Patrick Johnson 24 March 2005 09:36:20 [ permanent link ]
Deno:
[Who else is sad about] the Terri Schiavo case?
I'm sad that we live in a society where the Republicans can successfully use it to pander to their religious meddler vote base - and that I'll have to hear all the maudlin sentiment about it now that you've brought it up here.
Deno J. Andrews 24 March 2005 09:43:37 [ permanent link ]
I'm sad that we live in a world where a women who supposedly has permanent brain damage can't even get an MRI. Deno
"Patrick Johnson" <patrick.johnson@comcast.net> wrote in message news:FeGdnfG0DtFJzN_fRVn-gw@comcast.com...> and that I'll have to hear all the maudlin sentiment about it now that you've brought it up here.
On 3/24/05 12:36 AM, in article FeGdnfG0DtFJzN_fRVn-gw@comcast.com, "Patrick Johnson" <patrick.johnson@comcast.net> wrote:
Deno:>
[Who else is sad about] the Terri Schiavo case?>
I'm sad that we live in a society where the Republicans can successfully> use it to pander to their religious meddler vote base - and that I'll> have to hear all the maudlin sentiment about it now that you've brought> it up here.>
Pat Johnson> Chicago
I'm sad that a media circus erupts over a personal, confidential, medical issue and that people like you have to become emotionally attached to someone you've never met thousands of miles away.
Mere moments before death, Deno J. Andrews hastily scrawled: >I'm sad that we live in a world where a women who supposedly has permanent>brain damage can't even get an MRI.
Who told you she's never had an MRI?
Ed Chauvin IV
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"Patrick Johnson" <patrick.johnson@comcast.net> wrote in message news:FeGdnfG0DtFJzN_fRVn-gw@comcast.com...> Deno:>
[Who else is sad about] the Terri Schiavo case?>
I'm sad that we live in a society where the Republicans can successfully> use it to pander to their religious meddler vote base - and that I'll> have to hear all the maudlin sentiment about it now that you've brought> it up here.>
Pat Johnson> Chicago
well Pat, when you're right your right... and you are right on all counts
"Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:dss0e.2902$yq2.786@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...> I'm sad that we live in a world where a women who supposedly has permanent> brain damage can't even get an MRI.
that would be a COUNTRY, not a world... another sad comment on the right-wing-to-lifers
Otto
Deno>
"Patrick Johnson" <patrick.johnson@comcast.net> wrote in message> news:FeGdnfG0DtFJzN_fRVn-gw@comcast.com...> > and that I'll have to hear all the maudlin sentiment about it now that> you've brought it up here.>
"Jim Wyant" <j.wyant@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:BE67BF50.38F64%j.wyant@sbcglobal.net...> On 3/24/05 12:36 AM, in article FeGdnfG0DtFJzN_fRVn-gw@comcast.com, "Patrick> Johnson" <patrick.johnson@comcast.net> wrote:>
Deno:> >
[Who else is sad about] the Terri Schiavo case?> >
I'm sad that we live in a society where the Republicans can successfully> > use it to pander to their religious meddler vote base - and that I'll> > have to hear all the maudlin sentiment about it now that you've brought> > it up here.> >
Pat Johnson> > Chicago>
I'm sad that a media circus erupts over a personal, confidential, medical> issue and that people like you have to become emotionally attached to> someone you've never met thousands of miles away.>
--Jim
well, I guess I'm sad that you are dense enough to think this is only about one person, one life, one family
Rsb-Asp-Google@S-C-Ellis.Com 24 March 2005 17:14:54 [ permanent link ]
Patrick Johnson wrote:> Deno:>
[Who else is sad about] the Terri Schiavo case?>
I'm sad that we live in a society where the Republicans can
successfully> use it to pander to their religious meddler vote base - and that I'll
have to hear all the maudlin sentiment about it now that you've
brought> it up here.>
Pat Johnson> Chicago
The odd thing I find is that the Republicans are behaving as I expect the Democrats to and the Democrats are behaving as I expect the Republicans to. I guess it's unimportant which side of the issue they each take as long as they disagree, that's what's important.
IMHO, medical science is keeping people "alive" much too long and this woman should be ALLOWED to pass on. To allow her to die is the most humane thing that could be done for all concerned, even her parents who can't seem to let go.
Further IMO, medical science in it's blind commitment to longevity as the purpose of medical practice is missing the boat entirely. You know, we're suppose to die after a while. Why? I don't know, but we're clearly supposed to die.
Steve. <== a non-religous conservative who is liberal on some issues.
BTW Deno, Ottomatic was right, this really belongs in ASP I suppose.
I just hope that if anything positive comes from this situation it is that we all take the time to discuss this issue with our loved ones. Make sure they understand how you feel on the situation and what your wishes are......get it in writing if you can. None of us want to imagine ourselves in the place that Terry Shiavo is in, but it could happen at any moment.......some of us would want to be kept alive in the hope for a medical miracle......others wouldn't want to go on without the ability to be ourselves......it's a matter of personal opinion. But no matter what your opinion is it doesn't matter unless it has been clearly stated to your family.
Tim Tindall
agree you probably shoulda put this in ASP underneath the thread about your new coffee pot.........LoL
Patrick Johnson 24 March 2005 18:55:05 [ permanent link ]
Deno J. Andrews wrote:
I'm sad that we live in a world where a women who supposedly has permanent> brain damage can't even get an MRI.
I think she's had at least one during her years of being trapped in her useless body receiving every kind of medical care and evaluation - all so we can avoid the really tough question that might actually help her and feel self righteous about "sanctifying life" in the process.
But I doubt that the members of Congress who hope to prolong her agony while they make political hay with her, or the religious superstitionists who can only see black and white and want to use her to advance their dumbed-down political agenda, know that or care.
Deno J. Andrews 24 March 2005 19:07:38 [ permanent link ]
I'm not emotionally attached to her. I'm sad over the situation. And there is nothing personal or confidential about it, this affects everyone in one way or another. There are many issues here, one of which will probably affect each of us at one point or another and that is access to proper medical care. Another issue is who gets to decide your life or death if you haven't expressed your wishes in writing. I am a huge advocate of the right to die for those who really want it. But how do we know that was her wish? The husband contends she told him once. The parents contend she would never have a feeding tube removed...who to believe??? I don't think I believe either party. Then there is the aspect of government intervention on both sides- state sponsored taking of a life or state sponsored keeping one alive against the will. Either way it isn't good. I don't think anything of what I have written is pro keeping her alive or showing any sort of personal attachment to her. The situation is unfortuate and it is only getting worse. Deno
"Jim Wyant" <j.wyant@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:BE67BF50.38F64%j.wyant@sbcglobal.net...> I'm sad that a media circus erupts over a personal, confidential, medical> issue and that people like you have to become emotionally attached to> someone you've never met thousands of miles away.
