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Re: Need a Power Tool to Polish/Wax the Gelcoat
Jds 7 May 2006 16:14:09
	sorry, but an orbital polisher will not restore the dull gelcoat. they are just what they say they are, polishers, not buffers. get a good variable speed buffer, makita, dewalt, or equivalant. a job like this requires several steps and you can do them all with a buffer, you just change the pads. depending on just how oxidized it is , you may get by with a polishing pad, usually yellow in color, and some fine compound. if not yo need some coarser compound and a cutting pad. once the oxidation is gone, just switch to a foam polishing pad and a good wax. apply the wax by hand and hit it with the foam pad. if you really want to get sexy, put a good glaze on top of the wax and put your sunglasses on, you'll need em. i just did a friends 20 foot boat last weekend, and as jim so rightly says, there aint no easy way to do it unless you pay someone else. took us both all day and 2 12 pax of pepsi, but it is purdy. best regards, j.d.
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Rce 7 May 2006 15:03:45 [ permanent link ]
	"jds" <jds_14@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:enk7g.2393$AB3.285@fed1read02...> sorry, but an orbital polisher will not restore the dull gelcoat. they are > just what they say they are, polishers, not buffers. get a good variable > speed buffer, makita, dewalt, or equivalant.> a job like this requires several steps and you can do them all with a > buffer, you just change the pads. depending on just how oxidized it is , > you may get by with a polishing pad, usually yellow in color, and some > fine compound. if not yo need some coarser compound and a cutting pad. > once the oxidation is gone, just switch to a foam polishing pad and a good > wax. apply the wax by hand and hit it with the foam pad. if you really > want to get sexy, put a good glaze on top of the wax and put your > sunglasses on, you'll need em.> i just did a friends 20 foot boat last weekend, and as jim so rightly > says, there aint no easy way to do it unless you pay someone else. took us > both all day and 2 12 pax of pepsi, but it is purdy. best regards, j.d.> A word of caution. An aggressive buffer combined with compound - even fine - can easily burn right through the gelcoat if you are not careful. The gelcoat is thin on most boats, like the thickness of a dime or less. Any thicker and it would be prone to excessive cracking. RCE
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Reginald P. Smithers 7 May 2006 16:14:09 [ permanent link ]
	RCE wrote:> "jds" <jds_14@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:enk7g.2393$AB3.285@fed1read02...>> sorry, but an orbital polisher will not restore the dull gelcoat. they are >> just what they say they are, polishers, not buffers. get a good variable >> speed buffer, makita, dewalt, or equivalant.>> a job like this requires several steps and you can do them all with a >> buffer, you just change the pads. depending on just how oxidized it is , >> you may get by with a polishing pad, usually yellow in color, and some >> fine compound. if not yo need some coarser compound and a cutting pad. >> once the oxidation is gone, just switch to a foam polishing pad and a good >> wax. apply the wax by hand and hit it with the foam pad. if you really >> want to get sexy, put a good glaze on top of the wax and put your >> sunglasses on, you'll need em.>> i just did a friends 20 foot boat last weekend, and as jim so rightly >> says, there aint no easy way to do it unless you pay someone else. took us >> both all day and 2 12 pax of pepsi, but it is purdy. best regards, j.d.>> A word of caution. An aggressive buffer combined with compound - even fine - > can easily burn right through the gelcoat if you are not careful. The > gelcoat is thin on most boats, like the thickness of a dime or less. Any > thicker and it would be prone to excessive cracking.> RCE > Buffing a car/boat is not for the average person. It is best left to the experts. -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it.
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JIMinFL 7 May 2006 16:22:23 [ permanent link ]
	"Reginald P. Smithers" <MyStory@Sticking2It.com> wrote in message news:YI2dneLilJgVecDZRVn-rg@comcast.com...> RCE wrote:>> "jds" <jds_14@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:enk7g.2393$AB3.285@fed1read02...>>> sorry, but an orbital polisher will not restore the dull gelcoat. they >>> are just what they say they are, polishers, not buffers. get a good >>> variable speed buffer, makita, dewalt, or equivalant.>>> a job like this requires several steps and you can do them all with a >>> buffer, you just change the pads. depending on just how oxidized it is , >>> you may get by with a polishing pad, usually yellow in color, and some >>> fine compound. if not yo need some coarser compound and a cutting pad. >>> once the oxidation is gone, just switch to a foam polishing pad and a >>> good wax. apply the wax by hand and hit it with the foam pad. if you >>> really want to get sexy, put a good glaze on top of the wax and put your >>> sunglasses on, you'll need em.>>> i just did a friends 20 foot boat last weekend, and as jim so rightly >>> says, there aint no easy way to do it unless you pay someone else. took >>> us both all day and 2 12 pax of pepsi, but it is purdy. best regards, >>> j.d.>>> A word of caution. An aggressive buffer combined with compound - even >> fine - can easily burn right through the gelcoat if you are not careful. >> The gelcoat is thin on most boats, like the thickness of a dime or less. >> Any thicker and it would be prone to excessive cracking.>> Buffing a car/boat is not for the average person. It is best left to the > experts.> -- > Reggie> That's my story and I am sticking to it. Interesting comment Reginald. Would you care to share your definition of an "average person"?
