a four mile trip in florida that went wrong. this is a tradgety, three foot waves and problems would suggest there was an experience issue. canoes; and kayaks? ? ? i would suspect they were on a very benign trip that turned sour. my heart felt condolences to the parents and family's involved, i feel for the leaders as well. they must feel pretty rough now and it will likely get worse for them. i have been out when things went wrong and likely owe my life to friends that had the skill to shrug off foul weather and instill a confidence that things would be okay. we had all types of flares, radios, ropes, lights etc. none of it was used. there was more than three foot waves though . i trust the party checked the forecast and this is one of those terrible things. once again my condolences to all involved.
"No Spam" <bennospamzx2@verizon.net> wrote in message news:j38Vd.38241$ya6.25850@trndny01...> That was kind of my take on it...
And many would agree.
I beg to differ. Reduce all of life's risks to the bare minimum and you end up with a generation of children who grow up to live their lives on Usenet.
"Wolfgang" <wolfgang@mcw.edu> wrote in message news:38kn2iF5niep7U1@individual.net...>
"No Spam" <bennospamzx2@verizon.net> wrote in message > news:j38Vd.38241$ya6.25850@trndny01...>> That was kind of my take on it...>
And many would agree.>
I beg to differ. Reduce all of life's risks to the bare > minimum and you end up with a generation of children who grow > up to live their lives on Usenet.>
"rick" <stop@stop.net> wrote in message news:mM9Vd.8779$MY6.5931@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...>
"Wolfgang" <wolfgang@mcw.edu> wrote in message > news:38kn2iF5niep7U1@individual.net...>>
"No Spam" <bennospamzx2@verizon.net> wrote in message >> news:j38Vd.38241$ya6.25850@trndny01...>>> That was kind of my take on it...>>
And many would agree.>>
I beg to differ. Reduce all of life's risks to the bare minimum and you >> end up with a generation of children who grow up to live their lives on >> Usenet.>>
"rick" <stop@stop.net> wrote in message news:ozaVd.1554$L17.899@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...>
"Wolfgang" <wolfgang@mcw.edu> wrote in message> news:38ko6qF5n1113U1@individual.net...
Hey, they could grow up to be you.> ===============> which only to a psychopath would think is worse than dead...> Thanks for showing how you would treat those that disagree with> you...
To the best of my admittedly imperfect recollection, I have never actually killed anyone who disagreed with me. Um.....family history is another matter entirely, but that would take us deeper into the old nature versus nurture conundrum than I care to delve at the moment. I can think of only one instance in which someone who frequently disagreed with me subsequently died, an unfortunate circumstance in which, I hasten to remind the reader, I was never formally indicted. I despair of my ability to make you understand and fully appreciate how comforting it is to know that when my turn comes, I will be mourned by such a paragon of logical precision, lexical dexterity and deep seated humanity as your own inestimable self.
Wolfgang who, it should not be necessary to add, will decline all offers to join any lynch mob planning to pay a visit to the leaders of the ill-fated expedition alluded to in this thread, with whom, when all is said and done, he probably disagrees about some things.
"rick" <stop@stop.net> wrote in message news:ozaVd.1554$L17.899@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...>
"Wolfgang" <wolfgang@mcw.edu> wrote in message > news:38ko6qF5n1113U1@individual.net...>>
"rick" <stop@stop.net> wrote in message >> news:mM9Vd.8779$MY6.5931@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...>>>
"Wolfgang" <wolfgang@mcw.edu> wrote in message >>> news:38kn2iF5niep7U1@individual.net...>>>>
"No Spam" <bennospamzx2@verizon.net> wrote in message >>>> news:j38Vd.38241$ya6.25850@trndny01...>>>>> That was kind of my take on it...>>>>
And many would agree.>>>>
I beg to differ. Reduce all of life's risks to the bare minimum and >>>> you end up with a generation of children who grow up to live their >>>> lives on Usenet.>>>>
Wolfgang>>>> who would rather see them drown.>>>
Hey, they could grow up to be you.> ===============> which only to a psychopath would think is worse than dead...> Thanks for showing how you would treat those that disagree with you...>
Easy, Rick. You and Wolfie are arguing on the same side here. His point was that IF we reduced all of life's risks the bare minimum, we would end up with a bunch of fat lazy kids who spend their life on Usenet. This is so distasteful that he would rather see them do outdoorsy things, take risks, and sometimes potentially drown. I believe we are in agreement that its better to take risks (possibly fatal) to hide from them. I know I agree with that.
When he said "hey they could grow up to be you", he said that in a neutral was just to bait you. You took it as a condescention, but he meant it as a veiled compliment: you're a risk taker....they could grow up to be like you. Your response was precisely the type of misinterpretation that he was hoping for.