Deno J. Andrews 24 March 2005 19:11:08 [ permanent link ]
ASP is dead. There is like one person reading it. This is a legal issue that affects everyone...even pool players. Deno
<rsb-asp-google@s-c-ellis.com> wrote in message news:1111670094.760998.326030@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...>
Patrick Johnson wrote:> > Deno:> >
[Who else is sad about] the Terri Schiavo case?> >
I'm sad that we live in a society where the Republicans can> successfully> > use it to pander to their religious meddler vote base - and that I'll>
have to hear all the maudlin sentiment about it now that you've> brought> > it up here.> >
Pat Johnson> > Chicago>
The odd thing I find is that the Republicans are behaving as I expect> the Democrats to and the Democrats are behaving as I expect the> Republicans to. I guess it's unimportant which side of the issue they> each take as long as they disagree, that's what's important. >
IMHO, medical science is keeping people "alive" much too long and this> woman should be ALLOWED to pass on. To allow her to die is the most> humane thing that could be done for all concerned, even her parents who> can't seem to let go.>
Further IMO, medical science in it's blind commitment to longevity as> the purpose of medical practice is missing the boat entirely. You know,> we're suppose to die after a while. Why? I don't know, but we're> clearly supposed to die.>
Steve. <== a non-religous conservative who is liberal on some issues.>
BTW Deno, Ottomatic was right, this really belongs in ASP I suppose.>
Deno J. Andrews 24 March 2005 19:20:53 [ permanent link ]
She hasn't had an MRI, at least that is what her brother said and one of the nurses who has cared for her. They both said the test was not approved by her guardian. She may have had a CT scan over ten years ago, which isn't even in the same category of quality. I do think it is sad that politicians take this opportunity to push an agenda rather than to make laws more clear for the future. If she doesn't want to live in this state, then her wishes should be granted. But without it in writing, how can anyone be sure that was her wish? Deno
"Patrick Johnson" <patrick.johnsonREMOVE@THIScomcast.net> wrote in message news:dxA0e.10445$ZB6.4517@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...> Deno J. Andrews wrote:>
I'm sad that we live in a world where a women who supposedly has
permanent> > brain damage can't even get an MRI.>
I think she's had at least one during her years of being trapped in her> useless body receiving every kind of medical care and evaluation - all> so we can avoid the really tough question that might actually help her> and feel self righteous about "sanctifying life" in the process.>
But I doubt that the members of Congress who hope to prolong her agony> while they make political hay with her, or the religious> superstitionists who can only see black and white and want to use her to> advance their dumbed-down political agenda, know that or care.>
Why do you feel this is a legal issue that affects everyone?
Jim "Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:gMA0e.3093$yq2.14@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...> ASP is dead. There is like one person reading it. This is a legal issue> that affects everyone...even pool players.> Deno>
<rsb-asp-google@s-c-ellis.com> wrote in message> news:1111670094.760998.326030@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...>>
Patrick Johnson wrote:>> > Deno:>> >
[Who else is sad about] the Terri Schiavo case?>> >
I'm sad that we live in a society where the Republicans can>> successfully>> > use it to pander to their religious meddler vote base - and that I'll>>
have to hear all the maudlin sentiment about it now that you've>> brought>> > it up here.>> >
Pat Johnson>> > Chicago>>
The odd thing I find is that the Republicans are behaving as I expect>> the Democrats to and the Democrats are behaving as I expect the>> Republicans to. I guess it's unimportant which side of the issue they>> each take as long as they disagree, that's what's important. >>
IMHO, medical science is keeping people "alive" much too long and this>> woman should be ALLOWED to pass on. To allow her to die is the most>> humane thing that could be done for all concerned, even her parents who>> can't seem to let go.>>
Further IMO, medical science in it's blind commitment to longevity as>> the purpose of medical practice is missing the boat entirely. You know,>> we're suppose to die after a while. Why? I don't know, but we're>> clearly supposed to die.>>
Steve. <== a non-religous conservative who is liberal on some issues.>>
BTW Deno, Ottomatic was right, this really belongs in ASP I suppose.>>
So now the Florida Dept of Children and Family will enter the picture and, armed, will assume guardianship of Schiavo and have the tube reinserted. May be a little gunplay before its all over.
Shades of the cuban kid in Miami a few years ago.
Jim
"HopsNBarley" <HopsNBarley@ccogeco.ca> wrote in message news:3ag6o9F69ss41U1@individual.net...> This just in!>
Schiavo's Parents Lose Supreme Court Appeal> The U.S. Supreme Court refuses to order Terri Schiavo's feeding tube be> reinserted.>
Deno J. Andrews 24 March 2005 20:13:13 [ permanent link ]
Because it is a question of how you want the state involved in your private affairs. Are your wishes clear about what to do if you are faced with a situation like hers? Would you want the state pulling the plug, or keeping you alive, against your wishes? It is a legal matter that everyone should address should they be in a similar situation. Deno
"Jim" <jwhite18816NOSPAM@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:d2B0e.3334$H06.2738@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...> Why do you feel this is a legal issue that affects everyone?
Deno J. Andrews 24 March 2005 20:20:10 [ permanent link ]
"Patrick Johnson" <patrick.johnsonREMOVE@THIScomcast.net> wrote in message news:MeB0e.10456$ZB6.5776@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...>But there's a more difficult question:> what's most humane for the patient regardless of what she said while> healthy and clueless?
I think this is a good point. Do you think it is humane to starve her to death? Wouldn't be more humane to inject a lethal dose of something that would act quickly and without a week of malnourishment? I mean, if it is her desire to die, why make her suffer more?
How about when life is inhumane?
Starvation is somehow humane? I believe that if it was her wish not to live in this state, that she be put to death humanely.
about taking responsibility for making tough decisions rather than> hiding behind bumper sticker sentiment? It would be illegal to confine> a convicted criminal in a prison like hers.
"You are hereby sentenced to a permanent vegetative state by the great state of Illinois" I guess it isn't the death penalty
Deno J. Andrews 24 March 2005 20:49:47 [ permanent link ]
You are right Mike, pool players don't seek proper medical help nor are they affected by the government. Deno
"Mike Page" <mike.page@ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote in message news:mike.page-47F47C.10422624032005@news.supernews.com...> In article <gMA0e.3093$yq2.14@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>,> "Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote:>
ASP is dead. There is like one person reading it. This is a legal
issue> > that affects everyone...even pool players.> > Deno> >
I just wondered what angle you were using when you stated what you said. No, I don't want the state to keep me alive if in a vegative state. The only reason hospitals do so is because of fear of lawsuits. Certainly not out of any outstanding concern for the patient.
