March 11, 2005 | Washington -- The Bush administration will support European diplomatic efforts to end Iran 's nuclear weapons ambitions by offering modest economic incentives to the Tehran regime, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Friday.
The administration agreed to drop objections to Iran's eventual membership in the World Trade Organization and agreed to allow some sales of civilian aircraft parts to Tehran, she said in a statement released by the State Department.
Rice said the administration will consider allowing the spare parts sales on a case-by-case basis. Many of the sales would be from European Union countries.
"We share the desire of European governments to secure Iran's adherence to its obligations through peace and diplomatic means," the secretary said, referring to Iran's commitments under the Nuclear NonProliferation Treaty.
It is not a one size fits all situation. Iraq and Iran are different animals. However, we did try the diplomatic route in Iraq, similar to what we are doing in Iran, prior to the invasion.
Sometimes diplomacy and discussions work, sometimes not. They did not work with Iraq. They may work with Iran.
It is not a one size fits all situation. Iraq and Iran are different > animals. However, we did try the diplomatic route in Iraq, similar to what > we are doing in Iran, prior to the invasion.>
Sometimes diplomacy and discussions work, sometimes not. They did not work > with Iraq. They may work with Iran.>
So what is your point Jim?>
Did you forget that last week Bush declined to join the Europeans in negotiations. He was going to be the lone Cowboy who did things HIS way?
"Jim," <Jimdotedu@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:uXCYd.298$hg.10@news01.roc.ny...> JimH wrote:>
It is not a one size fits all situation. Iraq and Iran are different >> animals. However, we did try the diplomatic route in Iraq, similar to >> what we are doing in Iran, prior to the invasion.>>
Sometimes diplomacy and discussions work, sometimes not. They did not >> work with Iraq. They may work with Iran.>>
So what is your point Jim?>>
Did you forget that last week Bush declined to join the Europeans in > negotiations. He was going to be the lone Cowboy who did things HIS way?
No I do not remember. I am not saying you are wrong, but perhaps you can provide a link.
Regardless, what is wrong with him deciding to join in with Europe in the negotiations? You see this as a bad thing?
"Jim," <Jimdotedu@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:uXCYd.298$hg.10@news01.roc.ny...>
JimH wrote:>>
It is not a one size fits all situation. Iraq and Iran are different >>>animals. However, we did try the diplomatic route in Iraq, similar to >>>what we are doing in Iran, prior to the invasion.>>>
Sometimes diplomacy and discussions work, sometimes not. They did not >>>work with Iraq. They may work with Iran.>>>
So what is your point Jim?>>>
Did you forget that last week Bush declined to join the Europeans in >>negotiations. He was going to be the lone Cowboy who did things HIS way?>
No I do not remember. I am not saying you are wrong, but perhaps you can > provide a link.>
Regardless, what is wrong with him deciding to join in with Europe in the > negotiations? You see this as a bad thing? >
Convienent memory! -- I see this as a good thing, but last week it was a bad thing. The question asked was "is this a flip or a flop?
"The United States has refused to get involved in the bargaining with Tehran or to make commitments about incentives, insisting that Tehran abandon its program."
Supporting Europe on the incentives would mark a significant shift in strategy for Bush, who has been reluctant to consider them before to avoid being seen as rewarding Iran for bad behavior.
During his first term Bush branded Iran part of an "axis of evil," along with North Korea and Saddam Hussein's Iraq. And Tehran has been an antagonist of Washington since the 1979 Iranian revolution and the seizure that year of more than 60 hostages in the U.S. Embassy in a crisis that lasted 444 days.
