"rick" <stop@stop.net> wrote in message news:2xqVd.3649$L17.133@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tiNOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:wAkVd.28434$kz6.551509@news20.bellglobal.com...>>
"rick" <stop@stop.net> wrote in message >> news:HphVd.9401$MY6.5607@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...>>>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:BE4AAD86.1878C%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...>>>> in article qgbVd.1582$L17.1117@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick >>>> at>>>> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/1/05 11:27 PM:>>>>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message>>>>> news:BE4AA565.18755%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...>>>>>> in article>>>>>> vC9Vd.8777$MY6.6327@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick at>>>>>> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/1/05 9:34 PM:>>>>>>
I never made that claim,>>>>> ===========================>>>>> Yes, you did.>>>>> "...No one is waiting for treatment..." 2/20/2005 2:14pm>>>>> Complete sentence. No "and", "or", "but".>>>>
Just because it is a sentence doesn't mean it is a complete statement.>>>>
Example:>>>>
What do you mean rick is a bit of an idiot, that's not true. He's got >>>> to be>>>> the biggest idiot on the planet!>>>>
To paste only the first sentence and then claim that I don't think rick >>>> is>>>> an idiot would be just as dishonest as what you have been doing with my>>>> sentence about waiting.>>>>
Here is more of the context:>>>>
======>>>>
As many as 100 children in Newfoundland face 30-month waits for>>>>>> the>>>>>> high-tech scans, said Geoffrey Higgins, clinical chief of>>>>>> diagnostic imaging>>>>>> at the Health Care Corporation of St. John's. While the wait is>>>>>> "less than>>>>>> ideal," he said patients' conditions are being investigated and>>>>>> followed by>>>>>> other medical means, and that anyone needing an emergency scan>>>>>> gets one.>>>>>> ======================>>>>> LOL Sure, 2 years into a wait he might really NEED emegency>>>>> treatment, eh? At that time he goes right to the top of the>>>>> list. Maybe too late, eh? At the least, he has suffered more>>>>> than was medically necessary, and at worst is now beyond>>>>> treatment, or too weak to survive the treatment.>>>>>
You're telling me there aren't poor people in the US in>>>>>> isolated or slum>>>>>> areas where they have a hard time getting a scan at their>>>>>> convenience? Get>>>>>> real.>>>>>> ====================>>>>> Another strawman, I see. We aren't talking about their>>>>> 'convenience', we're talking about the convenience of the medical>>>>> systam. When that 'poor' person arrives at a medical facility in>>>>> need, then yes, I'm saying that they will not wait 2 1/2 years>>>>> for treatment.>>>>
No one is waiting for treatment.>>> ======================>>> Yes, they are. Weeks months and years. Even you have agreed to that, >>> now.>>
Nono. Stop being dishonest.>>
I never said no one in Canada is waiting for treatment.> ================> Yes, you did.
No, I didn't. I respond to your goofy claim that the people in your example were waiting 2 1/2 years for treatment when in fact they were all in current receipt of care.
Stop being such a scumbag. You owe me an apology but your are too weak and too much of coward to do it.
"KMAN" <KMAN-tiNOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OXqVd.37696$Vf6.1030669@news20.bellglobal.com...>
"rick" <stop@stop.net> wrote in message > news:2xqVd.3649$L17.133@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...>>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tiNOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:wAkVd.28434$kz6.551509@news20.bellglobal.com...>>>
"rick" <stop@stop.net> wrote in message >>> news:HphVd.9401$MY6.5607@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...>>>>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:BE4AAD86.1878C%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...>>>>> in article >>>>> qgbVd.1582$L17.1117@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick >>>>> at>>>>> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/1/05 11:27 PM:>>>>>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message>>>>>> news:BE4AA565.18755%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...>>>>>>> in article>>>>>>> vC9Vd.8777$MY6.6327@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, >>>>>>> rick at>>>>>>> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/1/05 9:34 PM:>>>>>>>
I never made that claim,>>>>>> ===========================>>>>>> Yes, you did.>>>>>> "...No one is waiting for treatment..." 2/20/2005 >>>>>> 2:14pm>>>>>> Complete sentence. No "and", "or", "but".>>>>>
Just because it is a sentence doesn't mean it is a complete >>>>> statement.>>>>>
Example:>>>>>
What do you mean rick is a bit of an idiot, that's not >>>>> true. He's got to be>>>>> the biggest idiot on the planet!>>>>>
To paste only the first sentence and then claim that I >>>>> don't think rick is>>>>> an idiot would be just as dishonest as what you have been >>>>> doing with my>>>>> sentence about waiting.>>>>>
Here is more of the context:>>>>>
======>>>>>
As many as 100 children in Newfoundland face 30-month >>>>>>> waits for>>>>>>> the>>>>>>> high-tech scans, said Geoffrey Higgins, clinical chief of>>>>>>> diagnostic imaging>>>>>>> at the Health Care Corporation of St. John's. While the >>>>>>> wait is>>>>>>> "less than>>>>>>> ideal," he said patients' conditions are being >>>>>>> investigated and>>>>>>> followed by>>>>>>> other medical means, and that anyone needing an emergency >>>>>>> scan>>>>>>> gets one.>>>>>>> ======================>>>>>> LOL Sure, 2 years into a wait he might really NEED >>>>>> emegency>>>>>> treatment, eh? At that time he goes right to the top of >>>>>> the>>>>>> list. Maybe too late, eh? At the least, he has suffered >>>>>> more>>>>>> than was medically necessary, and at worst is now beyond>>>>>> treatment, or too weak to survive the treatment.>>>>>>
You're telling me there aren't poor people in the US in>>>>>>> isolated or slum>>>>>>> areas where they have a hard time getting a scan at their>>>>>>> convenience? Get>>>>>>> real.>>>>>>> ====================>>>>>> Another strawman, I see. We aren't talking about their>>>>>> 'convenience', we're talking about the convenience of the >>>>>> medical>>>>>> systam. When that 'poor' person arrives at a medical >>>>>> facility in>>>>>> need, then yes, I'm saying that they will not wait 2 1/2 >>>>>> years>>>>>> for treatment.>>>>>
No one is waiting for treatment.>>>> ======================>>>> Yes, they are. Weeks months and years. Even you have >>>> agreed to that, now.>>>
Nono. Stop being dishonest.>>>
I never said no one in Canada is waiting for treatment.>> ================>> Yes, you did.>
No, I didn't. I respond to your goofy claim that the people in > your example were waiting 2 1/2 years for treatment when in > fact they were all in current receipt of care.>
Stop being such a scumbag. You owe me an apology but your are > too weak and too much of coward to do it.