But no matter how you define your wishes in a legal document, if someone - like her parents - wants to fight your decision, they will be able to do so and you will hang on forever. "What is the meaning of "is"?"
The florida legislature is about to pass a law that will allow the husband to state he thinks his wife is endangering his life and allow him to kill her.
Jim
"Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:tGB0e.2230$c76.1217@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...> Because it is a question of how you want the state involved in your > private> affairs. Are your wishes clear about what to do if you are faced with a> situation like hers? Would you want the state pulling the plug, or > keeping> you alive, against your wishes? It is a legal matter that everyone should> address should they be in a similar situation.> Deno>
"Jim" <jwhite18816NOSPAM@earthlink.net> wrote in message> news:d2B0e.3334$H06.2738@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...>> Why do you feel this is a legal issue that affects everyone?>
Tanaka Hiroshamika 24 March 2005 22:29:12 [ permanent link ]
IM SICK O LIVING IN A WORLD OF FAGGITS AND BILLIARDS PLAYERS
I'm sad that we live in a world where a women who supposedly has permanent> brain damage can't even get an MRI.> Deno>
"Patrick Johnson" <patrick.johnson@comcast.net> wrote in message> news:FeGdnfG0DtFJzN_fRVn-gw@comcast.com...> > and that I'll have to hear all the maudlin sentiment about it now that> you've brought it up here.
Patrick Johnson 24 March 2005 23:02:16 [ permanent link ]
Me:>>But there's a more difficult question:>>what's most humane for the patient regardless of what she said while>>healthy and clueless?
Deno:> I think this is a good point. Do you think it is humane to starve her to> death? Wouldn't be more humane to inject a lethal dose of something that> would act quickly and without a week of malnourishment? I mean, if it is> her desire to die, why make her suffer more?
I agree with the sentiment, although doctors say starvation doesn't cause suffering in these "vegetative" people (I don't know, of course).
However, there's another issue with this: "taking" her life is somewhat different from ceasing to intervene to prolong it. I agree that it might be more humane to kill her quickly, but I don't know if that incremental difference is worth setting foot on the slippery slope of doctors "taking" life. That's a very tough question that I don't yet have a firm opinion about, but the last thing we should do is dodge the tough questions with an easy answer like passing the buck to "God's will". Terri Schiavo deserves better from us than that.
BTW, I also think promoting living wills is just another way society passes the buck. None of us can know now what we'll really want if that time comes for us, and we should be able to rely on our society to make the most careful, caring and humane decision possible on our behalf then, based on the best medical and ethical arts that exist at the time.
"You are hereby sentenced to a permanent vegetative state by the great state> of Illinois" I guess it isn't the death penalty
I wonder how many would choose the death penalty if given a choice?
The florida legislature is about to pass a law that will allow the husband > to state he thinks his wife is endangering his life and allow him to kill > her.
Is this a different case you are talking about? That is so far from what we are talking about, you must not be referring to the Schiavo case.
This case has nothing to do with the husband's life. He has been offered millions (10M and 1M?) of dollars to stop fighting for his wife's right to die and he has turned all offers down. I have a feeling that if he were simply trying to get out of taking care of her, $10M would go a long way to easing his inconvenience. He is not killing her, he is trying to prevent others from forcing her body to continue living against her wishes. His wife died 15 years ago.
If all life is so precious, regardless of circumstance, then why is the death penalty so popular in the U.S.? Bush just said that in complex situations he believed he always should err on the side of life. How many people have been put to death without positive proof of their guilt? A good circumstantial case that is not positive but pretty darn sure is enough to put take away a person's life in the U.S. Where is the sanctity of all life there? In this, Bush is a hippocrate.
well, because years of lurking have taught me that RSB is for pool/billiard discussions and ASP is for this kind of stuff
and you know that too
Otto
"Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:_KA0e.3092$yq2.393@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...> "ottomatic" <spamout@spamno.net> wrote> > DENO, WHY DIDN"T YOU POST THIS ON ASP!!!!>
Otto,> If you don't agree to the venue, then why did you respond???> Deno>
"Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:tGB0e.2230$c76.1217@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...> Because it is a question of how you want the state involved in your private> affairs. Are your wishes clear about what to do if you are faced with a> situation like hers? Would you want the state pulling the plug, or keeping> you alive, against your wishes? It is a legal matter that everyone should> address should they be in a similar situation.> Deno
which qualifies it as a valid topic for discussion, but NOT as a valid one for RSB
Otto>
"Jim" <jwhite18816NOSPAM@earthlink.net> wrote in message> news:d2B0e.3334$H06.2738@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...> > Why do you feel this is a legal issue that affects everyone?>
"Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:LcC0e.1262$oy3.416@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...> You are right Mike, pool players don't seek proper medical help nor are they> affected by the government.> Deno
so, is this the only newsgroup you knkow of?
you wouldn't, maybe, have a slight problem with admitting when you are wrong would you?
Otto
"Mike Page" <mike.page@ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote in message> news:mike.page-47F47C.10422624032005@news.supernews.com...> > In article <gMA0e.3093$yq2.14@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>,> > "Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote:> >
ASP is dead. There is like one person reading it. This is a legal> issue> > > that affects everyone...even pool players.> > > Deno> > >
"ottomatic" <spamout@lnospam.net> wrote in message news:0sI0e.5138$cg1.4213@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...>
"Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message> news:LcC0e.1262$oy3.416@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...> > You are right Mike, pool players don't seek proper medical help nor are> they> > affected by the government.> > Deno>
so, is this the only newsgroup you knkow of?>
you wouldn't, maybe, have a slight problem with admitting when you are
wrong> would you?>
Otto>
"Mike Page" <mike.page@ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote in message> > news:mike.page-47F47C.10422624032005@news.supernews.com...> > > In article <gMA0e.3093$yq2.14@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>,> > > "Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote:> > >
ASP is dead. There is like one person reading it. This is a legal> > issue> > > > that affects everyone...even pool players.> > > > Deno> > > >
Gordon Matheson 25 March 2005 08:54:12 [ permanent link ]
"Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message newsVA0e.2216 If she doesn't want to live in this state, then her wishes> should be granted. But without it in writing, how can anyone be sure that> was her wish?> Deno
Let's see;. everybody who would wish to live for years trapped in a bed while thinking of nothing RAISE YOUR HANDS..
What if she is thinking of something or has constant dreams. That would be worse. I think her parents are morons and deserve to have the same fate as her daughter. If you think it is helping her by keeping her in a "kumquat on life support" state then IMO you are in the same state as her parents (moronic, not Florida.) Personally, this pathetic case has made my opinion of our judiciarary escalate considerably.
