I hope none of you who believe in owning firearms don't subscribe to this lunatic point of view.
I think Ted fishes from a Fountain.
Ted Nugent to fellow NRAers: Get hardcore
HOUSTON =3F With an assault weapon in each hand, rocker and gun rights advocate Ted Nugent urged National Rifle Association members to be "hardcore, radical extremists demanding the right to self defense."
Speaking at the NRA's annual convention Saturday, Nugent said each NRA member should try to enroll 10 new members over the next year and associate only with other members.
"Let's next year sit here and say, 'Holy smokes, the NRA has 40 million members now,'" he said. "No one is allowed at our barbecues unless they are an NRA member. Do that in your life."
Nugent sang and played a guitar painted with red and white stripes for the crowd at Houston's downtown convention center.
He drew the most cheers when he told gun owners they should never give up their right to bear arms and should use their guns to protect themselves if needed.
"Remember the Alamo! Shoot 'em!" he screamed to applause. "To show you how radical I am, I want carjackers dead. I want rapists dead. I want burglars dead. I want child molesters dead. I want the bad guys dead. No court case. No parole. No early release. I want 'em dead. Get a gun and when they attack you, shoot 'em."
<gould0738@aol.com> wrote in message news:1113796132.459088.293770@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> Ted Nugent allegedly said:>
"Remember the Alamo! Shoot 'em!" he screamed to applause. "To show you> how radical I am, I want carjackers dead. I want rapists dead. I want> burglars dead. I want child molesters dead. I want the bad guys dead.> No> court case. No parole. No early release. I want 'em dead. Get a gun and>
when they attack you, shoot 'em.">
*******>
That's one sick MF'er.>
No trial? Just shoot and kill anybody you suspect may be guilty?>
Constitutional rights are now for gun owners only? Lynch mob firing> squads for suspected carjackers and burglers?>
Would you agree that it's fair to say that someone caught in the act of a carjacking or burglery or rape is more than a "suspect"?
jps wrote:> I hope none of you who believe in owning firearms don't subscribe to > this lunatic point of view.>
I think Ted fishes from a Fountain.>
Ted Nugent to fellow NRAers: Get hardcore >
HOUSTON =3F With an assault weapon in each hand, rocker and gun rights > advocate Ted Nugent urged National Rifle Association members to be > "hardcore, radical extremists demanding the right to self defense.">
Speaking at the NRA's annual convention Saturday, Nugent said each NRA > member should try to enroll 10 new members over the next year and > associate only with other members.>
"Let's next year sit here and say, 'Holy smokes, the NRA has 40 million > members now,'" he said. "No one is allowed at our barbecues unless they > are an NRA member. Do that in your life.">
Nugent sang and played a guitar painted with red and white stripes for > the crowd at Houston's downtown convention center.>
He drew the most cheers when he told gun owners they should never give > up their right to bear arms and should use their guns to protect > themselves if needed.>
"Remember the Alamo! Shoot 'em!" he screamed to applause. "To show you > how radical I am, I want carjackers dead. I want rapists dead. I want > burglars dead. I want child molesters dead. I want the bad guys dead. No > court case. No parole. No early release. I want 'em dead. Get a gun and > when they attack you, shoot 'em."
<gould0738@aol.com> wrote in message news:1113807098.827800.228290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...> Would you agree that it's fair to say that someone caught in the act of> a> carjacking or burglery or rape is more than a "suspect"?>
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I would say that a dead body doesn't have any chance to proclaim> innocence.>
In Nugent's world, all you would need to do to justify shooting> *anybody* would be to claim that they were trying to steal your car or> rape a woman.
I think I fall in the middle of this debate, Chuck, or at least I hope so. What a woman who *is* being raped, and manages to pull a gun from her purse? Would you expect her to think for a moment about whether she can shoot the guy in a way which will not be fatal, assuming he gets medical attention?
How about waking up to find an intruder in your home at 3:00 AM, and he's beligerent, but not showing a weapon YET? Would you spend a minute, perhaps trying to talk to him, and determine if he was a threat to your family, or just put him down?
Doug Kanter wrote:> <gould0738@aol.com> wrote in message > news:1113807098.827800.228290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...>
Would you agree that it's fair to say that someone caught in the act of>>a>>carjacking or burglery or rape is more than a "suspect"?>>
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I would say that a dead body doesn't have any chance to proclaim>>innocence.>>
In Nugent's world, all you would need to do to justify shooting>>*anybody* would be to claim that they were trying to steal your car or>>rape a woman.>
I think I fall in the middle of this debate, Chuck, or at least I hope so. > What a woman who *is* being raped, and manages to pull a gun from her purse? > Would you expect her to think for a moment about whether she can shoot the > guy in a way which will not be fatal, assuming he gets medical attention?>
How about waking up to find an intruder in your home at 3:00 AM, and he's > beligerent, but not showing a weapon YET? Would you spend a minute, perhaps > trying to talk to him, and determine if he was a threat to your family, or > just put him down? >
There's a difference between thinking someone is stealing your car, claiming someone is stealing your car, and someone actually stealing your car.
Rape and home invasion are different, in my mind. You're certainly entitled to protect yourself from a rapist or home invader.
Speaking of home invaders, I understand Tuuk bought himself a pistol:
"NOYB" <NOYB@NOYB.COM> wrote in message news:vsadnUBpy4fZrf7fRVn-gQ@comcast.com...>
<gould0738@aol.com> wrote in message > news:1113796132.459088.293770@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...>> Ted Nugent allegedly said:>>
"Remember the Alamo! Shoot 'em!" he screamed to applause. "To show you>> how radical I am, I want carjackers dead. I want rapists dead. I want>> burglars dead. I want child molesters dead. I want the bad guys dead.>> No>> court case. No parole. No early release. I want 'em dead. Get a gun and>>
when they attack you, shoot 'em.">>
*******>>
That's one sick MF'er.>>
No trial? Just shoot and kill anybody you suspect may be guilty?>>
Constitutional rights are now for gun owners only? Lynch mob firing>> squads for suspected carjackers and burglers?>>
Would you agree that it's fair to say that someone caught in the act of a > carjacking or burglery or rape is more than a "suspect"?
The liberals would call them an alleged suspect. We don't want to apply a negative label when all he was doing was just looking at his gun while he pulled you out your vehicle.>
Speaking of false accusations, did the cops tell you that Tuuk's comments did not qualify as assault?
"Harry.Krause" <harry.krause@gmail.com> wrote in message news:3chl5dF6kk6n7U1@individual.net...> There's a difference between thinking someone is stealing your car, > claiming someone is stealing your car, and someone actually stealing your > car.>
Rape and home invasion are different, in my mind. You're certainly > entitled to protect yourself from a rapist or home invader.>
Speaking of home invaders, I understand Tuuk bought himself a pistol:>
jps is an OT lunatic 18 April 2005 15:56:21 [ permanent link ]
On Sun, 17 Apr 2005, jps <trash@thedump.com> wrote:
More political ravings trying to destroy rec.boats.
I hope none of you who believe in owning firearms don't subscribe to >this lunatic point of view.>
I think Ted fishes from a Fountain.>
Ted Nugent to fellow NRAers: Get hardcore >
HOUSTON =3F With an assault weapon in each hand, rocker and gun rights >advocate Ted Nugent urged National Rifle Association members to be >"hardcore, radical extremists demanding the right to self defense.">
Speaking at the NRA's annual convention Saturday, Nugent said each NRA >member should try to enroll 10 new members over the next year and >associate only with other members.>
"Let's next year sit here and say, 'Holy smokes, the NRA has 40 million >members now,'" he said. "No one is allowed at our barbecues unless they >are an NRA member. Do that in your life.">
Nugent sang and played a guitar painted with red and white stripes for >the crowd at Houston's downtown convention center.>
He drew the most cheers when he told gun owners they should never give >up their right to bear arms and should use their guns to protect >themselves if needed.>
"Remember the Alamo! Shoot 'em!" he screamed to applause. "To show you >how radical I am, I want carjackers dead. I want rapists dead. I want >burglars dead. I want child molesters dead. I want the bad guys dead. No >court case. No parole. No early release. I want 'em dead. Get a gun and >when they attack you, shoot 'em."