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Reginald P. Smithers 7 May 2006 16:50:13 [ permanent link ]
	JIMinFL wrote:> "Reginald P. Smithers" <MyStory@Sticking2It.com> wrote in message > news:YI2dneLilJgVecDZRVn-rg@comcast.com...>> RCE wrote:>>> "jds" <jds_14@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:enk7g.2393$AB3.285@fed1read02...>>>> sorry, but an orbital polisher will not restore the dull gelcoat. they >>>> are just what they say they are, polishers, not buffers. get a good >>>> variable speed buffer, makita, dewalt, or equivalant.>>>> a job like this requires several steps and you can do them all with a >>>> buffer, you just change the pads. depending on just how oxidized it is , >>>> you may get by with a polishing pad, usually yellow in color, and some >>>> fine compound. if not yo need some coarser compound and a cutting pad. >>>> once the oxidation is gone, just switch to a foam polishing pad and a >>>> good wax. apply the wax by hand and hit it with the foam pad. if you >>>> really want to get sexy, put a good glaze on top of the wax and put your >>>> sunglasses on, you'll need em.>>>> i just did a friends 20 foot boat last weekend, and as jim so rightly >>>> says, there aint no easy way to do it unless you pay someone else. took >>>> us both all day and 2 12 pax of pepsi, but it is purdy. best regards, >>>> j.d.>>>> A word of caution. An aggressive buffer combined with compound - even >>> fine - can easily burn right through the gelcoat if you are not careful. >>> The gelcoat is thin on most boats, like the thickness of a dime or less. >>> Any thicker and it would be prone to excessive cracking.>>> Buffing a car/boat is not for the average person. It is best left to the >> experts.>> -- >> Reggie>> That's my story and I am sticking to it.> Interesting comment Reginald. Would you care to share your definition of an > "average person"? > FlaJim, Feel free to call me Reggie. By "average person", I mean someone who has not been shown how to correctly use a buffer, the different buffer pads and the different compounds. It is very easy to burn through the clear coat or the gel coat or just have a car that is full of obvious swirl marks. A buffer used incorrectly can cause more problems then it solves. http://www.automotivedetailing.com/assets/articles_htm/baffled_buffers.htm -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it.
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JIMinFL 7 May 2006 17:37:00 [ permanent link ]
	"Reginald P. Smithers" <MyStory@Sticking2It.com> wrote in message news:X7ydnQwLBZxjccDZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@comcast.com...> JIMinFL wrote:>> "Reginald P. Smithers" <MyStory@Sticking2It.com> wrote in message >> news:YI2dneLilJgVecDZRVn-rg@comcast.com...>>> RCE wrote:>>>> "jds" <jds_14@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:enk7g.2393$AB3.285@fed1read02...>>>>> sorry, but an orbital polisher will not restore the dull gelcoat. they >>>>> are just what they say they are, polishers, not buffers. get a good >>>>> variable speed buffer, makita, dewalt, or equivalant.>>>>> a job like this requires several steps and you can do them all with a >>>>> buffer, you just change the pads. depending on just how oxidized it is >>>>> , you may get by with a polishing pad, usually yellow in color, and >>>>> some fine compound. if not yo need some coarser compound and a cutting >>>>> pad. once the oxidation is gone, just switch to a foam polishing pad >>>>> and a good wax. apply the wax by hand and hit it with the foam pad. if >>>>> you really want to get sexy, put a good glaze on top of the wax and >>>>> put your sunglasses on, you'll need em.>>>>> i just did a friends 20 foot boat last weekend, and as jim so rightly >>>>> says, there aint no easy way to do it unless you pay someone else. >>>>> took us both all day and 2 12 pax of pepsi, but it is purdy. best >>>>> regards, j.d.>>>>> A word of caution. An aggressive buffer combined with compound - even >>>> fine - can easily burn right through the gelcoat if you are not >>>> careful. The gelcoat is thin on most boats, like the thickness of a >>>> dime or less. Any thicker and it would be prone to excessive cracking.>>>> Buffing a car/boat is not for the average person. It is best left to >>> the experts.>>> -- >>> Reggie>>> That's my story and I am sticking to it.>> Interesting comment Reginald. Would you care to share your definition of >> an "average person"?> FlaJim,> Feel free to call me Reggie.> By "average person", I mean someone who has not been shown how to > correctly use a buffer, the different buffer pads and the different > compounds. It is very easy to burn through the clear coat or the gel coat > or just have a car that is full of obvious swirl marks.> A buffer used incorrectly can cause more problems then it solves.> http://www.automotivedetailing.com/assets/articles_htm/baffled_buffers.htm> -- > Reggie> That's my story and I am sticking to it. Now I get it. When you say average, you really mean inexperienced.
