I think this is pretty close to what I was trying yesterday. The problem for me is that that cut on the 8 is fairly thin and I could not figure out how to get to the other side of the table. I drew lines in this picture of what I thought I should be able to do but I could not get past the side pocket. Should I be able to? Is it just a matter of not using enough right? Is this even the way to shoot this shot?
Second question: if you have ball in hand, where would you place the cueball to give the best route to the 9? Thanks.
I would play it the way you have it drawn. If I had ball in hand I would place the cue ball like this. hit it with high left, going two rails. I know if I don't get the cue ball exactly where I intended I'll still have a very makable shot. I don't like to use draw unless it's unavoidable, I rarely (maybe never) give my self a draw shot with ball in hand.
"lfigueroa" <lfigueroa@att.net> wrote in message news:IJ_Lg.5973$QM6.2081@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...> This is a just below center hit on the cue ball with a touch of right > english at slightly less than medium speed.>
It's the just below center part that's important -- it puts just a hair > of draw on the cue ball to create the up table angle you want to get it > scooting in the right direction.>
Lou Figueroa>
Lou, What about the second part of John's question...BIH? Bill O would go 2 rails for the nine, and Jal would draw it almost straight back for the nine. I agree with Jal as for me it would be the easiest position play. I think going to the rails especially when there isn't a need to is asking for trouble. What you tink?
I would play it the way you have it drawn. If I had ball in hand I would > place the cue ball like this. hit it with high left, going two rails. I > know if I don't get the cue ball exactly where I intended I'll still have a > very makable shot. I don't like to use draw unless it's unavoidable, I > rarely (maybe never) give my self a draw shot with ball in hand.>
This is also how I would do it and for the same reason. I can't see you wei diagram but from your description of high left it is the line with the greatest amount of leeway for error that I can see.
With the position shown, however, I would play it safe and come up short of the side pocket. I have scratched way too many times on that type of shot to risk trying to get perfect on the 9. Just try to get a makable shot is good enough for me.
Ed
PS: Thanks for the thread John. These type of threads are good.
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"lfigueroa" <lfigueroa@att.net> wrote in message news:A71Mg.74711$5i3.49433@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...> SS, if I have BIH, I'm giving myself a much less steep angle and drawing > the cue ball to the rail just below the side pocket -- IOW one rail > shape so the cue ball is coming off the rail towards the nine and staying > in a good positional zone for a long time. That means that if I'm a > little short or long, I'm still good.>
Lou Figueroa> what AM I doing> in a 9ball thread!?>
Thanks, I thought that's what you would recommend. Drawing off the rail makes a lot of sense...for all your reasons.
In article <1157667805.086419.230690@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, test@cuetable.com says...> or> http://shorterlink.com/?Z1AUSK>
Can people read both links above okay?>
Thanks> Wei
Wei,
The larger links usually get broken up along the way. This could happen many places -- the sender's software, the sender's ISP, the reader's ISP or the reader's software. In Usenet, you cannot generally count on lines greater than about 75 characters from getting through without being wrapped to the next line at some point.
As you point out elsewhere, you can copy/paste the fragments into the browser and that usually works. Or people can run the link through a "short link" service.
Great job on the new table by the way! These WEI tables have been invaluable for people discussing pool on the internet for a long time.
In article <1157650899.418517.39140@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, test@cuetable.com says...> The yellow zone is the acceptable area, and the red zone would the> ideal area. As players players advance in skill, their yellow zone will> increase and they will aim for smaller red zone, especially in games> such as straight pool and one pocket>
Page 1, if you feel comfortable hitting the ball softly with a lot of> bottom left english, this will be nice.
Isn't this the dreaded "crossing the line of the shot" that people want to avoid? The margin of error is so small that a few inches too far or not far enough and you have no shot.
Also, I was not able to get that kind of angle toward the 9. It is possible the shot I was trying was thinner than what I diagramed. I did know to use bottom right, even though I said just right in the original post.
Page 2, a safer way, no english, just adjust your speed accordingly.
Ok, this has a larger margin of error, but results in a longer shot on the 9.
Page 3, If I have ball in hand, I will place the ball around here so I> can reach. (short guy). Notice the CB path is going along the red zone.> In Page 1, it is really going across the red zone.
I like this. The cueball is rolling substantially into the line of the shot and it results in a short shot.
In article <1157651657.958155.106780@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>, jal@golden-tech.com says...> Did you try low-right and hit fairly softly?
Well sort of. The tables are pretty slow cloth so shooting softly wasn't getting me far enough.
For me the safest and easiest route is to go about a diamond below the> side pocket and just come across the center area of the table after the> second rail.
This is like Wei's 2nd solution but goes to the other side of the 9 to create a bit closer shot.
This seems more sensible than trying to go on the other side of the side pocket.
Second question: if you have ball in hand, where would you place the> > cueball to give the best route to the 9?>
I'd place it directly behind the eight for a nearly straigh-in shot,> with a slight cut to the left, and draw the cueball back.
Ok, kind of like Wei's solution, although he used a little more angle and went one rail to improve the angle to the 9 (less crossing of the shot line). Thanks for the response.
In article <Xns983794822F778lionelbillexcitecom@69.28.186.158>, lionelbill@excite.com says...> If I had ball in hand I would > place the cue ball like this. hit it with high left, going two rails. I > know if I don't get the cue ball exactly where I intended I'll still have a > very makable shot. I don't like to use draw unless it's unavoidable, I > rarely (maybe never) give my self a draw shot with ball in hand.
