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Chuck H 27 April 2005 22:15:14
	I will appreciate your input regarding the JARCAT CC29 design. Use would be live-aboard-cruising in the Carribean, Gulf of Mexico and along the eastern coast of South America. (not interested in ocean crossing) I would definitely plan to have someone build the hull but perhaps finish the interior myself, although I'm not certain of the latter. Passages would be under sail and I have a prejudice toward outboard engines for power. This is about five years away so I'm not looking for quotes, just input regarding the design. The jarcat site is http://members.ozemail.com.au/~rhturner/index.html Thanks, Chuck
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Old Nick 6 May 2005 09:25:04 [ permanent link ]
	On Thu, 05 May 2005 14:45:01 GMT, Chuck H <invalid@invald.net> wrote: Jeeze, it's been a while since I went there. I had plans to go larger than 23' but life got in the way of really living, as usual.... :-< I write this to keep the dream alive! <G> The following is food for thought before you spend tens of thousands on a cat, if you have not had much to do with them until now. Not to put you off, just to think about, as I have in the past, and from experience. An excellent book, although now dated (but the principles remain) is "The Multihull primer" by DH Clarke, if it's still in print. BOOK STORE at the SHIP'S STORE - WWW TRIKINI PROJECT... prepared to feature books dealing with multihulls, boat building and multihull sailing. ... Multihull Primer: DH Clarke / Published 1976 (Hard to Find) ... www.trikini.com/ShipStore/Amazon1.htm - 19k - Cached - Similar pages Sailing-Books.com: Amazing Sailing Book Selection and Prices. We'd ...... 1999 - ISBN: 096184065X. Multihull Primer by DH Clarke List Price: $21.95 Released: June, 1976 - ISBN: 0846412659. High speed sailing ... www.sailing-books.com/search_results.asp?term=multihull& schMod=books&typ=&page=2&advSearch= - 35k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages Thanks 'Old Nick' for the reply. Like you said I've received no replies >except yours, so I knew there must not be much interest in this type of >boat. I really hadn't thought about the things you mentioned. Good >points, and they got me to thinking about it more thoroughly. I guess >even if I don't plan to sell the boat it's something I should keep in >mind since "stuff happens". Never know. 5 years....<G> Bet ya! I've been sailing recreationaly, monohull not catamarans, off and on for >a long time. I haven't before given much thought about live-aboard but >I'm drawn toward a catamaran for that for various reasons. The Jarcat >CC29 design looked to me like it provided a lot of practical living >space in a fairly small overall size which would be easier to handle >than a large mono, or large cat for that matter, with reasonable >performance under sail. Cats are funny. You can pay the earth for the "right" secondhand one, but then see them going for peanuts. I am not sure what the criteria are, but obviously name is important. From what I see for sail in the papers, cats are either trailerable or 40' long! Problem is, 30' cats are either Wharram designs, which survive anything, but are like living in two 30' cigars <G>, or like the Jarcat, which has huge accommodation but can have seaworthiness problems with all that windage and deck area. Hull-only designs are considered 30-35' as a minimum for liveaboard. My They often sit waiting for sale for a long time. Small market. Depends where you are. If you are in a area where there are a lot of cats sailing, you obviously have a better chance of seeing buyers. You have more competition, but a prime boat will sell. When looking at cruiising cats, allow for berth width. Most berths are designed for length. So although you are only 30' long, you are as wide as a 50' (??) boat. remember that. Course you can beach most cats, so that's an option. Cats are not necessarily easy to handle. Any boat that can do 25 knots as claimed for the CC29 (IIRC) is a fast boat. They tend to do things a lot faster than monos, and of course a tipover is pretty final. If you sale for performance, you need to be right on top of things, in order to stay there <G>. Having said that, I know cats (and actually went aboard one) that have ridden out storms that would made a landlubber of me for the rest of my days <G>. I also knew a guy who was blown ashore onto a beach and simply surfed in, boards up, then refloated later after checking things out. Another aspect of speed is that they have high windage and little weigh. Working in a limited mooring space can be a lot trickier than a mono. I had a 23' cat (Crowther inter 23'), and mooring and maneuvring through mooring areas was a reall art in a breeze, either under sail or with an o/b. I actually reckon that cats need a bigger aux motor than monos. Sometimes you just have to _get_ there. The more living space on a cat, the more problems with pounding, windage etc. Do you know of any comparable designs which might have a used boat >market for them in Americas? I really can't help with resale values etc. I live in Oz and have been out of the market for some time. Surf the web, or ook in the for sales. See what's going. Do your research. You may even find one to simply buy, for not much more than built price. Make sure you get any boat professionally surveyed. See if you can find a multihull forum or two and ask around All this looking around will give you time to think. Try to get a sail or two on a 30' cat, in the ocean. Maybe crew on one, just on coastal races/cruises?
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Old Nick 9 May 2005 10:38:08 [ permanent link ]
	On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 18:15:14 GMT, Chuck H <invalid@invald.net> wrote: Been doing some looking around I will say one thing about the Jarcat. It will get you on the water. They were talking <$35000 Aud to build, IIRC. This equates well with a mono of fhe same sort of size. What you will not get is full headroom living space the same as a mono I feel. They are _very_ "homnebuilty" in method, IMO, still using frames and ply. This may work and all, but dates the boat. However, I was chacking out Farrier's trimarans. 36' for $90-150K! http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:JaSD7wrcHawJ:www.basiliscus.com/CSYSpaper.pdf+farrier+%22building+cost%22+trimaran&hl=en I will appreciate your input regarding the JARCAT CC29 design. Use would >be live-aboard-cruising in the Carribean, Gulf of Mexico and along the >eastern coast of South America. (not interested in ocean crossing) I >would definitely plan to have someone build the hull but perhaps finish >the interior myself, although I'm not certain of the latter. Passages >would be under sail and I have a prejudice toward outboard engines for >power. This is about five years away so I'm not looking for quotes, >just input regarding the design. The jarcat site is >http://members.ozemail.com.au/~rhturner/index.html> Thanks,>Chuck
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