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JimH 7 May 2006 17:46:28 [ permanent link ]
	"JIMinFL" <jiminfl@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:0Km7g.6331$DT5.2330@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...> "Reginald P. Smithers" <MyStory@Sticking2It.com> wrote in message > news:X7ydnQwLBZxjccDZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@comcast.com...>> JIMinFL wrote:>>> "Reginald P. Smithers" <MyStory@Sticking2It.com> wrote in message >>> news:YI2dneLilJgVecDZRVn-rg@comcast.com...>>>> RCE wrote:>>>>> "jds" <jds_14@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:enk7g.2393$AB3.285@fed1read02...>>>>>> sorry, but an orbital polisher will not restore the dull gelcoat. >>>>>> they are just what they say they are, polishers, not buffers. get a >>>>>> good variable speed buffer, makita, dewalt, or equivalant.>>>>>> a job like this requires several steps and you can do them all with a >>>>>> buffer, you just change the pads. depending on just how oxidized it >>>>>> is , you may get by with a polishing pad, usually yellow in color, >>>>>> and some fine compound. if not yo need some coarser compound and a >>>>>> cutting pad. once the oxidation is gone, just switch to a foam >>>>>> polishing pad and a good wax. apply the wax by hand and hit it with >>>>>> the foam pad. if you really want to get sexy, put a good glaze on top >>>>>> of the wax and put your sunglasses on, you'll need em.>>>>>> i just did a friends 20 foot boat last weekend, and as jim so rightly >>>>>> says, there aint no easy way to do it unless you pay someone else. >>>>>> took us both all day and 2 12 pax of pepsi, but it is purdy. best >>>>>> regards, j.d.>>>>>> A word of caution. An aggressive buffer combined with compound - even >>>>> fine - can easily burn right through the gelcoat if you are not >>>>> careful. The gelcoat is thin on most boats, like the thickness of a >>>>> dime or less. Any thicker and it would be prone to excessive cracking.>>>>> Buffing a car/boat is not for the average person. It is best left to >>>> the experts.>>>> -- >>>> Reggie>>>> That's my story and I am sticking to it.>>> Interesting comment Reginald. Would you care to share your definition of >>> an "average person"?>> FlaJim,>> Feel free to call me Reggie.>> By "average person", I mean someone who has not been shown how to >> correctly use a buffer, the different buffer pads and the different >> compounds. It is very easy to burn through the clear coat or the gel >> coat or just have a car that is full of obvious swirl marks.>> A buffer used incorrectly can cause more problems then it solves.>> http://www.automotivedetailing.com/assets/articles_htm/baffled_buffers.htm>> -- >> Reggie>> That's my story and I am sticking to it.> Now I get it. When you say average, you really mean inexperienced.> Telling folks that they are not capable of polishing or buffing their boat or car is doing them a disservice IMO. All you have to do is buy the PC 7424 random-orbit polisher/buffer talked about in this thread and read the directions. Even the inexperienced can use it safely.
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Reginald P. Smithers 7 May 2006 18:19:28 [ permanent link ]
	JimH wrote:> "JIMinFL" <jiminfl@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:0Km7g.6331$DT5.2330@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...>> "Reginald P. Smithers" <MyStory@Sticking2It.com> wrote in message >> news:X7ydnQwLBZxjccDZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@comcast.com...>>> JIMinFL wrote:>>>> "Reginald P. Smithers" <MyStory@Sticking2It.com> wrote in message >>>> news:YI2dneLilJgVecDZRVn-rg@comcast.com...>>>>> RCE wrote:>>>>>> "jds" <jds_14@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:enk7g.2393$AB3.285@fed1read02...>>>>>>> sorry, but an orbital polisher will not restore the dull gelcoat. >>>>>>> they are just what they say they are, polishers, not buffers. get a >>>>>>> good variable speed buffer, makita, dewalt, or equivalant.>>>>>>> a job like this requires several steps and you can do them all with a >>>>>>> buffer, you just change the pads. depending on just how oxidized it >>>>>>> is , you may get by with a polishing pad, usually yellow in color, >>>>>>> and some fine compound. if not yo need some coarser compound and a >>>>>>> cutting pad. once the oxidation is gone, just switch to a foam >>>>>>> polishing pad and a good wax. apply the wax by hand and hit it with >>>>>>> the foam pad. if you really want to get sexy, put a good glaze on top >>>>>>> of the wax and put your sunglasses on, you'll need em.>>>>>>> i just did a friends 20 foot boat last weekend, and as jim so rightly >>>>>>> says, there aint no easy way to do it unless you pay someone else. >>>>>>> took us both all day and 2 12 pax of pepsi, but it is purdy. best >>>>>>> regards, j.d.>>>>>>> A word of caution. An aggressive buffer combined with compound - even >>>>>> fine - can easily burn right through the gelcoat if you are not >>>>>> careful. The gelcoat is thin on most boats, like the thickness of a >>>>>> dime or less. Any thicker and it would be prone to excessive cracking.