"Doug Dotson" wrote ...> "Dan Best" wrote ...> > You know, it's funny. This question comes up all the time on the net,
rarely, if ever, out here where people are actually doing it (we are
about> > to leave La Paz for points south). I can't remember the last time the> > guns topic came up while talking with other cruisers. The sense I get
that very few are actually carrying guns.> > - Dan>
Very few admit it. While cruising a couple of years ago, I was amazed> how many carried guns aboard. Probably better than 50% of the folks> I talked to about such things.>
"A Bali court has sentenced Western Australian millionaire yachtsman Christopher Packer to three months jail for firearms offences.
"However, the 52-year-old expects to be released in the next few days as he has already served the sentence while awaiting trial on charges of not declaring the presence of weapons on his boat.
"Marine police stopped Packer last November as he attempted to leave Indonesian waters on a round-the-world cruise.
"They arrested him after finding six firearms on his ship, including a semi-automatic rifle, two pump-action shotguns and a revolver.
"On his way into court today, Packer said he was not feeling confident. But there was good news waiting for him inside the courtroom.
"The judges found him guilty of the non-criminal offence of failing to report the presence of firearms on his ship and sentenced him to three months in prison, including time already served."
Doug Dotson wrote:> "WaIIy" <eIvez@ChangeThisPart.com> wrote in message >>idiot> To borrow a comment from another thread:> It is better to be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all > doubt.> --Samuel Johnson.>
Thank you for oping your mouth and contributing nothing.>
Doug> s/v Callista
he's just mad you opened your mouth and told! Now Wally's worried the Canadian CG is going to board and search for his .44Magnum when he goes to Leamington this summer.
Doug Dotson wrote:> "prodigal1" <prodig@l.com> wrote in message > news:wO2dnQmwT5VUGIffRVn-vw@rogers.com...>
Doug Dotson wrote:>>
"prodigal1" <prodig@l.com> wrote in message >>>news:CtydnSqJdJ4Uu4TfRVn-3A@rogers.com...>>>
Prof. Irwin Corey wrote:>>>>
Just to add to this...>>>>
<snip>>>>>
But for home or boat defense, a 12 gauge shotgun is an infinitely better >>>>>choice. More likely to hit something vital. If only we could conceal >>>>>carry shotguns! >>>>
oooohhh>>>>be afraid>>>>be very afraid!!!>>>>
what a great way to live>>>
Beats being dead.>>>
false dilemma>>death obviously isn't the only other option>>I'm not armed, and I don't live in fear>
Neither are most folks. So what is your point?>
my comment is about the fear that permeates American society>
So you are speaking on behalf of society in general. Rather bold> I would say.
straw man respond to my words, rather than yours if you don't mind
re-read the posts in this thread from those who think having lots-o-guns around at all times is a real good idea
think about the nature of American society in this day and age -everyone worried about someone robbing them, invading their homes, "terrorizing" them- you've been cultured to fear the "other" -you feel you have to protect yourself at all times- as a result many of you feel it okay to have unlimited access to guns-guns-guns and then stand there with uncomprehending looks on your faces when nice people get hurt with guns.
try answering a previous question of mine
suggest reasons why all those other countries cited in Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine" have gun violence rates 10-100X lower than the USA?
prodigal1 wrote:> Doug Dotson wrote:> > "prodigal1" <prodig@l.com> wrote in message> > news:wO2dnQmwT5VUGIffRVn-vw@rogers.com...> >
Doug Dotson wrote:> >>
"prodigal1" <prodig@l.com> wrote in message> >>>news:CtydnSqJdJ4Uu4TfRVn-3A@rogers.com...> >>>
Prof. Irwin Corey wrote:> >>>>
Just to add to this...> >>>>
<snip>> >>>>
But for home or boat defense, a 12 gauge shotgun is an
infinitely better> >>>>>choice. More likely to hit something vital. If only we could conceal> >>>>>carry shotguns! > >>>>
oooohhh> >>>>be afraid> >>>>be very afraid!!!> >>>>
what a great way to live> >>>
Beats being dead.> >>>
false dilemma> >>death obviously isn't the only other option> >>I'm not armed, and I don't live in fear> >
Neither are most folks. So what is your point?> >
my comment is about the fear that permeates American society> >
So you are speaking on behalf of society in general. Rather bold> > I would say.>
straw man> respond to my words, rather than yours if you don't mind>
re-read the posts in this thread from those who think having
lots-o-guns> around at all times is a real good idea>
think about the nature of American society in this day and age
-everyone> worried
stop the presses!
Getting carried away, with the "everyone" aren't you?
about someone robbing them, invading their homes, "terrorizing"> them- you've been cultured to fear the "other" -you feel you have to> protect yourself at all times- as a result many of you feel it okay
have unlimited access to guns-guns-guns and then stand there with> uncomprehending looks on your faces when nice people get hurt with
guns.
Another paint brush swipe. What "uncomprehending" looks? You play while driving a car, you might crash and die, run with scissors, an electic socket, boat without life vests or raft/dingy, ditto. You "play" with a gun, the same. What's to comprehend? Bad things happen in life all the time, why do you choose to demonize guns?
try answering a previous question of mine>
suggest reasons why all those other countries cited in Michael
Moore's> "Bowling for Columbine" have gun violence rates 10-100X lower than the USA?
I'm going way out on a limb here and say ----- "People aren't shooting people!" Rather than grant guns some type of evil powers, I would question why people in our society are so much more violent. But then, that doesn't fit in a 30 second sound bite as it forces folks to address a whole range of issues from broken familys to a society that bends over backwards to excuse unacceptable behavior.