G. - no patience for morons with no room for pity in their tiny brains.
Actually Stephen, I included it in my thoughts about Schiavo because Our beloved idiots in the Florida legislature is in the process of passing a bill that will allow murder in the streets if a person feels their life is in danger, then all they have to do is kill the person. I pray it doesn't pass in its present form. I suppose if Schiavo's husband wanted to carry it far enough, he might be able to say his life was in danger.
It was frustration that they (Our elected officials) would consider such a dumb thing and at the same time pass laws to keep someone alive that didn't want to be kept alive.
Sorry about the confusion.
Jim
"Stephen" <Steelystephen@coldmail.com> wrote in message news:e1bc1$42434662$d111901f$32755@MDI.CA...> Jim wrote:>
The florida legislature is about to pass a law that will allow the >> husband to state he thinks his wife is endangering his life and allow him >> to kill her.>
Is this a different case you are talking about? That is so far from> what we are talking about, you must not be referring to the Schiavo> case.>
This case has nothing to do with the husband's life. He has been> offered millions (10M and 1M?) of dollars to stop fighting for his> wife's right to die and he has turned all offers down. I have a feeling> that if he were simply trying to get out of taking care of her, $10M> would go a long way to easing his inconvenience. He is not killing her,> he is trying to prevent others from forcing her body to continue living> against her wishes. His wife died 15 years ago.>
If all life is so precious, regardless of circumstance, then why is the> death penalty so popular in the U.S.? Bush just said that in complex> situations he believed he always should err on the side of life. How> many people have been put to death without positive proof of their> guilt? A good circumstantial case that is not positive but pretty darn> sure is enough to put take away a person's life in the U.S. Where is> the sanctity of all life there? In this, Bush is a hippocrate.>
I'm sad that we live in a society where the Republicans can successfully > use it to pander to their religious meddler vote base - and that I'll > have to hear all the maudlin sentiment about it now that you've brought > it up here.>
Pat Johnson> Chicago
It's not as simple as that. I'm all for abortions and euthanasia, but something smells with this case.
On 3/24/05 7:55 AM, in article IMy0e.3511$cg1.1078@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "ottomatic" <spamout@spamno.net> wrote:
"Jim Wyant" <j.wyant@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message> news:BE67BF50.38F64%j.wyant@sbcglobal.net...>> On 3/24/05 12:36 AM, in article FeGdnfG0DtFJzN_fRVn-gw@comcast.com,> "Patrick>> Johnson" <patrick.johnson@comcast.net> wrote:>>
Deno:>>>
[Who else is sad about] the Terri Schiavo case?>>>
I'm sad that we live in a society where the Republicans can successfully>>> use it to pander to their religious meddler vote base - and that I'll>>> have to hear all the maudlin sentiment about it now that you've brought>>> it up here.>>>
Pat Johnson>>> Chicago>>
I'm sad that a media circus erupts over a personal, confidential, medical>> issue and that people like you have to become emotionally attached to>> someone you've never met thousands of miles away.>>
--Jim>
well, I guess I'm sad that you are dense enough to think this is only about> one person, one life, one family>
Otto
You're right. What makes it even worse is that one person, one life, one family, one judge, is setting legal precedents for all of us. It's a shame we need to have a fervor and focus on a disabled individual in order to have valued testimony on a decision that should never be made in the heat of passion.
So what happens if she changed her mind, either way, immediately before slipping into the state she's in. Who would know. My father always said he would never go through chemo, radiation, etc, if he got cancer. When he got cancer, he did it all. When I asked him what changed his mind his answer was "when it is you, and the time comes, your thought process is completely changed".
--Jim
On 3/24/05 10:07 AM, in article _IA0e.3091$yq2.2695@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com, "Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I'm not emotionally attached to her. I'm sad over the situation. And there> is nothing personal or confidential about it, this affects everyone in one> way or another. There are many issues here, one of which will probably> affect each of us at one point or another and that is access to proper> medical care. Another issue is who gets to decide your life or death if you> haven't expressed your wishes in writing. I am a huge advocate of the right> to die for those who really want it. But how do we know that was her wish?> The husband contends she told him once. The parents contend she would never> have a feeding tube removed...who to believe??? I don't think I believe> either party. Then there is the aspect of government intervention on both> sides- state sponsored taking of a life or state sponsored keeping one alive> against the will. Either way it isn't good. I don't think anything of what> I have written is pro keeping her alive or showing any sort of personal> attachment to her. The situation is unfortuate and it is only getting> worse.> Deno>
"Jim Wyant" <j.wyant@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message> news:BE67BF50.38F64%j.wyant@sbcglobal.net...>> I'm sad that a media circus erupts over a personal, confidential, medical>> issue and that people like you have to become emotionally attached to>> someone you've never met thousands of miles away.>
And as for the complainers joining the discussion, well I suppose it's> like when I criticized my wife last week for putting a bowl of jelly> beans on the dining room table. Now I've walked by it 50 times, and> there's only pinks and purples and whites left....
OK now that is more info than I needed. Mike P. is a "selective jelly bean picker-outer". I'm a "grab a handfull" kind of guy myself. Who would walk by and just pick a specific color. Well I suppose if they were Jelly Belly's with distinct flavors but hey I can't afford the upscale jelly beans so most of them all taste the same. LOL
"Jim Wyant" <j.wyant@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:BE69195A.3901A%j.wyant@sbcglobal.net...> On 3/24/05 7:55 AM, in article> IMy0e.3511$cg1.1078@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net, "ottomatic"> <spamout@spamno.net> wrote:>
"Jim Wyant" <j.wyant@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message> > news:BE67BF50.38F64%j.wyant@sbcglobal.net...> >> On 3/24/05 12:36 AM, in article FeGdnfG0DtFJzN_fRVn-gw@comcast.com,> > "Patrick> >> Johnson" <patrick.johnson@comcast.net> wrote:> >>
Deno:> >>>
[Who else is sad about] the Terri Schiavo case?> >>>
I'm sad that we live in a society where the Republicans can
successfully> >>> use it to pander to their religious meddler vote base - and that I'll> >>> have to hear all the maudlin sentiment about it now that you've brought> >>> it up here.> >>>
Pat Johnson> >>> Chicago> >>
I'm sad that a media circus erupts over a personal, confidential,
medical> >> issue and that people like you have to become emotionally attached to> >> someone you've never met thousands of miles away.> >>
--Jim> >
well, I guess I'm sad that you are dense enough to think this is only
about> > one person, one life, one family> >
Otto>
You're right.