>>>>>> Buffing a car/boat is not for the average person. It is best left to >>>>> the experts.>>>>> -- >>>>> Reggie>>>>> That's my story and I am sticking to it.>>>> Interesting comment Reginald. Would you care to share your definition of >>>> an "average person"?>>> FlaJim,>>> Feel free to call me Reggie.>>> By "average person", I mean someone who has not been shown how to >>> correctly use a buffer, the different buffer pads and the different >>> compounds. It is very easy to burn through the clear coat or the gel >>> coat or just have a car that is full of obvious swirl marks.>>> A buffer used incorrectly can cause more problems then it solves.>>> http://www.automotivedetailing.com/assets/articles_htm/baffled_buffers.htm>>> -- >>> Reggie>>> That's my story and I am sticking to it.>> Now I get it. When you say average, you really mean inexperienced.>> Telling folks that they are not capable of polishing or buffing their boat > or car is doing them a disservice IMO.> All you have to do is buy the PC 7424 random-orbit polisher/buffer talked > about in this thread and read the directions. Even the inexperienced can > use it safely.> JimH, If you read the thread you would see JiminFla was not talking about a random orbit polisher/buffer. He was discussing a high speed circular buffer. There is a big difference between the two. If you also read the thread, you would see that no one was "Telling folks that they are not capable of polishing or buffing their boat". The average person can make the same mistake you did and can not tell the difference between a high speed buffer, and a relatively slow speed random orbit buffer. I appreciate you highlighting this. Two people did recommend that anyone using a circular high speed buffer should be extremely careful or they can destroy a car or boat finish. -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it.
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Reginald P. Smithers 7 May 2006 18:29:53 [ permanent link ]
	JIMinFL wrote:> "Reginald P. Smithers" <MyStory@Sticking2It.com> wrote in message > news:X7ydnQwLBZxjccDZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@comcast.com...>> JIMinFL wrote:>>> "Reginald P. Smithers" <MyStory@Sticking2It.com> wrote in message >>> news:YI2dneLilJgVecDZRVn-rg@comcast.com...>>>> RCE wrote:>>>>> "jds" <jds_14@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:enk7g.2393$AB3.285@fed1read02...>>>>>> sorry, but an orbital polisher will not restore the dull gelcoat. they >>>>>> are just what they say they are, polishers, not buffers. get a good >>>>>> variable speed buffer, makita, dewalt, or equivalant.>>>>>> a job like this requires several steps and you can do them all with a >>>>>> buffer, you just change the pads. depending on just how oxidized it is >>>>>> , you may get by with a polishing pad, usually yellow in color, and >>>>>> some fine compound. if not yo need some coarser compound and a cutting >>>>>> pad. once the oxidation is gone, just switch to a foam polishing pad >>>>>> and a good wax. apply the wax by hand and hit it with the foam pad. if >>>>>> you really want to get sexy, put a good glaze on top of the wax and >>>>>> put your sunglasses on, you'll need em.>>>>>> i just did a friends 20 foot boat last weekend, and as jim so rightly >>>>>> says, there aint no easy way to do it unless you pay someone else. >>>>>> took us both all day and 2 12 pax of pepsi, but it is purdy. best >>>>>> regards, j.d.>>>>>> A word of caution. An aggressive buffer combined with compound - even >>>>> fine - can easily burn right through the gelcoat if you are not >>>>> careful. The gelcoat is thin on most boats, like the thickness of a >>>>> dime or less. Any thicker and it would be prone to excessive cracking.>>>>> Buffing a car/boat is not for the average person. It is best left to >>>> the experts.>>>> -- >>>> Reggie>>>> That's my story and I am sticking to it.>>> Interesting comment Reginald. Would you care to share your definition of >>> an "average person"?>> FlaJim,>> Feel free to call me Reggie.>> By "average person", I mean someone who has not been shown how to >> correctly use a buffer, the different buffer pads and the different >> compounds. It is very easy to burn through the clear coat or the gel coat >> or just have a car that is full of obvious swirl marks.>> A buffer used incorrectly can cause more problems then it solves.>> http://www.automotivedetailing.com/assets/articles_htm/baffled_buffers.htm>> -- >> Reggie>> That's my story and I am sticking to it.> Now I get it. When you say average, you really mean inexperienced. > FlaJim, If you read JimH's response, you can see an example of someone who can not tell the difference between a high speed buffer and a random orbit buffer. Unfortunately, some people are not able to read directions or follow a thread discussion high speed buffing. -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it.