in article HzrVd.9776$MY6.1200@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick at stop@stop.net wrote on 3/2/05 5:59 PM:
"KMAN" <KMAN-tiNOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message> news:OXqVd.37696$Vf6.1030669@news20.bellglobal.com...>>
"rick" <stop@stop.net> wrote in message>> news:2xqVd.3649$L17.133@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...>>>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tiNOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message>>> news:wAkVd.28434$kz6.551509@news20.bellglobal.com...>>>>
"rick" <stop@stop.net> wrote in message>>>> news:HphVd.9401$MY6.5607@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...>>>>>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message>>>>> news:BE4AAD86.1878C%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...>>>>>> in article >>>>>> qgbVd.1582$L17.1117@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick>>>>>> at>>>>>> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/1/05 11:27 PM:>>>>>>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message>>>>>>> news:BE4AA565.18755%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...>>>>>>>> in article>>>>>>>> vC9Vd.8777$MY6.6327@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net,>>>>>>>> rick at>>>>>>>> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/1/05 9:34 PM:>>>>>>>>
I never made that claim,>>>>>>> ===========================>>>>>>> Yes, you did.>>>>>>> "...No one is waiting for treatment..." 2/20/2005>>>>>>> 2:14pm>>>>>>> Complete sentence. No "and", "or", "but".>>>>>>
Just because it is a sentence doesn't mean it is a complete>>>>>> statement.>>>>>>
Example:>>>>>>
What do you mean rick is a bit of an idiot, that's not>>>>>> true. He's got to be>>>>>> the biggest idiot on the planet!>>>>>>
To paste only the first sentence and then claim that I>>>>>> don't think rick is>>>>>> an idiot would be just as dishonest as what you have been>>>>>> doing with my>>>>>> sentence about waiting.>>>>>>
Here is more of the context:>>>>>>
======>>>>>>
As many as 100 children in Newfoundland face 30-month>>>>>>>> waits for>>>>>>>> the>>>>>>>> high-tech scans, said Geoffrey Higgins, clinical chief of>>>>>>>> diagnostic imaging>>>>>>>> at the Health Care Corporation of St. John's. While the>>>>>>>> wait is>>>>>>>> "less than>>>>>>>> ideal," he said patients' conditions are being>>>>>>>> investigated and>>>>>>>> followed by>>>>>>>> other medical means, and that anyone needing an emergency>>>>>>>> scan>>>>>>>> gets one.>>>>>>>> ======================>>>>>>> LOL Sure, 2 years into a wait he might really NEED>>>>>>> emegency>>>>>>> treatment, eh? At that time he goes right to the top of>>>>>>> the>>>>>>> list. Maybe too late, eh? At the least, he has suffered>>>>>>> more>>>>>>> than was medically necessary, and at worst is now beyond>>>>>>> treatment, or too weak to survive the treatment.>>>>>>>
You're telling me there aren't poor people in the US in>>>>>>>> isolated or slum>>>>>>>> areas where they have a hard time getting a scan at their>>>>>>>> convenience? Get>>>>>>>> real.>>>>>>>> ====================>>>>>>> Another strawman, I see. We aren't talking about their>>>>>>> 'convenience', we're talking about the convenience of the>>>>>>> medical>>>>>>> systam. When that 'poor' person arrives at a medical>>>>>>> facility in>>>>>>> need, then yes, I'm saying that they will not wait 2 1/2>>>>>>> years>>>>>>> for treatment.>>>>>>
No one is waiting for treatment.>>>>> ======================>>>>> Yes, they are. Weeks months and years. Even you have>>>>> agreed to that, now.>>>>
Nono. Stop being dishonest.>>>>
I never said no one in Canada is waiting for treatment.>>> ================>>> Yes, you did.>>
No, I didn't. I respond to your goofy claim that the people in>> your example were waiting 2 1/2 years for treatment when in>> fact they were all in current receipt of care.>>
Stop being such a scumbag. You owe me an apology but your are>> too weak and too much of coward to do it.> ======================> Nope. Where's yours, liarman?
I responded to your allegation that the people featured in the story were waiting for treatment. They aren't. And you are a scumbag for taking my statement out of that context and trying to say that I was referring to all persons in Canada.
You owe me an apology, but you are too weak and too big of a coward to do it.
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:BE4BE41C.18835%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...> in article > HzrVd.9776$MY6.1200@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick at> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/2/05 5:59 PM:>
snip...
