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Re: Regan was right, putting things in context

Jeff Rigby 10 March 2005 17:32:31
 
"Gary" <jabadoodle@yahoo.c­om> wrote in message
news:398fb0F5vv3g1U­1@individual.net...>­ "Jim," <Jimdotedu@yahoo.co­m> wrote:>>
Not nice to take shots at a dead alzhimers suffering president>>
I actually meant to send that somewhere else. But since it's here...>
He's the one that made the quotes. If he didn't want to be remembered> in this way he shouldn't have made himself a public figure and/or > shouldn't> have said these things. ~ My guess is that he'd be happy to be remembered> this way...he said these things and probably meant most of them.>
By the way - I liked Reagan. I didn't / don't agree with some of what he> stood for, but I did agree with some things and, mostly, I did think that > on> the whose he was an honorable man trying to do the right things.>
Hard to defend a statment like this though...> "Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do." -- Ronald Reagan, 1981>
Maybe it was taken out of context or some such?>
Gary>
Pine trees outgas more hydrocarbons than cars do although they are simple
chains and don't contain lead, sulfur or mercury. And when they burn
(they are genetically designed to thrive on forest fires (the small normal
ones that nature provides but we have stopped. The buildup of undergrowth
due to our stopping the forest fires has caused conditions that mean much
higher temps and the trees die)) they also put out massive amounts of carbon
dioxide and complex hydrocarbons when they burn.


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Harry Krause 10 March 2005 17:38:57 permanent link ]
 Jeff Rigby wrote:> "Gary" <jabadoodle@yahoo.c­om> wrote in message > news:398fb0F5vv3g1U­1@individual.net...>­
"Jim," <Jimdotedu@yahoo.co­m> wrote:>>
Not nice to take shots at a dead alzhimers suffering president>>>
I actually meant to send that somewhere else. But since it's here...>>
He's the one that made the quotes. If he didn't want to be remembered>>in this way he shouldn't have made himself a public figure and/or >>shouldn't>>have said these things. ~ My guess is that he'd be happy to be remembered>>this way...he said these things and probably meant most of them.>>
By the way - I liked Reagan. I didn't / don't agree with some of what he>>stood for, but I did agree with some things and, mostly, I did think that >>on>>the whose he was an honorable man trying to do the right things.>>
Hard to defend a statment like this though...>> "Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do." -- Ronald Reagan, 1981>>
Maybe it was taken out of context or some such?>>
Gary>>
Pine trees outgas more hydrocarbons than cars do although they are simple > chains and don't contain lead, sulfur or mercury. And when they burn > (they are genetically designed to thrive on forest fires (the small normal > ones that nature provides but we have stopped. The buildup of undergrowth > due to our stopping the forest fires has caused conditions that mean much > higher temps and the trees die)) they also put out massive amounts of carbon > dioxide and complex hydrocarbons when they burn. >


Good grief, Jeff...reads like you are reposting from the Bush's "screw
the environment briefing book."

Trees are bad, cars are good, and if we don't cut down all the forests
so the loggers can turn a buck, why, disaster will follow in short order.

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Dsk 10 March 2005 18:08:04 permanent link ]
 I'll say the same thing again, until the point sinks in...

Jeff Rigby wrote:> Pine trees outgas more hydrocarbons than cars do although they are simple > chains and don't contain lead, sulfur or mercury.

Yep.

That's why hundreds of years ago, before we had automobiles & smokestack
factories & fossil fueled power plants that clean up the atmosphere,
planet Earth was so polluted from all the trees that it could barely
support life.

DSK

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Jeff Rigby 11 March 2005 15:31:06 permanent link ]
 
"DSK" <dsk@dontbotherme.c­om> wrote in message
news:dvYXd.33379$%Y­4.12158@bignews6.bel­lsouth.net...> I'll say the same thing again, until the point sinks in...>
Jeff Rigby wrote:> > Pine trees outgas more hydrocarbons than cars do although they are
simple> > chains and don't contain lead, sulfur or mercury.>
Yep.>
That's why hundreds of years ago, before we had automobiles & smokestack> factories & fossil fueled power plants that clean up the atmosphere,> planet Earth was so polluted from all the trees that it could barely> support life.>
DSK
That's why the Great smoky mountains were called smoky by the Indians 200+
years ago.