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Rce 7 May 2006 18:36:31 [ permanent link ]
	" JimH" <jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS> wrote in message news:cNydnZNAf5ihZ8DZRVn-qA@comcast.com...> "JIMinFL" <jiminfl@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:0Km7g.6331$DT5.2330@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...>> "Reginald P. Smithers" <MyStory@Sticking2It.com> wrote in message >> news:X7ydnQwLBZxjccDZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@comcast.com...>>> JIMinFL wrote:>>>> "Reginald P. Smithers" <MyStory@Sticking2It.com> wrote in message >>>> news:YI2dneLilJgVecDZRVn-rg@comcast.com...>>>>> RCE wrote:>>>>>> "jds" <jds_14@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:enk7g.2393$AB3.285@fed1read02...>>>>>>> sorry, but an orbital polisher will not restore the dull gelcoat. >>>>>>> they are just what they say they are, polishers, not buffers. get a >>>>>>> good variable speed buffer, makita, dewalt, or equivalant.>>>>>>> a job like this requires several steps and you can do them all with >>>>>>> a buffer, you just change the pads. depending on just how oxidized >>>>>>> it is , you may get by with a polishing pad, usually yellow in >>>>>>> color, and some fine compound. if not yo need some coarser compound >>>>>>> and a cutting pad. once the oxidation is gone, just switch to a foam >>>>>>> polishing pad and a good wax. apply the wax by hand and hit it with >>>>>>> the foam pad. if you really want to get sexy, put a good glaze on >>>>>>> top of the wax and put your sunglasses on, you'll need em.>>>>>>> i just did a friends 20 foot boat last weekend, and as jim so >>>>>>> rightly says, there aint no easy way to do it unless you pay someone >>>>>>> else. took us both all day and 2 12 pax of pepsi, but it is purdy. >>>>>>> best regards, j.d.>>>>>>> A word of caution. An aggressive buffer combined with compound - even >>>>>> fine - can easily burn right through the gelcoat if you are not >>>>>> careful. The gelcoat is thin on most boats, like the thickness of a >>>>>> dime or less. Any thicker and it would be prone to excessive >>>>>> cracking.>>>>>> Buffing a car/boat is not for the average person. It is best left to >>>>> the experts.>>>>> -- >>>>> Reggie>>>>> That's my story and I am sticking to it.>>>> Interesting comment Reginald. Would you care to share your definition >>>> of an "average person"?>>> FlaJim,>>> Feel free to call me Reggie.>>> By "average person", I mean someone who has not been shown how to >>> correctly use a buffer, the different buffer pads and the different >>> compounds. It is very easy to burn through the clear coat or the gel >>> coat or just have a car that is full of obvious swirl marks.>>> A buffer used incorrectly can cause more problems then it solves.>>> http://www.automotivedetailing.com/assets/articles_htm/baffled_buffers.htm>>> -- >>> Reggie>>> That's my story and I am sticking to it.>> Now I get it. When you say average, you really mean inexperienced.>> Telling folks that they are not capable of polishing or buffing their boat > or car is doing them a disservice IMO.> All you have to do is buy the PC 7424 random-orbit polisher/buffer talked > about in this thread and read the directions. Even the inexperienced can > use it safely.> JimH -- Do you bother to read a post before you respond to it or do you just type off a response based on what you think it said? RCE
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JimH 7 May 2006 18:46:40 [ permanent link ]
	" JimH" <jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS> wrote in message news:Et2dndxUY6kim8PZRVn-sg@comcast.com...> "RCE" <rce@nowhere.com> wrote in message > news:k-6dnYXMf-JpmMPZnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@giganews.com...>> " JimH" <jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS> wrote in message >> news:cNydnZNAf5ihZ8DZRVn-qA@comcast.com...>>> "JIMinFL" <jiminfl@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>> news:0Km7g.6331$DT5.2330@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...>>>> "Reginald P. Smithers" <MyStory@Sticking2It.com> wrote in message >>>> news:X7ydnQwLBZxjccDZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@comcast.com...>>>>> JIMinFL wrote:>>>>>> "Reginald P. Smithers" <MyStory@Sticking2It.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:YI2dneLilJgVecDZRVn-rg@comcast.com...>>>>>>> RCE wrote:>>>>>>>> "jds" <jds_14@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:enk7g.2393$AB3.285@fed1read02...>>>>>>>>> sorry, but an orbital polisher will not restore the dull gelcoat. >>>>>>>>> they are just what they say they are, polishers, not buffers. get >>>>>>>>> a good variable speed buffer, makita, dewalt, or equivalant.>>>>>>>>> a job like this requires several steps and you can do them all >>>>>>>>> with a buffer, you just change the pads. depending on just how >>>>>>>>> oxidized it is , you may get by with a polishing pad, usually >>>>>>>>> yellow in color, and some fine compound. if not yo need some >>>>>>>>> coarser compound and a cutting pad. once the oxidation is gone, >>>>>>>>> just switch to a foam polishing pad and a good wax. apply the wax >>>>>>>>> by hand and hit it with the foam pad. if you really want to get >>>>>>>>> sexy, put a good glaze on top of the wax and put your sunglasses >>>>>>>>> on, you'll need em.