<gould0738@aol.com> wrote in message news:1113807098.827800.228290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...> Would you agree that it's fair to say that someone caught in the act of> a> carjacking or burglery or rape is more than a "suspect"?>
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I would say that a dead body doesn't have any chance to proclaim> innocence.
Calling someone caught in the act of a crime guilty...........oh the humanity!!!!!!!!
If someone decides to break into my house, most especially at night, he/she will be the recipient of the contents of my Remington 12 gauge. Someone caught in the act raping my wife or daughter would get a treat also, but most likely the contents of my .270 Winchester.
They can proclaim their innocence to God. I am sure they will get a fair trial.
gould0738@aol.com wrote in news:1113796132.459088.293770@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Ted Nugent allegedly said:>
"Remember the Alamo! Shoot 'em!" he screamed to applause. "To show you> how radical I am, I want carjackers dead. I want rapists dead. I want> burglars dead. I want child molesters dead. I want the bad guys dead.> No> court case. No parole. No early release. I want 'em dead. Get a gun and>
when they attack you, shoot 'em.">
*******>
That's one sick MF'er.>
No trial? Just shoot and kill anybody you suspect may be guilty?>
Constitutional rights are now for gun owners only? Lynch mob firing> squads for suspected carjackers and burglers?
Apparently you have little ability to comprehend the phrase "WHEN THEY ATTACK YOU".
jps wrote:> I hope none of you who believe in owning firearms don't subscribe to > this lunatic point of view.>
I think Ted fishes from a Fountain.>
Ted Nugent to fellow NRAers: Get hardcore
snip
What a whacko! He makes a good case to ban the NRA. Up here anti biker gang laws were brought in to maaake it an offence to belong to one. Maybe the same is needed for the NRA. It seems to encourage the kooks.
gould0738@aol.com wrote:> If someone decides to break into my house, most especially at night,> he/she> will be the recipient of the contents of my Remington 12 gauge.>
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Assuming they haven't found it before you wake up, and use it on you,> instead.
They'd have to know where to look. Ain't so easy in the dark. I know exactly where to look.
This is what I keep handy at night. I used to have it on my boat in Florida, but we don't have many drug-running pirates hereabouts. Barrel's too short for clays, but is perfect for home invaders:
"Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:QZM8e.1736$rp4.786@news02.roc.ny...> <gould0738@aol.com> wrote in message > news:1113807098.827800.228290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...>> Would you agree that it's fair to say that someone caught in the act of>> a>> carjacking or burglery or rape is more than a "suspect"?>>
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I would say that a dead body doesn't have any chance to proclaim>> innocence.>>
In Nugent's world, all you would need to do to justify shooting>> *anybody* would be to claim that they were trying to steal your car or>> rape a woman.>
I think I fall in the middle of this debate, Chuck, or at least I hope so. > What a woman who *is* being raped, and manages to pull a gun from her > purse? Would you expect her to think for a moment about whether she can > shoot the guy in a way which will not be fatal, assuming he gets medical > attention?>
How about waking up to find an intruder in your home at 3:00 AM, and he's > beligerent, but not showing a weapon YET? Would you spend a minute, > perhaps trying to talk to him, and determine if he was a threat to your > family, or just put him down?
Chuck's reasoning: "You must allow a perpetrator to follow through with his actions, because only then will you know his intent. Punishing him for his actions once he commits them is up to a jury to decide...not the victim."
NOYB wrote:> "Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:QZM8e.1736$rp4.786@news02.roc.ny...>
<gould0738@aol.com> wrote in message >>news:1113807098.827800.228290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...>>
Would you agree that it's fair to say that someone caught in the act of>>>a>>>carjacking or burglery or rape is more than a "suspect"?>>>
************************>>>
I would say that a dead body doesn't have any chance to proclaim>>>innocence.>>>
In Nugent's world, all you would need to do to justify shooting>>>*anybody* would be to claim that they were trying to steal your car or>>>rape a woman.>>
I think I fall in the middle of this debate, Chuck, or at least I hope so. >>What a woman who *is* being raped, and manages to pull a gun from her >>purse? Would you expect her to think for a moment about whether she can >>shoot the guy in a way which will not be fatal, assuming he gets medical >>attention?>>
How about waking up to find an intruder in your home at 3:00 AM, and he's >>beligerent, but not showing a weapon YET? Would you spend a minute, >>perhaps trying to talk to him, and determine if he was a threat to your >>family, or just put him down?>
Chuck's reasoning: "You must allow a perpetrator to follow through with his > actions, because only then will you know his intent. Punishing him for his > actions once he commits them is up to a jury to decide...not the victim.">
In Maryland, the rule says that if you are awakened at 3 am by a burglar with the scent of Thai food on his breath, you are entitled to shoot first and skip the quiestions
"Doug Kanter" <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:QZM8e.1736$rp4.786@news02.roc.ny...>>
<gould0738@aol.com> wrote in message >>> news:1113807098.827800.228290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...>>>
Would you agree that it's fair to say that someone caught in the act of>>>> a>>>> carjacking or burglery or rape is more than a "suspect"?>>>>
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I would say that a dead body doesn't have any chance to proclaim>>>> innocence.>>>>
In Nugent's world, all you would need to do to justify shooting>>>> *anybody* would be to claim that they were trying to steal your car or>>>> rape a woman.>>>
I think I fall in the middle of this debate, Chuck, or at least I >>> hope so. What a woman who *is* being raped, and manages to pull a gun >>> from her purse? Would you expect her to think for a moment about >>> whether she can shoot the guy in a way which will not be fatal, >>> assuming he gets medical attention?>>>
How about waking up to find an intruder in your home at 3:00 AM, and >>> he's beligerent, but not showing a weapon YET? Would you spend a >>> minute, perhaps trying to talk to him, and determine if he was a >>> threat to your family, or just put him down?>>
Chuck's reasoning: "You must allow a perpetrator to follow through >> with his actions, because only then will you know his intent. >> Punishing him for his actions once he commits them is up to a jury to >> decide...not the victim.">>
In Maryland, the rule says that if you are awakened at 3 am by a burglar > with the scent of Thai food on his breath, you are entitled to shoot > first and skip the quiestions>
jps wrote:> In article <AEO8e.16188$Ln.746151@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, > whited@ns.sympatico.ca says...>
jps wrote:>>
I hope none of you who believe in owning firearms don't subscribe to >>>this lunatic point of view.>>>
I think Ted fishes from a Fountain.>>>
Ted Nugent to fellow NRAers: Get hardcore >>
snip>>
What a whacko! He makes a good case to ban the NRA. Up here anti biker >>gang laws were brought in to maaake it an offence to belong to one. >>Maybe the same is needed for the NRA. It seems to encourage the kooks.>
Politicians in America like a certain amount of unrest and danger in the > population.>
It gives them a pulpit to stand on and make claims about how they're > going to control it.>
This is especially true with the "Christian" right. They're going to > make us all better by restoring family values to American society, while > they promote interests that serve themselves and their friends.>
Nice little tradeoff. Think Ralph Reed, Jack Abromoff, Tom DeLay...
"Christians" are the reason Jesus never converted. He couldn't stand them, either.
<gould0738@aol.com> wrote in message >news:1113807098.827800.228290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...>> Would you agree that it's fair to say that someone caught in the act of>> a>> carjacking or burglery or rape is more than a "suspect"?>>
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I would say that a dead body doesn't have any chance to proclaim>> innocence.>>
In Nugent's world, all you would need to do to justify shooting>> *anybody* would be to claim that they were trying to steal your car or>> rape a woman.>
I think I fall in the middle of this debate, Chuck, or at least I hope so. >What a woman who *is* being raped, and manages to pull a gun from her purse? >Would you expect her to think for a moment about whether she can shoot the >guy in a way which will not be fatal, assuming he gets medical attention?>
How about waking up to find an intruder in your home at 3:00 AM, and he's >beligerent, but not showing a weapon YET? Would you spend a minute, perhaps >trying to talk to him, and determine if he was a threat to your family, or >just put him down?
Here in Massachusetts Lite, the house owner has the obligation to not confront the intruder and actually not defend your own home by being required to vacate the premises.
Massachusetts has the same law.