"Jim," <Jimdotedu@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:uXCYd.298$hg.10@news01.roc.ny...>>
JimH wrote:>>>
It is not a one size fits all situation. Iraq and Iran are >>>> different animals. However, we did try the diplomatic route in >>>> Iraq, similar to what we are doing in Iran, prior to the invasion.>>>>
Sometimes diplomacy and discussions work, sometimes not. They did >>>> not work with Iraq. They may work with Iran.>>>>
So what is your point Jim?>>>>
Did you forget that last week Bush declined to join the Europeans in >>> negotiations. He was going to be the lone Cowboy who did things HIS >>> way?>>
No I do not remember. I am not saying you are wrong, but perhaps you >> can provide a link.>>
Regardless, what is wrong with him deciding to join in with Europe in >> the negotiations? You see this as a bad thing?>>
Convienent memory! -- I see this as a good thing, but last week it was a > bad thing. The question asked was "is this a flip or a flop?>
"The United States has refused to get involved in the bargaining with > Tehran or to make commitments about incentives, insisting that Tehran > abandon its program.">
Supporting Europe on the incentives would mark a significant shift in > strategy for Bush, who has been reluctant to consider them before to > avoid being seen as rewarding Iran for bad behavior.>
During his first term Bush branded Iran part of an "axis of evil," along > with North Korea and Saddam Hussein's Iraq. And Tehran has been an > antagonist of Washington since the 1979 Iranian revolution and the > seizure that year of more than 60 hostages in the U.S. Embassy in a > crisis that lasted 444 days.>
Bush foreign policy is a combination of your choice of flip or flop AND flub.
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:12:11 -0500, " Tuuk" <bangkokbob5001@yahoo.com> wrote:
"''''''No offense, but what do you expect to squeeze out of a "discussion" >with>the Bush-Military Apologist? Certainly not reality.''''''''>
LOL,,, what do you expect to get from a "discussion" with you krause??? >Reality????? lol,,, ouch,,, krause,,, you screw up on the meds today >krause??? Or mix too many with the good stuff from the upscale liquor store >your buddy works at??? lol,,, ouch,,,,>
Shouldn't you be out feeding the little critters?? ,,, lol,,,oo my>
Reality,,,,??/ lol,,, reality,,, hmmmm now there is a word that is farthest >from reach during a "discussion" with krause,,,, lollll ,,,,>
Crap, did I miss one of Harry's famous posts? Is he coming up with new names now? I'd better get someone to watch my '6'. It seems Harry is obsessed with it. -- John H
"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."
"""''''You and Tuuk are quite a pair, Herring.'"'''''
Now that is funny krause,,, what about you and white??? one of you wants
'"''''We really need people who will come in and set up manufacturing...employing locals and new arrivals.'''"''
yet the other one of you wants
"''"""Of course, not every job filled by an immigrant is taken away from a native American, a native German, a French citizen, or other national.
Most immigrants take jobs at the bottom of the ladder, jobs which many natives won't seek because they are considered too hard, pay too little, or have lost status, ""'''''''
krause ,, are you off your meds again??? better call the little darling again,,, bring on a diaper change while she is at it,,,
"Harry Krause" <Harry.Krause@gmail.com> wrote in message news:39h7vdF61cei4U1@individual.net...> John H wrote:>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:12:11 -0500, " Tuuk" <bangkokbob5001@yahoo.com> >> wrote:>>
"''''''No offense, but what do you expect to squeeze out of a >>>"discussion" with>>>the Bush-Military Apologist? Certainly not reality.''''''''>>>
LOL,,, what do you expect to get from a "discussion" with you krause??? >>>Reality????? lol,,, ouch,,, krause,,, you screw up on the meds today >>>krause??? Or mix too many with the good stuff from the upscale liquor >>>store your buddy works at??? lol,,, ouch,,,,>>>
Shouldn't you be out feeding the little critters?? ,,, lol,,,oo my>>>
Reality,,,,??/ lol,,, reality,,, hmmmm now there is a word that is >>>farthest>>
from reach during a "discussion" with krause,,,, lollll ,,,,>>
Crap, did I miss one of Harry's famous posts? Is he coming up with new >> names>> now? I'd better get someone to watch my '6'. It seems Harry is obsessed >> with it.>
"''''> Tuukarrhea!.....that's a great label. Maybe you should coin that phrase!""'''
ahhhh,,, the 1, 2, 3 punch must have got you there white,,, lol,,, and confirmed accuracy,,, lol,,,
white,,, you sure you don't have a ring in your nose like a dumb bull??? I just took you for a walk through the park,,, lol,,,, I bet you would be the last butter jam tart left over on the tray at a party,,,, lol,,,, oooo my,,,,,,,
definatly confirms number 3,,, you be a krause puppet for life,,,
You wouldn't happen to be sharpening his pencils,,, washing his car,, painting his fence,,, or supplying him his prescription meds there from Canada ,,, would you there white???? awful white of you there white,,, you shinning his pipe also???