>>>>>>>>> i just did a friends 20 foot boat last weekend, and as jim so >>>>>>>>> rightly says, there aint no easy way to do it unless you pay >>>>>>>>> someone else. took us both all day and 2 12 pax of pepsi, but it >>>>>>>>> is purdy. best regards, j.d.>>>>>>>>> A word of caution. An aggressive buffer combined with compound - >>>>>>>> even fine - can easily burn right through the gelcoat if you are >>>>>>>> not careful. The gelcoat is thin on most boats, like the thickness >>>>>>>> of a dime or less. Any thicker and it would be prone to excessive >>>>>>>> cracking.>>>>>>>> Buffing a car/boat is not for the average person. It is best left >>>>>>> to the experts.>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Reggie>>>>>>> That's my story and I am sticking to it.>>>>>> Interesting comment Reginald. Would you care to share your definition >>>>>> of an "average person"?>>>>> FlaJim,>>>>> Feel free to call me Reggie.>>>>> By "average person", I mean someone who has not been shown how to >>>>> correctly use a buffer, the different buffer pads and the different >>>>> compounds. It is very easy to burn through the clear coat or the gel >>>>> coat or just have a car that is full of obvious swirl marks.>>>>> A buffer used incorrectly can cause more problems then it solves.>>>>> http://www.automotivedetailing.com/assets/articles_htm/baffled_buffers.htm>>>>> -- >>>>> Reggie>>>>> That's my story and I am sticking to it.>>>> Now I get it. When you say average, you really mean inexperienced.>>>> Telling folks that they are not capable of polishing or buffing their >>> boat or car is doing them a disservice IMO.>>> All you have to do is buy the PC 7424 random-orbit polisher/buffer >>> talked about in this thread and read the directions. Even the >>> inexperienced can use it safely.>>> JimH -->> Do you bother to read a post before you respond to it or do you just >> type off a response based on what you think it said?>> Oh, I read it OK Richard.> Did you happen to miss this statement?> "Buffing a car/boat is not for the average person. It is best left to the > experts."> That is what I was responding to. Got it?> Good.> That being said, I now have a question for you Richard: Do you bother to read a post before you respond to it or do you just type off a response based on what you think it said?
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Reginald P. Smithers 7 May 2006 18:54:54 [ permanent link ]
	JimH wrote:> " JimH" <jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS> wrote in message > news:Et2dndxUY6kim8PZRVn-sg@comcast.com...>> "RCE" <rce@nowhere.com> wrote in message >> news:k-6dnYXMf-JpmMPZnZ2dnUVZ_t6dnZ2d@giganews.com...>>> " JimH" <jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS> wrote in message >>> news:cNydnZNAf5ihZ8DZRVn-qA@comcast.com...>>>> "JIMinFL" <jiminfl@earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>> news:0Km7g.6331$DT5.2330@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...>>>>> "Reginald P. Smithers" <MyStory@Sticking2It.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:X7ydnQwLBZxjccDZnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d@comcast.com...>>>>>> JIMinFL wrote:>>>>>>> "Reginald P. Smithers" <MyStory@Sticking2It.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:YI2dneLilJgVecDZRVn-rg@comcast.com...>>>>>>>> RCE wrote:>>>>>>>>> "jds" <jds_14@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:enk7g.2393$AB3.285@fed1read02...>>>>>>>>>> sorry, but an orbital polisher will not restore the dull gelcoat. >>>>>>>>>> they are just what they say they are, polishers, not buffers. get >>>>>>>>>> a good variable speed buffer, makita, dewalt, or equivalant.>>>>>>>>>> a job like this requires several steps and you can do them all >>>>>>>>>> with a buffer, you just change the pads. depending on just how >>>>>>>>>> oxidized it is , you may get by with a polishing pad, usually >>>>>>>>>> yellow in color, and some fine compound. if not yo need some >>>>>>>>>> coarser compound and a cutting pad. once the oxidation is gone, >>>>>>>>>> just switch to a foam polishing pad and a good wax. apply the wax >>>>>>>>>> by hand and hit it with the foam pad. if you really want to get >>>>>>>>>> sexy, put a good glaze on top of the wax and put your sunglasses >>>>>>>>>> on, you'll need em.>>>>>>>>>> i just did a friends 20 foot boat last weekend, and as jim so >>>>>>>>>> rightly says, there aint no easy way to do it unless you pay >>>>>>>>>> someone else. took us both all day and 2 12 pax of pepsi, but it >>>>>>>>>> is purdy. best regards, j.d.>>>>>>>>>> A word of caution. An aggressive buffer combined with compound - >>>>>>>>> even fine - can easily burn right through the gelcoat if you are >>>>>>>>> not careful. The gelcoat is thin on most boats, like the thickness >>>>>>>>> of a dime or less. Any thicker and it would be prone to excessive >>>>>>>>> cracking.>>>>>>>>> Buffing a car/boat is not for the average person. It is best left >>>>>>>> to the experts.>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Reggie>>>>>>>> That's my story and I am sticking to it.>>>>>>> Interesting comment Reginald. Would you care to share your definition >>>>>>> of an "average person"?>>>>>> FlaJim,>>>>>> Feel free to call me Reggie.>>>>>> By "average person", I mean someone who has not been shown how to >>>>>> correctly use a buffer, the different buffer pads and the different >>>>>> compounds. It is very easy to burn through the clear coat or the gel >>>>>> coat or just have a car that is full of obvious swirl marks.