Had this shot last night at Chris's Billiards in Chicago. You are the yellow ball. Here are some clues- the balls were dirty and the cloth about 4 months worn and also dirty. Any shot from here is somewhat low percentage. However, there is one that gives a nice position opportunity. First person to get it right, with the position, gets a little something fun in the mail.
Deno J. Andrews wrote:> However, there is one that gives a nice position opportunity.> First person to get it right, with the position, gets a little something fun> in the mail.
Does it involve a masse' or draw off the red with a double-the-rail into the white? Then the red is single or double banked into one of the corners, leaving a natural or a 5-railer.
Deno J. Andrews 14 March 2005 04:35:20 [ permanent link ]
No, I didn't really have that available because of the poor conditions. Deno
<stevehegg@3cushion.com> wrote in message news:1110759952.583849.258500@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...>
Deno J. Andrews wrote:> > However, there is one that gives a nice position opportunity.> > First person to get it right, with the position, gets a little> something fun> > in the mail.>
Does it involve a masse' or draw off the red with a double-the-rail> into the white? Then the red is single or double banked into one of the> corners, leaving a natural or a 5-railer.>
5 rails drive the red into corner A for a baby billiard on the next shot, this is the way sang lee or FL would play it. Deno, I carry my own set of perfect pro cup balls and only play on new 300 and verhovens. Make me play on dirty cloth and with dirty balls, why, go shoot 8 ball on a bar box. Its like fornicating with a rubber, why even do it?
www.poolchat.net gave away a $175 cue last monday for a question just like that, what are you giving away, the bird in the email? Tomorrow morning they are giving away a $200 glass chess board with pueter pieces, total first class high end board that would be the center piece of any game room. One of the questions last week was about a 3-c player. Some guy named Willie.
=== "Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:7j4Zd.10546$yp.1639@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...> Had this shot last night at Chris's Billiards in Chicago. You are the> yellow ball. Here are some clues- the balls were dirty and the cloth about> 4 months worn and also dirty. Any shot from here is somewhat low> percentage. However, there is one that gives a nice position opportunity.> First person to get it right, with the position, gets a little something
Patrick Johnson 14 March 2005 06:19:38 [ permanent link ]
Deno J. Andrews wrote:> Had this shot last night at Chris's Billiards in Chicago. You are the> yellow ball. Here are some clues- the balls were dirty and the cloth about> 4 months worn and also dirty. Any shot from here is somewhat low> percentage. However, there is one that gives a nice position opportunity.> First person to get it right, with the position, gets a little something fun> in the mail.>
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:48:19 GMT, "Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
You are the>yellow ball. Here are some clues- the balls were dirty and the cloth about>4 months worn and also dirty. Any shot from here is somewhat low>percentage. However, there is one that gives a nice position opportunity.>First person to get it right, with the position, gets a little something fun>in the mail.>
LOL I though you all were smoking something. I was pasting your code into my WEI Pool Table. I did not know there was a WEI 3C Table. Paste these codes in the pool table for a laugh.
Deno J. Andrews 14 March 2005 07:09:05 [ permanent link ]
Well Fast, you are close...except that you didn't paste the shot I gave you and instead shot the break shot. However, you shot it off the wrong ball! Try again. Deno
5 rails drive the red into corner A for a baby billiard on the next> shot, this is the way sang lee or FL would play it. Deno, I carry my> own set of perfect pro cup balls and only play on new 300 and> verhovens. Make me play on dirty cloth and with dirty balls, why, go> shoot 8 ball on a bar box. Its like fornicating with a rubber, why even> do it?>
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:48:19 GMT, "Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
You are the>yellow ball. Here are some clues- the balls were dirty and the cloth about>4 months worn and also dirty. Any shot from here is somewhat low>percentage.
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:48:19 GMT, "Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Had this shot last night at Chris's Billiards in Chicago. You are the>yellow ball. Here are some clues- the balls were dirty and the cloth about>4 months worn and also dirty. Any shot from here is somewhat low>percentage. However, there is one that gives a nice position opportunity.>First person to get it right, with the position, gets a little something fun>in the mail.>
I don't know WEI, but how about: about an 1/8th of the white (maybe a little less) on the right with low left and level cue. Slightly more than lag speed.
White goes across table rather slowly but ends up near the same rail it is near now, maybe around the second diamond at the other end of the table. Cue ball snaps out of the corner, comes in short on the red and moves the red a little closer to the corner.