"Don White" <white@nsknospm.sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:f6LYd.18894$oh4.684495@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...>
"Harry Krause" <Harry.Krause@gmail.com> wrote in message> news:39gm3vF6070eiU3@individual.net...>>
You know, it just occurred to me. Perhaps Herring is suffering from>> Tuukarrhea>
Tuukarrhea!.....that's a great label. Maybe you should coin that phrase!>
"Harry Krause" <Harry.Krause@gmail.com> wrote in message news:39hn63F61ge24U1@individual.net...> It's a disease whose symptoms include getting everything wrong, running> off at the mouth, and facilitating morons. You think Herring suffers> from it?
I don't know why JohnH would even want to associate with someone unstable like Tuuk. Wonder if he would take him for a ride in that fancy Mustang. I doubt it.
"Don White" <white@nsknospm.sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:AfPYd.18989$oh4.691292@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...>
"Harry Krause" <Harry.Krause@gmail.com> wrote in message> news:39hn63F61ge24U1@individual.net...>> It's a disease whose symptoms include getting everything wrong, running>> off at the mouth, and facilitating morons. You think Herring suffers>> from it?>
I don't know why JohnH would even want to associate with someone unstable> like Tuuk. Wonder if he would take him for a ride in that fancy Mustang. > I> doubt it.>
Dr. Jonathan Smithers 13 March 2005 19:58:02 [ permanent link ]
LOL, I will have to remember that come back.
"Don White" <white@nsknospm.sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:VvYYd.19109$oh4.700660@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...>
"Dr. Jonathan Smithers, MD Phd." <yahoo@yahoo.com> wrote in message> news:BcSdneo0gthdzKnfRVn-2A@comcast.com...>> Don are you guilty of pig piling? ; )>>
Even though I didn't sign on to JimH's bogus crusade, I still wouldn't > call> him a 'pig'. >
Don White wrote:> "HarryKrause" <Harry.Krause@gmail.com> wrote in message> news:39j2j4F61sjupU1@individual.net...>
Why bother with Hertvik at all, Don? Really. Just bozo bin him, along>>with the rest of his ilk.>
Right you are...It is silly trying to be rational with him.>
Well, that's one reason.
There are a couple like him I haven't "bozo-binned" yet. Their responses usually are so bizarre and off-the-wall that they harm their cause, and therefore it is a bit of fun to watch them twist themselves in the wind.
Tuuk, of course, has his own filter. But I dump all of his posts, including the headers, into a file I download every two weeks and copy onto a CDR for my friendly neighborhood deputy sheriff. I think he's just keeping them on file now, but I know with the first few, the guys at the district were using them as training materials for recognizing on-line psychotics. :>}
Every couple of days, I look through the bozo-bin "log" to see which inhabitants have been active again. I don't see the posts themselves, just the basic header info. Hertvik is the most active, followed by Fritz and whatever fake ID "Smithers" is using that day.
