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Yesterday — Friday, 4 July 2008
Re: Utility of an old but mint condition GPS? Rhys 23:33:11
 On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:34:40 GMT, "Gordon Wedman" <PacG@telus.net>
wrote:
Trimble has always had a reputation for very high end GPS units. Its
probably very solidly put together but may not stand up to a moist
environment.


I'm on fresh water and this would be mounted inside on the nav
station. But your comments are noted...and thanks.

You might consider offering it on eBay for $200 and see if
anyone bites. Magellan had units set up for aircraft use and these are
still selling well on eBay. You could then buy a marine unit with WAAS
capability for not much more.


Hmm...there's a thought. Or maybe to be completely paradoxical, I
could put it toward my "sextant fund".

Thanks. I'd never heard of Trimble, and although they are still in
business making GPS and location-finding equipment, they seem focused
on surveying and such, not recreational GPS...probably the margin was
too skinny.

R.
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Sunday, 4 May 2008
Re: Center cockpit v. Aft cockpit Gogarty 05:50:44
 In article <1175899319.850924.­127760@d57g2000hsg.g­ooglegroups.com>,
williamdochnahl@ade­lphia.net says...
I am sure this has been a topic before but what do you all think of
these. Which do you prefer and why? Just curious.
We have owned only center cockpit boats, first a Dawson 26, now an O'Day
37. One word: Privacy. And I don't just mean when we have guests on
board but the ability to get away from one another or to leave the other
in peace. I can muck around in the galley or even get underway without
disturbing my slumbering wife in the aft cabin. These boats did not and
do not have a pass through below decks. To get from one cabin to the
other you have to go through the cockpit. But this also means the boat
keeps a low and sleek profile where other boats of the same size that do
have internal pass throughs look like floating barns and the cockpit is
shallow and looks like a howdah on top of an elephant. I think you have
to get to 45 frrt ot more before you get pleasing proportions in boats
with a below deck pass through. Anyway, we have long been sold on the
center cockpit. And oh yeah, that big breaking wave looming up behind
you doesn't look so threatening from a center cockpit.

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Friday, 4 April 2008
Re: Wooden Yacht restore and maintenance cost questions & advice please. Gordon 21:02:29
 classicyachtinterest­@googlemail.com wrote:
Hi,
I have a series of questions that could possibly be served by a chat
with a decent Yacht surveyor but I would like some real life feedback
before starting to engage professionals. Consider me to be
researching.
To set the picture I am based in the UK & I have a hankering for a
wooden Classic, say a 30 to 35 foot yacht for my girlfriend & I to
enjoy for weekend cruising and channel hopping. Old fibre glass yachts
in the same price ranges that friends have or have had don't really
appeal. I am not averse to getting my hands dirty having gutted &
refitted my house myself and I have friends who are carpenters and am
reasonably capable with wood myself.
However, I am not experienced in steaming or fixing frames and more
intricate pieces of wood work I would expect to find during a restore
and have never worked on a wooden yacht.
So, if I were to purchase a wooden yacht of around 30 - 35 foot range
for an initial outlay of say 10 - 20k what kind of pitfalls can I
expect? Please be assured a survey would be undertaken for assesement.
o Can anyone provide an example of costs refitting decks to a similar
wooden vessel? Self-fitted marine-ply + teak or alt. vs a yard fitting
cost? Of course I'm assuming deck supports and knee's to be good.
o Can anyone provide an indication of costs to strip, recaulk and
prime/paint the exterior? Time is a factor here, is it even vaguely
sensible to consider machine use (ie: sandblasting may be an damaging
sacriledge)
o Any rough cost descriptions for replacement of a 15 or 20hp engine?
Assuming a yard to refit here, only estimate I have are engine unit in
the region of 2k. Has anyone good experience in a complete engine
rebuild for significantly less.
o Rough cost descriptions for standing rigging replacement on a cutter
for example, 30 or 35 foot?
o Rough costs for sails for a 35 footer for example? (exampling
cutter, gaff etc if vastly different)
o Rough costs for having keel bolts pulled and replaced?
Of course the inital assumption may be flawed to assume working on a
15K boat. It may be there are real life examples where that is simply
a false economy. House restoration has taught me that removing layers
reveals more problems but I have no experience in costs in the Classic
wooden yacht world.
Should a basket case be expected for that much or is it a reasonable
figure?
Perhaps someone can example worst case scenarios with real life
pricing guestimates.
Worst case scenario if keel wood/backbone turns out to be soft once
stripped and serious work is required? (ie: hull split and keel and
deadwood replacement)
Worst case if a survey highlighted multiple ribs to be removed and
replaced? Say 50%.
Worst case costs if the floor or parts of the floor must be renewed to
secure ribs to keel?
Worst case costs of the ruddern or attachment points are rotten?
These costs may be capable of being absorbed but equally may just make
it pointless if the end value is less than the sum total of vessel +
repair.
All and any other experiences are valid, I am ignoring the cost of
storage as land is available for long term working but long term
drying raises questions. Is there an opinion on long term land based
storage of a classic while work is carried out? Planks splittings from
drying effect, warping etc once removed from constant immersion.
I'm not sure if I have brain dumped too much so all and any feedback
is gratefully recieved.
Thanks.


