -- ivan
Winky has no power, 12 rounds of boring boxing is what he provides.
Rather see Pavlik fight guys with a bit of a punch, makes for more
excitement.
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Tuesday, 5 February 2008
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| FS: 1986 Monte Gum WWF (Pro-Wrestling) Muhammad Ali Single J.R. Sinclair 12:44:16 |
| | 1986 Monte Gum WWF (Pro-Wrestling) Muhammad Ali Single
I have for sale the 1986 Monte Gum WWF Muhammad Ali Single in MINT
condition. The card features Muhammad Ali with Hulk Hogan.
Price $10. US plus postage
Please include your "postal mailing address" so I can calculate postage
costs to your destination. Thank you
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| Who gets HBO INDEMAND? X L 08:41:02 |
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Would you check if the Pavlik-Taylor 2 countdown show is there now
before
it airs on the 9th this month. hbo indemand had the 1st countdown show
on their program list early last year. just curious if they did it
again. im also asking because i no longer get the indemand channel.. and
maybe somebody who does could upload the special for download? another
indemand channel also had the special early. but i can't recall it.
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