Here as Casa de Shortwave, the dogs take care of those kind of things for me - it's much simpler. :>)
<gould0738@aol.com> wrote in message >>news:1113807098.827800.228290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...>>
Would you agree that it's fair to say that someone caught in the act of>>>a>>>carjacking or burglery or rape is more than a "suspect"?>>>
************************>>>
I would say that a dead body doesn't have any chance to proclaim>>>innocence.>>>
In Nugent's world, all you would need to do to justify shooting>>>*anybody* would be to claim that they were trying to steal your car or>>>rape a woman.>>
I think I fall in the middle of this debate, Chuck, or at least I hope so. >>What a woman who *is* being raped, and manages to pull a gun from her purse? >>Would you expect her to think for a moment about whether she can shoot the >>guy in a way which will not be fatal, assuming he gets medical attention?>>
How about waking up to find an intruder in your home at 3:00 AM, and he's >>beligerent, but not showing a weapon YET? Would you spend a minute, perhaps >>trying to talk to him, and determine if he was a threat to your family, or >>just put him down? >
Here in Massachusetts Lite, the house owner has the obligation to not> confront the intruder and actually not defend your own home by being> required to vacate the premises.>
Massachusetts has the same law.>
Here as Casa de Shortwave, the dogs take care of those kind of things> for me - it's much simpler. :>)>
Later,>
All you have to do is ask the intruder "Excuse me, but do you intend to do me of my family bodily harm, or just rob us". If (S)he says just rob you, leave him alone, if he says bodily harm, ask him to sign a document saying this, then blast away.
Short Wave Sportfishing 18 April 2005 20:19:02 [ permanent link ]
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:13:19 GMT, "Jim," <Jimdotedu@yahoo.com> wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
~~ snippage ~~
Here in Massachusetts Lite, the house owner has the obligation to not>> confront the intruder and actually not defend your own home by being>> required to vacate the premises.>>
Massachusetts has the same law.>>
Here as Casa de Shortwave, the dogs take care of those kind of things>> for me - it's much simpler. :>)>>
All you have to do is ask the intruder "Excuse me, but do you intend >to do me of my family bodily harm, or just rob us". If (S)he says just >rob you, leave him alone, if he says bodily harm, ask him to sign a >document saying this, then blast away.
It's still easier to let the dogs handle it. The last time we had a breakin, they pinned the kid in the corner of the garage and wouldn't let him leave.
"Short Wave Sportfishing" <emaildisguised@askme.com> wrote in message news:dom7611fpfd4artmq4ijekpp5bhek2hq9a@4ax.com...> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 11:37:20 GMT, "Doug Kanter"> <ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote:>
<gould0738@aol.com> wrote in message>>news:1113807098.827800.228290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...>>> Would you agree that it's fair to say that someone caught in the act of>>> a>>> carjacking or burglery or rape is more than a "suspect"?>>>
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I would say that a dead body doesn't have any chance to proclaim>>> innocence.>>>
In Nugent's world, all you would need to do to justify shooting>>> *anybody* would be to claim that they were trying to steal your car or>>> rape a woman.>>
I think I fall in the middle of this debate, Chuck, or at least I hope so.>>What a woman who *is* being raped, and manages to pull a gun from her >>purse?>>Would you expect her to think for a moment about whether she can shoot the>>guy in a way which will not be fatal, assuming he gets medical attention?>>
How about waking up to find an intruder in your home at 3:00 AM, and he's>>beligerent, but not showing a weapon YET? Would you spend a minute, >>perhaps>>trying to talk to him, and determine if he was a threat to your family, or>>just put him down?>
Here in Massachusetts Lite, the house owner has the obligation to not> confront the intruder and actually not defend your own home by being> required to vacate the premises.>
Massachusetts has the same law.>
Here as Casa de Shortwave, the dogs take care of those kind of things> for me - it's much simpler. :>)>
Later,>
I think that a court of law which would convict you for shooting someone would do the same if you allowed your dogs to kill the slob. At least here in Monroe County NY, that's how the court's been interpreting things, although that's only been for instances where a dog attacks or kills someone who's just walking down the street. That's different, so never mind.
On the other hand, a guy got in trouble last year, but only briefly, when he shot a dog which had just gotten its mouth around a lady's leg. His argument, in court, was that he'd seen an interview on the evening news with a cop who'd done the exact same thing. The court said "Yeah...OK", and the guy went on his merry way.
<gould0738@aol.com> wrote in message >>>news:1113807098.827800.228290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...>>>
Would you agree that it's fair to say that someone caught in the act of>>>>a>>>>carjacking or burglery or rape is more than a "suspect"?>>>>
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I would say that a dead body doesn't have any chance to proclaim>>>>innocence.>>>>
In Nugent's world, all you would need to do to justify shooting>>>>*anybody* would be to claim that they were trying to steal your car or>>>>rape a woman.>>>
I think I fall in the middle of this debate, Chuck, or at least I hope >>>so. What a woman who *is* being raped, and manages to pull a gun from her >>>purse? Would you expect her to think for a moment about whether she can >>>shoot the guy in a way which will not be fatal, assuming he gets medical >>>attention?>>>
How about waking up to find an intruder in your home at 3:00 AM, and he's >>>beligerent, but not showing a weapon YET? Would you spend a minute, >>>perhaps trying to talk to him, and determine if he was a threat to your >>>family, or just put him down?>>
Here in Massachusetts Lite, the house owner has the obligation to not>> confront the intruder and actually not defend your own home by being>> required to vacate the premises.>>
Massachusetts has the same law.>>
Here as Casa de Shortwave, the dogs take care of those kind of things>> for me - it's much simpler. :>)>>
Later,>>
All you have to do is ask the intruder "Excuse me, but do you intend to > do me of my family bodily harm, or just rob us". If (S)he says just rob > you, leave him alone, if he says bodily harm, ask him to sign a document > saying this, then blast away.
Correction: If he says "Just rob you", you hold him at gunpoint, have someone in the family go get a handful of gauze pads and a dropcloth, toss them in the guy's direction, and then shoot him in the thigh.
If terror wasn't sometimes useful, the creator wouldn't have made us with the ability to experience it.
<gould0738@aol.com> wrote in message news:1113836447.920593.266230@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...>I think I fall in the middle of this debate, Chuck, or at least I hope> so.> What a woman who *is* being raped, and manages to pull a gun from her> purse?> Would you expect her to think for a moment about whether she can shoot> the> guy in a way which will not be fatal, assuming he gets medical> attention?>
How about waking up to find an intruder in your home at 3:00 AM, and> he's> beligerent, but not showing a weapon YET? Would you spend a minute,> perhaps> trying to talk to him, and determine if he was a threat to your family,> or> just put him down?>
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Nugent's remarks go well beyond justifiable self defense. He said that> certain types of people should be shot without trial. That implies that> others, (beyond immediate victims),> should have the right to, (for example), hunt down and kill Joe Blow> because Tina Tennie Bop> wants to explain her mysteriorusly expanding belly with "I was raped by> Joe Blow." If Tina Teenie Bop were Nugent's daughter, under his moral> code he would be justified in hunting down Joe Blow and putting a> bullet between his eyes- no trial, no defense, no investigation, just> the strength of an accusation.>
And, puleeze....a vigilante firing squad for suspected car thieves?>
We had a case just like that here in Washington. A guy woke up one> morning to see one of his two cars driving off his property. He grabbed> his gun, jumped in the other car, and followed his stolen car for 15-20> minutes over several miles.
That's where he made his mistake. He should have shot him within 5 minutes. He caused 10-15 minutes of needless, undue suffering for that teenage mutant.
