Got a friend looking for a good small trailer sailboat. What's best in the 21 to 23 range? For instance, Catalina has made a gazillion C22's. Must say something for them, altho some say they're not the best sailers. So what is this groups opinion as the best? Gordon
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On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:36:54 -0700, "Gordon" <zumachg@tscnet.com> said:
What's best in the>21 to 23 range? For instance, Catalina has made a gazillion C22's. Must say>something for them, altho some say they're not the best sailers.> So what is this groups opinion as the best?
"Gordon" wrote:>What's best in the 21 to 23 range?
Depends on your definition of "best". You want fast? Pointing ability? Easy maintenance? Shallow draft? Lots of cabin space? Lots of cockpit space? Status? Low cost? Bullet proof hull? Everybody has different priorities and definitions of "best".
Catalina has made a gazillion C22's. Must say>something for them, altho some say they're not the best sailers.
Depends on your definition of "best". C22s are fun little boats and they sail "nicely" for all but a few serious racers and some armchair sailors/critics. I owned one and have regretted selling it many times. They're inexpensive, low maintenance, and have a good owner's network. Racing as a class, everybody's in the same boat (pun intended) as far as pointing ability and speed.
Anyhow, I could say the same for quite a few other boats as well. Just depends.
Thats really helpful - what exactly would compel you to waste your time posting that ?
Gordon:
In my opinion (which is what you asked for) ALL Catalinas (up until the past few years which I cant comment on because I have not sailed them) , are mediocre sailers at best. They are not the worst (Buccaneer, Reinell), and they are not the best. They are however generally well built and seem to last a long time.
Cal 20's were probably one of the most popular boats EVER in that size range in my neck of the woods - personally, i dont like them, they are very small inside, but they do sail reasonably well (slightly better i would say than the catalina).
If u want new - hunter makes some trailerables , in paricular a 25 that is quite a nice boat. Again, hunter not known for tremendous sailing characteristics, but they perform probably better than the older cals and catalinas. Catalina also makes some 22-25's 'new' as well, that probably are about the same as the hunter for performance. The fact is the newer boats, even the ones that arent as 'racy' designs, are still better sailers than the older ones, just due to the technology advances.
In our area, the MacGregor is amazingly popular trailerable boat - I had a friend who owned one and despite the fact that I wanted to hate it - it was actually not so bad... Not the best sailor in the world, but certainly wasnt as bad as I thought it was going to be. Its 26 feet though and pretty big when towing - but it is quite light.
On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:36:54 -0700, "Gordon" <zumachg@tscnet.com> wrote:
Got a friend looking for a good small trailer sailboat. What's best in the>21 to 23 range? For instance, Catalina has made a gazillion C22's. Must say>something for them, altho some say they're not the best sailers.> So what is this groups opinion as the best?> Gordon
Gordon wrote:> Got a friend looking for a good small trailer sailboat. What's best in the> 21 to 23 range? For instance, Catalina has made a gazillion C22's. Must say> something for them, altho some say they're not the best sailers.> So what is this groups opinion as the best?
Best in what respect?
The Catalina 22 is the most numerous, so buying one of those validates your choice as a consumer.
Another popular choice is a West Wight Potter 19, smaller than what you state but as roomy as most 22 footers and easier to trailer. Very stable too, which is a good quality in a small boat.
The U.S. 21 (later sold as a Pearson Triton 21) is a mini sled, lift keel speedster, not many around though. Another similar is the Holder 20. If you want a boat that's easier to find and don't mind a higher price tag, the Ultimate 20 is more modern and probably faster yet.
If you like tradition, you might like a Cornish Crabber flush-deck gaff cutter; or a Bay Hen gaff sharpie. Both are fun boats with a lot of appeal.
The best starting point is probably to check the trailering weight capacity of your tow vehicle.
Below is a partial list of possibilities. There have probably been over a thousand types of 20 to 22 foot trailerable sailboats produced & marketed.