Saudia Arabia would chop your head off for murder. No "he wasn't loved" or "his skin is a different color" or "he was spanked as a child goodness gracious!". Just chop chop chop and there you go.
It's so much easier to say GUNS ARE EVIL, pass the legislation and go home feeling so good about doing --- NOTHING. Then the sick bastards start knifing people, then using clubs, then poison, then propane tank bombs, then cars to squish people.
Where do you draw the line? Like Mr. Morris, when it impacts his convenience and quality of life?
To rehash old info, up to the 50's, you could by guns EVERYWHERE, drug stores, gas stations, etc. Instead of taking the slack assed lazy way out, I would start looking at what has changed in the US since that time that would cause such an increase in violent behavoir - but that might solve something.
By the way, I know a guy that faced a home invasion here in town. He didn't fall for the "answer the late night knock on the door" and while returning to his room for his pistol, they kicked the door open. He returned to the door and started receiving rifle fire from outside and then a second guy already in the house tried to jump him - but the target had his pistol. One BG down, the shooter still loose and most likely plying his trade elsewhere. The victim now owns about 12 dogs and always carries a concealed weapon. Don't underestimate or disregard the impact of violent crime.
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:50:46 -0500, prodigal1 <prodig@l.com> wrote:
think about the nature of American society in this day and age -everyone >worried about someone robbing them, invading their homes, "terrorizing" >them- you've been cultured to fear the "other" -you feel you have to >protect yourself at all times- as a result many of you feel it okay to >have unlimited access to guns-guns-guns and then stand there with >uncomprehending looks on your faces when nice people get hurt with guns.
Your assumptions are insulting and quite disingenuous, not to mention incorrect.
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 22:10:11 -0500, prodigal1 <prodig@l.com> wrote:
WaIIy wrote:>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:50:46 -0500, prodigal1 <prodig@l.com> wrote:>>
think about the nature of American society in this day and age -everyone >>>worried about someone robbing them, invading their homes, "terrorizing" >>>them- you've been cultured to fear the "other" -you feel you have to >>>protect yourself at all times- as a result many of you feel it okay to >>>have unlimited access to guns-guns-guns and then stand there with >>>uncomprehending looks on your faces when nice people get hurt with guns.>>
Your assumptions are insulting and quite disingenuous, not to mention>> incorrect.>
Why don't you hop down off the high horse there Wally and try responding >to the points I've made?
You're haughty to the point of self-delusion.
I can't help you if you refuse to accept that you Americans are being >conditioned to live in fear.
You know not of what you speak.
I have the advantage of watching you from >the outside as an interested third-party observer untainted by the >propaganda that passes for news in your fair land.
You have the disadvantage of prejudice from whatever culture you happen to be from and it obviously has tainted your powers of observation.
I don't hate guns or >gun owners or Americans. I just think it's naive to think that having >one is going to make you safer.
You are entitled to your opinion.
In fact, American's love of guns is one >of the reasons I lobby my MP's to introduce mandatory inspection of >_all_ vehicles entering Canada from the States for illegal weapons.
It's your country, your rules.
Your >crime rates prove that unrestricted gun availability is a dangerous set >of circumstances that leads to tragedy on a daily basis in your country.
It's not the guns that are the problem, it's the people.
Other people choose not to live that way. Why do you choose to live >that way?
What "way" is that?
BTW, perhaps you would come across as slightly less pompous if you didn't call yourself "prodigal". perhaps not.
Spam Fighter 23 February 2005 16:26:41 [ permanent link ]
Dear Bob, We have no guns on board. We sailed our 42 foot ketch to> France last June and my breath was my only weapon. While on this side> of the Atlantic we keep the boat in Tortola BVIs. Hope this was> helpful. > Vincent LoRusso
Hello Vincent,
As of 230730EST there are over 150+ responses to our original post from people who did not read it.
Jim Richardson 26 February 2005 13:30:21 [ permanent link ]
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:08:32 -0500, prodigal1 <prodig@l.com> wrote:> Doug Dotson wrote:>> "prodigal1" <prodig@l.com> wrote in message >> news:CtydnSqJdJ4Uu4TfRVn-3A@rogers.com...>>
Prof. Irwin Corey wrote:>>>
Just to add to this...>>>
<snip>>>>
But for home or boat defense, a 12 gauge shotgun is an infinitely better >>>>choice. More likely to hit something vital. If only we could conceal >>>>carry shotguns! >>>
oooohhh>>>be afraid>>>be very afraid!!!>>>
what a great way to live>>
Beats being dead.>>
false dilemma> death obviously isn't the only other option> I'm not armed, and I don't live in fear> my comment is about the fear that permeates American society
I have a half dozen fire extinguishers aboard Windwalker, that doesn't mean that I live in abject fear of a fire.
-- Jim Richardson http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock The race isn't always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, But it's the safest way to bet.
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Spam Fighter <spamcollector@sympatico.ca> wrote:>> Dear Bob, We have no guns on board. We sailed our 42 foot ketch to>> France last June and my breath was my only weapon. While on this side>> of the Atlantic we keep the boat in Tortola BVIs. Hope this was>> helpful. >> Vincent LoRusso>
Hello Vincent,>
As of 230730EST there are over 150+ responses to our original post from>people who did not read it. >
You read it. Thank you.>Bob
There you go, your survey is complete now. Boat owners don't carry firearms is the logical conclusion of your survey.