>>>>>> A buffer used incorrectly can cause more problems then it solves.>>>>>> http://www.automotivedetailing.com/assets/articles_htm/baffled_buffers.htm>>>>>> -- >>>>>> Reggie>>>>>> That's my story and I am sticking to it.>>>>> Now I get it. When you say average, you really mean inexperienced.>>>>> Telling folks that they are not capable of polishing or buffing their >>>> boat or car is doing them a disservice IMO.>>>> All you have to do is buy the PC 7424 random-orbit polisher/buffer >>>> talked about in this thread and read the directions. Even the >>>> inexperienced can use it safely.>>>> JimH -->>> Do you bother to read a post before you respond to it or do you just >>> type off a response based on what you think it said?>>> Oh, I read it OK Richard.>> Did you happen to miss this statement?>> "Buffing a car/boat is not for the average person. It is best left to the >> experts.">> That is what I was responding to. Got it?>> Good.>> That being said, I now have a question for you Richard: Do you bother to > read a post before you respond to it or do you just type off a response > based on what you think it said?> JimH, The conversation was not in reference to the average person using wax or polish or using a random orbit polishing, it was in reference to someone who would pick up a high speed circular buffing machine and use it like a random orbit buffer. You inability to follow the thread highlighted the dangers of someone thinking they know what they are doing, without bothering to read about the machine, the pads and the compounds. -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it.
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JohnH 8 May 2006 00:40:20 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 07 May 2006 10:29:53 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers" <MyStory@Sticking2It.com> wrote: If you read JimH's response, you can see an example of someone who can >not tell the difference between a high speed buffer and a random orbit >buffer. Unfortunately, some people are not able to read directions or >follow a thread discussion high speed buffing. Good point. -- 'Til next time, John H **************************************** * Have a Spectacular Day! * ****************************************
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JimH 8 May 2006 01:02:13 [ permanent link ]
	"JohnH" <jherring1@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:loms52pouegm20pkvl5dpmqopdu9kbtd41@4ax.com...> On Sun, 07 May 2006 10:29:53 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers"> <MyStory@Sticking2It.com> wrote:> If you read JimH's response, you can see an example of someone who can>>not tell the difference between a high speed buffer and a random orbit>>buffer. Unfortunately, some people are not able to read directions or>>follow a thread discussion high speed buffing.> Good point.> --> 'Til next time,> John H> ****************************************> * Have a Spectacular Day! *> **************************************** Sorry guys but the thread was not about high speed buffing. It was about buffing. Nice try though.
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JimH 8 May 2006 01:19:50 [ permanent link ]
	"JohnH" <jherring1@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:loms52pouegm20pkvl5dpmqopdu9kbtd41@4ax.com...> On Sun, 07 May 2006 10:29:53 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers"> <MyStory@Sticking2It.com> wrote:> If you read JimH's response, you can see an example of someone who can>>not tell the difference between a high speed buffer and a random orbit>>buffer. Unfortunately, some people are not able to read directions or>>follow a thread discussion high speed buffing.> Good point.> --> 'Til next time,> John H> ****************************************> * Have a Spectacular Day! *> **************************************** Funny thing isn't it: Just before I leave to wash and wax the boat and read several posts where 2 folks try to pick a fight with me. I come back from working on the boat and I read a new post by yet another person trying to pick a fight with me. And yet I am the one being accused of starting fights and pissing contests. Way to funny!
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Reginald P. Smithers 8 May 2006 02:09:43 [ permanent link ]
	JimH wrote:> "JohnH" <jherring1@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:loms52pouegm20pkvl5dpmqopdu9kbtd41@4ax.com...>> On Sun, 07 May 2006 10:29:53 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers">> <MyStory@Sticking2It.com> wrote:>> If you read JimH's response, you can see an example of someone who can>>> not tell the difference between a high speed buffer and a random orbit>>> buffer. Unfortunately, some people are not able to read directions or>>> follow a thread discussion high speed buffing.>> Good point.>> -->> 'Til next time,>> John H>> ****************************************>> * Have a Spectacular Day! *>> ***************************************> Sorry guys but the thread was not about high speed* buffing. It was about > buffing.> Nice try though. > You may not have been talking about high speed circular buffing, but that is what JiminFla, RCE and I were talking about. That being the case, I can understand why you were confused. -- Reggie That's my story and I am sticking to it.
