Monday, 20 October 2008
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| Re: Bronze maintenance Daniele Fua 23:05:55 |
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Wrap it up and send it to me! Great suggestion! If you send me your checking account coordinates I will make an electronic transfer for being so kind to accept the toilet...
Apart from jokes, I am surprised that nobody has given me some suggestion on how to treat bronze. Frankly, I am not familiar with it and I am sure that people in this NG could be of great help. What I would like to know if there are special tricks to clean a bronze surface an keep it shiny. Is it possible to coat it with transparent epoxy, for example? Is a primer required? Should I have the surface sanded? The item will be under deck, no UV but with salty water running inside and occasionally seeping out. I wonder if I could epoxy coat also the inner parts like the cylinder of the pump.
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| Cheoy Lee ? Shannon ? Robert11 16:27:06 |
| | Hi,
Been away from "boats" for a while, so this is probably a dumb question.
Are Cheoy Lee Yachts still in business ?
How about Shannon ?
Tried a Google search for both, but came up empty for anything recent.
Thanks, Bob
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| When considering responding to Wilbur, Bob, et. al. Skip Gundlach 02:39:03 |
| | Before commenting, please recite: Grant me the serenity to ignore the trolls, the courage to debate with honest opponents, and the wisdom to know the difference.
L8R
Skip
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| Blakes toilet Daniele Fua 01:46:40 |
| | I have a beautiful classic Blakes toilet in very good working condition but fair exterior appearance. It is all made of marine grade bronze and originally mostly painted and partly chrome plated. I am presently brushing all the paint off and wondering what to do next. 1) paint again with... what? 2) have everything chrome plated. 3) clean well and leave the bronze as it is. 3) coat the cleaned bronze with a transparent coating. Which one?
Personally I would choose not to paint it in white again but all kind of advices are very welcome.
Daniel
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Sunday, 19 October 2008
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| multi-hulls and the Great Lakes Wordsmith 17:18:14 |
| | I'm looking online at Pivers, SeaRunners etc. I've seen a couple of Dragonflys on the Lakes. How do people with experience feel about tris on the Great Lakes? Would you? I'm wondering how it would go with the kind of steep, short period waves we get...Comments?
-- if it was easy, everyone would do it
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| Your retirement savings are gone Nomen Nescio 16:12:24 |
| | Your retirement savings are gone.
Your RV is worthless.
Government spending is sheer lunacy.
The day of reckoning is coming.
You're about to receive the bill from "the greatest generation"!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: Zac news Guest 03:57:08 |
| | On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:16:47 -0400, "Roger Long" <strider@maine.rr.com> wrote:
Broke his tiller and then his boom. Otherwise, doing fine. Don't bother commenting, Neal, it's pretty clear after the posts of the past couple of days that the yellow boat never made it past the breakwater. Oh, but Neal could tell you all about how he fixed HIS boom! It's a comedy classic!
The prelude: He broke his boom by trying to convert to mid boom sheeting.
The repair included several lengths of water pipe jammed inside to join the two halves. The boom has a decided banana shape to it - in addition to all the other deficits associated with heavy, rusting steel pipes inside an aluminum boom in a salt and water environment.
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Saturday, 18 October 2008
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| How to Load a Boat Onto A Pickup Truck Roger Long 17:36:02 |
| | How to Load a Boat Onto A Pickup Truck
1. Load beer in truck, load boat on trailer 2. Hook trailer up to truck, drink beer 3. Drink beer, drive real fast 4. Select utility pole (one that's bolted to a cement base) 5. Hit utility pole at high speed 6. Boat will load itself onto truck (illustration link)
http://files.openomy.com/public/RLMA/Load.jpg
-- Roger Long
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| Re: crash boom bucks! Dumb question Keith nuttle 14:17:35 |
| | Roger Long wrote:
Oh, I like this! Quoting the man who wrote a book titled "Mine's bigger than yours.", ""right-of-way" doesn't apply when one of the vessels is restricted by sheer size." That's not in any rules I ever read. If MF was in a channel and unable to change course then he would have a defense. OTOH, if the smaller vessel tacked into a right of way position before MF could reasonably respond, which is somewhat a size issue, than she was not actually the stand on vessel. I hope those of you on the west coast will keep us updated on this. Based on the fact that the MF is a square rigged boat, it appears that based on the set of the sails the wind is coming from the rear on the port beam or about 220 to 230 degrees from the bow. In the pictures it looks like the smaller boat is tacking into the wind on a tight reach.