Mark B. VanLiere 14 March 2005 08:53:22 [ permanent link ]
"Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:7j4Zd.10546$yp.1639@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com:
Had this shot last night at Chris's Billiards in Chicago. You are the> yellow ball. Here are some clues- the balls were dirty and the cloth> about 4 months worn and also dirty. Any shot from here is somewhat> low percentage. However, there is one that gives a nice position> opportunity. First person to get it right, with the position, gets a> little something fun in the mail.>
Shoot away from the white into the corner two cushions first, a bit less then half ball on the white, back to the long rail, and into the red. Shot softly, the white stays in the short table and you should have a short angle off the red.
If the yellow is too close to the end rail to avoid a foul, my second choice is a plus two toward the opposite corner off right side of the red (as one looks at the wei table) then the long rail and into the white. Shot softly, this will leave a natural off the red with the white big in the corner.
Neither of these is particularly low percentage and neither is very sensitive to the conditions.
Mark
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Deno J. Andrews 14 March 2005 09:38:10 [ permanent link ]
Shooting it like that leaves a big potential kiss. Keep thinking about it. Deno
"RR" <rr@not.net> wrote in message news62a31dup3guqc7vj8qc0nq4mmub4jruji@4ax.com...> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:48:19 GMT, "Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote:>
Had this shot last night at Chris's Billiards in Chicago. You are the> >yellow ball. Here are some clues- the balls were dirty and the cloth
about> >4 months worn and also dirty. Any shot from here is somewhat low> >percentage. However, there is one that gives a nice position opportunity.> >First person to get it right, with the position, gets a little something
I don't know WEI, but how about: about an 1/8th of the white (maybe> a little less) on the right with low left and level cue. Slightly> more than lag speed.>
White goes across table rather slowly but ends up near the same rail> it is near now, maybe around the second diamond at the other end of> the table. Cue ball snaps out of the corner, comes in short on the> red and moves the red a little closer to the corner.>
This is similar to what someone else posted, but with the other cue ball. Anyway, here is what a 9-ball player would try. If you don't hit it 3-cushions, you have a second chance with 4. However, I have no idea at all what you mean by "position"; what's that?
Deno J. Andrews wrote:> No, I didn't really have that available because of the poor conditions.> Deno
Ok, given all the new information about the shot and the closeness of the white to the rail, I would suspect that you played a follow ticky off the white. IOW, L-white-L-S-L-S, sort of like how you might play a standard 5-railer, although with the crummy conditions you would have to really slug it.
"Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:7j4Zd.10546$yp.1639@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...> Had this shot last night at Chris's Billiards in Chicago. You are the> yellow ball. Here are some clues- the balls were dirty and the cloth about> 4 months worn and also dirty. Any shot from here is somewhat low> percentage. However, there is one that gives a nice position opportunity.> First person to get it right, with the position, gets a little something
I think you would find that your solution has probably at least 2 and possibly 3 kisses in it, because the yellow and white cross paths at very nearly the same time. Given the short, dirty conditions, my guess would be there would be a crash somewhere near mid-table, about 1/2 sec after the first impact with the white. The white will be driven to the long rail, rebounding at just about the same time and location as the yellow heads down-table.
In the second solution I proposed, playing a follow ticky, the white and yellow get on different paths to hopefully take the kisses out of the solution. But even that one is a pretty dodgy, low percentage solution.
Deno J. Andrews 14 March 2005 19:14:27 [ permanent link ]
The white ball would travel much farther, and there are bok potential kisses. But it is a cool shot that is played with regularity with a different position. Deno
"John W. Pierce" <jwpretd@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:4QaZd.11170$bh2.6197@fe2.texas.rr.com...> How about>
Deno J. Andrews 14 March 2005 19:16:08 [ permanent link ]
Creative, but not the shot. Too many kisses. Deno
"lightbulb" <lightbulb@chartermi.net> wrote in message news:QFdZd.8012$qk6.3132@fe03.lga...>
"Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message> news:7j4Zd.10546$yp.1639@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...> > Had this shot last night at Chris's Billiards in Chicago. You are the> > yellow ball. Here are some clues- the balls were dirty and the cloth> about> > 4 months worn and also dirty. Any shot from here is somewhat low> > percentage. However, there is one that gives a nice position
opportunity.> > First person to get it right, with the position, gets a little something> fun> > in the mail.> >
This would have been a close second if the red weren't frozen. It is a small part of the red that would make it score and because it's fozen the potential for a double kiss is high.
