Ok Im def a newB to Boat building and such however my friend and i would like to build a boat we could use around the intercoastal and in the ocean for short distances. I was hoping i could build one that would fit up to 6 people. I would like it to be anywhere from 18 to 24 feet long. We played with the idea of jet propulsion but am not 100 % sure thats a good idea. So if anyone could explain the different hull designs and places i could go and get some designs for building a power boat that can move anywhere from 15 to 20 knots. Hold 6 people. Be stable enough to withstand some waves (1-3 feet light/moderately choppy).Relativley easy to build. Cost is an issue so hopefully it wont cost too much. It soundslike im asking for alot. Any information and help would be very appriciated.
When you ask 15 to 20 knots I don\t think the tradisional trawler types are the best choice , to profit from new technikes so you are not stuck with a difficult construction also ask more modern designs , check this one that is projected with actural ease of building in mind, no difficult edges not the hundreds of small finish issues --- emagine a tradisional emty hull where you still must in the tradisional way , fit deck and structures ,deadrooms and lockers and compare it with this smooth design where every surface are finished where the trouble closing the hull are done with allready when the inner panels are fit, where adding structure are compleatly different than fitting onto a tradisional deck and hull , ---- well if you never build a boat it is maby difficult to emagine that second thought in the design process realy matter, but if you did you know how much it mean that there are not the trouble "closing" the hull, that the boat is ready for an outboard when the hull inner and outher panels are fit, compared a tradisional open hull, where just fitting the deck , just fitting the edges for the structure is a huge job. Check out a compleatly different design aproach ;
tsunami longboat looks cool but there arnt any plans or specs and i def need both. The tolmaskiff looks ok but its not realy what im lookin for. I dont really need all that. Just a good quick boat that can carry 6 people without trouble across and opening into the bay/intercoastal. A cabin would be added later if at all.
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TBirdMan1986 wrote:> Ok Im def a newB to Boat building and such however my friend and i> would like to build a boat we could use around the intercoastal and
the ocean for short distances. I was hoping i could build one that> would fit up to 6 people. I would like it to be anywhere from 18 to
feet long. We played with the idea of jet propulsion but am not 100 %> sure thats a good idea. So if anyone could explain the different hull> designs and places i could go and get some designs for building a
power> boat that can move anywhere from 15 to 20 knots. Hold 6 people. Be> stable enough to withstand some waves (1-3 feet light/moderately> choppy).Relativley easy to build. Cost is an issue so hopefully it wont> cost too much. It soundslike im asking for alot. Any information and> help would be very appriciated.>
Marcus Davis a.k.a T-BirdMan
Well, I am surprised Jaques is not here yet... seeing as this time, he probably IS the place to start Anyway, go to bateau.com and contact them at the forums, he probably has something for you there..
If you refere "Sal's dad" you will know the air in this group I quote ;
"PS. You can safely ignore Pers. He's shown himself to be a single-minded nutcase dreamer. To date none of his boats have been built. "
Now if you go to the Cyber-Boat group , and some of the other Cyber-Boat groups you will se what is called foto's , --- these show a number of genuine wooden boats build and designed by Per Corell, acturly the Cyber-Boat groups count thousands of members , and fact is that in this group I posted numbers of foto's all documented by the plans avaible for free in the Cyber-Boat groups, -------- you can check the Lofoten-dinghie group you can check the Arandal group if any cheat in this group want it I can prove what Sal's dad's words are just by posting the links. Per Corell
"wtf" <skcusemans@eudoramail.com> wrote in message news:1110984730.441904.20640@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...> Well, I am surprised Jaques is not here yet... seeing as this time, he> probably IS the place to start Anyway, go to bateau.com and contact> them at the forums, he probably has something for you there..>
Scotty, the backyard renegade... retired...>
While you wait for Jacques, you can scan this site and dream a little.
You need to be a member of the different groups, case you are you can enter the "Foto's" section where you find a number of foto's of build boats.
These count the Lofoten dinghie the Arendal types the Holmsby type and various other small real wooden boats build while develobing the software used. A few of the designs are build and while refining the software at the danish states workshops for arts and crafts in copenhagen.
Per, I have joined several of your groups. I see a number of renderings, and a small number of pretty boat photos, apparently of "traditional" rather than honeycomb construction. But I am unable to find groups called "Lofoten-dinghie" or "Arandal".
Please provide specific links to any relevant photos. It would be helpful if you would provide a bit of narrative to accompany each photo, on the design process, lofting/layout, materials and techniques (and sailing/handling characteristics, if the boat has been launched).