Too bad you're not in this
area!http://seattle­.craigslist.org/kit/­boa/613815916.html

Gordon
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Monday, 31 March 2008
SEA 330 , 1630 antenna tuner Steve Lusardi 23:57:09
 I need one in good shape. If you have one, please let me know.
Steve


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Sunday, 30 March 2008
Re: ELECTROLYSIS 101 for boats that live in the water. Steve Lusardi 13:23:57
 Andina,
I found your synopsis of this issue very good. This problem is not
understood by most people. Please explain what a Galvanic Isolator is. I
find absolutely no reason to connect shore earth to your boat, ever. There
should be a ships earth and it should never be the hull, either on the AC
side or the DC side. The ships earth should be insolated from the hull.
There should be an LED mounted in an obvious location connected between the
hull and ships earth. Normally this LED would be off, unless there is a DC
leak to the hull. This would then allow the LED to turn on and alert the
crew to locate the fault immediately. On the AC side, an isolation
transformer is a necessity. The ships safety earth is then bonded to nuetral
at the panel only and the main ships ckt breaker should be of the GFI type.
Steve

"Andina Marie" <tech@yandina.com> wrote in message
news:d053dac7-c81d-­405c-8cdf-5b0e8705f2­06@f47g2000hsd.googl­egroups.com...
I posted this on another bulletin where a contributor had bonded all
his underwater metal with 1" copper straps and needed to test. Copied
here for anyone having electrolysis problems.
An ohm meter is a poor way to check bonding connections. I use a 12
volt lamp and make a probe using a screwdriver. Hook a long enough
wire to the positive terminal of the starting battery and then poke
the screwdriver into each of the through hull fittings and make sure
the lamp lights. An ohm meter is only testing the circuit at micro-
amps.
The following applies mainly to boats left in the water. Trailered
boats rarely spend enough time in the water for electrolysis to be a
problem.
ELECTROLYSIS 101. I've worked with electrolysis for 18 years
including live-aboard on a steel yacht for 14. We have sold thousands
of our galvanic isolators and handle numerous emails/phone calls daily
on electrolysis situations.
BONDING STRAPS
Although your copper straps look impressive they are totally
unnecessary. The wire at the most only carries a few milliamps and
there is no concern for voltage drop so the copper only needs to be
heavy enough to resist deterioration from oxidation. A 10 gauge
copper wire is more than adequate. I use non stranded 10 gauge bare
copper wire for my installations, being careful to secure it so it is
not subject to flexing from boat motion. Non stranded wire has much
less surface area and avoids the cavities between the strands where
moisture and corrosion/oxidation­ can progress.
THEORY
Electrolysis only happens when two dissimilar metals are immersed in
an electrolyte and connected together. The dissimilar metals have
different electrolysis voltages so if you connect them together
current flows through the connecting wire one direction and through
the water the other. As the current leaves one metal to travel to the
other, it causes metal to come off one surface and be deposited on the
other like battery plates so the higher voltage metal suffers
electrolysis. Electrolysis can also occur when an adjacent structure
or boat is injecting DC current into the water and that current goes
in one end of your boat and out the other on its way to the
destination. This can cause electrolysis even though your boat is not
an offender.
PROTECTION
There are basically 2 ways to reduce electrolysis. The PREFERABLE one
is to DISCONNECT the electrical circuit. If this can't be done, the
second method is to provide a sacrificial anode (Zinc) so it
deteriorates rather than your expensive equipment.
a) DISCONNECTING
Electrolysis cannot occur on an isolated piece of metal in salt
water. It is all at the same voltage but if it is isolated no current
can flow so there is no electrolysis. When it is connected to another
piece of metal, ESPECIALLY if the other piece is a different metal,
you just created a shorted battery and electrolysis will start. By
following the wrong advise and bonding everything in the boat you are