If so from a simple boat to boat rules the smaller boat has the right of way. Thing change when considering the size, channel, etc.
Is my wind analysis wrong?
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| Re: Garmin 182C problem - help!! Wayne . B 12:37:36 |
| | On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:25:34 -0700 (PDT), tweeny90655@mypacks.net wrote:
Somehow my original display of the screen with the map function and the data is only map function now. How do I get my data back? Can't find nuthin' in my owner's manual. Thanks. See page 6, "To Select Optional Feature":
http://www8.garmin.com/manuals/GPSMAP182_182C_OwnersManual.pdf
On any given page, select the "Menu" key to display options; select with the pointing device; press the "Enter" key.
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| Nylon vs brass vs bronze vs Marelon (was) Re: Miami Passage - Day 7 - October 14 Skip Gundlach 05:55:29 |
| | "Roger Long" <strider@maine.rr.com> wrote in message news:gd4mum$ori$1@registered.motzarella.org...
"Michael Porter" <mporter@mp-marine.com> wrote But watch brass (as opposed to bronze) fittings carefully -- athey subject to turn into red dust in salt water. Just keep a close I'll more than second that. Since this is a raw water line and operated at elevated temperaturs due to being in a cooling circut, it absolutely should not be brass. Even though it won't sink the boat if it breaks, water rising in the bilge could be a dangerous distraction in a difficult situation. The breakage would also be accompanied by exhaust leaking into the interior of the boat. You won't be able to keep a close enough eye on the interior of the fitting where the problems will be. Even if this is just a seldom used overflow that seldom sees salt water, it's still exposed to exhaust gas on the other engine cooling water. This is the place to invest in bronze. Brass should only be used in F.W. and fuel lines. -- Roger Long Well, you'll all be thrilled and comforted :{)) that today I bought another nylon fitting, as there were no bronze or Marelon fittings available. Next on the boat chores list is to replace the entire hose to which the leaky fitting fed, as it's getting old, at the same time as I replace the fitting. No pressure on it, but I have plenty of fuel hose, which is the same size, and as I'll route it so as to have no side pressure on it (as was the case in the broken fitting), I expect that will last the life of the boat as we own it, since I speculate what was there was original :{))
Meanwhile, I spent two hours on the silty bottom of the Frederica River today, after spending about 5 hours in the other Angel's boat doing hoses, rescuing an anchor and setting up a mooring, from the first Angel's couple-year ago loss by fouling on a huge lead cylinder with 6 INCH chain on it. Every bit of it by feel, as there was ZERO vis, even only ~10' down. More boat work in the first one tomorrow, and then I'll deal with my own boat's 1-2-3's (small daily chores)...
-- L8R
Skip
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| wanting sort of rec.boats.marketplace Evan Chrismon 01:29:47 |
| | James wrote on 17 Oct 2008 21:31:58 GMT:
Who can slip another presidential call? http://accommodate.dostii.net
-- What does Hussein evolve so nowhere, whenever Ismat challenges the injured host very inquisitively?
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Friday, 17 October 2008
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| Let's get rid of NMEA Poit 20:06:01 |
| | I would like to see the community come up with an open standard that would kill off NMEA. It could stay purely ascii, be bi-directional, easy to use, no binary mumbo-jumbo. It could be extensible like XML. Best of all it would be free for everyone including manufacturers. ---- Posted via Pronews.com - Premium Corporate Usenet News Provider ---- http://www.pronews.com offers corporate packages that have access to 100,000+ newsgroups
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| Some pix Skip Gundlach 06:43:47 |
| | Lydia's experimenting with Picasa. She's put up a few pix of the passage to Charleston...
http://picasaweb.google.com/lafell/SandyHookPassageSouth100108101708#
-- L8R
Skip
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| Miami Passage - Day 6, completed - October 12 Skip Gundlach 02:00:06 |
| | Miami Passage - Day 6, completed - October 12
When we left you, we were rolling up to the City Marina, about 7 hours into our 6th day, to take on some fuel in Charleston, having burned 51 hours worth, which worked out to 71 gallons. Not our idea of fun financially, but it got us around Hatteras in the weather window we wanted, which was to say entirely benign, belieing the usual terror that passage induces in experienced cruisers and sailors contemplating it. Once clear of Hatteras, we worked entirely on the wind we had to get here, as seen in my prior postings. Now that we're here, and enjoying the citywide free wifi, Lydia's experimenting with Picasa. She's put up a few pix of the passage to Charleston...
http://picasaweb.google.com/lafell/SandyHookPassageSouth100108100708#
We enjoyed being tied to the dock, where the security guy who rolled up in his golf cart as we approached and were tying off said it would be fine to do that, but definitely didn't expect the blindsiding hourly charge they laid on us when I went to pay for the fuel, especially the one where the fuel guys, despite our having been logged in for being there exclusively to fuel, didn't show up on our end of the dock until half an hour after opening, and then spent more than an hour fueling a big sportfish which landed just after us, but made us pay for that time, too.
