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Re: Yet Another Tragic Case......
Guest 3 December 2007 20:59:40
	On Fri, 30 Nov 07, Chuck Gould wrote: A boat capsized about five miles from shore, killing the three fishermen on board, authorities said No word on what caused the boat to capsize???
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JoeSpareBedroom 30 November 2007 21:30:45 [ permanent link ]
	<LoogyPicker@gmail.com> wrote in message news:d396adba-f18f-4a2a-a372-bbea93f8a265@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com... On Nov 30, 12:34 pm, Phant...@nospam.invalid wrote: On Fri, 30 Nov 07, Chuck Gould wrote: A boat capsized about five miles from shore, killing the three fishermen on board, authorities said No word on what caused the boat to capsize??? The usual suspects will blame it on 1. Stupidity 2. Alcohol 3. Ignorance All without any evidence of such. Not totally without evidence of #1 or #3. If NJ has been anything like upstate NY during the past week, it may've been caused by insane wind surprises, although they shouldn't have come as a surprise to anyone who checks the weather reports. At this time of year, any time we're blessed with a warm front for a day or two, it's ALWAYS followed by raucous wind as the cold front follows, and we end up with falling tree limbs & other surprises. Perhaps those guys didn't pay attention to the weather reports. I mean, something caused the boat to capsize. What theories could you suggest?
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Guest 30 November 2007 21:35:22 [ permanent link ]
	On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:15:23 -0800 (PST), LoogyPicker@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 30, 12:34 pm, Phant...@nospam.invalid wrote: On Fri, 30 Nov 07, Chuck Gould wrote: A boat capsized about five miles from shore, killing the three fishermen on board, authorities said No word on what caused the boat to capsize??? The usual suspects will blame it on 1. Stupidity 2. Alcohol 3. Ignorance All without any evidence of such. Well... They were from New Jersey!
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JoeSpareBedroom 30 November 2007 22:18:57 [ permanent link ]
	"Chuck Gould" <chuckgould.chuck@gmail.com> wrote in message news:98b13773-8f78-489f-86c6-bdbc77c075bf@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com... On Nov 30, 10:15?am, LoogyPic...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 30, 12:34 pm, Phant...@nospam.invalid wrote: On Fri, 30 Nov 07, Chuck Gould wrote: A boat capsized about five miles from shore, killing the three fishermen on board, authorities said No word on what caused the boat to capsize??? The usual suspects will blame it on 1. Stupidity 2. Alcohol 3. Ignorance All without any evidence of such. There is nothing in the story to indicate alcohol was a factor. Stupidity? Ignorance? Maybe extreme........but carelessness can be inferred from the fact that they were out in a small boat in the North Atlantic, during late November, and not a single one of them thought to put on a PFD. The jackets were apparently all aboard, just as required by the USCG... ++++++++++ Next week's news: Families of 3 fishermen suing CG, boat mfr and the Atlantic Ocean for negligence.
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Hk 30 November 2007 22:30:44 [ permanent link ]
	Chuck Gould wrote: This time it was three guys from NJ. Apparently they thought the primary purpose of having PFD aboard a small boat was to palacate the USCG in case of inspection. What a shame. Considering wives, kids, friends, coworkers, employers, employees, and family members there are maybe hundreds of people affected by each of these deaths, so it isn't entirely or solely a personal decision. We can only hope their possibly needless deaths will serve as instructional examples ************************** Boat capsizes off NJ coast, killing 3; second fatal fishing accident since Wednesday AP Posted: 2007-11-29 20:04:19 ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. (AP) - A boat capsized about five miles from shore, killing the three fishermen on board, authorities said Thursday. The 25-foot pleasure boat carrying the men was reported missing by a friend Wednesday night when they didn't return. The Coast Guard searched through the night for the men using boats, a helicopter and a plane. A helicopter crew member using night-vision goggles spotted the boat early Thursday and the bodies of Mark Stroud and Danny Pavic, both of Galloway. A salvage crew sent to recover the boat found the body of Jerry Berwick, 64, of Philadelphia, inside the cabin Thursday afternoon, the Coast Guard said. Coast Guard Spokesman Nyx Cangemi said that there were life jackets on the boat, but that the men were not wearing them. The water temperature was about 50 degrees, he said. Officials were waiting for a medical examiner to identify the body. The men launched from Oyster Creek and were headed for Little Egg Inlet, which is about 10 miles north of where their boat was found. The search follows another fishing accident Wednesday in which a 72- year-old man was killed after being trapped underneath a capsized boat in Maurice River Township. Two others survived. . Here's a local news story on the same accident: Boat capsizes off Atlantic City, killing three fishermen The waters off southern New Jersey claimed more lives, and emergency personnel recovered the bodies Thursday of three fishermen after their boat, the Knucklehead, capsized in the Atlantic Ocean. The U.S. Coast Guard retrieved the bodies of Danny Pavic, of Galloway Township, Atlantic County, and Mark Stroud, 45, of Philadelphia, from the chilly waters about 5 miles off Atlantic City shortly after 1:10 a.m. Thursday. The body of the third member of their party, Philadelphia resident Jerry Berwick, was discovered in the cabin of the Knucklehead when it was righted by a boat-towing company at the scene at about 1 p.m. Thursday. The Knucklehead was towed Thursday afternoon to Somers Point, where it was raised out of the water after being pumped dry. The discovery of the capsized Knucklehead follows a search for Pavic, Stroud and Berwick that began after friends reported at about 5:45 p.m. Wednesday that the 25-foot pleasure boat, owned by Stroud, was overdue. That report caused the Coast Guard to launch helicopters, planes and boats to look for the men and their craft. The search that turned up the Knucklehead and its three fishermen was the second search of the day by the Coast Guard - although it's unclear whether the first search actually was for the Knucklehead: Coast Guard spokesman Petty Officer Nyx Cangemi said helicopters were dispatched Wednesday morning after two boats reported hearing a distress call of, "May Day, May Day, May Day, we're going down." The distress call was made on a channel that the Coast Guard normally does not monitor, he said. Cangemi said the distress call did not include a location, and the Coast Guard used the positions of the two reporting boats as a base area for its search. The search turned up nothing, and the distress call isn't being linked to the Knucklehead, he said. He also said no other vessels were reported missing or overdue. The bodies of Pavic and Stroud were brought by boat to the Coast Guard base in Atlantic City. Atlantic County Medical Examiner Dr. Hydow Park performed autopsies Thursday afternoon. A spokeswoman for Park's office said results would be forwarded to the Coast Guard for public release. Coast Guard officials said the results more likely will be reported to the State Police Marine Services Bureau. Berwick's body was brought ashore Thursday afternoon at the Shamrock Towing yard in Somers Point. An autopsy also is planned to be performed on his body. The cause of the boat's capsizing is unknown. Coast Guard spokesman Petty Officer Christopher McLaughlin said the seas were running at about three feet and winds were blowing from the west at about five to 10 knots on Wednesday. "It wasn't like a bad weather day," he said. But McLaughlin said the water temperature was such that "you could get hypothermia pretty quick." The water temperature was about 49 degrees off the Steel Pier at noon Wednesday. Coast Guard officials said the men weren't wearing lifejackets, but had them on board the boat. Tearful members of Stroud's family, gathered in a darkened house they own on Oyster Creek in Galloway Township, provided little information: They said Stroud, Pavic and Berwick left Oyster Creek - located about 10 miles north of where the Knucklehead eventually was found - for their fishing trip at about 6:30 a.m. Wednesday. They wouldn't comment further. "We don't want publicity," said a woman who identified herself as Stroud's mother. Pavic owned the M & M Motel on Route 9 in Galloway Township. A house in front of the motel had "Closed" and "No Trespassing" signs on its door. A row of orange highway cones stopped access to the parking lot in front of the motel's rooms at the back of the property. People familiar with Pavic said he stayed to himself and had been a painting contractor for some time. To e-mail Thomas Barlas at The Press: TBarlas@pressofac.com
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Larry 1 December 2007 06:28:32 [ permanent link ]
	Chuck Gould <chuckgould.chuck@gmail.com> wrote in news:98b13773- 8f78-489f-86c6-bdbc77c075bf@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com: If the boat was still floating, upside down, Of course, we COULD force "them" to build boats that SELF-RIGHT like a monohull sailboat, couldn't we? That's not rocket science to do with a little scrap iron. Maybe if we weren't so set on making the damned boats so light and thin and cheap-as-possible with some old iron in the keel so it COULDN'T stay upside down for more than an instance...these guys and hundreds to thousands like them over the years would still be alive. Forget it. Brunswick profits is all that matters. Just look in any hull made in the last 40 years..... Larry -- Isn't it ironic that the same ISPs that are telling you you're downloads threaten their networks...... ....are testing 100Gbps TV to sell on the SAME systems? http://tinyurl.com/27qx3v
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John H . 4 December 2007 05:04:43 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:12:50 -0500, HK <payer33859@mypacks.net> wrote: thunder@TAKEOUTgti.net wrote: On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 12:46:19 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: http://blogs.consumerreports.org/cars/2007/09/motorcycle-deat.html "The fatality rates for cruiser and "standard" riders rank the lowest, at 5.7 deaths per 10,000 registered motorcycles. Touring bikes, such as the Harley example, averaged 6.5 deaths, with sport bikes totaling 10.7 deaths per 10,000." That is a higher rate than I would have thought, and considering that it is per registered motorcycle, not per mile, it is quite high. I'm guessing, but I would think that the average motorcycle only averages a couple of thousand miles per year. Evolution in action. You picked the right word to talk about how Harleys are getting better! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_engine -- John H
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John H . 4 December 2007 05:07:08 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 12:53:34 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" <rpsmithersIII@example.net> wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 14:13:22 -0500, "Eisboch" <rce@nowhere.com> wrote: There's a direct corollary to boating here. There are minority interest groups constantly trying to restrict or ban boater's right to enjoy their interests. Some are well founded, but many are simply attempts to restrict boaters because "they" don't share the same interest. Yes, and some boater offended their sensibilities in some way by running with an open exhaust or throwing a wake over their seawall, etc. I am all for freedom of boating, as long as it matches my kind of boating. Since i don't fish, I think all fishing should be restricted to 7 days a year, and all fishing boats should be taxed 50% higher than I am. This will substantially reduce our gas consumption, and will help reduce wakes and busy traffic on the weekend. To make sure all fisherman are included in the tax, I recommend we register all fishing poles. Eisboch and Wayne won't have to pay the tax, since I think their kind of boating is the preferred boating style. Whoa, what about us fishing guys that don't fish on weekends? Where's my lobbyist again? -- John H
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Guest 4 December 2007 05:15:50 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:18:36 -0800 (PST), LoogyPicker@gmail.com wrote: The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration estimates that the combination of an air bag in addition to a lap and shoulder belt reduces the risk of serious head injury by 81 percent, compared with 60 percent reduction for belts alone. Just imagine how safe it would be if you also had a helmet on. Race car drivers prove that. Helmets for all car passengers too! Where does it stop?