Dr. Jonathan Smithers 13 March 2005 20:29:22 [ permanent link ]
"HarryKrause" <Harry.Krause@gmail.com> wrote in message news:39j7iiF61m23hU1@individual.net...> Tuuk, of course, has his own filter. But I dump all of his posts, > including the headers, into a file I download every two weeks and copy > onto a CDR for my friendly neighborhood deputy sheriff. I think he's just > keeping them on file now, but I know with the first few, the guys at the > district were using them as training materials for recognizing on-line > psychotics. :>}
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:53:19 GMT, "Don White" <white@nsknospm.sympatico.ca> wrote:
"HarryKrause" <Harry.Krause@gmail.com> wrote in message>news:39j7iiF61m23hU1@individual.net...>snip...>> Tuuk, of course, has his own filter. But I dump all of his posts,>> including the headers, into a file I download every two weeks and copy>> onto a CDR for my friendly neighborhood deputy sheriff. I think he's>> just keeping them on file now, but I know with the first few, the guys>> at the district were using them as training materials for recognizing>> on-line psychotics. :>}>>
snip....>
Forgetting for a moment Tuuk's threats and on-line harassment of you, it's>what he does on a regular basis that should outrage>regular posters. I have seen time & time again, new posters come on asking>sensible questions. I'm assuming it's Tuuk...steals your identity and makes>idiotic responses to the new posts. Some may find this funny, but new blood>may be driven away by this foolishness. New members with legit concerns>deserve the best advice this group can offer.>
Perhaps the best advice to offer would be, "Pay no attention to posts authored by Harry Krause." That would cover everything, right?
-- John H
"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."
Don White wrote:> "HarryKrause" <Harry.Krause@gmail.com> wrote in message> news:39j7iiF61m23hU1@individual.net...> snip...>
Tuuk, of course, has his own filter. But I dump all of his posts,>>including the headers, into a file I download every two weeks and copy>>onto a CDR for my friendly neighborhood deputy sheriff. I think he's>>just keeping them on file now, but I know with the first few, the guys>>at the district were using them as training materials for recognizing>>on-line psychotics. :>}>>
snip....>
Forgetting for a moment Tuuk's threats and on-line harassment of you, it's> what he does on a regular basis that should outrage> regular posters. I have seen time & time again, new posters come on asking> sensible questions. I'm assuming it's Tuuk...steals your identity and makes> idiotic responses to the new posts. Some may find this funny, but new blood> may be driven away by this foolishness. New members with legit concerns> deserve the best advice this group can offer.>
There are a couple of posters here so obsessed with me that they play identity theft and try to pretend they are me. They do this for a couple reasons, one of which, of course, is to clog up this newsgroup with so many posts that appear as if they are coming from me that some posters will just filter me out.
These jerks, all right-wingers, are determined to destroy what remains of this newsgroup.
John H wrote:> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:53:19 GMT, "Don White" <white@nsknospm.sympatico.ca>> wrote:>
"HarryKrause" <Harry.Krause@gmail.com> wrote in message>>news:39j7iiF61m23hU1@individual.net...>>snip...>>
Tuuk, of course, has his own filter. But I dump all of his posts,>>>including the headers, into a file I download every two weeks and copy>>>onto a CDR for my friendly neighborhood deputy sheriff. I think he's>>>just keeping them on file now, but I know with the first few, the guys>>>at the district were using them as training materials for recognizing>>>on-line psychotics. :>}>>>
snip....>>
Forgetting for a moment Tuuk's threats and on-line harassment of you, it's>>what he does on a regular basis that should outrage>>regular posters. I have seen time & time again, new posters come on asking>>sensible questions. I'm assuming it's Tuuk...steals your identity and makes>>idiotic responses to the new posts. Some may find this funny, but new blood>>may be driven away by this foolishness. New members with legit concerns>>deserve the best advice this group can offer.>>
Perhaps the best advice to offer would be, "Pay no attention to posts authored> by Harry Krause." That would cover everything, right?>
There you go...that's one of the intents of the "impostors," and their facilitator, John Herring. I was waiting for Herring to finally admit this, and he did.
Dr. Jonathan Smithers 14 March 2005 01:21:13 [ permanent link ]
How can filtering Harry Krause be detrimental to the NG?