Deno J. Andrews 14 March 2005 19:22:52 [ permanent link ]
That's what I would have shot if the cloth and balls were decent. However, without the slide, I can't trust that enough reverse will stay on to make the angle longer off the 4th cushion to make the shot a bigger target. Deno
<stevehegg@3cushion.com> wrote in message news:1110812766.271396.126600@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...> Last chance, then I give up ...>
Deno J. Andrews 14 March 2005 19:23:58 [ permanent link ]
Mark V.L. already suggested this shot. I couldn't cue it up well enough so I passed. Deno
"Samiel" <samiel@samiel.com> wrote in message news:n3ab315qp3go9le43f11nti85p6omqhq3d@4ax.com...> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:48:19 GMT, "Deno J. Andrews"> <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote:>
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Never having played 3C, here's my (probable incorrect) guess.>
Okay, one more, although it seems like the red is coming in for a kiss, and it would be hard to stretch the yellow that long. On the other hand, if the kiss is avoided, the red goes to the corner nicely, leaving a potential 4 or 5 railer for the yield.
This would have been a close second if the red weren't frozen. It is a> small part of the red that would make it score and because it's fozen the> potential for a double kiss is high.>
This would have been a close second if the red weren't frozen. It is a>> small part of the red that would make it score and because it's fozen the>> potential for a double kiss is high.>>
Deno J. Andrews 14 March 2005 20:08:25 [ permanent link ]
That way is nearly impossible. The target area on the last rail is only a few mms and there won't be much rotation on the cue ball to make the target ball bigger. Deno
"Patrick Johnson" <patrick.johnsonREMOVE@THIScomcast.net> wrote in message news:qliZd.4895$ZB6.1056@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...> In all the excitement I forgot to show the shot I might actually try:>
Deno J. Andrews 14 March 2005 20:12:18 [ permanent link ]
Pat gets the consolation prize for picking the double the rail shot I almost shot. That was also a good choice. Given the condition of the table, I chose to go with something else, but had it not been laying perfectly for the shot I took, I would have shot the shot this way. Deno
"Patrick Johnson" <patrick.johnsonREMOVE@THIScomcast.net> wrote in message news:MtiZd.4900$ZB6.4596@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...> Or maybe like this:>
Patrick Johnson 14 March 2005 20:27:15 [ permanent link ]
Yeah, that's what made me change it. (Hope I would have thought of the change BEFORE shooting it...)
pj chgo
Deno J. Andrews wrote:
That way is nearly impossible. The target area on the last rail is only a> few mms and there won't be much rotation on the cue ball to make the target> ball bigger.> Deno>
"Patrick Johnson" <patrick.johnsonREMOVE@THIScomcast.net> wrote in message> news:qliZd.4895$ZB6.1056@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...>
In all the excitement I forgot to show the shot I might actually try:>>
Patrick Johnson 14 March 2005 20:29:50 [ permanent link ]
Deno, why did you go rail first on your shot?
Pat Johnson Chicago
Deno J. Andrews wrote:
Pat gets the consolation prize for picking the double the rail shot I almost> shot. That was also a good choice. Given the condition of the table, I> chose to go with something else, but had it not been laying perfectly for> the shot I took, I would have shot the shot this way.> Deno>
"Patrick Johnson" <patrick.johnsonREMOVE@THIScomcast.net> wrote in message> news:MtiZd.4900$ZB6.4596@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...>
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:38:10 GMT, "Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Shooting it like that leaves a big potential kiss. Keep thinking about it.>Deno
Deno,
"A potential kiss does not an actual kiss make."
Oops. I said level cue. That obviously won't work since my shot uses draw and you are so close to the end rail. So jack up to 20 degrees and shoot the same shot. There is no kiss.
May not be the shot you shot, but it leaves great shape.
If you have Carambole Simulator I can send you the shot.
RR
"RR" <rr@not.net> wrote in message>news62a31dup3guqc7vj8qc0nq4mmub4jruji@4ax.com...>> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:48:19 GMT, "Deno J. Andrews"><denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote:>>
Had this shot last night at Chris's Billiards in Chicago. You are the>> >yellow ball. Here are some clues- the balls were dirty and the cloth>about>> >4 months worn and also dirty. Any shot from here is somewhat low>> >percentage. However, there is one that gives a nice position>opportunity.>> >First person to get it right, with the position, gets a little something>fun>> >in the mail.>> >
I don't know WEI, but how about: about an 1/8th of the white (maybe>> a little less) on the right with low left and level cue. Slightly>> more than lag speed.>>
White goes across table rather slowly but ends up near the same rail>> it is near now, maybe around the second diamond at the other end of>> the table. Cue ball snaps out of the corner, comes in short on the>> red and moves the red a little closer to the corner.>>
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 08:41:38 -0800, RR <rr@not.net> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:38:10 GMT, "Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote:>
Shooting it like that leaves a big potential kiss. Keep thinking about it.>>Deno>
Deno,>
"A potential kiss does not an actual kiss make." >
Oops. I said level cue. That obviously won't work since my shot>uses draw and you are so close to the end rail. So jack up to 20>degrees and shoot the same shot. There is no kiss. >
May not be the shot you shot, but it leaves great shape. >
If you have Carambole Simulator I can send you the shot. >
RR
Deno,
OK, I think I got it. You shot a time shot. Hit the white on the left with right english. This pushes the red down the rail. The cue ball goes between the 3rd and 4th diamonds on the opposite long rail, then to the end rail near the corner, just catching the red after the third rail.