Our friend Larry, one of our Angels, happened to have breakfast the next day with a city councilman who was unaware of the practices of the City-owned marina, and was apoplectic about it. Perhaps that will change in the future. With nearly all of the face dock empty, and our departure immediately after fueling, we certainly didn't induce any extra cost to the operation.
Larry's take on the City Marina is that they - and the city - ought to be encouraging, by whatever means, folks to come spend money which benefits the city, including making it easy for them to do that. Charging what amounted to a 50 cent premium for diesel fuel (the sportfish who took on over 2000 gallons made their hourly dockage incidental) just for tying up and having to wait until they got around to us didn't warm the cockles of my heart.
We anchored out in an area just inside the confluence of the Ashley River and the Wapoo Creek, which minimizes the tidal influence on us, allowing us to swing more to the wind, and we've loved being out here. During our time in Charleston, Larry has helped us by resolving a problem with our wind instrument, trying to troubleshoot some inverter-induced problems, and generally acting as taxi driver and tour guide as we muddle through various purchases and returns of stuff not needed or inadequate to the task.
As I write, on Thursday night, he's looking at a couple of handheld VHF radios of ours which display some connection problems. If we could have found it (it's mysteriously not where we thought it was), he'd have also looked into what we presume to be a power supply issue on a digital tape video camera. If time allows, perhaps Saturday he'll be able to help us troubleshoot some inverter-induced noise on various electronics, and some potential connection problems with the wind instrument.
FWIW, Larry is the one who started me down the path to the very successful WiFi configuration aboard Flying Pig. He's a consummate electronics geek who enjoys buying supposedly dead, very valuable stuff, at thrift stores, and making gold out of lead.
Having come in for fuel, anyway, we took advantage of the forced landing to avoid some very nasty weather. We could have easily taken it, but, if you have to be stopped, anyway, letting it blow out, and waiting for more clement conditions made a lot of sense. The fact of all the help Larry provided is a distinct bonus. At this particular moment (Thursday, October 9, almost tomorrow), we don't really know when we'll leave, and have not even looked at the weather downstream.
We're waiting for a reply from one of our Saints which may divert our course from a nonstop to a one-stop, doing some payback in Saint Simons Island, with him and another of the Saints who also has a home and a boat there. If we make that stop, you'll hear about it in a future posting...
As I write this part, on Saturday night, we are, indeed, going to Saint Simons, so our one-jump Miami passage will be at least a 2-stopper. While we're there, I'll dive an anchor which fouled (but he buoyed off) a couple of years ago, and help him set up a mooring in that location. He may join me for the trip to Miami, with Lydia and his wife driving down together - or not, depending on circumstance, but either way, we'll enjoy the time together with them.
Saturday I did more boat chores, cleaning out the engine pan (the sub-bilge area under the engine) and installing another set of oil-absorbing mats, taking another set of hydrometer readings on our batteries (we have no dead cells and all the batteries are pretty close in range of each other, a good sign), and getting the halyards ready to hoist me to the top of the mast to manually rotate the wind vane to see what happened below.
As it turned out, while we expected to get together with Larry again, he's under the weather (lots of it around here!), and by the time I'd resecured the halyards, we saw that the wind instrument was, apparently, working properly. It's possible that the prior lighting wires were contacting the post on which the arrow turned, limiting its movement - or, it could have been my applying Corrosion Block to the connector at the base of the mast. In any case, at least for the moment, all is well with the wind instrument, and thanks to Larry's help, we can see it in the dark, as well.
Back to Larry, as it turned out, our handheld VHF radio problems were only that the rechargeable batteries are toast - they work just fine with fresh AA batteries in the other battery carrier which replaces the rechargeable. And, this morning, he scored another of his 99 cent gold-from-lead purchases at the thrift store, bringing home a multi-hundred dollar Seth Thomas Quartz Clock.