You're telling me there aren't poor people in the US in>>>>>>>>> isolated or slum>>>>>>>>> areas where they have a hard time getting a scan at >>>>>>>>> their>>>>>>>>> convenience? Get>>>>>>>>> real.>>>>>>>>> ====================>>>>>>>> Another strawman, I see. We aren't talking about their>>>>>>>> 'convenience', we're talking about the convenience of >>>>>>>> the>>>>>>>> medical>>>>>>>> systam. When that 'poor' person arrives at a medical>>>>>>>> facility in>>>>>>>> need, then yes, I'm saying that they will not wait 2 1/2>>>>>>>> years>>>>>>>> for treatment.>>>>>>>
No one is waiting for treatment.>>>>>> ======================>>>>>> Yes, they are. Weeks months and years. Even you have>>>>>> agreed to that, now.>>>>>
Nono. Stop being dishonest.>>>>>
I never said no one in Canada is waiting for treatment.>>>> ================>>>> Yes, you did.>>>
No, I didn't. I respond to your goofy claim that the people >>> in>>> your example were waiting 2 1/2 years for treatment when in>>> fact they were all in current receipt of care.>>>
Stop being such a scumbag. You owe me an apology but your are>>> too weak and too much of coward to do it.>> ======================>> Nope. Where's yours, liarman?>
I responded to your allegation that the people featured in the > story were> waiting for treatment. They aren't. And you are a scumbag for > taking my> statement out of that context and trying to say that I was > referring to all> persons in Canada.
===================== No, you replied that no one is waiting for treatment. liarman.
You owe me an apology, but you are too weak and too big of a > coward to do> it.
+================= No, I don't. But it seems you have forgotten about your, eh liarman. Proof that people are dying in waiting lines in Canada have been presented to you, yet you are still spewing about a lie you have already taken back. Why is that, liarman? Don't want to discuss your continued willful ignorance?>
in article xmvVd.9979$MY6.1708@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick at stop@stop.net wrote on 3/2/05 10:18 PM:
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message> news:BE4BE41C.18835%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...>> in article >> HzrVd.9776$MY6.1200@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick at>> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/2/05 5:59 PM:>>
snip...>
You're telling me there aren't poor people in the US in>>>>>>>>>> isolated or slum>>>>>>>>>> areas where they have a hard time getting a scan at>>>>>>>>>> their>>>>>>>>>> convenience? Get>>>>>>>>>> real.>>>>>>>>>> ====================>>>>>>>>> Another strawman, I see. We aren't talking about their>>>>>>>>> 'convenience', we're talking about the convenience of>>>>>>>>> the>>>>>>>>> medical>>>>>>>>> systam. When that 'poor' person arrives at a medical>>>>>>>>> facility in>>>>>>>>> need, then yes, I'm saying that they will not wait 2 1/2>>>>>>>>> years>>>>>>>>> for treatment.>>>>>>>>
No one is waiting for treatment.>>>>>>> ======================>>>>>>> Yes, they are. Weeks months and years. Even you have>>>>>>> agreed to that, now.>>>>>>
Nono. Stop being dishonest.>>>>>>
I never said no one in Canada is waiting for treatment.>>>>> ================>>>>> Yes, you did.>>>>
No, I didn't. I respond to your goofy claim that the people>>>> in>>>> your example were waiting 2 1/2 years for treatment when in>>>> fact they were all in current receipt of care.>>>>
Stop being such a scumbag. You owe me an apology but your are>>>> too weak and too much of coward to do it.>>> ======================>>> Nope. Where's yours, liarman?>>
I responded to your allegation that the people featured in the>> story were>> waiting for treatment. They aren't. And you are a scumbag for>> taking my>> statement out of that context and trying to say that I was>> referring to all>> persons in Canada.> =====================> No, you replied that no one is waiting for treatment. liarman.>
You owe me an apology, but you are too weak and too big of a>> coward to do>> it.> +=================> No, I don't. But it seems you have forgotten about your, eh> liarman. Proof that people are dying in waiting lines in Canada> have been presented to you, yet you are still spewing about a lie> you have already taken back. Why is that, liarman? Don't want> to discuss your continued willful ignorance?
What happened is you blathered on about the people in Newfoundland waiting 2 1/2 years for treatment, and I responded that they are not waiting for treatment. And they aren't. So stop being a scumbag, stop being a coward, suck it up and apologize. Or are you just too weak?
in article FmvVd.9980$MY6.8687@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick at stop@stop.net wrote on 3/2/05 10:19 PM:
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message> news:BE4BE446.18836%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...>> in article >> ABrVd.9780$MY6.7088@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick at>> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/2/05 6:01 PM:>>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tiNOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message>>> news:HcrVd.37912$Vf6.1032847@news20.bellglobal.com...>>>>
"rick" <stop@stop.net> wrote in message>>>> news:%9rVd.9747$MY6.9397@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...>>>>>
"BCITORGB" <wilf.ratzburg@gmail.com> wrote in message>>>>> news:1109783545.361528.3530@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...>>>>>> KMAN, I was pleased with the effort Tink took to get a>>>>>> handle>>>>>> on this>>>>>> situation. And, from my own perspective, I've done some>>>>>> reading about>>>>>> various systems and have at least a passing acquaintance>>>>>> with>>>>>> a variety>>>>>> of European models (I now know the difference between the>>>>>> Beveridge and>>>>>> the Bismark approaches to healthcare funding). In that>>>>>> sense,>>>>>> all of>>>>>> this has been useful for me.>>>>>>
It's too bad rick could never see the value in such>>>>>> discourse.>>>>> ====================>>>>> LOL I tried, fool. All I got was a bunch of jingoistic>>>>> chest-thumping lies.>>>>
Perhaps you should stop telling them, then.>>> =====================>>> I didn't lie, liarman. People are on long waiting lists in>>> Canada, and some of those people die while waiting for that>>> treatment. Sites have been presented to you that prove this,>>> yet>>> you insist on your chest-thumping lies. Why is that liarman?>>> Haven't quite gotten your refutaions together yet?>>
I'm not lying about anything.> =====================> Yes, you are, liarman. People are on long waiting lists in> Canada, and some of those people die while waiting for that> treatment. Sites have been presented to you that prove this, yet> you insist on your chest-thumping lies. Why is that liarman?> Haven't quite gotten your refutaions together yet?