Fresh Breezes- Doug King
Seaward Fox Farr 6000 Mirage 5.5 Etap 20 (6.05) Ensenada 20 Kent Ranger Sovereign 20 Balboa 20 Sun Fast 20 Southwind 21 Skipper 20 Skimmer 20 Chrysler 20 COM-PAC 19XL Windrose 20 Nimble Vagabond Holder 20 Harpoon 6.2 Cal 21 San Juan 21 Precision 21 Islander 21 Nimble 20 Buccaneer 210 Clipper Marine 21 Ultimate 20 Bay Hen 21 Venture 21 Victory 21 SR 21 Hunter 212 Aquarius 21 Balboa 21 American 21 Beneteau First 210 AMF 2100 Mistral 21 Halman 21 Sirius 21/22 HOBIE 21 Muskeget 21 US 21 Santana 21 Spirit 21 Spirit 6.5 Sun Way 21 South Coast 21 Noelex 22 Dovekie Lindenberg 22 Windrose 22 CS 22 Laguna 22 Gloucester 22 Dehler 22 Sea Pearl 21 Freedom 21 Seafarer 22 Beneteau First 235 CHRYSLER 22 O'Day 222 Edel 665 O'DAY 22 D & M 22 Maine Cat 22 Rocket 22 South Coast 22 Lark (Pearson) Venture 222 Sailors Haven 22 Merit 22 Venture/MacGregor 22 Cal 22 Schock 22 S2 6.7 S2 6.9 CAPRI 22 Buccaneer 220 US 22 Helsen 22 Starwind 22 Rhodes 22 Eagle Falmouth Cutter 22 Kells 23 Starwind 223 Hunter 22 TANZER 22
On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 18:00:21 GMT, "Coz" <coz@coz.notreal.com> said:
Thats really helpful - what exactly would compel you to waste your time >posting that ?
Precisely for the reasons indicated at the beginning of all the follow-up posts but yours. It's impossible to provide a meaningful answer to what's "best" without knowing what the OP is looking for in a boat. The OP is looking for a rifle shot, and all anyone, including you, can give him is a huge burst of birdshot. (Tempted to use two other syllables beginning with B and S, but won't.)
DSK wrote: snip...> Below is a partial list of possibilities. There have probably been over > a thousand types of 20 to 22 foot trailerable sailboats produced & > marketed.>
Got a friend looking for a good small trailer sailboat. >
Halman or Nordica look quite nice
Those boats are starting to get a little heavy for frequent trailering. That is...unless the buyer has a big 4 wheel drive. Even my Sandpiper 565 at 1200 lbs + outboard + trailer is heavy for my mini-van.
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:59:38 GMT, Don White <whited@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
prodigal1 wrote:>> Gordon wrote:>>
Got a friend looking for a good small trailer sailboat. >>
Halman or Nordica look quite nice>
Those boats are starting to get a little heavy for frequent trailering.>That is...unless the buyer has a big 4 wheel drive.>Even my Sandpiper 565 at 1200 lbs + outboard + trailer is heavy for my >mini-van.
Want something light and unusual? Check out a Dovekie. 21 feet, 600 pounds. You can even go camping with it, and it can also be rowed! A relative of mine has one, and it is kind of cool in it's own bizarre way.
Got a friend looking for a good small trailer sailboat. >
Okay, I'll jump in again. Check out the Shark. 24 ft. Hinterholler > design. Freakin' stinkin' fast and if made in the Hinterhoeller shop, > built like tanks. Can be used as a light cruising boat -no stnading > headroom , or as a giant killer in your local racing fleet.
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 18:50:52 -0400, prodigal1 <prodig@l.com> wrote:
Gordon wrote:>> Got a friend looking for a good small trailer sailboat. >
Okay, I'll jump in again. Check out the Shark. 24 ft. Hinterholler >design. Freakin' stinkin' fast and if made in the Hinterhoeller shop, >built like tanks. Can be used as a light cruising boat -no stnading >headroom , or as a giant killer in your local racing fleet.
Great boats! I used to race on one.
Still, you should keep in mind that they are slugs in light wind, and that the fixed keel makes them difficult to ramp launch.
They are great sailing fun, but they wouldn't be my first cruising choice...
"Whistledown" wrote:>There is an A W E S O M>E 28' trailerable trimarine. If I ever unload my current boat I'd try>to score one of those. For the life of me I can't remember the name of>them. . . . anybody else know what I'm talking about? The hulls fold>up to get towed.
Among other models, Corsair builds a 28, Is that what you're thinking of?
I really love the nimble vagabond(w/o sail) and I even found one and was on my way to buy it but the jerk sold it to sum other guy. what other boats are similar to the vagabond as far as size and layout and pupose. I want to hop the keys. please help. thanx daniel