"Jim," <Jimdotedu@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:z0R8e.3500$XF3.1926@twister.nyroc.rr.com...>
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:>>
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 11:37:20 GMT, "Doug Kanter">>><ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote:>>>
<gould0738@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>news:1113807098.827800.228290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...>>>>
Would you agree that it's fair to say that someone caught in the act of>>>>>a>>>>>carjacking or burglery or rape is more than a "suspect"?>>>>>
************************>>>>>
I would say that a dead body doesn't have any chance to proclaim>>>>>innocence.>>>>>
In Nugent's world, all you would need to do to justify shooting>>>>>*anybody* would be to claim that they were trying to steal your car or>>>>>rape a woman.>>>>
I think I fall in the middle of this debate, Chuck, or at least I hope >>>>so. What a woman who *is* being raped, and manages to pull a gun from her >>>>purse? Would you expect her to think for a moment about whether she can >>>>shoot the guy in a way which will not be fatal, assuming he gets medical >>>>attention?>>>>
How about waking up to find an intruder in your home at 3:00 AM, and he's >>>>beligerent, but not showing a weapon YET? Would you spend a minute, >>>>perhaps trying to talk to him, and determine if he was a threat to your >>>>family, or just put him down?>>>
Here in Massachusetts Lite, the house owner has the obligation to not>>>confront the intruder and actually not defend your own home by being>>>required to vacate the premises.>>>
Massachusetts has the same law.>>>
Here as Casa de Shortwave, the dogs take care of those kind of things>>>for me - it's much simpler. :>)>>>
Later,>>>
All you have to do is ask the intruder "Excuse me, but do you intend to >>do me of my family bodily harm, or just rob us". If (S)he says just rob >>you, leave him alone, if he says bodily harm, ask him to sign a document >>saying this, then blast away.>
Correction: If he says "Just rob you", you hold him at gunpoint, have > someone in the family go get a handful of gauze pads and a dropcloth, toss > them in the guy's direction, and then shoot him in the thigh.>
If terror wasn't sometimes useful, the creator wouldn't have made us with > the ability to experience it. >
If you shoot him in the thigh in NYS, he'll sue you and collect disability for the rest of his life. There have been incidents where a robber sued because he injured himself in the act of robbery, and won.
If you shoot, shoot to kill. Far less expen$ive than wounding.
<gould0738@aol.com> wrote in message news:1113796132.459088.293770@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> Ted Nugent allegedly said:>
"Remember the Alamo! Shoot 'em!" he screamed to applause. "To show you> how radical I am, I want carjackers dead. I want rapists dead. I want> burglars dead. I want child molesters dead. I want the bad guys dead.> No> court case. No parole. No early release. I want 'em dead. Get a gun and>
when they attack you, shoot 'em.">
*******>
That's one sick MF'er.>
No trial? Just shoot and kill anybody you suspect may be guilty?>
Constitutional rights are now for gun owners only? Lynch mob firing> squads for suspected carjackers and burglers?>
That, ladies and gentlemen, is the voice of fascism.>
Zeig Heil, Nugent.>
Where did he say no trial, Chuck? He stated he wanted them dead. And if you catch them in the act, shoot them dead. Which is a perfectly legal thing to do.
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:>>>Here in Massachusetts Lite, the house owner has the obligation to not>>>confront the intruder and actually not defend your own home by being>>>required to vacate the premises.>>>
Massachusetts has the same law.
I've read about places with this kind of law; referred to as "maximum retreat" states.
Here as Casa de Shortwave, the dogs take care of those kind of things>>>for me - it's much simpler. :>)>>>
Actually, you could be in even bigger trouble for having a dangerous dog.
All you have to do is ask the intruder "Excuse me, but do you intend to >>do me of my family bodily harm, or just rob us". If (S)he says just rob >>you, leave him alone, if he says bodily harm, ask him to sign a document >>saying this, then blast away.>
Or keep a cheap handgun in a baggie, carefully cleaned of all fingerprints. Shoot the burglar, carefully put the gun in his dead hand, then go back to bed ;)
Doug Kanter wrote:> Correction: If he says "Just rob you", you hold him at gunpoint, have > someone in the family go get a handful of gauze pads and a dropcloth, toss > them in the guy's direction, and then shoot him in the thigh.>
If terror wasn't sometimes useful, the creator wouldn't have made us with > the ability to experience it. >
You're assuming that the bad guy has some future potential contribution to society which might be worth preserving.
It does make me wonder if you can prove good faith by doing first aid on the guy you just shot. Cops have to do this fairly often.
<gould0738@aol.com> wrote in message news:1113837242.824633.192980@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...> Apparently you have little ability to comprehend the phrase "WHEN THEY> ATTACK YOU".>
**********>
Apparently you have little ability to read that phrase in context> or give equal weight to the rest of his remarks.>
"I want the bad guys dead. No court case. No parole. No early release.> I want 'em dead.">
"No court case, I want 'em dead," certainly includes going down to the> jailhouse, finding out who has been accused of carjacking, child> molesting, etc etc etc and then lining the folks up against a wall and> shooting them. All those applauding the act will be glad that the> taxpayers were saved the "expense" of a trial.
"NOYB" <noyb@noyb.com> wrote in message news:%cR8e.9464$go4.6413@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...>
<gould0738@aol.com> wrote in message > news:1113836447.920593.266230@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...>>I think I fall in the middle of this debate, Chuck, or at least I hope>> so.>> What a woman who *is* being raped, and manages to pull a gun from her>> purse?>> Would you expect her to think for a moment about whether she can shoot>> the>> guy in a way which will not be fatal, assuming he gets medical>> attention?>>
How about waking up to find an intruder in your home at 3:00 AM, and>> he's>> beligerent, but not showing a weapon YET? Would you spend a minute,>> perhaps>> trying to talk to him, and determine if he was a threat to your family,>> or>> just put him down?>>
***************>>
Nugent's remarks go well beyond justifiable self defense. He said that>> certain types of people should be shot without trial. That implies that>> others, (beyond immediate victims),>> should have the right to, (for example), hunt down and kill Joe Blow>> because Tina Tennie Bop>> wants to explain her mysteriorusly expanding belly with "I was raped by>> Joe Blow." If Tina Teenie Bop were Nugent's daughter, under his moral>> code he would be justified in hunting down Joe Blow and putting a>> bullet between his eyes- no trial, no defense, no investigation, just>> the strength of an accusation.>>
And, puleeze....a vigilante firing squad for suspected car thieves?>>
We had a case just like that here in Washington. A guy woke up one>> morning to see one of his two cars driving off his property. He grabbed>> his gun, jumped in the other car, and followed his stolen car for 15-20>> minutes over several miles.>
That's where he made his mistake. He should have shot him within 5 > minutes. He caused 10-15 minutes of needless, undue suffering for that > teenage mutant.>
If you find yourself in that exact situation, I think you should follow your own advice immediately.
In article <MvP8e.70917$UW6.46987@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, dsk@dontbotherme.com says...
I would prefer to have fewer loud mouthed hypocrits, another category > that definitely includes Ted Nugent, but shooting them seems a little > extreme.>
DSK
One of my friends is promoting (in jest) that we shoot all extremists.
Not optimal but perhaps the best answer I've heard in a while.
"Short Wave Sportfishing" <emaildisguised@askme.com> wrote in message news:qfn761ha4caev9t18rfhodim5iqq44sera@4ax.com...> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 16:13:19 GMT, "Jim," <Jimdotedu@yahoo.com> wrote:>
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:>
~~ snippage ~~>
Here in Massachusetts Lite, the house owner has the obligation to not>>> confront the intruder and actually not defend your own home by being>>> required to vacate the premises.>>>
Massachusetts has the same law.>>>
Here as Casa de Shortwave, the dogs take care of those kind of things>>> for me - it's much simpler. :>)>>>
All you have to do is ask the intruder "Excuse me, but do you intend>>to do me of my family bodily harm, or just rob us". If (S)he says just>>rob you, leave him alone, if he says bodily harm, ask him to sign a>>document saying this, then blast away.>
It's still easier to let the dogs handle it. The last time we had a> breakin, they pinned the kid in the corner of the garage and wouldn't> let him leave.>
The kid peed and pooped his pants.>
Funny as hell. :>)>
Later,>
Tom
Did you get to meet his parents, or did the cops come and get him?