I don't think you've been paying attention and you are making a fool of yourself. You might want to ask Tinkerntom to point you to the post (long ago) where I conceded that the way I framed the question allowed you to meet the burden of proof I requested.
The way you have gone on and on about it has further cemented your reputation as a petty juvenile, and your refusal to apologize for your extreme dishonesty in saying I claimed that no one in Canada is waiting for treatment has added coward and scumbag to your character traits.
in article OmvVd.9981$MY6.3795@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick at stop@stop.net wrote on 3/2/05 10:19 PM:
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message> news:BE4BE46D.18837%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...>> in article >> JCrVd.9782$MY6.6625@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick at>> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/2/05 6:03 PM:>>
snip..>
You've captured it perfectly. I got so frustrated with>>>>>> rick's>>>>>> spew that I tried to pin him down and make him focus more>>>>>> on>>>>>> his wild claims about Canadian health care, and all that>>>>>> happened instead is he took the dishonest tactic of picking>>>>>> on the wording of my attempts to make him focus.>>>>> =====================>>>>> No, there was no misleading by me of your lies, er wording,>>>>> liarman. You made direct declarative statements that you>>>>> cannot back up. I focused entirely on your lies that no 1)>>>>> no one is waiting for treatment in Canada,>>>>
Scumbag. You know very well what I declared was that the>>>> people>>>> in Newfoundland were not waiting for 2 1/2 years for>>>> treatment - the lie YOU were telling. But you are too big of>>>> a>>>> coward to admit it.>>> ======================>>> Nope. that's not what you said>>
Yes it is.>>
I responded to your allegation that the people featured in the>> story were>> waiting for treatment. They aren't. And you are a scumbag for>> taking my>> statement out of that context and trying to say that I was>> referring to all>> persons in Canada.> ========================> Nope. you claimed no one was waiting for treatment
No. I said that the people in Newfoundland were not waiting for treatment as you had falsely claimed. Your refusal to apolgize for your dishonesty is further cementing your reputation as a coward and scumbag.
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:BE4BF889.188BC%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...> in article > xmvVd.9979$MY6.1708@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick at> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/2/05 10:18 PM:>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message>> news:BE4BE41C.18835%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...>>> in article>>> HzrVd.9776$MY6.1200@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick at>>> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/2/05 5:59 PM:>>>
snip...>>
You're telling me there aren't poor people in the US >>>>>>>>>>> in>>>>>>>>>>> isolated or slum>>>>>>>>>>> areas where they have a hard time getting a scan at>>>>>>>>>>> their>>>>>>>>>>> convenience? Get>>>>>>>>>>> real.>>>>>>>>>>> ====================>>>>>>>>>> Another strawman, I see. We aren't talking about >>>>>>>>>> their>>>>>>>>>> 'convenience', we're talking about the convenience of>>>>>>>>>> the>>>>>>>>>> medical>>>>>>>>>> systam. When that 'poor' person arrives at a medical>>>>>>>>>> facility in>>>>>>>>>> need, then yes, I'm saying that they will not wait 2 >>>>>>>>>> 1/2>>>>>>>>>> years>>>>>>>>>> for treatment.>>>>>>>>>
No one is waiting for treatment.>>>>>>>> ======================>>>>>>>> Yes, they are. Weeks months and years. Even you have>>>>>>>> agreed to that, now.>>>>>>>
Nono. Stop being dishonest.>>>>>>>
I never said no one in Canada is waiting for treatment.>>>>>> ================>>>>>> Yes, you did.>>>>>
No, I didn't. I respond to your goofy claim that the people>>>>> in>>>>> your example were waiting 2 1/2 years for treatment when in>>>>> fact they were all in current receipt of care.>>>>>
Stop being such a scumbag. You owe me an apology but your >>>>> are>>>>> too weak and too much of coward to do it.>>>> ======================>>>> Nope. Where's yours, liarman?>>>
I responded to your allegation that the people featured in >>> the>>> story were>>> waiting for treatment. They aren't. And you are a scumbag for>>> taking my>>> statement out of that context and trying to say that I was>>> referring to all>>> persons in Canada.>> =====================>> No, you replied that no one is waiting for treatment. liarman.>>
You owe me an apology, but you are too weak and too big of a>>> coward to do>>> it.>> +=================>> No, I don't. But it seems you have forgotten about your, eh>> liarman. Proof that people are dying in waiting lines in >> Canada>> have been presented to you, yet you are still spewing about a >> lie>> you have already taken back. Why is that, liarman? Don't >> want>> to discuss your continued willful ignorance?>
What happened is you blathered on about the people in > Newfoundland waiting 2> 1/2 years for treatment, and I responded that they are not > waiting for> treatment. And they aren't. So stop being a scumbag, stop > being a coward,> suck it up and apologize. Or are you just too weak?