"HarryKrause" <Harry.Krause@gmail.com> wrote in message news:39jgldF62eqq9U1@individual.net...> Don White wrote:>> "HarryKrause" <Harry.Krause@gmail.com> wrote in message>> news:39j7iiF61m23hU1@individual.net...>> snip...>>
Tuuk, of course, has his own filter. But I dump all of his posts,>>>including the headers, into a file I download every two weeks and copy>>>onto a CDR for my friendly neighborhood deputy sheriff. I think he's>>>just keeping them on file now, but I know with the first few, the guys>>>at the district were using them as training materials for recognizing>>>on-line psychotics. :>}>>>
snip....>>
Forgetting for a moment Tuuk's threats and on-line harassment of you, >> it's>> what he does on a regular basis that should outrage>> regular posters. I have seen time & time again, new posters come on >> asking>> sensible questions. I'm assuming it's Tuuk...steals your identity and >> makes>> idiotic responses to the new posts. Some may find this funny, but new >> blood>> may be driven away by this foolishness. New members with legit concerns>> deserve the best advice this group can offer.>>
There are a couple of posters here so obsessed with me that they play > identity theft and try to pretend they are me. They do this for a couple > reasons, one of which, of course, is to clog up this newsgroup with so > many posts that appear as if they are coming from me that some posters > will just filter me out.>
These jerks, all right-wingers, are determined to destroy what remains of > this newsgroup.>
It can't. I have him filtered and the only time I see his crap is when someone responds to it.
The funny thing is Harry Krause does not even accept the fact that he alone ruined this NG several years ago and has to make it a political, blaming only the right wing members here.
"Dr. Jonathan Smithers, MD Phd." <yahoo@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:d62dnfXLNZwjM6nfRVn-pA@comcast.com...> How can filtering Harry Krause be detrimental to the NG?>
"HarryKrause" <Harry.Krause@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:39jgldF62eqq9U1@individual.net...>> Don White wrote:>>> "HarryKrause" <Harry.Krause@gmail.com> wrote in message>>> news:39j7iiF61m23hU1@individual.net...>>> snip...>>>
Tuuk, of course, has his own filter. But I dump all of his posts,>>>>including the headers, into a file I download every two weeks and copy>>>>onto a CDR for my friendly neighborhood deputy sheriff. I think he's>>>>just keeping them on file now, but I know with the first few, the guys>>>>at the district were using them as training materials for recognizing>>>>on-line psychotics. :>}>>>>
snip....>>>
Forgetting for a moment Tuuk's threats and on-line harassment of you, >>> it's>>> what he does on a regular basis that should outrage>>> regular posters. I have seen time & time again, new posters come on >>> asking>>> sensible questions. I'm assuming it's Tuuk...steals your identity and >>> makes>>> idiotic responses to the new posts. Some may find this funny, but new >>> blood>>> may be driven away by this foolishness. New members with legit concerns>>> deserve the best advice this group can offer.>>>
There are a couple of posters here so obsessed with me that they play >> identity theft and try to pretend they are me. They do this for a couple >> reasons, one of which, of course, is to clog up this newsgroup with so >> many posts that appear as if they are coming from me that some posters >> will just filter me out.>>
These jerks, all right-wingers, are determined to destroy what remains of >> this newsgroup.>>
"JimH" <Me@aol.com> wrote in message news:aYmdnWxipfDzL6nfRVn-1g@comcast.com...> It can't. I have him filtered and the only time I see his crap is when > someone responds to it.>
The funny thing is Harry Krause does not even accept the fact that he > alone ruined this NG several years ago and has to make it political, > blaming only the right wing members here.>
"Dr. Jonathan Smithers, MD Phd." <yahoo@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:d62dnfXLNZwjM6nfRVn-pA@comcast.com...>> How can filtering Harry Krause be detrimental to the NG?>>
"HarryKrause" <Harry.Krause@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:39jgldF62eqq9U1@individual.net...>>> Don White wrote:>>>> "HarryKrause" <Harry.Krause@gmail.com> wrote in message>>>> news:39j7iiF61m23hU1@individual.net...>>>> snip...>>>>
Tuuk, of course, has his own filter. But I dump all of his posts,>>>>>including the headers, into a file I download every two weeks and copy>>>>>onto a CDR for my friendly neighborhood deputy sheriff. I think he's>>>>>just keeping them on file now, but I know with the first few, the guys>>>>>at the district were using them as training materials for recognizing>>>>>on-line psychotics. :>}>>>>>
snip....>>>>
Forgetting for a moment Tuuk's threats and on-line harassment of you, >>>> it's>>>> what he does on a regular basis that should outrage>>>> regular posters. I have seen time & time again, new posters come on >>>> asking>>>> sensible questions. I'm assuming it's Tuuk...steals your identity and >>>> makes>>>> idiotic responses to the new posts. Some may find this funny, but new >>>> blood>>>> may be driven away by this foolishness. New members with legit concerns>>>> deserve the best advice this group can offer.>>>>
There are a couple of posters here so obsessed with me that they play >>> identity theft and try to pretend they are me. They do this for a couple >>> reasons, one of which, of course, is to clog up this newsgroup with so >>> many posts that appear as if they are coming from me that some posters >>> will just filter me out.>>>
These jerks, all right-wingers, are determined to destroy what remains >>> of this newsgroup.>>>
"Dr. Jonathan Smithers, MD Phd." <yahoo@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:d62dnfXLNZwjM6nfRVn-pA@comcast.com... > How can filtering Harry Krause be detrimental to the NG?