He's a master at this kind of neutral statement that can be taken two ways. Its fun to watch, if youre not the target.
--riverman (who KNOWS he's gonna get his comeuppance for this....)
"riverman" <nospam@sorry.com> wrote in message news:38o32kF5roh9qU2@individual.net...>
...He's a master...
<snipped remainder of embarrassingly effusive flattery>
As you well know, I could use the services of a full time publicist. I couldn't pay much......at least for the time being......but it would be a lot more exciting than that tedious little stint you did down in Africa.
"Wolfgang" <wolfgang@mcw.edu> wrote in message news:38oa4tF5qs62gU1@individual.net...>
"riverman" <nospam@sorry.com> wrote in message > news:38o32kF5roh9qU2@individual.net...>>
...He's a master...>
<snipped remainder of embarrassingly effusive flattery>
Effusive, or efflusive?
As you well know, I could use the services of a full time publicist. I > couldn't pay much......at least for the time being......but it would be a > lot more exciting than that tedious little stint you did down in Africa.>
Whattya say? >
Sure. You know I'm your biggest fan.
Wolfgang> incoming!
Uh oh. Shoulda listened to my lawyer. But still, Wolfie, play nice with your new friends.
"riverman" <nospam@sorry.com> wrote in message news:38oag6F5r9pi6U1@individual.net...>
Uh oh. Shoulda listened to my lawyer.
There's a natural hierarchy to these things. Always listen to your plumber and your electrician first.....then your accountant.....then your doctor......and then your lawyer.
But still, Wolfie, play nice with your new friends.
The Burnsian postulate is always uppermost in my mind.
"Wolfgang" <wolfgang@mcw.edu> wrote in message news:38obdeF5r243sU1@individual.net...>
"riverman" <nospam@sorry.com> wrote in message > news:38oag6F5r9pi6U1@individual.net...>>
Uh oh. Shoulda listened to my lawyer.>
There's a natural hierarchy to these things. Always listen to your > plumber and your electrician first.....then your accountant.....then your > doctor......and then your lawyer.>
But still, Wolfie, play nice with your new friends.>
The Burnsian postulate is always uppermost in my mind.>
Huh? Either youre a fan of Haggis, the Simpsons, or M*A*S*H.
Wolfgang wrote:> "riverman" <nospam@sorry.com> wrote in message> news:38oejmF5r6nj0U1@individual.net...>
Either youre a fan of Haggis, the Simpsons, or M*A*S*H.>
"It's nice to be nice to the nice.">
Wolfgang> who supposes monty or bobby COULD have said that.
Hah, that's Frank Burns all right, when talking to Margaret Houlihan!
-- Wilko van den Bergh wilko(a t)dse(d o t)nl Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe ---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.--- http://wilko.webzone.ru/
In message <38obdeF5r243sU1@individual.net>, Wolfgang <wolfgang@mcw.edu> writes>
"riverman" <nospam@sorry.com> wrote in message>news:38oag6F5r9pi6U1@individual.net...>>
Uh oh. Shoulda listened to my lawyer.>
There's a natural hierarchy to these things. Always listen to your plumber>and your electrician first.....then your accountant.....then your>doctor......and then your lawyer.>
But still, Wolfie, play nice with your new friends.>
The Burnsian postulate is always uppermost in my mind.>
Wolfgang>
I always said to paraphrase Shakespeare "When the revolution come kill all Architects - then the lawyers". Mind you I work as a builder! -- Dave Manby Details of the Coruh river and my book "Many Rivers To Run" at http://www.dmanby.demon.co.uk
In message <38oejmF5r6nj0U1@individual.net>, riverman <nospam@sorry.com> writes>
"Wolfgang" <wolfgang@mcw.edu> wrote in message>news:38obdeF5r243sU1@individual.net...>>
"riverman" <nospam@sorry.com> wrote in message>> news:38oag6F5r9pi6U1@individual.net...>>>
Uh oh. Shoulda listened to my lawyer.>>
There's a natural hierarchy to these things. Always listen to your>> plumber and your electrician first.....then your accountant.....then your>> doctor......and then your lawyer.>>
But still, Wolfie, play nice with your new friends.>>
The Burnsian postulate is always uppermost in my mind.>>
Huh?>Either youre a fan of Haggis, the Simpsons, or M*A*S*H.>
--riverman>
Has anyone seen the band Haggis that hail from Phoenix? We passed some of their fans on the Grand the other year. We enlightened them about what a haggis is and even gave them one - we were a predominately Scottish trip - too much whisky and not enough gin!