What makes it even worse is that one person, one life, one> family, one judge, is setting legal precedents for all of us. It's a
shame> we need to have a fervor and focus on a disabled individual in order to have> valued testimony on a decision that should never be made in the heat of> passion.
you are correct sir! and well stated....
the only hope I see is that maybe, and a very small maybe it is, all this car-wreck publicity will motivate lots of folks who don't want to risk ever winding up in a similar situation, to take the steps to avoid it
While, this discussion has nothing to do with pool, everyone seems to be enjoying it by responding, condemning or interacting with this thread and your post about your father reminded me of my dad who passed away many years ago. He was ill for many years in and out of the hospital primarily for mini-strokes which didn't kill him all at one time but slowly stole his health over a period of several years. In his last days he said to me that in spite of all of the illness and suffering it was impressive how a person responds to death (talking about himself). He said he had noticed that the closer he got to death the more tightly he tried to hold on to life.
You should tell EVERYONE what you want and don't want as it relates to this subject. Even settling an estate with a will can create furor and infighting that rivals any cancer. If you change your mind, tell EVERYONE who will listen how you have changed your mind and put it in writing.
Sad? Absolutely. Mostly for the parents, husband and immediate family.
I was wondering though, how many times per week did each of these parties see her during these last 18 years and what personal care did they individually provide for her. It is easy to talk about these things but it is far harder to live them and allow them to become your daily burden or privilege. JoeyA
"Jim Wyant" <j.wyant@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:BE691BA2.3901C%j.wyant@sbcglobal.net... : So what happens if she changed her mind, either way, immediately before : slipping into the state she's in. Who would know. My father always said he : would never go through chemo, radiation, etc, if he got cancer. When he got : cancer, he did it all. When I asked him what changed his mind his answer : was "when it is you, and the time comes, your thought process is completely : changed". : : --Jim : : : On 3/24/05 10:07 AM, in article : _IA0e.3091$yq2.2695@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com, "Deno J. Andrews" : <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote: : : > I'm not emotionally attached to her. I'm sad over the situation. And there : > is nothing personal or confidential about it, this affects everyone in one : > way or another. There are many issues here, one of which will probably : > affect each of us at one point or another and that is access to proper : > medical care. Another issue is who gets to decide your life or death if you : > haven't expressed your wishes in writing. I am a huge advocate of the right : > to die for those who really want it. But how do we know that was her wish? : > The husband contends she told him once. The parents contend she would never : > have a feeding tube removed...who to believe??? I don't think I believe : > either party. Then there is the aspect of government intervention on both : > sides- state sponsored taking of a life or state sponsored keeping one alive : > against the will. Either way it isn't good. I don't think anything of what : > I have written is pro keeping her alive or showing any sort of personal : > attachment to her. The situation is unfortuate and it is only getting : > worse. : > Deno : > : > : > "Jim Wyant" <j.wyant@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message : > news:BE67BF50.38F64%j.wyant@sbcglobal.net... : >> I'm sad that a media circus erupts over a personal, confidential, medical : >> issue and that people like you have to become emotionally attached to : >> someone you've never met thousands of miles away. : > : > : :
Deno J. Andrews 25 March 2005 19:31:20 [ permanent link ]
"ottomatic" <spamout@nospam.net> wrote in message news:UAU0e.7075$cg1.1804@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... Deno wrote:> >In that time, we have discussed hundreds (maybe thousands) of off-topic philosophical issues that> > have absolutely nothing to do with the game of billiards.
this falls somewhere between a preposterous exaggeration and an outright
lie
Otto, you are totally wrong. We have discussed off-topic things since day one. If you don't think that's true you are out to lunch.
possibly, but I doubt it,
Socialism, Dallas Cowboys, Mensa...just to name some off topic subjects...and you haven't even been posting very long.
more likely participating in threads that had wandered
Oh I see, well I didn't get your memo that that was accepted.
I have been lurking long enough to understand that this is typical of your
behavior When anyone dares to criticize or, god forbid, disagree with you,> you launch into just such a rant-of-denial
I only have problems when people stick their heads in their butts or become nits...like taking on the role of RSB police the minute you show up.
and BTW, my lurking period is well long enough to include the most recent> time when you 'announced' you were leaving RSB forever
I changed my mind. Is that against your new laws for the newsgroup?
ps: don't ypu know of any other newsgroups,> it's a pretty big Usenet, y'know?
Deno J. Andrews 25 March 2005 19:36:42 [ permanent link ]
"Michael Page" <mike.page@ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote in message news:250320050619041308%mike.page@ndsu.nodak.edu...> Just for the record Deno, I didn't criticize you for posting off topic. I criticized you for your weak justification when you were called on it.
I don't care Mike. You can criticize me all you want and I respect your position. I just have a serious dislike for newbies who think it is their job to determine what is now kosher for this place. Deno
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 12:00:39 -0500, Donald Tees <donald_tees@sympatico.ca> wrote:
If you do not make your intentions clear when you are alive, then >expecting your familly to make them for you is cruel.>
Donald
How true Donald. I was always going to put my affairs in order one day. A week after my brother passed away the wife and I were at the Attorneys office. We both have power of attorney financial and medical, the house in a living trust going to number two daughter if we go together. This is probably one of the best things I did, made my intentions known. Also have a copy of the will with the daughter so the original does not get displaced if and when the other relatives arrive.
"Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:c9W0e.1481$oy3.201@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...> "ottomatic" <spamout@nospam.net> wrote in message> news:UAU0e.7075$cg1.1804@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...> Deno wrote:> >In that time, we have discussed hundreds (maybe thousands)
off-topic philosophical issues that> > > have absolutely nothing to do with the game of billiards.>
this falls somewhere between a preposterous exaggeration and an outright> lie>
Otto, you are totally wrong. We have discussed off-topic things since day> one. If you don't think that's true you are out to lunch.
THOUSANDS you whine assed little nit - YOU said thousands
Otto<mensa level counter, if nothing else>>
possibly, but I doubt it,>
Socialism, Dallas Cowboys, Mensa...just to name some off topic> subjects...and you haven't even been posting very long.
perhaps you should find a Scocialist Dallas Cowboy member of Mensa to explain to you the significant variance between adding to an existing thread that has gone off topic, especially the Mensa related one which was obviously in the silly joking stage, and starting an exceedingly inappropriate thread.
Otto>
more likely participating in threads that had wandered>
Oh I see, well I didn't get your memo that that was accepted.>
I have been lurking long enough to understand that this is typical of
your> behavior When anyone dares to criticize or, god forbid, disagree with you,> > you launch into just such a rant-of-denial>
I only have problems when people stick their heads in their butts or
become> nits...like taking on the role of RSB police the minute you show up.>
and BTW, my lurking period is well long enough to include the most
recent> > time when you 'announced' you were leaving RSB forever>
I changed my mind. Is that against your new laws for the newsgroup?>
ps: don't ypu know of any other newsgroups,> > it's a pretty big Usenet, y'know?>
Deno J. Andrews 26 March 2005 06:52:09 [ permanent link ]
"ottomatic" <spamout@nospam.net> wrote
THOUSANDS you whine assed little nit - YOU said thousands
Wow, that's intelligent! If you want to quote me otto, quote me. Here is exactly what I wrote:
Deno wrote: In that time, we have discussed hundreds (maybe thousands)
of off-topic philosophical issues that have absolutely nothing to do with the game of >> billiards.