Notice how harry has to keep changing his ID in order to be noticed?
"HarryKrause" <Harry.Krause@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:39jgldF62eqq9U1@individual.net... >> Don White wrote: >>> "HarryKrause" <Harry.Krause@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:39j7iiF61m23hU1@individual.net... >>> snip... >>>
Tuuk, of course, has his own filter. But I dump all of his posts, >>>>including the headers, into a file I download every two weeks and copy >>>>onto a CDR for my friendly neighborhood deputy sheriff. I think he's >>>>just keeping them on file now, but I know with the first few, the guys >>>>at the district were using them as training materials for recognizing >>>>on-line psychotics. :>} >>>>
snip.... >>>
Forgetting for a moment Tuuk's threats and on-line harassment of you, >>> it's >>> what he does on a regular basis that should outrage >>> regular posters. I have seen time & time again, new posters come on >>> asking >>> sensible questions. I'm assuming it's Tuuk...steals your identity and >>> makes >>> idiotic responses to the new posts. Some may find this funny, but new >>> blood >>> may be driven away by this foolishness. New members with legit
concerns >>> deserve the best advice this group can offer. >>>
There are a couple of posters here so obsessed with me that they play >> identity theft and try to pretend they are me. They do this for a
couple >> reasons, one of which, of course, is to clog up this newsgroup with so >> many posts that appear as if they are coming from me that some posters >> will just filter me out. >>
These jerks, all right-wingers, are determined to destroy what remains
""''''These jerks, all right-wingers, are determined to destroy what remains of this newsgroup."''''''
krause,, you didn't leave much,,,
"HarryKrause" <Harry.Krause@gmail.com> wrote in message news:39jgldF62eqq9U1@individual.net...> Don White wrote:>> "HarryKrause" <Harry.Krause@gmail.com> wrote in message>> news:39j7iiF61m23hU1@individual.net...>> snip...>>
Tuuk, of course, has his own filter. But I dump all of his posts,>>>including the headers, into a file I download every two weeks and copy>>>onto a CDR for my friendly neighborhood deputy sheriff. I think he's>>>just keeping them on file now, but I know with the first few, the guys>>>at the district were using them as training materials for recognizing>>>on-line psychotics. :>}>>>
snip....>>
Forgetting for a moment Tuuk's threats and on-line harassment of you, >> it's>> what he does on a regular basis that should outrage>> regular posters. I have seen time & time again, new posters come on >> asking>> sensible questions. I'm assuming it's Tuuk...steals your identity and >> makes>> idiotic responses to the new posts. Some may find this funny, but new >> blood>> may be driven away by this foolishness. New members with legit concerns>> deserve the best advice this group can offer.>>
There are a couple of posters here so obsessed with me that they play > identity theft and try to pretend they are me. They do this for a couple > reasons, one of which, of course, is to clog up this newsgroup with so > many posts that appear as if they are coming from me that some posters > will just filter me out.>
These jerks, all right-wingers, are determined to destroy what remains of > this newsgroup.>