I think this solution is being favored by people who prefer to follow and people who prefer to draw favor drawing either 0 or 1 rails back to the 9. The thing I like about the draw 1 rail shot is that it seems to roll into the line of the shot more than some of these other solutions that roll across the line. I think the 9 being right in the middle makes it tougher in some ways than if it was over more to one side.
I will experiment with the draw shot and the 2 rail follow today and see which I more consistently get a good leave on the 9. Thanks!
In article <ede6t3xgda.ln2@recgroups.com>, mccune@telusplanet.net says...> With the position shown, however, I would play it safe and come up short> of the side pocket. I have scratched way too many times on that type of> shot to risk trying to get perfect on the 9. Just try to get a makable> shot is good enough for me.
Makes sense. But there are two options for going underneath the side pocket. Would you play it softer and play for a shot in the upper right corner, or harder and try to come across for a shorter shot into the lower right corner? The second option may risk scratching in the opposite side if you come too far but that shouldn't be too much of a risk?
I think this is pretty close to what I was trying yesterday. The> > problem for me is that that cut on the 8 is fairly thin and I could not> > figure out how to get to the other side of the table. I drew lines in> > this picture of what I thought I should be able to do but I could not> > get past the side pocket. Should I be able to? Is it just a matter of> > not using enough right? Is this even the way to shoot this shot?> >
Second question: if you have ball in hand, where would you place the> > cueball to give the best route to the 9? Thanks.> >
John Black>
I'm no expert either, but I would have done it the way you have it> layed out. You have to use bottom right. The bottom pulls the ball back> from the tangent line (increasing angle INTO the rail) and the right> will have the cue ball come off the rail at an increased angle and to> propel the cueball to the other side while missing the side pocket.> This shot comes up pretty regularly, practice it and it will become> easy. If I had to say how to hit it, I'd say just enough to draw the> ball off the tangent line. Be aware that with a soft hit using bottom> right, your cueball will sorta masse a little, so , allow for that if> you want to make the 8.
Yes, I actually was using bottom right. The shot may have been slightly thinner than I diagrammed? Also, the problem could have been that I was hitting too hard to compensate for slow cloth and the bottom didn't take hold. ?
In article <IJ_Lg.5973$QM6.2081@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, lfigueroa@att.net says...> This is a just below center hit on the cue ball with a touch of right > english at slightly less than medium speed.>
It's the just below center part that's important -- it puts just a > hair of draw on the cue ball to create the up table angle you want to > get it scooting in the right direction.
Thanks Lou, I wasn't able to do it but I'll keep practicing. As I mentioned in other replies, the shot might have been a little thinner than this or I may have been hitting too hard? I'll keep experimenting.
In article <A71Mg.74711$5i3.49433@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, lfigueroa@att.net says...> SS, if I have BIH, I'm giving myself a much less steep angle and drawing > the cue ball to the rail just below the side pocket -- IOW one rail > shape so the cue ball is coming off the rail towards the nine and > staying in a good positional zone for a long time. That means that if > I'm a little short or long, I'm still good.
The lower right hand pocket, as viewed on the Wei. If I could figure out how to show it on the frippin' table, I'd draw you a picture, but I have no clue.
Lou Figueroa thinks the new table is way over engineered
John Black wrote:> In article <A71Mg.74711$5i3.49433@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, > lfigueroa@att.net says...>> SS, if I have BIH, I'm giving myself a much less steep angle and drawing >> the cue ball to the rail just below the side pocket -- IOW one rail >> shape so the cue ball is coming off the rail towards the nine and >> staying in a good positional zone for a long time. That means that if >> I'm a little short or long, I'm still good.>
I put the wrong link in the previous post due to a (possible bug) in the site. I'll start another thread for that so Wei sees it.
If I could figure out > how to show it on the frippin' table, I'd draw you a picture, but I have > no clue.
Actually, its easier than the original table -- you don't have to create separate lines for each change of direction. Just click each time you want the line to change direction.
Drag the balls to where you want them with the mouse. Then to draw lines, double click on the cueball. Moving the mouse creates the line. Each click continues the line from the point you click. Double click to stop drawing. A nice thing is that while you are drawing lines, you are dragging a ghostlike cueball so you can easily position where the line changes directions off of balls and rails. Hit the button called export to copy the link that can be pasted in an RSB post.
Click the button that says tools to see all of the new things you can do with this table.
John Black
Lou Figueroa> thinks the new table> is way over engineered
John Black wrote:> In article <ivzMg.13765$QM6.6481@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, > lfigueroa@att.net says...>> The lower right hand pocket, as viewed on the Wei.>
Ok, that's what I thought. I think it is like this:>
I put the wrong link in the previous post due to a (possible bug) in the > site. I'll start another thread for that so Wei sees it.>
If I could figure out >> how to show it on the frippin' table, I'd draw you a picture, but I have >> no clue. >
Actually, its easier than the original table -- you don't have to create > separate lines for each change of direction. Just click each time you > want the line to change direction.>
Drag the balls to where you want them with the mouse. Then to draw > lines, double click on the cueball. Moving the mouse creates the line. > Each click continues the line from the point you click. Double click to > stop drawing. A nice thing is that while you are drawing lines, you are > dragging a ghostlike cueball so you can easily position where the line > changes directions off of balls and rails. Hit the button called export > to copy the link that can be pasted in an RSB post.>
Click the button that says tools to see all of the new things you can do > with this table.>
John Black>
Lou Figueroa>> thinks the new table>> is way over engineered
"lfigueroa" <lfigueroa@att.net> wrote in message news:MsIMg.15664$QM6.13997@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...> uh, no. More like this (on the old table):>
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