Did you get that otto? "...hundreds (maybe thousands)..." Do you see that the claim is "hundreds." And only in those little things...you know... ( ) those things did I present the possibility of "maybe." Maybe means maybe, as in a question, as in a possibility, as in perhaps it is possible to have done so.
... explain to you the significant variance between adding to an existing> thread that has gone off topic, especially the Mensa related one which was
obviously in the silly joking stage,
Off topic is off topic, it doesn't matter if it starts or ends there. And I don't break down rsb threads into stages, it is a silly waste of time. Nor do I nit around and whine to others who go off topic. It actually takes far more time and drama than to simply ignore the thread. Face it, a much larger percentage of your posts since you have been here go off topic than have mine.
Do you watch the apprentice?
Cause.......otto..........................< you're plonked > (with all appropriate tone and gesture).
If you do not make your intentions clear when you are alive, then >> expecting your familly to make them for you is cruel.>
I think it would be inhumane to hold a vegetative person to a wish made > when they're well and clueless.>
Pat Johnson> Chicago
Perhaps so, but it is too late to deny it, the same as if left until after death. I'd live with their decision, regardless of my own feelings. That is what trust is about, and I'd rather my loved ones be able to trust me.
"Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:t741e.3931$c76.2030@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...> "ottomatic" <spamout@nospam.net> wrote>
THOUSANDS you whine assed little nit - YOU said thousands>
Wow, that's intelligent! If you want to quote me otto, quote me. Here is> exactly what I wrote:>
Deno wrote: In that time, we have discussed hundreds (maybe thousands)> of off-topic philosophical issues that have absolutely nothing to do with> the game of >> billiards.>
Did you get that otto? "...hundreds (maybe thousands)..." Do you see
that> the claim is "hundreds." And only in those little things...you know... ( )> those things did I present the possibility of "maybe." Maybe means maybe,
in a question, as in a possibility, as in perhaps it is possible to have> done so.>
... explain to you the significant variance between adding to an
existing> > thread that has gone off topic, especially the Mensa related one which
obviously in the silly joking stage,>
Off topic is off topic, it doesn't matter if it starts or ends there. And
don't break down rsb threads into stages, it is a silly waste of time.
do I nit around and whine to others who go off topic. It actually takes
more time and drama than to simply ignore the thread. Face it, a much> larger percentage of your posts since you have been here go off topic than> have mine.>
Do you watch the apprentice?>
Cause.......otto..........................< you're plonked > (with> all appropriate tone and gesture).>
Otto, dino is one self centered little no heart rug merchant of a nit.
It's great being plonked by him -- you can take all the shots you want and not have to listen to his whining weak assed babble replies
Lou Figueroa
"ottomatic" <spamout@nospam.net> wrote in message news:_Qc1e.460147$w62.342930@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...> Deno has admitted to watching The Apprentice>
I rest my case>
now I know how Lou feels>
Otto>
"Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message> news:t741e.3931$c76.2030@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...> > "ottomatic" <spamout@nospam.net> wrote> >
THOUSANDS you whine assed little nit - YOU said thousands> >
Wow, that's intelligent! If you want to quote me otto, quote me. Here
exactly what I wrote:> >
Deno wrote: In that time, we have discussed hundreds (maybe
thousands)> > of off-topic philosophical issues that have absolutely nothing to do with> > the game of >> billiards.> >
Did you get that otto? "...hundreds (maybe thousands)..." Do you see> that> > the claim is "hundreds." And only in those little things...you know...
( )> > those things did I present the possibility of "maybe." Maybe means maybe,> as> > in a question, as in a possibility, as in perhaps it is possible to have> > done so.> >
... explain to you the significant variance between adding to an> existing> > > thread that has gone off topic, especially the Mensa related one which> was> > obviously in the silly joking stage,> >
Off topic is off topic, it doesn't matter if it starts or ends there.
don't break down rsb threads into stages, it is a silly waste of time.> Nor> > do I nit around and whine to others who go off topic. It actually takes> far> > more time and drama than to simply ignore the thread. Face it, a much> > larger percentage of your posts since you have been here go off topic
"lfigueroa" <lfigueroa@att.net> wrote in message news:Wtg1e.461355$w62.367718@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...> Otto, dino is one self centered little no heart rug merchant of a nit.>
It's great being plonked by him -- you can take all the shots you want
not have to listen to his whining weak assed babble replies >
Lou Figueroa
thanks Lou, I was going to ask you if you wanted to form a club od Deno plonkees
in a way, its a shame, he does know a lot about many aspects of the game/history/equipment, though it mostly 3C related but he has such a childish need for attention and validation that he just has to let everyone know he is the MOST informed person ever
did you see the thread about opening a private snooker and billiard club?
one reply was somethin like (not an exact quote): "sounds like a good way to go broke fast" - 10 words more or less
after that reply was already posted, Deno came back with what seemed like at least a 1000 word lecture, including examples, to say the same thing only slower
Otto<in good company, and prolly on the bubble with some other plonk-ors>
"ottomatic" <spamout@nospam.net> wrote in message> news:_Qc1e.460147$w62.342930@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...> > Deno has admitted to watching The Apprentice> >
I rest my case> >
now I know how Lou feels> >
Otto> >
"Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message> > news:t741e.3931$c76.2030@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...> > > "ottomatic" <spamout@nospam.net> wrote> > >
THOUSANDS you whine assed little nit - YOU said thousands> > >
Wow, that's intelligent! If you want to quote me otto, quote me.