"Jim," <Jimdotedu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:SdR8e.3509$XF3.2202@twister.nyroc.rr.com...> Doug Kanter wrote:>
"Jim," <Jimdotedu@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:z0R8e.3500$XF3.1926@twister.nyroc.rr.com...>>
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:>>>
On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 11:37:20 GMT, "Doug Kanter">>>><ancientangler@hotmail.com> wrote:>>>>
<gould0738@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:1113807098.827800.228290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...>>>>>
Would you agree that it's fair to say that someone caught in the act >>>>>>of>>>>>>a>>>>>>carjacking or burglery or rape is more than a "suspect"?>>>>>>
************************>>>>>>
I would say that a dead body doesn't have any chance to proclaim>>>>>>innocence.>>>>>>
In Nugent's world, all you would need to do to justify shooting>>>>>>*anybody* would be to claim that they were trying to steal your car or>>>>>>rape a woman.>>>>>
I think I fall in the middle of this debate, Chuck, or at least I hope >>>>>so. What a woman who *is* being raped, and manages to pull a gun from >>>>>her purse? Would you expect her to think for a moment about whether she >>>>>can shoot the guy in a way which will not be fatal, assuming he gets >>>>>medical attention?>>>>>
How about waking up to find an intruder in your home at 3:00 AM, and >>>>>he's beligerent, but not showing a weapon YET? Would you spend a >>>>>minute, perhaps trying to talk to him, and determine if he was a threat >>>>>to your family, or just put him down?>>>>
Here in Massachusetts Lite, the house owner has the obligation to not>>>>confront the intruder and actually not defend your own home by being>>>>required to vacate the premises.>>>>
Massachusetts has the same law.>>>>
Here as Casa de Shortwave, the dogs take care of those kind of things>>>>for me - it's much simpler. :>)>>>>
Later,>>>>
All you have to do is ask the intruder "Excuse me, but do you intend to >>>do me of my family bodily harm, or just rob us". If (S)he says just rob >>>you, leave him alone, if he says bodily harm, ask him to sign a document >>>saying this, then blast away.>>
Correction: If he says "Just rob you", you hold him at gunpoint, have >> someone in the family go get a handful of gauze pads and a dropcloth, >> toss them in the guy's direction, and then shoot him in the thigh.>>
If terror wasn't sometimes useful, the creator wouldn't have made us with >> the ability to experience it.> If you shoot him in the thigh in NYS, he'll sue you and collect disability > for the rest of his life. There have been incidents where a robber sued > because he injured himself in the act of robbery, and won.>
If you shoot, shoot to kill. Far less expen$ive than wounding.
I wonder what the cops would say if they arrived and found you'd asked the perp to step onto a liquid-proof tarp before shooting him. Have you seen the price of good carpet lately? Jeeeez!
In article <nlR8e.8888$sp3.7698@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, bmckeespam@ix.netcom.com says...
Where did he say no trial, Chuck? He stated he wanted them dead. And if > you catch them in the act, shoot them dead. Which is a perfectly legal > thing to do.
Yes, and according to Bush's attorney Gonzales, we can torture with impunity?
<gould0738@aol.com> wrote in message news:1113845460.121429.144960@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...>?>
Or sheriff>
**>
The perils of posting without spell check
That's OK. You're not alone. There are 103,000 hits on google for "sherrif"...and many of the misspellings are on the web pages of county sheriff offices.
"Don White" <whited@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:AEO8e.16188$Ln.746151@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...> jps wrote:>> I hope none of you who believe in owning firearms don't subscribe to this >> lunatic point of view.>>
I think Ted fishes from a Fountain.>>
Ted Nugent to fellow NRAers: Get hardcore> snip>
What a whacko! He makes a good case to ban the NRA. Up here anti biker > gang laws were brought in to maaake it an offence to belong to one. Maybe > the same is needed for the NRA. It seems to encourage the kooks.
Canada does not believe in freedom of association? And the NRA was formed as a quasi government entity in the beginning.
"jps" <trash@thedump.com> wrote in message news:MPG.1ccd8d51ac5246c59897d5@news.seanet.com...> In article <MvP8e.70917$UW6.46987@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,> dsk@dontbotherme.com says...>
I would prefer to have fewer loud mouthed hypocrits, another category>> that definitely includes Ted Nugent, but shooting them seems a little>> extreme.>>
One of my friends is promoting (in jest) that we shoot all extremists.>
Not optimal but perhaps the best answer I've heard in a while.>
In article <58T8e.11767$44.8012@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, bmckeespam@ix.netcom.com says...>
"jps" <trash@thedump.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.1ccd8d51ac5246c59897d5@news.seanet.com...> > In article <MvP8e.70917$UW6.46987@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,> > dsk@dontbotherme.com says...> >
I would prefer to have fewer loud mouthed hypocrits, another category> >> that definitely includes Ted Nugent, but shooting them seems a little> >> extreme.> >>
One of my friends is promoting (in jest) that we shoot all extremists.> >
Not optimal but perhaps the best answer I've heard in a while.> >
You better hide when he comes around.
Although I'm certain this'll come as a surprise to you, the most extreme thing about me is the volume of gas I can produce in a single day. I wish I could distill it and power my twin 454s with it.
The other notable item is that I'll kill mosquitos with extreme prejudice, sans provocation.
"Harry.Krause" <harry.krause@gmail.com> wrote in message news:3ci285F6li7jbU1@individual.net...> gould0738@aol.com wrote:>> If someone decides to break into my house, most especially at night,>> he/she>> will be the recipient of the contents of my Remington 12 gauge.>>
*********>>
Assuming they haven't found it before you wake up, and use it on you,>> instead.>
They'd have to know where to look. Ain't so easy in the dark. I know > exactly where to look.>
This is what I keep handy at night. I used to have it on my boat in > Florida, but we don't have many drug-running pirates hereabouts. Barrel's > too short for clays, but is perfect for home invaders:>
"Don White" <whited@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:AEO8e.16188$Ln.746151@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...> jps wrote:>> I hope none of you who believe in owning firearms don't subscribe to this >> lunatic point of view.>>
I think Ted fishes from a Fountain.>>
Ted Nugent to fellow NRAers: Get hardcore> snip>
What a whacko! He makes a good case to ban the NRA. Up here anti biker > gang laws were brought in to maaake it an offence to belong to one. Maybe > the same is needed for the NRA. It seems to encourage the kooks.
Bert Robbins wrote:> "Harry.Krause" <harry.krause@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:3ci285F6li7jbU1@individual.net...>
gould0738@aol.com wrote:>>
If someone decides to break into my house, most especially at night,>>>he/she>>>will be the recipient of the contents of my Remington 12 gauge.>>>
*********>>>
Assuming they haven't found it before you wake up, and use it on you,>>>instead.>>
They'd have to know where to look. Ain't so easy in the dark. I know >>exactly where to look.>>
This is what I keep handy at night. I used to have it on my boat in >>Florida, but we don't have many drug-running pirates hereabouts. Barrel's >>too short for clays, but is perfect for home invaders:>>
Holds six in the mag. Enough to remove anyone's head.>
Shinny weapons are for show. Only buy blued or black matte finished > firearms.>
This was the shotgun I used to keep on my boat in Florida. It's mostly stainless steel on the outside, and sold, if memory serves, as the "marine" version. Marine as in boats, not grunts.
In any event, it shoots nicely, and is easy to handle indoors. Many of the floors in our house are finished in hard tile, so stains are easy to remove.
I have firearms with a non-shiny finish. But it doesn't serve my purpose to discuss them.
"Bert Robbins" <screw@you.com> wrote in message news:1dydnex4vtmN1vnfRVn-1A@comcast.com...>
"Harry.Krause" <harry.krause@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:3ci285F6li7jbU1@individual.net...>> gould0738@aol.com wrote:>>> If someone decides to break into my house, most especially at night,>>> he/she>>> will be the recipient of the contents of my Remington 12 gauge.>>>
*********>>>
Assuming they haven't found it before you wake up, and use it on you,>>> instead.>>
They'd have to know where to look. Ain't so easy in the dark. I know >> exactly where to look.>>
This is what I keep handy at night. I used to have it on my boat in >> Florida, but we don't have many drug-running pirates hereabouts. Barrel's >> too short for clays, but is perfect for home invaders:>>
Doug Kanter wrote:> "Bert Robbins" <screw@you.com> wrote in message > news:1dydnex4vtmN1vnfRVn-1A@comcast.com...>
"Harry.Krause" <harry.krause@gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:3ci285F6li7jbU1@individual.net...>>
gould0738@aol.com wrote:>>>
If someone decides to break into my house, most especially at night,>>>>he/she>>>>will be the recipient of the contents of my Remington 12 gauge.>>>>
*********>>>>
Assuming they haven't found it before you wake up, and use it on you,>>>>instead.>>>
They'd have to know where to look. Ain't so easy in the dark. I know >>>exactly where to look.>>>
This is what I keep handy at night. I used to have it on my boat in >>>Florida, but we don't have many drug-running pirates hereabouts. Barrel's >>>too short for clays, but is perfect for home invaders:>>>
"Harry.Krause" <harry.krause@gmail.com> wrote in message news:3cj0jgF6p6s3nU1@individual.net...> Bert Robbins wrote:>> "Harry.Krause" <harry.krause@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:3ci285F6li7jbU1@individual.net...>>
gould0738@aol.com wrote:>>>
If someone decides to break into my house, most especially at night,>>>>he/she>>>>will be the recipient of the contents of my Remington 12 gauge.>>>>
*********>>>>
Assuming they haven't found it before you wake up, and use it on you,>>>>instead.>>>
They'd have to know where to look. Ain't so easy in the dark. I know >>>exactly where to look.>>>
This is what I keep handy at night. I used to have it on my boat in >>>Florida, but we don't have many drug-running pirates hereabouts. Barrel's >>>too short for clays, but is perfect for home invaders:>>>
Holds six in the mag. Enough to remove anyone's head.>>
Shinny weapons are for show. Only buy blued or black matte finished >> firearms.>>
This was the shotgun I used to keep on my boat in Florida. It's mostly > stainless steel on the outside, and sold, if memory serves, as the > "marine" version. Marine as in boats, not grunts.