Sal's Dad
<per.corell@privat.dk> wrote in message news:1111067303.060240.54090@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...> Hi>
You need to be a member of the different groups, case you are you can> enter the "Foto's" section where you find a number of foto's of build> boats.>
These count the Lofoten dinghie the Arendal types the Holmsby type and> various other small real wooden boats build while develobing the> software used. A few of the designs are build and while refining the> software at the danish states workshops for arts and crafts in> copenhagen.>
Rodney Myrvaagnes 17 March 2005 19:04:42 [ permanent link ]
On 16 Mar 2005 14:13:20 -0800, per.corell@privat.dk wrote:
If you refere "Sal's dad" you will know the air in this group I quote ;>
"PS. You can safely ignore Pers. He's shown himself to be a>single-minded>nutcase dreamer. To date none of his boats have been built. ">
Now if you go to the Cyber-Boat group , and some of the other>Cyber-Boat groups you will se what is called foto's , --- these show a>number of genuine wooden boats build and designed by Per Corell,>acturly the Cyber-Boat groups count thousands of members , and fact is>that in this group I posted numbers of foto's all documented by the>plans avaible for free in the Cyber-Boat groups, -------- you can check>the Lofoten-dinghie group you can check the Arandal group if any cheat>in this group want it I can prove what Sal's dad's words are just by>posting the links. >Per Corell
So why didn't you post the links?
Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a
"In this house we _obey_ the laws of thermodynamics." --Homer Simpson
OK Per, I've looked at all the links you've cited. Together with your earlier postings, I think these links make it clear that you are not to be taken seriously.
To save others the trouble, I've provided a summary of what I found:
Shows a number of CAD-type renderings, and photos of a very pretty completed small wooden boat, of what appears to be traditional lapstrake construction. No info on materials, construction technique, lofting/layout, or performance.
Then what are you just bored ,would it mean any difference if the groups carry any other thing. True there are a number of 3D CAD drawings, prove that there are better design tools than what you get for free, if you know anything about CAD if you can maneage to order a full-size plot, you also find the exact plans among the CAD files. And yes among the foto's there are documentation while these show the build boats, where your interest is to cheat and lie by posting that I never build any of these boats, all you prove by your calcus is that you are the cheat , your interest is not boatsbuilding.
Hi Now there are the difference between old and new technology --- if you talk about a Cyber-Boat you can scale it all directions all you want, but you need to scale it "equal" that mean double length double hight double wide , if you want it out of equal scale you would need to ask the designer to make the calculations as doing that make foults in the unfolded panels. Doing the same with tradisional drafting methods is a hell of a job even you scale equal, simply all drawings need to be redrawn where things like stability with a 3D drawing, is a matter of "asking" what the stability curve now fit. I could ansver your question about tar and oakum as I acturly master the art of caulking the old fasion way , but please forget about it you will not need it true it is an interesting issue but only for real oldtimers , -- you don't want to listen to the story if you don't want someone spitting tobacco all the time.
Hi Sorry you asked and you will get a short ansver without the fumes of grog ; The oakum are forced in loops between the planks so it stuff the gab from side to side not bottom up , for that you need 15 different types of caulking iron and made right the caulking can not be pulled out, --- it easily can if an amature done the job one that don't have the feel only heard about it, the tar is there not to make anything water tight, only to keep the caulking in place. Caulking is realy an art a great skill , you would know that in a wooden boat.
I'm sorry, I must have missed it. Which photo is of a boat built using the honeycomb construction technique? Be specific, please, as I am not very smart, or good at following directions.
<per.corell@privat.dk> wrote> And ???>
Then what are you just bored ,would it mean any difference if the> groups carry any other thing. True there are a number of 3D CAD> drawings, prove that there are better design tools than what you get> for free, if you know anything about CAD if you can maneage to order a> full-size plot, you also find the exact plans among the CAD files. And> yes among the foto's there are documentation while these show the build> boats, where your interest is to cheat and lie by posting that I never> build any of these boats, all you prove by your calcus is that you are> the cheat , your interest is not boatsbuilding.>
Bateau.com 20-24 foot power vee bottom No flat bottom for your intended boating Do not modify a plan, find the right boat for you in the first place Build your boat according to the designers suggested materials list
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TBirdMan1986 wrote:> Looking at the atkins plans i thaught id just give a liitle more info> on what i want. I like these two plans the Calypso and the walter piel.> I dont care much about flat vs v just want it big enough to carry 6> people. Want it to be powered well enough to travel around 20 knots.> Want it to be able to withstand a lightly choppy day in the bay/ gulf> (West Coast of florida/st petersburg) it would be cool if it was a> minimal cost type of thing but as far as looks and stuff not so rigid.> Flatback canoe that would fit all those descriptions would be fine.
anyone could help me narrow down my search to specific areas ie Dory> ect that would help. if anyone can figure out where i can get some> plans for a boat that i might be interested in it would be all the> better. I also have another question. If i find a boat i like but it
only say 14 feet long and i want it 20 and the sides only sit 1 foot> above waterline and i want it like 3 feet above waterline could i
make> it fit those demensions and it still work or no? also i have an older> book that discusses how to build small wooden boats and it says to
oakum and coal tar? what are each of these and how do they work? thx
Hi Brian you are quite right, this only show that with no real visions in life, you tend to act your reflections on web --- fact though that you are only displaying these in your own emagination.
Hi Brian please let me put it more specific. My experience is that in most groups some dryass usenet fanatic often with least knowleage about the group issue, display what's in his mind. Bored usenetlesness and what allway's make me give a strait reply, is that you know the world would be a better place without them .