Here> is> > > exactly what I wrote:> > >
Deno wrote: In that time, we have discussed hundreds (maybe> thousands)> > > of off-topic philosophical issues that have absolutely nothing to do> with> > > the game of >> billiards.> > >
Did you get that otto? "...hundreds (maybe thousands)..." Do you see> > that> > > the claim is "hundreds." And only in those little things...you know...> ( )> > > those things did I present the possibility of "maybe." Maybe means> maybe,> > as> > > in a question, as in a possibility, as in perhaps it is possible to
have> > > done so.> > >
... explain to you the significant variance between adding to an> > existing> > > > thread that has gone off topic, especially the Mensa related one
which> > was> > > obviously in the silly joking stage,> > >
Off topic is off topic, it doesn't matter if it starts or ends there.> And> > I> > > don't break down rsb threads into stages, it is a silly waste of time.> > Nor> > > do I nit around and whine to others who go off topic. It actually
takes> > far> > > more time and drama than to simply ignore the thread. Face it, a much> > > larger percentage of your posts since you have been here go off topic> than> > > have mine.> > >
Do you watch the apprentice?> > >
Cause.......otto..........................< you're plonked >> (with> > > all appropriate tone and gesture).> > >
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:15:27 GMT, "ottomatic" <spamout@nospam.net> wrote:
"lfigueroa" <lfigueroa@att.net> wrote>> It's great being plonked by him -- you can take all the shots you want and>> not have to listen to his whining weak assed babble replies
in a way, its a shame, he does know a lot about many aspects of the>game/history/equipment, though it mostly 3C related>but he has such a childish need for attention>and validation that he just has to let everyone know he is the MOST informed>person ever
IMO, one of the best aspects of RSB is the diversity of opinions and personality types in evidence. (Of course, I probably say that because I'm one of the stranger types here. 8;) )
But that diversity makes peaceful coexistence a constant challenge. May I suggest that one technique that works really well to moderate the tiresome bickering is to leave each post that contains a personal attack in your send queue for a few minutes, and then re-read it before clicking the send button?
-- Larry (has met and likes both Lou and Deno, despite being envious of their skills)
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I'm a long time lurker and have thoroghly enjoyed reading a lot of your posts regarding the game. I've also enjoyed reading posts by Deno. Face it, you are both accomplished players but in different ways and different games. I gotta say though that this kind of message that you wrote below is really lame. It takes a real jerk of a guy to write this sort of stuff knowing full well that he ain't going to see it. Who would be proud to "take all the shots you want and not have to listen to his whining weak assed babble replies"? Everybody makes mistakes and as far as I have read on this board the times when Deno made them he has publicly apologized. I never seen you apologize for anything or any of the personal attacks you make which says that you are the guy who thinks he can do no wrong, not Deno. He quit playing the personal attack game by filtering you out but you still play. So who's really the whining weak assed babbler? I think it's you man.
John Monroe Twin Cities
Lou F. wrote:> Otto, dino is one self centered little no heart rug merchant of a nit.>
It's great being plonked by him -- you can take all the shots you want> and> not have to listen to his whining weak assed babble replies >
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 05:43:37 GMT, "Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I'm sad that we live in a world where a women who supposedly has permanent>brain damage can't even get an MRI.>Deno
I'm sad that people take up a cause about something they no nothing or very little about.
"Patrick Johnson" <patrick.johnson@comcast.net> wrote in message>news:FeGdnfG0DtFJzN_fRVn-gw@comcast.com...>> and that I'll have to hear all the maudlin sentiment about it now that>you've brought it up here.>
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 15:07:38 GMT, "Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
But how do we know that was her wish?>The husband contends she told him once. The parents contend she would never>have a feeding tube removed...who to believe???
That's why it was in the courts for 8 years. I'll bet the judge knows FAR more about the case and actually knows facts.
They continually ruled in her husband favor why can't you accept that?
On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:36:37 GMT, Jim Wyant <j.wyant@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
So what happens if she changed her mind, either way, immediately before>slipping into the state she's in. Who would know. My father always said he>would never go through chemo, radiation, etc, if he got cancer. When he got>cancer, he did it all. When I asked him what changed his mind his answer>was "when it is you, and the time comes, your thought process is completely>changed". >
--Jim
One problem: Terri doesn't have a thought process anymore.>
On 3/24/05 10:07 AM, in article>_IA0e.3091$yq2.2695@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com, "Deno J. Andrews"><denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote:>
I'm not emotionally attached to her. I'm sad over the situation. And there>> is nothing personal or confidential about it, this affects everyone in one>> way or another. There are many issues here, one of which will probably>> affect each of us at one point or another and that is access to proper>> medical care. Another issue is who gets to decide your life or death if you>> haven't expressed your wishes in writing. I am a huge advocate of the right>> to die for those who really want it. But how do we know that was her wish?>> The husband contends she told him once. The parents contend she would never>> have a feeding tube removed...who to believe??? I don't think I believe>> either party. Then there is the aspect of government intervention on both>> sides- state sponsored taking of a life or state sponsored keeping one alive>> against the will. Either way it isn't good. I don't think anything of what>> I have written is pro keeping her alive or showing any sort of personal>> attachment to her. The situation is unfortuate and it is only getting>> worse.>> Deno>>
"Jim Wyant" <j.wyant@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message>> news:BE67BF50.38F64%j.wyant@sbcglobal.net...>>> I'm sad that a media circus erupts over a personal, confidential, medical>>> issue and that people like you have to become emotionally attached to>>> someone you've never met thousands of miles away.>>
I lurked here for a long time now. Ever since you been here Otto what significant posts have you made to this board? What knowledge of the game or industry have you brought to this place? I think it is lame to attack someone for giving a detailed response to someones question. Goin broke in ten minutes isn't any kind of response to a serious question. So let me ask you this, how can you support that Deno needs attention and validation when you been in more threads in more boards? I don't see him agreeing with people all the time who have the popular answers. And I don't think its lame to say detailed responses to questions, that's what people are looking for man. Some a his detailed messages have helped my game more than anything you write. I see a guy like Deno not caring about being accepted by anyone. I see a guy like you and Lou who can't get a grip that someone wrote you off as not worth dealin with. Grow up man.
John Monroe Twic Cities
otto wrote:
thanks Lou, I was going to ask you if you wanted to form a club> od Deno plonkees>
in a way, its a shame, he does know a lot about many aspects of the> game/history/equipment, though it mostly 3C related> but he has such a childish need for attention> and validation that he just has to let everyone know he is the MOST> informed> person ever>
did you see the thread about opening a private snooker and billiard club?>
one reply was somethin like (not an exact quote):> "sounds like a good way to go broke fast" - 10 words more or less>
after that reply was already posted, Deno came back with what seemed like> at least a 1000 word lecture, including examples, to say the same thing> only slower>
Otto<in good company, and prolly on the bubble with some other plonk-ors>
John, as we use to say back at the Pentagon, "Thank you for your interest in national defense."
How about if I just plonk you, confident in the knowledge that since you're a better man than I, you won't be responding... since I can't see it?