Rust finds places to attack and the only method of keeping rust away from your weapons is to clean them on a regulear basis. Keeping a firearm on a boat when you are not there is just asking to have it stolen.
In any event, it shoots nicely, and is easy to handle indoors. Many of the > floors in our house are finished in hard tile, so stains are easy to > remove.
Put the Pachmayrs on it, specifically the pistol grip and get a box of 00 magnums.
I have firearms with a non-shiny finish. But it doesn't serve my purpose > to discuss them.
You only need one, and it shouldn't be one of those useless 9mm's.
You still shoot?
I have a few that I take out and blast a few targets every once in a while.
Bert Robbins wrote:> "Harry.Krause" <harry.krause@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:3cj0jgF6p6s3nU1@individual.net...>
Bert Robbins wrote:>>
"Harry.Krause" <harry.krause@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>news:3ci285F6li7jbU1@individual.net...>>>
gould0738@aol.com wrote:>>>>
If someone decides to break into my house, most especially at night,>>>>>he/she>>>>>will be the recipient of the contents of my Remington 12 gauge.>>>>>
*********>>>>>
Assuming they haven't found it before you wake up, and use it on you,>>>>>instead.>>>>
They'd have to know where to look. Ain't so easy in the dark. I know >>>>exactly where to look.>>>>
This is what I keep handy at night. I used to have it on my boat in >>>>Florida, but we don't have many drug-running pirates hereabouts. Barrel's >>>>too short for clays, but is perfect for home invaders:>>>>
Holds six in the mag. Enough to remove anyone's head.>>>
Shinny weapons are for show. Only buy blued or black matte finished >>>firearms.>>>
This was the shotgun I used to keep on my boat in Florida. It's mostly >>stainless steel on the outside, and sold, if memory serves, as the >>"marine" version. Marine as in boats, not grunts.>
Rust finds places to attack and the only method of keeping rust away from > your weapons is to clean them on a regulear basis. Keeping a firearm on a > boat when you are not there is just asking to have it stolen.>
In any event, it shoots nicely, and is easy to handle indoors. Many of the >>floors in our house are finished in hard tile, so stains are easy to >>remove.>
Put the Pachmayrs on it, specifically the pistol grip and get a box of 00 > magnums.>
I have firearms with a non-shiny finish. But it doesn't serve my purpose >>to discuss them.>
You only need one, and it shouldn't be one of those useless 9mm's.>
You still shoot?>
I have a few that I take out and blast a few targets every once in a while. >
A useless 9 mm? They're quite useful in close-in defense if you know how to shoot. I don't much buy into the "you need at least a .40 or a .45 or a 10 mm." A good 9 mm fires faster, with less muzzle flip.
I thought you were for banning all handguns. What changed your mind?
"Harry.Krause" <harry.krause@gmail.com> wrote in message news:3cj61aF6mtm3sU1@individual.net...> Bert Robbins wrote:>> "Harry.Krause" <harry.krause@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:3cj0jgF6p6s3nU1@individual.net...>>
Bert Robbins wrote:>>>
"Harry.Krause" <harry.krause@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>news:3ci285F6li7jbU1@individual.net...>>>>
gould0738@aol.com wrote:>>>>>
If someone decides to break into my house, most especially at night,>>>>>>he/she>>>>>>will be the recipient of the contents of my Remington 12 gauge.>>>>>>
*********>>>>>>
Assuming they haven't found it before you wake up, and use it on you,>>>>>>instead.>>>>>
They'd have to know where to look. Ain't so easy in the dark. I know >>>>>exactly where to look.>>>>>
This is what I keep handy at night. I used to have it on my boat in >>>>>Florida, but we don't have many drug-running pirates hereabouts. >>>>>Barrel's too short for clays, but is perfect for home invaders:>>>>>
Holds six in the mag. Enough to remove anyone's head.>>>>
Shinny weapons are for show. Only buy blued or black matte finished >>>>firearms.>>>>
This was the shotgun I used to keep on my boat in Florida. It's mostly >>>stainless steel on the outside, and sold, if memory serves, as the >>>"marine" version. Marine as in boats, not grunts.>>
Rust finds places to attack and the only method of keeping rust away from >> your weapons is to clean them on a regulear basis. Keeping a firearm on a >> boat when you are not there is just asking to have it stolen.>>
In any event, it shoots nicely, and is easy to handle indoors. Many of >>>the floors in our house are finished in hard tile, so stains are easy to >>>remove.>>
Put the Pachmayrs on it, specifically the pistol grip and get a box of 00 >> magnums.>>
I have firearms with a non-shiny finish. But it doesn't serve my purpose >>>to discuss them.>>
You only need one, and it shouldn't be one of those useless 9mm's.>>
You still shoot?>>
I have a few that I take out and blast a few targets every once in a >> while.>
A useless 9 mm? They're quite useful in close-in defense if you know how > to shoot. I don't much buy into the "you need at least a .40 or a .45 or a > 10 mm." A good 9 mm fires faster, with less muzzle flip.
"No, it's me" <ME@me.com> wrote in message news:sMOdnVODxfZk_vnfRVn-jQ@comcast.com...>I thought you were for banning all handguns. What changed your mind?
NOYB wrote:> "No, it's me" <ME@me.com> wrote in message > news:sMOdnVODxfZk_vnfRVn-jQ@comcast.com...>
I thought you were for banning all handguns. What changed your mind?>
Tuuk? >
Touche, Dr. Happy Tooth.
Naw, I'm a firm believer in shotguns for home defense. I do practice at a local range with several handguns, but that's just for cheap thrills in the winter months to keep my "aimer" lean and mean.
Why would I want to put a little hole in a home invader with a pistol when I can blow his head clean off with a shotgun?
Are you keeping track of Tuuk? I've stopped saving his posts, because the local sheriff said, "enough already, we know he's a fruitcake." So I just filter him now. Let me know if he's "on the road."
"Harry.Krause" <harry.krause@gmail.com> wrote in message news:3cj61aF6mtm3sU1@individual.net...> Bert Robbins wrote:>> "Harry.Krause" <harry.krause@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:3cj0jgF6p6s3nU1@individual.net...>>
Bert Robbins wrote:>>>
"Harry.Krause" <harry.krause@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>news:3ci285F6li7jbU1@individual.net...>>>>
gould0738@aol.com wrote:>>>>>
If someone decides to break into my house, most especially at night,>>>>>>he/she>>>>>>will be the recipient of the contents of my Remington 12 gauge.>>>>>>
*********>>>>>>
Assuming they haven't found it before you wake up, and use it on you,>>>>>>instead.>>>>>
They'd have to know where to look. Ain't so easy in the dark. I know >>>>>exactly where to look.>>>>>
This is what I keep handy at night. I used to have it on my boat in >>>>>Florida, but we don't have many drug-running pirates hereabouts. >>>>>Barrel's too short for clays, but is perfect for home invaders:>>>>>
Holds six in the mag. Enough to remove anyone's head.>>>>
Shinny weapons are for show. Only buy blued or black matte finished >>>>firearms.>>>>
This was the shotgun I used to keep on my boat in Florida. It's mostly >>>stainless steel on the outside, and sold, if memory serves, as the >>>"marine" version. Marine as in boats, not grunts.>>
Rust finds places to attack and the only method of keeping rust away from >> your weapons is to clean them on a regulear basis. Keeping a firearm on a >> boat when you are not there is just asking to have it stolen.>>
In any event, it shoots nicely, and is easy to handle indoors. Many of >>>the floors in our house are finished in hard tile, so stains are easy to >>>remove.>>
Put the Pachmayrs on it, specifically the pistol grip and get a box of 00 >> magnums.>>
I have firearms with a non-shiny finish. But it doesn't serve my purpose >>>to discuss them.>>
You only need one, and it shouldn't be one of those useless 9mm's.>>
You still shoot?>>
I have a few that I take out and blast a few targets every once in a >> while.>
A useless 9 mm? They're quite useful in close-in defense if you know how > to shoot. I don't much buy into the "you need at least a .40 or a .45 or a > 10 mm." A good 9 mm fires faster, with less muzzle flip.