Now that he's got it home, he's looked into it and it was made in the early 70's, one of the first quartz clocks, with the ability to adjust the time in 5-second increments. He made a couple of very minor repairs and it works perfectly. He's a very happy camper, having scored a couple more of his bargains in the same trip. He's previously, in the same shop, bought a very handsome German key-wound striking clock which he quickly made work upon bringing it to his home, and countless other amazing deals. Every time he tells about one, I wish that I had access to that place, as it's clearly flabbergasting in its finds; marine gear, electronics, cameras and countless other wonders show up all the time. As a prior-life packrat, I'm envious to the level of bilious :{))
After our 1-2-3's (the boat chores), we feasted on the first of the tuna we'd put in the freezer. The winds here are building, so the grill blew out a couple of times, when I raised the lid, but relit and stayed lit once the cover was back on. Tonight (Sunday noon, as I write), we'll enjoy another feast, assuming we can keep the grill lit!
The winds at the moment are 20-25, gust to 30, but the direction is such that the land mass on which both Ashley and City Marinas are located are between us and the mainland, which makes for a relatively calm water state, given that we're only about a half mile away. Where we're anchored has a shelf/shoal where we've nestled the last few nights, as the wind was in a different direction. We presume we've been "aground" (only at dead low tide) because we don't swing, but if it's aground, it's so soft that we don't feel it, other than the somewhat-larger-than-normal list from the wind. Perhaps it's the "pluff mud" which is on the other shore - so soft that if you fall off the dock into it you're up to your waist. A very nice anchorage, with the anchor in ~20 feet of water and our usual depth being somewhat over 8-10 feet depending on where we've swung.
We went over to shore to fuel the Honda Genset and its fuel can, as well as to scrape some of the past couple of days' effluvia off ourselves in the showers, during the above mentioned blow and spitting rain showers. Refreshed, we retired to the boat to chow down on some more of the amazing tuna, but given the weather circumstances, elected to, instead of the grill, use our sautИ pan. YUM!
Tuesday morning dawned clear and relatively calm in the anchorage, and at 06:30 I got on the SSB with Chris Parker, our weather router. He said, unlike ashore, things were pretty rough outside, but subsiding steadily, to the point where there would be little wind at all on Wednesday.
So, despite it being relatively rough (large waves, fairly high winds, initially), short of driving it (you know how we hate driving instead of sailing), today is still the day to go. So, anticipating a single reef and staysail as adequate to the task, but probably shaking out the reef and putting out the genoa later, as the winds died, we prepared to get under way.
As we reflect on our time aboard Flying Pig, when we first took possession of the boat and headed out from Fort Lauderdale, the conditions were worse, so this really is of no great event, other than it's not "perfect" - and yet, if NOAA's predictions are right on, it may be, for us, "perfect" - our course of travel should make the winds a broad or beam reach, and with a reef and staysail, very comfortable level of heel. We'll see about that, of course, and update over Sailmail in a day or so.
Our shortened track, as we arrived well before a full day had elapsed, was only about 30 miles on this leg. Yet, that averaged out, including the doldrums on the way to the dock once we got up the channel, to about 5 knots. Pretty good day, all in all :{)) We'll see how day 7 pans out - it may be just a very long day...
So, as we leave you, we're heading out to Saint Simons Island. We're expecting between 24 and 36 hours of passage to the inlet, but it's another several hours up the channel and river to our anchorage as well as out to our turning point from here in the anchorage to the channel entrance in Charleston; if the weather holds, we could be at the Saint Simons Island inlet in less than a day. If you care to track us in real time, you can do so at http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?&glId=0sKGa9AJRCF45FaX5L5g6PLcZGvSb3nMe... If you're interested in the weather we're seeing, you can look at http://www.wunderground.com/MAR/AM/350.html?MR=1 and /352 and /354 (change the number before the .html for different areas), for the area we'll travel on the next leg.
Stay tuned :{))
L8R
Skip
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| Re: Blakes toilet--oops Peggie Hall 01:50:20 |
| | I meant to include a link to Blakes in my previous reply...here it is: http://www.blakes-lavac-taylors.co.uk/index.htm
Peggie Hall wrote:
Daniele Fua wrote: I have a beautiful classic Blakes toilet in very good working condition but fair exterior appearance. It is all made of marine grade bronze and originally mostly painted and partly chrome plated. I am presently brushing all the paint off and wondering what to do next. You have a real treasure! Blakes toilets are the best manual toilets in the world, designed to last at least a century if at least marginally well maintained. At today's rate of exchange, a new "Baby Blake" would run about $2000 USD...the Blake "Victory" more than $3000. So my advice is your choice #3: clean well and leave the bronze as it is. Also inspect the parts in the pump and replace what's needed. If you don't have a manual for it, you can get one from Blakes. A "spares kit" may cost you more than the price of most compact toilets, but definitely worth it! As for where to get parts if you need them, click on the "distributors" link to find a distributor in your part of the world.
-- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://shop.sailboatowners.com/boat_odors/
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Thursday, 16 October 2008
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| Wood: A manual for its use as a shipbuilding material Gogarty 18:51:25 |
| | I have here a three-volume manual about wood in shipbuilding. They were published by the US Navy Bureau of Ships in 1957, 1958 and 1962 (NAVSHIPS 250-336). They have far more information about wood, wooodworking, care of wood, storage, rot, treatment, repairs, etc., etc., etc., than anyone could possibly want to know. They are about 8 X 10 in seize and range from 62 pages to 108 pages. You can find more about them on eBay. There you will also find "Historic Ship Exhibits in the United States," a lavishly illustrated 70-page booklet published by the Navy in 1969.
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| Re: Maxsea & Raymarine S3 Corepack connection Luc Habert 17:26:20 |
| | BigAl.NZ@gmail.com :
1. Can this bi-directional setup be done with one cable? My research tells me yes, but I need it confirmed? You need four wires. Whether they are inside one cable or not does not really matter.
3. Sounds like I need to use a optical isolater, like : RS232 convert? In fact, there are direct usb<->nmea interfaces, like
http://www.actisense.com/HTML/Products/Gateways/USB to NMEA 0183 Gateway/index.php
from the same brand.
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| Re: crash boom bucks! Jere Lull 01:03:16 |
| | On 2008-10-15 00:13:39 -0400, "tsmwebb@gmail.com" <tsmwebb@gmail.com> said:
Unbelievable! No one was looking FORWARD? Did they think yelling "Starboard" would mean something?
-- Jere Lull Xan- -Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/
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| Ha ha ha! Read Skippy's Day 7 trip report. Wilbur Hubbard 00:50:11 |
| | This is how Skippy summed up his trip:
"We proceeded at flank speed, up the Saint Simons Channel, at about 8:30, and had the hook down and engine off by 10:30. We sailed the entire channel other than the anchorage, including swinging by for a close run on a beam reach so that our Angels could see us up close and get some pictures on the pier. We had a great run, covering 143 miles from anchor up to anchor down, in 23 hours. Run's the word, too, as 120 miles of that was literally a run. It was too rolly to use the pole, or we'd have gotten here quicker :{))"
We had a great run and run's the word. Didn't I tell you novices that Skippy was most likely running? Didn't I tell you that he was probably running to try to minimize the rolling that sailing with quartering seas would engender? But, noooooooooo! Did you fools listen to me? Not at all, it seems. But who is it that ended up having a correct assessment of the situation? Of, course it was I, as usual. It is due to my many years of sailing experience that I can pretty much guess what is going on when Skippy is attempting to sail offshore.
And, where is the spinnaker I wonder, yes I do? I guess the Pig doesn't have one or the crew doesn't know how to fly one? All that hassle with the flopping roll-ups could have been avoided by leaving the damned useless heavy thing rolled up and setting a spinnaker instead. The mainsail should have been sheeted in pretty much flat to act as a damper to any rolling that an ill-designed underbody would cause.
Did I not tell everybody that Skippy still has a lot to learn? Was I not correct in my assessment yet again? And not for the last time, BTW?
Wilbur Hubbard
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Wednesday, 15 October 2008
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| Re: Miami Passage - Day 7 - October 14 Skip Gundlach 17:31:48 |
| | "Bob" <freya2go@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:7216ee6a-35cf-473b-b5c5-7200f798e797@25g2000prz.googlegroups.com... On Oct 14, 7:49 am, "Skip Gundlach" <skipgundl...@gmail.com> wrote:
Miami Passage - Day 7 - October 14
Yikes! Water everywhere. Shut her down, and go in to see if I can discover the source. A cracked fitting! Dang!
.....instead of nylon, this time,
Skip
Skip
Please tell me you don't have ANY nylon fittings threaded into your engine ................
If that is your S.O.P. even AFTER your major refit..... and major crash fix..... and constant motor looking and fussing.....
Well, I let someone else comment. Bob
Nope, not into the engine. It's a bypass for the water coming from and back to the oil cooler, at the top of a hose well above the waterline; the bypass dumps into the exhaust line, also well above the waterline...
-- L8R
Skip
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