======================== ROTFLMAO You really are this desperate now, aren't you, liarman? I'm not the one that was blathering about it. It was a single post, included with other sites. You have latched onto it in a desperate attempt to divert attention from tha reast of your willful ignorance, people dying while on wait lists. I can understand how you would wnat to continue to spew about a lie you made and have already taken back though, liarman. You want to do that because you cannot refute the fact that you are a proven liar. As to an apology, you are the one that said you would when proven wrong, but as we can see, you lied about that too! Not a surprise though, eh liarman?
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:BE4BF944.188BD%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...> in article > FmvVd.9980$MY6.8687@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick at> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/2/05 10:19 PM:>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message>> news:BE4BE446.18836%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...>>> in article>>> ABrVd.9780$MY6.7088@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick at>>> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/2/05 6:01 PM:>>>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tiNOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message>>>> news:HcrVd.37912$Vf6.1032847@news20.bellglobal.com...>>>>>
"rick" <stop@stop.net> wrote in message>>>>> news:%9rVd.9747$MY6.9397@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...>>>>>>
"BCITORGB" <wilf.ratzburg@gmail.com> wrote in message>>>>>> news:1109783545.361528.3530@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...>>>>>>> KMAN, I was pleased with the effort Tink took to get a>>>>>>> handle>>>>>>> on this>>>>>>> situation. And, from my own perspective, I've done some>>>>>>> reading about>>>>>>> various systems and have at least a passing acquaintance>>>>>>> with>>>>>>> a variety>>>>>>> of European models (I now know the difference between the>>>>>>> Beveridge and>>>>>>> the Bismark approaches to healthcare funding). In that>>>>>>> sense,>>>>>>> all of>>>>>>> this has been useful for me.>>>>>>>
It's too bad rick could never see the value in such>>>>>>> discourse.>>>>>> ====================>>>>>> LOL I tried, fool. All I got was a bunch of jingoistic>>>>>> chest-thumping lies.>>>>>
Perhaps you should stop telling them, then.>>>> =====================>>>> I didn't lie, liarman. People are on long waiting lists in>>>> Canada, and some of those people die while waiting for that>>>> treatment. Sites have been presented to you that prove >>>> this,>>>> yet>>>> you insist on your chest-thumping lies. Why is that >>>> liarman?>>>> Haven't quite gotten your refutaions together yet?>>>
I'm not lying about anything.>> =====================>> Yes, you are, liarman. People are on long waiting lists in>> Canada, and some of those people die while waiting for that>> treatment. Sites have been presented to you that prove this, >> yet>> you insist on your chest-thumping lies. Why is that liarman?>> Haven't quite gotten your refutaions together yet?>
I don't think you've been paying attention and you are making a > fool of> yourself. You might want to ask Tinkerntom to point you to the > post (long> ago) where I conceded that the way I framed the question > allowed you to meet> the burden of proof I requested.
============================== Yet the proof was presented, and it proves you are a liar regardless of how you make your claim.
The way you have gone on and on about it has further cemented > your> reputation as a petty juvenile, and your refusal to apologize > for your> extreme dishonesty in saying I claimed that no one in Canada is > waiting for> treatment has added coward and scumbag to your character > traits.
==================== LOL No, I have proven you to be the liar that your are. Also that you are willfully ignorant and plan to remain so. This all started because YOU claimed no one in Canada was dying because they are waiting for treatment. You lied then, and you continue to lie. You can't seem to help yourslef, can you, liarman? You now are trying to divert the discussion onto a lie that you have now taken back, that no one is waiting for treatment. Why can't you saty on focus of the original discussion, liarman? Oh, yeah, because you've been proven to have lied about that too!
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:BE4BF995.188BE%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...> in article > OmvVd.9981$MY6.3795@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick at> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/2/05 10:19 PM:>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message>> news:BE4BE46D.18837%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...>>> in article>>> JCrVd.9782$MY6.6625@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick at>>> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/2/05 6:03 PM:>>>
snip..>>
You've captured it perfectly. I got so frustrated with>>>>>>> rick's>>>>>>> spew that I tried to pin him down and make him focus more>>>>>>> on>>>>>>> his wild claims about Canadian health care, and all that>>>>>>> happened instead is he took the dishonest tactic of >>>>>>> picking>>>>>>> on the wording of my attempts to make him focus.>>>>>> =====================>>>>>> No, there was no misleading by me of your lies, er >>>>>> wording,>>>>>> liarman. You made direct declarative statements that you>>>>>> cannot back up. I focused entirely on your lies that no >>>>>> 1)>>>>>> no one is waiting for treatment in Canada,>>>>>
Scumbag. You know very well what I declared was that the>>>>> people>>>>> in Newfoundland were not waiting for 2 1/2 years for>>>>> treatment - the lie YOU were telling. But you are too big >>>>> of>>>>> a>>>>> coward to admit it.>>>> ======================>>>> Nope. that's not what you said>>>
Yes it is.>>>
I responded to your allegation that the people featured in >>> the>>> story were>>> waiting for treatment. They aren't. And you are a scumbag for>>> taking my>>> statement out of that context and trying to say that I was>>> referring to all>>> persons in Canada.>> ========================>> Nope. you claimed no one was waiting for treatment>
No. I said that the people in Newfoundland were not waiting for > treatment as> you had falsely claimed. Your refusal to apolgize for your > dishonesty is> further cementing your reputation as a coward and scumbag.