One shot, one kill, don't need to worry about muzzle "flip!"
What was his name? Carl??? He has been dead for a few years Lived in DC, where hand guns are banned, but he had one and shot at some kids swiming in his pool. Did he go to jail? No, he was a good liberal so, he did not go to jail.
Liberals do believe that all laws apply to everyone except themselves.
"No, it's me" <ME@me.com> wrote in message news:tbudnW_N2J8_8_nfRVn-og@comcast.com...> Harry is like all the other liberalrash, they want to impose their rules > on everyone else, but don't want to live by them themselves.>
Tuuk has Harry so scared Harry now spends all of his time talking about > guns and shotting people.>
The truth of the matter is Tuuk is not a threat to anyone. Either Harry > is a scared wussy, or he just likes to pretend to be a tough guy. I don't > know why he doesn't just threaten to run Tuuk over with his truck. ; )>
.> "NOYB" <NOYB@NOYB.COM> wrote in message > news:24ydnXFO6anz-vnfRVn-3g@comcast.com...>>
"No, it's me" <ME@me.com> wrote in message >> news:sMOdnVODxfZk_vnfRVn-jQ@comcast.com...>>>I thought you were for banning all handguns. What changed your mind?>>
"Don White" <whited@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:OCT8e.16304$Ln.750604@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...> Bill McKee wrote:>
Canada does not believe in freedom of association? And the NRA was >> formed as a quasi government entity in the beginning.>
Someimes you have to restrict certain 'rights' for the public good.
So you are a Patriot Act supporter. I see absolutly no reason to restrict certain 'rights' for the public good. Unless you are causing harm to another, actions should be ignored.
Don, Do you recommend we ban all handguns, unless someone wants to have one?
"Don White" <whited@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:R8_8e.16506$Ln.757986@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...> NOYB wrote:>> "No, it's me" <ME@me.com> wrote in message >> news:sMOdnVODxfZk_vnfRVn-jQ@comcast.com...>>
I thought you were for banning all handguns. What changed your mind?>>
Tuuk?> Nothing like someone threatening to come and slit your throat to make you > a newly confirmed gun nut.
So you are a Patriot Act supporter. I see absolutly no reason to restrict > certain 'rights' for the public good. Unless you are causing harm to > another, actions should be ignored. >
I don't know about American Justice System...but it seems that Nugent is inciting individuals to break the laws.
"Don White" <whited@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:uZ69e.16605$Ln.767675@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...> Bill McKee wrote:>>
So you are a Patriot Act supporter. I see absolutly no reason to >> restrict certain 'rights' for the public good. Unless you are causing >> harm to another, actions should be ignored.> I don't know about American Justice System...but it seems that Nugent is > inciting individuals to> break the laws.
The police document crimes, the justices system prosecutes crimes.
Don, That is the same way Harry felt, until he decided he wanted one. Now he is a gun nutsy, posting pictures of his guns and bragging about how he can shot someone between the eyes.
Typical LiberalTrash agenda. ; )
"Don White" <whited@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:9579e.16611$Ln.767675@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...> No, it's me wrote:>> Don,>> Do you recommend we ban all handguns, unless someone wants to have one?>>
"Harry.Krause" <harry.krause@gmail.com> wrote in message news:3cj801F6q7ctbU1@individual.net...> NOYB wrote:>> "No, it's me" <ME@me.com> wrote in message >> news:sMOdnVODxfZk_vnfRVn-jQ@comcast.com...>>
I thought you were for banning all handguns. What changed your mind?>>
Tuuk?>
Touche, Dr. Happy Tooth.>
Naw, I'm a firm believer in shotguns for home defense. I do practice at a > local range with several handguns, but that's just for cheap thrills in > the winter months to keep my "aimer" lean and mean.>
Why would I want to put a little hole in a home invader with a pistol when > I can blow his head clean off with a shotgun?>
Are you keeping track of Tuuk? I've stopped saving his posts, because the > local sheriff said, "enough already, we know he's a fruitcake." So I just > filter him now. Let me know if he's "on the road."
Actually, when I said that net cop was the first one into my blocked senders list, I fibbed. I had to add Tuuk awhile ago because all of those commas were starting to give me a stutter.
NOYB wrote:> "Harry.Krause" <harry.krause@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:3cj801F6q7ctbU1@individual.net...>
NOYB wrote:>>
"No, it's me" <ME@me.com> wrote in message >>>news:sMOdnVODxfZk_vnfRVn-jQ@comcast.com...>>>
I thought you were for banning all handguns. What changed your mind?>>>
Tuuk?>>
Touche, Dr. Happy Tooth.>>
Naw, I'm a firm believer in shotguns for home defense. I do practice at a >>local range with several handguns, but that's just for cheap thrills in >>the winter months to keep my "aimer" lean and mean.>>
Why would I want to put a little hole in a home invader with a pistol when >>I can blow his head clean off with a shotgun?>>
Are you keeping track of Tuuk? I've stopped saving his posts, because the >>local sheriff said, "enough already, we know he's a fruitcake." So I just >>filter him now. Let me know if he's "on the road.">
Actually, when I said that net cop was the first one into my blocked senders > list, I fibbed. I had to add Tuuk awhile ago because all of those commas > were starting to give me a stutter.>
"No, it's me" <ME@me.com> wrote in message news:LIOdnXO1bsLJYvnfRVn-og@comcast.com...> Don,> That is the same way Harry felt, until he decided he wanted one. Now he > is a gun nutsy, posting pictures of his guns and bragging about how he can > shot someone between the eyes.>
Typical LiberalTrash agenda. ; )
Your forgot 'clueless'
'The Numbers Speak For Themselves'
"Gun laws, like all laws, should be evaluated to determine if they meet accepted measures of success. Gun-control advocates contend that gun laws reduce murders as well as other gun crimes. An examination of this proposition shows conclusively that gun laws fail to reduce murder rates in many countries. Therefore, they fail to meet the fundamental measure of success and should be amended or repealed. A 1997 Justice Department report on murders in the U.S. shows that our country has a murder rate of seven victims per 100,000 population per year. There are a number of well-known examples of countries with more liberal gun laws and lower murder rates than the U.S. One is Finland, with a murder rate of 2.9. Israel is another example; although its population is heavily armed, Israel's murder rate is only 1.4. In Switzerland, gun ownership is a way of life. Its murder rate is 2.7."...............................
"Guns are effectively outlawed in Russia. Private handgun ownership is totally prohibited. A permit is required to purchase a long gun. All guns are registered with authorities. When transporting a long gun, it must be disassembled. Long guns may only be used for self-defense when the gun owner is on his own property. By the way, Russia's murder rate is a staggering 30.6. (per 100,000)"
"Don White" <whited@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:9579e.16611$Ln.767675@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...>> No, it's me wrote:>>> Don,>>> Do you recommend we ban all handguns, unless someone wants to have one?>>>
They should be banned except for police/military.>
Harry, You remind me of a used car salesman who insists on telling everyone he is honest. If you spend all of your time talking about your killfilter, you probably don't have one.