I'll send you my address!
RR
"RR" <rr@not.net> wrote in message>>news62a31dup3guqc7vj8qc0nq4mmub4jruji@4ax.com...>>> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 23:48:19 GMT, "Deno J. Andrews">><denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote:>>>
Had this shot last night at Chris's Billiards in Chicago. You are the>>> >yellow ball. Here are some clues- the balls were dirty and the cloth>>about>>> >4 months worn and also dirty. Any shot from here is somewhat low>>> >percentage. However, there is one that gives a nice position>>opportunity.>>> >First person to get it right, with the position, gets a little something>>fun>>> >in the mail.>>> >
I don't know WEI, but how about: about an 1/8th of the white (maybe>>> a little less) on the right with low left and level cue. Slightly>>> more than lag speed.>>>
White goes across table rather slowly but ends up near the same rail>>> it is near now, maybe around the second diamond at the other end of>>> the table. Cue ball snaps out of the corner, comes in short on the>>> red and moves the red a little closer to the corner.>>>
"Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> a écrit dans le message de news: 7j4Zd.10546$yp.1639@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...> Had this shot last night at Chris's Billiards in Chicago. You are the> yellow ball. Here are some clues- the balls were dirty and the cloth about> 4 months worn and also dirty. Any shot from here is somewhat low> percentage. However, there is one that gives a nice position opportunity.> First person to get it right, with the position, gets a little something
Deno J. Andrews 15 March 2005 02:46:33 [ permanent link ]
Two reasons- it took the kiss completely out of the shot, and it changed the speed/spin ratio so the ball was moving forward more slowly with the same english, which made a bigger target out of the red. Position could have been made by going off the ball directly, but I didn't like the potential kiss. Jaspers once told me that given two shots that will both work out well, shoot the one that eliminates any hint of a kiss. It makes sense. Deno
"Patrick Johnson" <patrick.johnsonREMOVE@THIScomcast.net> wrote in message news:2_iZd.4983$ZB6.422@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...> Deno, why did you go rail first on your shot?>
Pat Johnson> Chicago>
Deno J. Andrews wrote:>
Pat gets the consolation prize for picking the double the rail shot I
almost> > shot. That was also a good choice. Given the condition of the table, I> > chose to go with something else, but had it not been laying perfectly
the shot I took, I would have shot the shot this way.> > Deno> >
"Patrick Johnson" <patrick.johnsonREMOVE@THIScomcast.net> wrote in
"Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> a écrit dans le message de> news: 7j4Zd.10546$yp.1639@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...> > Had this shot last night at Chris's Billiards in Chicago. You are the> > yellow ball. Here are some clues- the balls were dirty and the cloth> about> > 4 months worn and also dirty. Any shot from here is somewhat low> > percentage. However, there is one that gives a nice position
opportunity.> > First person to get it right, with the position, gets a little something> fun> > in the mail.> >
1) Well, the first thing that comes to mind after all this, is white first, inside draw and double the long rail. Whitey should come right back to this corner. But you seem to have said that the yellow was too close to the short rail for something like this.
2) cross table parallel to the short rail, inside english, long, short, white long red. Or, same shot, doubling the short rail. These two seem too low of a percentage.
3) Opposite long rail between 3rd and 4th diamond, left english (no follow , come out about 1-1/2 diamonds out of the corner at the other end of the long rail that the balls are against, down to the long rail, back to red then white.
The possibilities are endless. I'm sure that the dirty balls is a huge clue for a knowledgeable player, but I'm lost.
Roger
"Deno J. Andrews" <denoandrews@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:7j4Zd.10546$yp.1639@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...> Had this shot last night at Chris's Billiards in Chicago. You are the> yellow ball. Here are some clues- the balls were dirty and the cloth > about> 4 months worn and also dirty. Any shot from here is somewhat low> percentage. However, there is one that gives a nice position opportunity.> First person to get it right, with the position, gets a little something > fun> in the mail.>