Lou Figueroa didn't know he was here in the first place so I certainly won't be missing him
"John Monroe" <monroej@jmplgnospam.com> wrote in message news:42482bed$1_2@127.0.0.1...> Lou,>
I'm a long time lurker and have thoroghly enjoyed reading a lot of your> posts regarding the game. I've also enjoyed reading posts by Deno. Face> it, you are both accomplished players but in different ways and different> games. I gotta say though that this kind of message that you wrote below
really lame. It takes a real jerk of a guy to write this sort of stuff> knowing full well that he ain't going to see it. Who would be proud to> "take all the shots you want and not have to listen to his whining weak> assed babble replies"? Everybody makes mistakes and as far as I have read> on this board the times when Deno made them he has publicly apologized. I> never seen you apologize for anything or any of the personal attacks you> make which says that you are the guy who thinks he can do no wrong, not> Deno. He quit playing the personal attack game by filtering you out but
still play. So who's really the whining weak assed babbler? I think it's> you man.>
John Monroe> Twin Cities>
Lou F. wrote:> > Otto, dino is one self centered little no heart rug merchant of a nit.> >
It's great being plonked by him -- you can take all the shots you want> > and> > not have to listen to his whining weak assed babble replies > >
Pat, surprisingly enough (to you, I'm sure), this republican is not at all happy with how this case has been politicized.
Put your wishes in writing, people.
Mark0
=== "Patrick Johnson" <patrick.johnson@comcast.net> wrote in message news:FeGdnfG0DtFJzN_fRVn-gw@comcast.com...> Deno:>
[Who else is sad about] the Terri Schiavo case?>
I'm sad that we live in a society where the Republicans can successfully> use it to pander to their religious meddler vote base - and that I'll> have to hear all the maudlin sentiment about it now that you've brought> it up here.>
Well Deno, the fact remains that ASP *is* for off topic stuff like this. And yes, I responded twice to it. But it's still your fault that it's being discussed here, now. Maybe on the second post it should have been moved to ASP so that we who did respond would have done so there (having been alerted to it here).
Mark0
=== "Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:dXL0e.3341$yq2.2189@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... snipped diatribe
Otto is hardly a newbie though he had been absent too long).
Mark0 <--more and more sure Deno doesn't know what the hell he's talking about
=== "Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:eeW0e.1482$oy3.1079@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...> "Michael Page" <mike.page@ndsu.nodak.edu> wrote in message> news:250320050619041308%mike.page@ndsu.nodak.edu...> > Just for the record Deno, I didn't criticize you for posting off topic.
criticized you for your weak justification when you were called on it.>
I don't care Mike. You can criticize me all you want and I respect your> position. I just have a serious dislike for newbies who think it is their> job to determine what is now kosher for this place.> Deno>
Deno J. Andrews 29 March 2005 09:29:10 [ permanent link ]
"Mark0" <mark0@mccauleywebDELETETHIS.com> wrote in message news:QS22e.4947$it1.3868@fe02.lga...> Well Deno, the fact remains that ASP *is* for off topic stuff like this.
I'm sorry that I do not follow the same deontological route as you. I do not even subscribe to ASP. As I said, I was interested in what people here had to say about the case. Anyone who believes this is not the venue for the subject can simply ignore the post...something you failed to do.
And yes, I responded twice to it. But it it's still your fault that it's
being discussed here, now.
Nobody forced you to respond, but you did. You contributed. You are as guilty for participating in off topic discussion as I was for bringing it up. Yes, so what, I brought it up. If you were really against off topic stuff you should have ignored the post. But to respond with your opinion and then blame someone else for bringing it up...
Maybe on the second post it should have been moved to ASP...
Maybe those who really deeply care have become too emotionally attached to this cyber place.
Me thinks you are too much of a old queen to have the nuts to plonk anyone. God forbid you miss something. I mean, you are on the all time highest poster top five list, and that aint anything to be proud of. But then again, this place is your whole life. John Monroe Twin Cities
John, as we use to say back at the Pentagon, "Thank you for your interest> in> national defense.">
How about if I just plonk you, confident in the knowledge that since> you're> a better man than I, you won't be responding... since I can't see it?>
Lou Figueroa> didn't know he was here in the first place> so I certainly won't be missing him
On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 05:29:10 GMT, "Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"Mark0" <mark0@mccauleywebDELETETHIS.com> wrote in message>news:QS22e.4947$it1.3868@fe02.lga...>> Well Deno, the fact remains that ASP *is* for off topic stuff like this.>
I'm sorry that I do not follow the same deontological route as you. I do>not even subscribe to ASP. As I said, I was interested in what people here>had to say about the case. Anyone who believes this is not the venue for>the subject can simply ignore the post...something you failed to do.>
And yes, I responded twice to it. But it it's still your fault that it's>being discussed here, now.>
Nobody forced you to respond, but you did. You contributed. You are as>guilty for participating in off topic discussion as I was for bringing it>up. Yes, so what, I brought it up. If you were really against off topic>stuff you should have ignored the post. But to respond with your opinion>and then blame someone else for bringing it up...
The Subject of off-topic posts should be clearly marked with "OT", then they could be easily skipped. Or maybe in this group it would be easier to label ON TOPIC posts with "OT".
Deno, I am surprised -- at myself for thinking you could be objective. Nevermind.
Mark0 <--what a dolt
=== "Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:GI52e.4391$yq2.46@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...> "Mark0" <mark0@mccauleywebDELETETHIS.com> wrote in message> news:QS22e.4947$it1.3868@fe02.lga...> > Well Deno, the fact remains that ASP *is* for off topic stuff like this.>
I'm sorry that I do not follow the same deontological route as you. I do> not even subscribe to ASP. As I said, I was interested in what people
here> had to say about the case. Anyone who believes this is not the venue for> the subject can simply ignore the post...something you failed to do.>
And yes, I responded twice to it. But it it's still your fault that
it's> being discussed here, now.>
Nobody forced you to respond, but you did. You contributed. You are as> guilty for participating in off topic discussion as I was for bringing it> up. Yes, so what, I brought it up. If you were really against off topic> stuff you should have ignored the post. But to respond with your opinion> and then blame someone else for bringing it up...>
Maybe on the second post it should have been moved to ASP...>
Maybe those who really deeply care have become too emotionally attached to> this cyber place.>
Deno J. Andrews 30 March 2005 05:55:08 [ permanent link ]
"Mark0" <mark0@mccauleywebDELETETHIS.com> wrote in message news:srn2e.6277$JL2.1005@fe02.lga...> Deno, I am surprised -- at myself for thinking you could be objective.> Nevermind.
Are you kidding? Virtually everyone here has an opinion, agenda, objective, etc. and hardly ever look at anything objectively. When was the last time you read one of the regulars changing their mind about something after discussion here? It hardly ever happens. It shouldn't surprise you that I am not objective. Nor should it surprise you that aren't as well. Nor is anyone really. What is the issue here, that I brought up something off topic? Yes. Ok. Do some, few, many, care? Yes. Do I care? No, not really. Sorry.
Deno not objective- wouldn't want to be that boring