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Jeff Rigby 11 March 2005 15:56:18 permanent link ]
 
"Harry Krause" <piedtypecase@yahoo­.com> wrote in message
news:39b0vjF613ei3U­3@individual.net...>­ Jeff Rigby wrote:> > "Gary" <jabadoodle@yahoo.c­om> wrote in message> > news:398fb0F5vv3g1U­1@individual.net...>­ >
"Jim," <Jimdotedu@yahoo.co­m> wrote:> >>
Not nice to take shots at a dead alzhimers suffering president> >>>
I actually meant to send that somewhere else. But since it's here...> >>
He's the one that made the quotes. If he didn't want to be remembered> >>in this way he shouldn't have made himself a public figure and/or> >>shouldn't> >>have said these things. ~ My guess is that he'd be happy to be
remembered> >>this way...he said these things and probably meant most of them.> >>
By the way - I liked Reagan. I didn't / don't agree with some of what he> >>stood for, but I did agree with some things and, mostly, I did think
that> >>on> >>the whose he was an honorable man trying to do the right things.> >>
Hard to defend a statment like this though...> >> "Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do." -- Ronald Reagan,
1981> >>
Maybe it was taken out of context or some such?> >>
Gary> >>
Pine trees outgas more hydrocarbons than cars do although they are
simple> > chains and don't contain lead, sulfur or mercury. And when they burn> > (they are genetically designed to thrive on forest fires (the small
normal> > ones that nature provides but we have stopped. The buildup of
undergrowth> > due to our stopping the forest fires has caused conditions that mean
much> > higher temps and the trees die)) they also put out massive amounts of
carbon> > dioxide and complex hydrocarbons when they burn.> >

Good grief, Jeff...reads like you are reposting from the Bush's "screw> the environment briefing book.">
Trees are bad, cars are good, and if we don't cut down all the forests> so the loggers can turn a buck, why, disaster will follow in short order.>
No, Harry it just seems so to one who doesn't see the big picture. If you
read it you would see that I am advocating BACK TO NATURE. Do not intervene
without much thought in natures processes like for example stopping forest
fires. Stopping all forest fires was a policy for so many years that it has
created conditions that promote the higher temp fires (because of
undergrowth) that KILL forests. Also, I mention "simple chains and don't
contain lead, sulfur or mercury" that means that trees are not as dangerous
to us as cars unless they burn.

And Harry, the "pilotless drone" as you call him has not spouted any anti
environment rehtoric but has advocated a rational reasonable course for this
country. This is a much admired policy by those of us on the right and
center.

Harry you knee jerk react to anything that's said here. Is this an attempt
to flame the news group, is it a thought out policy on your part? I have a
hard time beliving that you really believe most of your posts as some of
them have shown that you do have a mind.




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Harry Krause 11 March 2005 16:49:38 permanent link ]
 Jeff Rigby wrote:
And Harry, the "pilotless drone" as you call him has not spouted any anti> environment rehtoric but has advocated a rational reasonable course for this> country. This is a much admired policy by those of us on the right and> center.


What seems rational and reasonable to you in Bush's pronouncements seems
irrational and irresponsible to me.

Harry you knee jerk react to anything that's said here. Is this an attempt> to flame the news group, is it a thought out policy on your part? I have a> hard time beliving that you really believe most of your posts as some of> them have shown that you do have a mind.

I'm sorry, but I wouldn't trust Bush to work as a school crossing guard.
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Dsk 11 March 2005 18:16:21 permanent link ]
 
... hundreds of years ago, before we had automobiles & smokestack>>factori­es & fossil fueled power plants that clean up the atmosphere,>>planet­ Earth was so polluted from all the trees that it could barely>>support life.>>


Jeff Rigby wrote:> That's why the Great smoky mountains were called smoky by the Indians 200+> years ago.>

Note the difference between "smoke" and "fog."

It's not quite as difficult as the difference between "diplomacy" and
"coercion."

DSK

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Jeff Rigby 15 March 2005 00:47:11 permanent link ]
 
"DSK" <dsk@dontbotherme.c­om> wrote in message
news:%IhYd.36899$%Y­4.31509@bignews6.bel­lsouth.net...>>>... hundreds of years ago, before we had automobiles & smokestack>>>factor­ies & fossil fueled power plants that clean up the atmosphere,>>>plane­t Earth was so polluted from all the trees that it could barely>>>support life.>>>
Jeff Rigby wrote:>> That's why the Great smoky mountains were called smoky by the Indians >> 200+>> years ago.>>
Note the difference between "smoke" and "fog.">
It's not quite as difficult as the difference between "diplomacy" and > "coercion.">
No, I'm told by a Forest ranger that it was smoke. Certain times of the
year you do get fog but there were fires that slowly burned (natural,
promoted by the pine trees for their germination) that caused SMOKE for
months. It's a combination of wind currents that keep the smoke in that
area (trapped).


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