creating batteries where it is unnecessary and making electrolysis
problems worse.
ANN-MARIE'S RULE #1. Only bond underwater items that are showing
symptoms of electrolysis. If it ain't broke, DON'T fix it. Once you
bond it unnecessarily you have CREATED the circuit rather than
DISCONNECTING it. You are now stuck with providing Zincs since you
have removed the first line of protection.
Although some through hulls appear to be isolated due to sitting in
fiberglass and using non-metallic tubing, they quite often are not and
WILL need bonding. For example the raw water cooling inlet for an
inboard engine is in fact connected to the engine block by the salt
water in the tubing and may need bonding so the current flows though
copper rather than the water and in/out of the through hull.
b) SACRIFICIAL ZINC
There are situations where different metals cannot be disconnected and
you are stuck with putting zincs on them to provided a target for the
electrolysis. Zincs have a higher electrolytic voltage than marine
metals so it is the first to deteriorate.
Keep in mind that the zinc will CREATE electrolysis (favorable
electrolysis since the zinc is being eaten up). Putting zincs where
they were not needed will still cause the zincs to erode away since
they create the battery situation where none may have existed.
The range of protection a zinc can supply to other metals bonded to it
is limited by the conductivity of the water. In salt water you get
coverage for a radius of about 4 to 6 feet. A zinc on the stern of a
14 ft boat where everything is bonded is only protecting half the
boat. This range gets even less in fresh water and may reduce to only
inches. Often magnesium is substituted for zinc in fresh water to
provide an even higher voltage to push through the fresh water.
USE A CONDOM
Over 90% of our customers electrolysis problems are created by the
shore power connection. You could theoretically disconnect the ground
connection in the shore power and avoid electrolysis (and in some
cases this is a solution) but ABYC regulations require the AC ground
be connected to the DC ground so an electrical fault on the boat won't
electrocute swimmers in the vicinity.
When you connect your underwater metal to the shore power ground you
have "bonded" with every other boat on the docks who have the same
connection. Now electrolysis currents are free to flow anywhere in
the marina and it only takes one boat with a 12 volt DC leakage to eat
up every boat within a wide radius even though the offender has zero
electrolysis evidence.
Your protection is a Galvanic Isolator in the ground connection of the
shore power lead. You don't have to purchase ours (although they are
typically less than 1/2 the price of our competitors). Any Galvanic
Isolator that meets AYBC specifications will do - they are not rocket
science and extremely reliable. We have sold thousands, all on
unconditional warranty and have never had a return due to failure.
Feel free to ask general interest questions here or email me if you
prefer.


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Thursday, 27 March 2008
Re: FA: APELCO MARINE VHF FM RADIO Telephone VXL 5110 Geoff Schultz 20:04:19
 ecadbx@gmail.com wrote in
news:3e091e00-22d9-­4f91-8280-18c91f6e36­74@m44g2000hsc.googl­egroups.com:

Very good condition, works perfectly, tested with SWR meter and
scanner.
ame=STRK%3AMESE%3AI­T&viewitem=&item=110­237434485&rd=1

You should be posting this to rec.boats.marketpla­ce so that discussion
related news groups don't get filled up with FS and FA items.

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.or­g
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Re: APELCO MARINE VHF FM RADIO Telephone VXL 5110 F.L.A.-J.I.M.@THENET.org 19:54:21
 Roughly how old is it? Don't need the specific year. Just the decade will
do. ;-

<ecadbx@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3e091e00-22d9-­4f91-8280-18c91f6e36­74@m44g2000hsc.googl­egroups.com...
Very good condition, works perfectly, tested with SWR meter and
scanner.

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Wednesday, 26 March 2008
Apartman Baska Island Krk Marijan 22:48:02
 Info:
www.apartmani-baska­-krk.com


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sailboat antenna tuners Rb 21:47:42
 What are a couple or three antenna tuner for mast/sloper sailboat antennas?