"Harry.Krause" <harry.krause@gmail.com> wrote in message news:3ckecnF6nqg87U1@individual.net...> NOYB wrote:>> "Harry.Krause" <harry.krause@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:3cj801F6q7ctbU1@individual.net...>>
NOYB wrote:>>>
"No, it's me" <ME@me.com> wrote in message >>>>news:sMOdnVODxfZk_vnfRVn-jQ@comcast.com...>>>>
I thought you were for banning all handguns. What changed your mind?>>>>
Tuuk?>>>
Touche, Dr. Happy Tooth.>>>
Naw, I'm a firm believer in shotguns for home defense. I do practice at a >>>local range with several handguns, but that's just for cheap thrills in >>>the winter months to keep my "aimer" lean and mean.>>>
Why would I want to put a little hole in a home invader with a pistol >>>when I can blow his head clean off with a shotgun?>>>
Are you keeping track of Tuuk? I've stopped saving his posts, because the >>>local sheriff said, "enough already, we know he's a fruitcake." So I just >>>filter him now. Let me know if he's "on the road.">>
Actually, when I said that net cop was the first one into my blocked >> senders list, I fibbed. I had to add Tuuk awhile ago because all of >> those commas were starting to give me a stutter.>>
"No, it's me" <ME@me.com> wrote in message news:i92dndxm8p05lPjfRVn-pw@comcast.com...> Harry,> You remind me of a used car salesman who insists on telling everyone he is > honest. If you spend all of your time talking about your killfilter, you > probably don't have one.>
Harry reminds me the the Mr Frisby character from a Twilight Zone episode.
"Harry.Krause" <harry.krause@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:3ckecnF6nqg87U1@individual.net...>> NOYB wrote:>>> "Harry.Krause" <harry.krause@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:3cj801F6q7ctbU1@individual.net...>>>
NOYB wrote:>>>>
"No, it's me" <ME@me.com> wrote in message >>>>>news:sMOdnVODxfZk_vnfRVn-jQ@comcast.com...>>>>>
I thought you were for banning all handguns. What changed your mind?>>>>>
Tuuk?>>>>
Touche, Dr. Happy Tooth.>>>>
Naw, I'm a firm believer in shotguns for home defense. I do practice at >>>>a local range with several handguns, but that's just for cheap thrills >>>>in the winter months to keep my "aimer" lean and mean.>>>>
Why would I want to put a little hole in a home invader with a pistol >>>>when I can blow his head clean off with a shotgun?>>>>
Are you keeping track of Tuuk? I've stopped saving his posts, because >>>>the local sheriff said, "enough already, we know he's a fruitcake." So I >>>>just filter him now. Let me know if he's "on the road.">>>
Actually, when I said that net cop was the first one into my blocked >>> senders list, I fibbed. I had to add Tuuk awhile ago because all of >>> those commas were starting to give me a stutter.>>>
I did not remember this character till I looked it up.
Do you think Harry plays the harmonica?
Mr. Frisby
In reference to the episode HOCUS-POCUS AND FRISBY. Mr. Frisby is a loud-mouthed braggart who unwittingly convinces a couple of aliens that he's a prime human specimen, so they abduct him with the intention of displaying him in their zoo. When Frisby can't undo his bragging, he settles down to play his harmonica - which emits tones that put the aliens to sleep!
"P.Fritz" <paulNOfritzSPAM@voyager.net> wrote in message news:116a980ic0rn969@corp.supernews.com...
"No, it's me" <ME@me.com> wrote in message > news:i92dndxm8p05lPjfRVn-pw@comcast.com...>> Harry,>> You remind me of a used car salesman who insists on telling everyone he >> is honest. If you spend all of your time talking about your killfilter, >> you probably don't have one.>>
Harry reminds me the the Mr Frisby character from a Twilight Zone > episode.>
"Harry.Krause" <harry.krause@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:3ckecnF6nqg87U1@individual.net...>>> NOYB wrote:>>>> "Harry.Krause" <harry.krause@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:3cj801F6q7ctbU1@individual.net...>>>>
NOYB wrote:>>>>>
"No, it's me" <ME@me.com> wrote in message >>>>>>news:sMOdnVODxfZk_vnfRVn-jQ@comcast.com...>>>>>>
I thought you were for banning all handguns. What changed your mind?>>>>>>
Tuuk?>>>>>
Touche, Dr. Happy Tooth.>>>>>
Naw, I'm a firm believer in shotguns for home defense. I do practice at >>>>>a local range with several handguns, but that's just for cheap thrills >>>>>in the winter months to keep my "aimer" lean and mean.>>>>>
Why would I want to put a little hole in a home invader with a pistol >>>>>when I can blow his head clean off with a shotgun?>>>>>
Are you keeping track of Tuuk? I've stopped saving his posts, because >>>>>the local sheriff said, "enough already, we know he's a fruitcake." So >>>>>I just filter him now. Let me know if he's "on the road.">>>>
Actually, when I said that net cop was the first one into my blocked >>>> senders list, I fibbed. I had to add Tuuk awhile ago because all of >>>> those commas were starting to give me a stutter.>>>>
Darn. I was counting on you for the reports. :>}>>
"Don White" <whited@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:uZ69e.16605$Ln.767675@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...> Bill McKee wrote:>>
So you are a Patriot Act supporter. I see absolutly no reason to >> restrict certain 'rights' for the public good. Unless you are causing >> harm to another, actions should be ignored.> I don't know about American Justice System...but it seems that Nugent is > inciting individuals to> break the laws.
Nope, he is saying shoot them dead when caught in the act. Perfectly legal.
"Don White" <whited@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:9579e.16611$Ln.767675@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...> No, it's me wrote:>> Don,>> Do you recommend we ban all handguns, unless someone wants to have one?>>
They should be banned except for police/military.
The 2nd amendment was not put in the constitution for hunting and sport shooting.
In article <P3%8e.12049$44.7261@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, bmckeespam@ix.netcom.com says...>
"jps" <trash@thedump.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.1ccdaf59dcd534f89897dc@news.seanet.com...> > In article <58T8e.11767$44.8012@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>,> > bmckeespam@ix.netcom.com says...> >>
"jps" <trash@thedump.com> wrote in message> >> news:MPG.1ccd8d51ac5246c59897d5@news.seanet.com...> >> > In article <MvP8e.70917$UW6.46987@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,> >> > dsk@dontbotherme.com says...> >> >
I would prefer to have fewer loud mouthed hypocrits, another category> >> >> that definitely includes Ted Nugent, but shooting them seems a little> >> >> extreme.> >> >>
One of my friends is promoting (in jest) that we shoot all extremists.> >> >
Not optimal but perhaps the best answer I've heard in a while.> >> >
You better hide when he comes around.> >
Although I'm certain this'll come as a surprise to you, the most extreme> > thing about me is the volume of gas I can produce in a single day. I> > wish I could distill it and power my twin 454s with it.> >
The other notable item is that I'll kill mosquitos with extreme> > prejudice, sans provocation.> >
Extreme to the left mayt count for your former buddy.
Still my buddy and he's a lefty too. We're just not as left as some and we're certainly not as right as the lunatics running the country.
"Shoot the extremists" still resonates pretty well for me.
LOL, No it was a joke about USC being in such a poor section of LA.
jps, it's time to lighten up and not take everything so seriously.
"jps" <trash@thedump.com> wrote in message news:MPG.1cd01df4dbc5a1b69897f4@news.seanet.com...> In article <tuCdnfzjJM_jpfvfRVn-qg@comcast.com>, recboats_me@yahoo.com> says...>> jps,>> Do the kids at USC have opportunity?>
That's a nice Rushian response with little connection to reality.>
<gould0738@aol.com> wrote in message news:1113807098.827800.228290@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...> Would you agree that it's fair to say that someone caught in the act of> a> carjacking or burglery or rape is more than a "suspect"?>
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I would say that a dead body doesn't have any chance to proclaim> innocence.>
In Nugent's world, all you would need to do to justify shooting> *anybody* would be to claim that they were trying to steal your car or> rape a woman.
I think I fall in the middle of this debate, Chuck, or at least I hope so. What a woman who *is* being raped, and manages to pull a gun from her purse? Would you expect her to think for a moment about whether she can shoot the guy in a way which will not be fatal, assuming he gets medical attention?
How about waking up to find an intruder in your home at 3:00 AM, and he's beligerent, but not showing a weapon YET? Would you spend a minute, perhaps trying to talk to him, and determine if he was a threat to your family, or just put him down?