============================ Nope. That's what you are trying to explain away now because you must continue to blather on about this to deivert the discussion from your original lie, no one is dying while on wait lists, liarman. You have been proven to be a liar, and willfully ignorant.
"rick" <stop@stop.net> wrote in message news:FOwVd.10044$MY6.4408@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:BE4BF889.188BC%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...>> in article xmvVd.9979$MY6.1708@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick at>> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/2/05 10:18 PM:>>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message>>> news:BE4BE41C.18835%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...>>>> in article>>>> HzrVd.9776$MY6.1200@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick at>>>> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/2/05 5:59 PM:>>>>
snip...>>>
You're telling me there aren't poor people in the US in>>>>>>>>>>>> isolated or slum>>>>>>>>>>>> areas where they have a hard time getting a scan at>>>>>>>>>>>> their>>>>>>>>>>>> convenience? Get>>>>>>>>>>>> real.>>>>>>>>>>>> ====================>>>>>>>>>>> Another strawman, I see. We aren't talking about their>>>>>>>>>>> 'convenience', we're talking about the convenience of>>>>>>>>>>> the>>>>>>>>>>> medical>>>>>>>>>>> systam. When that 'poor' person arrives at a medical>>>>>>>>>>> facility in>>>>>>>>>>> need, then yes, I'm saying that they will not wait 2 1/2>>>>>>>>>>> years>>>>>>>>>>> for treatment.>>>>>>>>>>
No one is waiting for treatment.>>>>>>>>> ======================>>>>>>>>> Yes, they are. Weeks months and years. Even you have>>>>>>>>> agreed to that, now.>>>>>>>>
Nono. Stop being dishonest.>>>>>>>>
I never said no one in Canada is waiting for treatment.>>>>>>> ================>>>>>>> Yes, you did.>>>>>>
No, I didn't. I respond to your goofy claim that the people>>>>>> in>>>>>> your example were waiting 2 1/2 years for treatment when in>>>>>> fact they were all in current receipt of care.>>>>>>
Stop being such a scumbag. You owe me an apology but your are>>>>>> too weak and too much of coward to do it.>>>>> ======================>>>>> Nope. Where's yours, liarman?>>>>
I responded to your allegation that the people featured in the>>>> story were>>>> waiting for treatment. They aren't. And you are a scumbag for>>>> taking my>>>> statement out of that context and trying to say that I was>>>> referring to all>>>> persons in Canada.>>> =====================>>> No, you replied that no one is waiting for treatment. liarman.>>>
You owe me an apology, but you are too weak and too big of a>>>> coward to do>>>> it.>>> +=================>>> No, I don't. But it seems you have forgotten about your, eh>>> liarman. Proof that people are dying in waiting lines in Canada>>> have been presented to you, yet you are still spewing about a lie>>> you have already taken back. Why is that, liarman? Don't want>>> to discuss your continued willful ignorance?>>
What happened is you blathered on about the people in Newfoundland >> waiting 2>> 1/2 years for treatment, and I responded that they are not waiting for>> treatment. And they aren't. So stop being a scumbag, stop being a >> coward,>> suck it up and apologize. Or are you just too weak?> ========================> ROTFLMAO You really are this desperate now, aren't you, liarman? I'm not > the one that was blathering about it.
Yeah, you were.
You were rambling on about how people were waiting 2 1/2 years for treatment in the story about people in Newfoundland. They aren't waiting 2 1/2 years for treatment, and I told you so. Then you tried to say that I was stating that no one in Canada waits for anything, which is not what I said at all. You are a scumbag.
"rick" <stop@stop.net> wrote in message news:WTwVd.10048$MY6.4462@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:BE4BF944.188BD%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...>> in article FmvVd.9980$MY6.8687@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick at>> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/2/05 10:19 PM:>>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message>>> news:BE4BE446.18836%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...>>>> in article>>>> ABrVd.9780$MY6.7088@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick at>>>> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/2/05 6:01 PM:>>>>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tiNOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message>>>>> news:HcrVd.37912$Vf6.1032847@news20.bellglobal.com...>>>>>>
"rick" <stop@stop.net> wrote in message>>>>>> news:%9rVd.9747$MY6.9397@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...>>>>>>>
"BCITORGB" <wilf.ratzburg@gmail.com> wrote in message>>>>>>> news:1109783545.361528.3530@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...>>>>>>>> KMAN, I was pleased with the effort Tink took to get a>>>>>>>> handle>>>>>>>> on this>>>>>>>> situation. And, from my own perspective, I've done some>>>>>>>> reading about>>>>>>>> various systems and have at least a passing acquaintance>>>>>>>> with>>>>>>>> a variety>>>>>>>> of European models (I now know the difference between the>>>>>>>> Beveridge and>>>>>>>> the Bismark approaches to healthcare funding). In that>>>>>>>> sense,>>>>>>>> all of>>>>>>>> this has been useful for me.>>>>>>>>
It's too bad rick could never see the value in such>>>>>>>> discourse.>>>>>>> ====================>>>>>>> LOL I tried, fool. All I got was a bunch of jingoistic>>>>>>> chest-thumping lies.>>>>>>
Perhaps you should stop telling them, then.>>>>> =====================>>>>> I didn't lie, liarman. People are on long waiting lists in>>>>> Canada, and some of those people die while waiting for that>>>>> treatment. Sites have been presented to you that prove this,>>>>> yet>>>>> you insist on your chest-thumping lies. Why is that liarman?>>>>> Haven't quite gotten your refutaions together yet?>>>>
I'm not lying about anything.>>> =====================>>> Yes, you are, liarman. People are on long waiting lists in>>> Canada, and some of those people die while waiting for that>>> treatment. Sites have been presented to you that prove this, yet>>> you insist on your chest-thumping lies. Why is that liarman?>>> Haven't quite gotten your refutaions together yet?>>
I don't think you've been paying attention and you are making a fool of>> yourself. You might want to ask Tinkerntom to point you to the post (long>> ago) where I conceded that the way I framed the question allowed you to >> meet>> the burden of proof I requested.> ==============================> Yet the proof was presented, and it proves you are a liar regardless of > how you make your claim.