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electronic charts format Josce 21:44:45
 I am thinking of writing my own navigation software.
Not to save money, but just for the fun of it, and
because I would like it to be an "open system" so that
I can easily add features to it from time to time.
I have sorted out the hardware but I am having problems with
the electronic charts. The charts I would need right now
have to cover the Baltic sea.

When trying to find documentation about the "S-57" format
I only find very "strange" documentation which is not
very helpful. It is as if someone has made it obscure on
purpose?
It is very likely that I just haven't found the right
documentation for this, but the ones I have found like:

IHO TRANSFER STANDARD
for
DIGITAL HYDROGRAPHIC DATA
Edition 3.1 - November 2000
Special Publication No. 57

are not very intuitive, compared to nearly any Internet RFC, which
you just read and then start implementing it ...

Are there any commercially available charts that can be used on a PC.
And to make it clear, I have no intention of cracking any codes and
I am more than happy to pay for these charts and "lock" them to the
computer that I install them on.

And how do you read these charts?

Josce
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Wireless and Waterproof Remote PC screen Wayne . B 07:47:44
 Every once in awhile something interesting shows up in my inbox buried
under all of the other advertisements. Yesterday I received this one:

http://tinyurl.com/­yrl8bb

It purports to be a wireless, waterproof, touch sensitive screen for
remote control and display of a PC. It looks like it might be
particularly useful for the cockpit of sailboats or on small power
boats. Apparently it is battery operated.

Anyone have any experience with something like this?

I have no connection with the product or vendor.
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Friday, 21 March 2008
Re: HDTV antenna suggestions Larry 17:55:14
 "s/v Sunshine, PDQ 36" <philiprmcgovern@gm­ail.com> wrote in news:afbb5117-
7ec1-4e2a-b0e4-47ea­e3e2b51c@13g2000hsb.­googlegroups.com:

Dear Group:
Any recommendations for an HDTV antenna to be installed on the mast
below the radar antenna? Also, does it really need to be "amplified"
by 12 volts of juice? The thirteen year old antenna now on the boat
is amplified, but often seems provide better reception when the power
to it is turned off. Many thanks for any help.
Phil McGovern
s/v Sunshine

As most US stations are moving to the lower UHF channels and off VHF so the
greedy lawyers running the FCC can line their pockets selling the public's
airwaves in more auctions, you should concentrate on a UHF panel antenna.

This is great because it's not very big at all and it is amplified to make
up for the high loss of UHF in the coax down the mast. Get it as high as
you can, but NOT on top of the mast where the lightning this summer will
just eat it. They come in various mounting arrangements and it should
stand off the metal mast a few inches to the side would be best.

I have a Philips, which comes with a DC coupler to put the amp power onto
the coax with the RF. It's only 5' above my house and I can watch
Beaufort, SC, analog and digital at 40 miles and some nights great digital
from Savannah one hundred miles to the South of Charleston. I get 10
channels, analog and digital to a Hauppauge USB TV plug in my laptop.

America is in for a big shock when they find they can no longer watch TV
while cruising down the road or across the harbor. Very high speed digital
TV cannot tolerate the phase shifting that motion of the vehicle over about
5 mph creates. Even when you are staring at the 2000' towers running
megawatts of power, as soon as you start moving, the picture locks and
stays locked until you stop, once again, when it comes in perfect. The
plug comes with a little magnetic mount whip antenna for portable use.
But, TV in motion's days are ended.

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Loss of s/v Daisy in Doublehanded Lightship race (San Francisco) this past weekend John Navas 00:38:06
 Full story at <http://yachtpals.c­om/boating/lightship­-race>

It's all too easy to forget that yacht racing is an extreme and
hazardous sport, particularly (as in this case) shorthanded, and that
conditions outside San Francisco Bay can be treacherous -- we've lost a
number of good, well-sailed boats in the past few years. A friend of
mine lost his J/35 in a quite similar way a few years ago, but was lucky
enough to survive along with his partner.