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JohnH 8 May 2006 04:02:07 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 07 May 2006 18:09:43 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers" <MyStory@Sticking2It.com> wrote: JimH wrote:>> "JohnH" <jherring1@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:loms52pouegm20pkvl5dpmqopdu9kbtd41@4ax.com...>>> On Sun, 07 May 2006 10:29:53 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers">>> <MyStory@Sticking2It.com> wrote:>>> If you read JimH's response, you can see an example of someone who can>>>> not tell the difference between a high speed buffer and a random orbit>>>> buffer. Unfortunately, some people are not able to read directions or>>>> follow a thread discussion high speed buffing.>>> Good point.>>> -->>> 'Til next time,>>> John H>>> ****************************************>>> * Have a Spectacular Day! *>>> ***************************************>> Sorry guys but the thread was not about high speed* buffing. It was about >> buffing.>> Nice try though. >> You may not have been talking about high speed circular buffing, but >that is what JiminFla, RCE and I were talking about. That being the >case, I can understand why you were confused. It is kind of nice to see JimH apologizing before being shown the error of his ways! -- 'Til next time, John H **************************************** * Have a Spectacular Day! * ****************************************
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JohnH 8 May 2006 04:02:54 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 7 May 2006 17:19:50 -0400, " JimH" <jimh_osudad@yahooDOT comREMOVETHIS> wrote: "JohnH" <jherring1@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:loms52pouegm20pkvl5dpmqopdu9kbtd41@4ax.com...>> On Sun, 07 May 2006 10:29:53 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers">> <MyStory@Sticking2It.com> wrote:>> If you read JimH's response, you can see an example of someone who can>>>not tell the difference between a high speed buffer and a random orbit>>>buffer. Unfortunately, some people are not able to read directions or>>>follow a thread discussion high speed buffing.>> Good point.>> -->> 'Til next time,>> John H>> ****************************************>> * Have a Spectacular Day! *>> ***************************************> Funny thing isn't it: Just before I leave to wash and wax the boat and read >several posts where 2 folks try to pick a fight with me.> I come back from working on the boat and I read a new post by yet another >person trying to pick a fight with me.> And yet I* am the one being accused of starting fights and pissing >contests.> Way to funny! > Whose two posts did you read? No one's looking for a fight with you. -- 'Til next time, John H **************************************** * Have a Spectacular Day! * ****************************************
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JimH 8 May 2006 04:51:33 [ permanent link ]
	"JohnH" <jherring1@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ik2t52tn9jbl66htgl1t8g54vp2pdqhicm@4ax.com...> On Sun, 7 May 2006 17:19:50 -0400, " JimH" <jimh_osudad@yahooDOT> comREMOVETHIS> wrote:> "JohnH" <jherring1@yahoo.com> wrote in message>>news:loms52pouegm20pkvl5dpmqopdu9kbtd41@4ax.com...>>> On Sun, 07 May 2006 10:29:53 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers">>> <MyStory@Sticking2It.com> wrote:>>> If you read JimH's response, you can see an example of someone who can>>>>not tell the difference between a high speed buffer and a random orbit>>>>buffer. Unfortunately, some people are not able to read directions or>>>>follow a thread discussion high speed buffing.>>> Good point.>>> -->>> 'Til next time,>>> John H>>> ****************************************>>> * Have a Spectacular Day! *>>> ***************************************>> Funny thing isn't it: Just before I leave to wash and wax the boat and >>read>>several posts where 2 folks try to pick a fight with me.>> I come back from working on the boat and I read a new post by yet another>>person trying to pick a fight with me.>> And yet I* am the one being accused of starting fights and pissing>>contests.>> Way to funny! >> Whose two posts did you read? No one's looking for a fight with you.> --> 'Til next time,> John H> ****************************************> * Have a Spectacular Day! *> **************************************** ROTF!!
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JimH 8 May 2006 04:52:33 [ permanent link ]
	"JohnH" <jherring1@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:5i2t529jusmi1mqpopuj03000991oc0aj0@4ax.com...> On Sun, 07 May 2006 18:09:43 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers"> <MyStory@Sticking2It.com> wrote:> JimH wrote:>>> "JohnH" <jherring1@yahoo.com> wrote in message>>> news:loms52pouegm20pkvl5dpmqopdu9kbtd41@4ax.com...>>>> On Sun, 07 May 2006 10:29:53 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers">>>> <MyStory@Sticking2It.com> wrote:>>>> If you read JimH's response, you can see an example of someone who can>>>>> not tell the difference between a high speed buffer and a random orbit>>>>> buffer. Unfortunately, some people are not able to read directions or>>>>> follow a thread discussion high speed buffing.>>>> Good point.>>>> -->>>> 'Til next time,>>>> John H>>>> ****************************************>>>> * Have a Spectacular Day! *>>>> ***************************************>>> Sorry guys but the thread was not about high speed* buffing. It was >>> about>>> buffing.>>> Nice try though.>>> You may not have been talking about high speed circular buffing, but>>that is what JiminFla, RCE and I were talking about. That being the>>case, I can understand why you were confused.> It is kind of nice to see JimH apologizing before being shown the error> of his ways!> --> 'Til next time,> John H> ****************************************> * Have a Spectacular Day! *> **************************************** Trying to start yet another pissing contest John? Sorry, but I won't play your silly game. Have a nice evening.
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