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Wayne . B 4 December 2007 05:39:14 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 12:59:40 -0500, HK <payer33859@mypacks.net> wrote: I wish the land cops were more aggressive in nailing litterers, and the water cops were more aggressive in nailing those damned boats with the open exhaust pipes. We agree on that. I'd like to see boat ramp managers empowered to nail noisy boats and/or prevent launching
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Reginald P. Smithers III 4 December 2007 15:39:48 [ permanent link ]
	John H. wrote: On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 12:53:34 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" <rpsmithersIII@example.net> wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 14:13:22 -0500, "Eisboch" <rce@nowhere.com> wrote: There's a direct corollary to boating here. There are minority interest groups constantly trying to restrict or ban boater's right to enjoy their interests. Some are well founded, but many are simply attempts to restrict boaters because "they" don't share the same interest. Yes, and some boater offended their sensibilities in some way by running with an open exhaust or throwing a wake over their seawall, etc. I am all for freedom of boating, as long as it matches my kind of boating. Since i don't fish, I think all fishing should be restricted to 7 days a year, and all fishing boats should be taxed 50% higher than I am. This will substantially reduce our gas consumption, and will help reduce wakes and busy traffic on the weekend. To make sure all fisherman are included in the tax, I recommend we register all fishing poles. Eisboch and Wayne won't have to pay the tax, since I think their kind of boating is the preferred boating style. Whoa, what about us fishing guys that don't fish on weekends? Where's my lobbyist again? Screw you. I don't fish, so you have to pay a excise tax. Now if you want to change your boating style into something I agree with, well we might be able to add you into the preferred boating tax schedule.
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John H . 4 December 2007 16:21:06 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 07:39:48 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" <rpsmithersIII@example.net> wrote: John H. wrote: On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 12:53:34 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III" <rpsmithersIII@example.net> wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 14:13:22 -0500, "Eisboch" <rce@nowhere.com> wrote: There's a direct corollary to boating here. There are minority interest groups constantly trying to restrict or ban boater's right to enjoy their interests. Some are well founded, but many are simply attempts to restrict boaters because "they" don't share the same interest. Yes, and some boater offended their sensibilities in some way by running with an open exhaust or throwing a wake over their seawall, etc. I am all for freedom of boating, as long as it matches my kind of boating. Since i don't fish, I think all fishing should be restricted to 7 days a year, and all fishing boats should be taxed 50% higher than I am. This will substantially reduce our gas consumption, and will help reduce wakes and busy traffic on the weekend. To make sure all fisherman are included in the tax, I recommend we register all fishing poles. Eisboch and Wayne won't have to pay the tax, since I think their kind of boating is the preferred boating style. Whoa, what about us fishing guys that don't fish on weekends? Where's my lobbyist again? Screw you. I don't fish, so you have to pay a excise tax. Now if you want to change your boating style into something I agree with, well we might be able to add you into the preferred boating tax schedule. Yo a mean-assed dude, man. -- John H
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JoeSpareBedroom 4 December 2007 16:47:33 [ permanent link ]
	<gfretwell@aol.com> wrote in message news:ovd9l355i062dktiq6ji0q4jo2tsp9q9r4@4ax.com... On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:18:36 -0800 (PST), LoogyPicker@gmail.com wrote: The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration estimates that the combination of an air bag in addition to a lap and shoulder belt reduces the risk of serious head injury by 81 percent, compared with 60 percent reduction for belts alone. Just imagine how safe it would be if you also had a helmet on. Race car drivers prove that. Helmets for all car passengers too! Where does it stop? George Carlin has the answer to your last question. If you'd like, I can email you a 4.9 mb audio file in which he explains it.
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