All it proves is that I told you the people in Newfoundland were not waiting 2 1/2 years for treatment and I was right.
You are a scumbag, and a coward for not admitting your dishonesty.
"rick" <stop@stop.net> wrote in message news:zVwVd.10049$MY6.2228@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:BE4BF995.188BE%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...>> in article OmvVd.9981$MY6.3795@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick at>> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/2/05 10:19 PM:>>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message>>> news:BE4BE46D.18837%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...>>>> in article>>>> JCrVd.9782$MY6.6625@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick at>>>> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/2/05 6:03 PM:>>>>
snip..>>>
You've captured it perfectly. I got so frustrated with>>>>>>>> rick's>>>>>>>> spew that I tried to pin him down and make him focus more>>>>>>>> on>>>>>>>> his wild claims about Canadian health care, and all that>>>>>>>> happened instead is he took the dishonest tactic of picking>>>>>>>> on the wording of my attempts to make him focus.>>>>>>> =====================>>>>>>> No, there was no misleading by me of your lies, er wording,>>>>>>> liarman. You made direct declarative statements that you>>>>>>> cannot back up. I focused entirely on your lies that no 1)>>>>>>> no one is waiting for treatment in Canada,>>>>>>
Scumbag. You know very well what I declared was that the>>>>>> people>>>>>> in Newfoundland were not waiting for 2 1/2 years for>>>>>> treatment - the lie YOU were telling. But you are too big of>>>>>> a>>>>>> coward to admit it.>>>>> ======================>>>>> Nope. that's not what you said>>>>
Yes it is.>>>>
I responded to your allegation that the people featured in the>>>> story were>>>> waiting for treatment. They aren't. And you are a scumbag for>>>> taking my>>>> statement out of that context and trying to say that I was>>>> referring to all>>>> persons in Canada.>>> ========================>>> Nope. you claimed no one was waiting for treatment>>
No. I said that the people in Newfoundland were not waiting for treatment >> as>> you had falsely claimed. Your refusal to apolgize for your dishonesty is>> further cementing your reputation as a coward and scumbag.> ============================> Nope. That's what you are trying to explain away now
I told you the people in Newfoundland were not waiting 2 1/2 years for treatment and I was right.
You are a scumbag, and a coward for not admitting your dishonesty.
in article MlLVd.298$oO4.239@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick at stop@stop.net wrote on 3/3/05 4:30 PM:
"KMAN" <KMAN-tiNOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message> news:SvFVd.44014$Vf6.1229704@news20.bellglobal.com...>>
"rick" <stop@stop.net> wrote in message>> news:WTwVd.10048$MY6.4462@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...>>>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message>>> news:BE4BF944.188BD%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...>>>> in article >>>> FmvVd.9980$MY6.8687@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick at>>>> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/2/05 10:19 PM:>>>>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message>>>>> news:BE4BE446.18836%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...>>>>>> in article>>>>>> ABrVd.9780$MY6.7088@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick>>>>>> at>>>>>> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/2/05 6:01 PM:>>>>>>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tiNOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message>>>>>>> news:HcrVd.37912$Vf6.1032847@news20.bellglobal.com...>>>>>>>>
"rick" <stop@stop.net> wrote in message>>>>>>>> news:%9rVd.9747$MY6.9397@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...>>>>>>>>>
"BCITORGB" <wilf.ratzburg@gmail.com> wrote in message>>>>>>>>> news:1109783545.361528.3530@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...>>>>>>>>>> KMAN, I was pleased with the effort Tink took to get a>>>>>>>>>> handle>>>>>>>>>> on this>>>>>>>>>> situation. And, from my own perspective, I've done some>>>>>>>>>> reading about>>>>>>>>>> various systems and have at least a passing>>>>>>>>>> acquaintance>>>>>>>>>> with>>>>>>>>>> a variety>>>>>>>>>> of European models (I now know the difference between>>>>>>>>>> the>>>>>>>>>> Beveridge and>>>>>>>>>> the Bismark approaches to healthcare funding). In that>>>>>>>>>> sense,>>>>>>>>>> all of>>>>>>>>>> this has been useful for me.>>>>>>>>>>
It's too bad rick could never see the value in such>>>>>>>>>> discourse.>>>>>>>>> ====================>>>>>>>>> LOL I tried, fool. All I got was a bunch of jingoistic>>>>>>>>> chest-thumping lies.>>>>>>>>
Perhaps you should stop telling them, then.>>>>>>> =====================>>>>>>> I didn't lie, liarman. People are on long waiting lists>>>>>>> in>>>>>>> Canada, and some of those people die while waiting for>>>>>>> that>>>>>>> treatment. Sites have been presented to you that prove>>>>>>> this,>>>>>>> yet>>>>>>> you insist on your chest-thumping lies. Why is that>>>>>>> liarman?>>>>>>> Haven't quite gotten your refutaions together yet?>>>>>>
I'm not lying about anything.>>>>> =====================>>>>> Yes, you are, liarman. People are on long waiting lists in>>>>> Canada, and some of those people die while waiting for that>>>>> treatment. Sites have been presented to you that prove>>>>> this, yet>>>>> you insist on your chest-thumping lies. Why is that>>>>> liarman?>>>>> Haven't quite gotten your refutaions together yet?>>>>
I don't think you've been paying attention and you are making>>>> a fool of>>>> yourself. You might want to ask Tinkerntom to point you to>>>> the post (long>>>> ago) where I conceded that the way I framed the question>>>> allowed you to meet>>>> the burden of proof I requested.>>> ==============================>>> Yet the proof was presented, and it proves you are a liar>>> regardless of how you make your claim.>>
All it proves is that I told you the people in Newfoundland>> were not waiting 2 1/2 years for treatment and I was right.>>
You are a scumbag, and a coward for not admitting your>> dishonesty.> ==========================> That was but one example to show that you were lying
Whatever you think it was, I never said that no one in Canada is waiting for treatment.