In this latest incident there was apparently no EPIRB signal, so it's
likely there was no automatic EPIRB properly mounted and ready, which
might well have alerted the USCG fast enough to save lives. There's been
discussion of making EPIRB mandatory in ocean races, but no action thus
far, even though cost is now quite reasonable (as little as $500).
Hopefully this tragic incident will improve the chances of making EPIRB
mandatory in ocean races, preferably automatic EPIRB properly mounted
and ready.

-John Navas
http://sail.navas.u­s

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Re: Outboard engine cooling system question Brian Whatcott 00:36:04
 On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 07:29:09 -0700 (PDT), Frank
<frank.gerry@comcas­t.net> wrote:

I have a Mercury 3.3hp 2 stroke engine that fell into the water last
season. When I recovered it I disassembled it and cleaned or replaced
every part. I put everything back together, brought the engine
outside, put it in a barrel of water and started it up. It started up
fine after a few pulls and appeared to run great, until I noticed that
no water was being expelled from the tube leading to the powerhead.
The manual calls it the water pump indicator hole.
I immediately stopped the engine of course to avoid overheating. I
then took apart the lower unit, replaced the water impellor and
gaskets. Upon starting the engine again, still no water was being
expelled.
I verified that the water tube connecting the pump housing to the
powerhead was clear of debris. I verified that the water tube in the
shaft was properly seated in the pump housing when I reattached the
lower unit. I believe I installed the water impellor in the correct
orientation. The powerhead should be clear, I disablembled and cleaned
every component. And I made sure the water pump indicator hole was
clear.
I can't for the life of me figure out what could be wrong with the
cooling system. I made sure the water level in the barrel was well
above the water intake. When the engine was running the water tank was
bubbling up quite a bit ( no prop) so I assume the impellor was
working. Anyone have any ideas what could be wrong. Any guesses whould
be appreciated.
Frank


Off the top.....some small engines have a little scoop adjacent to the
prop which motivates a cooling water flow. No prop, no flow.

Brian Whatcott Altus OK
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Thursday, 20 March 2008
Re: Sunday March 22: CANCELLED: Repeat of South Platte Paddle Trip Dave Allured 20:19:24
 Wouldn't you know it, the coordinator cancelled this, due to a change in
the forecast, right after I posted. She sez: "I will reschedule it
soon".

--Dave

Dave Allured wrote:
This trip is being repeated on March 22, thanks to Debbie Hinde of
Poudre Paddlers. Go to the link below for more details.
--Dave
Dave Allured wrote:
Hello paddlers.
Everyone is invited to the Seventh Annual South Platte River Joint
Spring Paddle Trip. This is a casual class I day trip with two
destinations at 9 and 14 river miles. The location is Evans to Kuner,
southeast of Greeley, Colorado. We expect about 50 to 70 people.
Canoes, sea kayaks, and most any type of low draft small paddle craft
would be appropriate.
This event is hosted by Rocky Mountain Canoe Club, Poudre Paddlers Club,
Rocky Mountain Sea Kayak Club, Canoe Colorado, and High Country River
Rafters. For more details, please visit this web page:
--Dave A.
Contact for Rocky Mountain Canoe Club
303-499-7466
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Sunday March 22: Repeat of South Platte Paddle Trip Dave Allured 19:36:30
 This trip is being repeated on March 22, thanks to Debbie Hinde of
Poudre Paddlers. Go to the link below for more details.

--Dave

Dave Allured wrote:
Hello paddlers.
Everyone is invited to the Seventh Annual South Platte River Joint
Spring Paddle Trip. This is a casual class I day trip with two
destinations at 9 and 14 river miles. The location is Evans to Kuner,
southeast of Greeley, Colorado. We expect about 50 to 70 people.
Canoes, sea kayaks, and most any type of low draft small paddle craft
would be appropriate.
This event is hosted by Rocky Mountain Canoe Club, Poudre Paddlers Club,
Rocky Mountain Sea Kayak Club, Canoe Colorado, and High Country River
Rafters. For more details, please visit this web page:
--Dave A.
Contact for Rocky Mountain Canoe Club
303-499-7466
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Double bladed canoe paddle length Guest 05:34:47
 I've never used a double bladed paddle in a canoe before. Is there a
rule of thumb for determining length?
I'll be using it for cruising flat, maybe slow moving, water. Solo in
a Penobscot 16.
I've never even considered a double blade before but I think I'd like
to give it a go just to see.
TIA
Rick
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