You are being extremely dishonest. You owe me an apology, but you are too big of a coward to admit that you are wrong. You are a scumbag.
in article WmLVd.299$oO4.181@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick at stop@stop.net wrote on 3/3/05 4:31 PM:
"KMAN" <KMAN-tiNOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message> news:bwFVd.44016$Vf6.1229614@news20.bellglobal.com...>>
"rick" <stop@stop.net> wrote in message>> news:zVwVd.10049$MY6.2228@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...>>>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message>>> news:BE4BF995.188BE%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...>>>> in article >>>> OmvVd.9981$MY6.3795@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick at>>>> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/2/05 10:19 PM:>>>>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message>>>>> news:BE4BE46D.18837%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...>>>>>> in article>>>>>> JCrVd.9782$MY6.6625@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick>>>>>> at>>>>>> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/2/05 6:03 PM:>>>>>>
snip..>>>>>
You've captured it perfectly. I got so frustrated with>>>>>>>>>> rick's>>>>>>>>>> spew that I tried to pin him down and make him focus>>>>>>>>>> more>>>>>>>>>> on>>>>>>>>>> his wild claims about Canadian health care, and all>>>>>>>>>> that>>>>>>>>>> happened instead is he took the dishonest tactic of>>>>>>>>>> picking>>>>>>>>>> on the wording of my attempts to make him focus.>>>>>>>>> =====================>>>>>>>>> No, there was no misleading by me of your lies, er>>>>>>>>> wording,>>>>>>>>> liarman. You made direct declarative statements that>>>>>>>>> you>>>>>>>>> cannot back up. I focused entirely on your lies that>>>>>>>>> no 1)>>>>>>>>> no one is waiting for treatment in Canada,>>>>>>>>
Scumbag. You know very well what I declared was that the>>>>>>>> people>>>>>>>> in Newfoundland were not waiting for 2 1/2 years for>>>>>>>> treatment - the lie YOU were telling. But you are too big>>>>>>>> of>>>>>>>> a>>>>>>>> coward to admit it.>>>>>>> ======================>>>>>>> Nope. that's not what you said>>>>>>
Yes it is.>>>>>>
I responded to your allegation that the people featured in>>>>>> the>>>>>> story were>>>>>> waiting for treatment. They aren't. And you are a scumbag>>>>>> for>>>>>> taking my>>>>>> statement out of that context and trying to say that I was>>>>>> referring to all>>>>>> persons in Canada.>>>>> ========================>>>>> Nope. you claimed no one was waiting for treatment>>>>
No. I said that the people in Newfoundland were not waiting>>>> for treatment as>>>> you had falsely claimed. Your refusal to apolgize for your>>>> dishonesty is>>>> further cementing your reputation as a coward and scumbag.>>> ============================>>> Nope. That's what you are trying to explain away now>>
I told you the people in Newfoundland were not waiting 2 1/2>> years for treatment and I was right.> ==============> No, you weren't. You were lying as usual. Their treatment did> not start for at least 2 1/2 years.
As stated in the article:
"While the wait is less than ideal, patients' conditions are being investigated andfollowed by other medical means, and that anyone needing an emergency scan gets one," said Geoffrey Higgins, clinical chief of diagnostic imaging at the Health Care Corporation of St. John's.
They are waiting for a specific specialized test. They are not waiting for treatment.
You are a scumbag, and a coward for not admitting your>> dishonesty.> ==========================> That was but one example to show that you were lying
Whatever you think it was, your claim that I said no one in Canada waits for treatment is false. You owe me an apology. But you are too week and too much of coward to do what you know if right.
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:BE4D545C.18989%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...> in article MlLVd.298$oO4.239@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net, > rick at> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/3/05 4:30 PM:>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tiNOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message>> news:SvFVd.44014$Vf6.1229704@news20.bellglobal.com...>>>
"rick" <stop@stop.net> wrote in message>>> news:WTwVd.10048$MY6.4462@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...>>>>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message>>>> news:BE4BF944.188BD%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...>>>>> in article>>>>> FmvVd.9980$MY6.8687@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, rick >>>>> at>>>>> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/2/05 10:19 PM:>>>>>
"KMAN" <KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com> wrote in message>>>>>> news:BE4BE446.18836%KMAN-tinOGc@hotmail.com...>>>>>>> in article>>>>>>> ABrVd.9780$MY6.7088@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net, >>>>>>> rick>>>>>>> at>>>>>>> stop@stop.net wrote on 3/2/05 6:01 PM:>>>>>>>
