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Re: "As good as Duke will be, nothing is guaranteed" (DH-S)
Kubez 29 April 2005 07:18:15
	"CoolHandDuke tbdm" <cbw1972@northstate.net> wrote in news:1114743090.809098.92190@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: All I have to say to the horde of Duke basketball fans who figure their> Blue Devils will win the NCAA title in 2006 is: Go back to 1999.> I know it hurts.> But the truth is that the best team -- and Duke should be the best team> next season -- doesn't always win the national championship. Talent and> depth and great coaching sometimes can get tangled up with another team> that happens to be hot on that night and, well, you know the rest.> Arguably the best Duke basketball team ever is 1992, right? I mean,> that team finished 34-2 and won the NCAA title, blasting Michigan by 20> points. Just don't forget that escape vs. Kentucky and Grant Hill's> pass to Christian Laettner in the regional final. Such pathetic anti-weaufxing 49 weeks before the 2006 Final Four is just one more glorious reminder that, for all the delusionally dyspeptic mewlings of dickless shitfucks like H----- E--------, the Kamwyn Kwazees STILL cower in the shadow of their big brothers of the paler blue. This past season, the eggheads of the roundball were equally divided between "team" and "talent". And indeed the two clashed on that hallowed First Monday night in April, the Talent showing in the first half that they were a Team, and the Team desperately and almost successfully trying to prove in the second that they had the Talent. No such dichotomy exists as we circle October 15, 2005 on our calendars. In an ACC so gutted that Clemson will be (read this slowly and let it sink in) favored when they visit Chapel Hill, and a national landscape devoid of Simien, Coppenrath, Bogut and Stoudemire (and no, Adam "Ashton Kutcher" Morrison does NOT belong in the same category), any victory by the azure satans that comes with a margin smaller than Cherokee Parks' old uni number should be factored into Sagarin as an L.
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Edward M. Kennedy 29 April 2005 18:43:44 [ permanent link ]
	"Kubez" <president@whitehouse.gov> wrote No such dichotomy exists as we circle October 15, 2005 on our calendars.> In an ACC so gutted that Clemson will be (read this slowly and let it sink> in) favored when they visit Chapel Hill, and a national landscape devoid> of Simien, Coppenrath, Bogut and Stoudemire (and no, Adam "Ashton Kutcher"> Morrison does NOT belong in the same category), any victory by the azure> satans that comes with a margin smaller than Cherokee Parks' old uni> number should be factored into Sagarin as an L. And it will be, so low will UNC's Sagarin be. But I bet Roy and your AD will work out a wonderful RPI-friendly schedule. ThADVANCEanks. --Tedward
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Kubez 29 April 2005 20:13:36 [ permanent link ]
	"Edward M. Kennedy" <nospam@baconburger.com> wrote in news:d4th7m$qnd$1@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu: "Kubez" <president@whitehouse.gov> wrote> No such dichotomy exists as we circle October 15, 2005 on our>> calendars. In an ACC so gutted that Clemson will be (read this slowly>> and let it sink in) favored when they visit Chapel Hill, and a>> national landscape devoid of Simien, Coppenrath, Bogut and Stoudemire>> (and no, Adam "Ashton Kutcher" Morrison does NOT belong in the same>> category), any victory by the azure satans that comes with a margin>> smaller than Cherokee Parks' old uni number should be factored into>> Sagarin as an L. > And it will be, so low will UNC's Sagarin be. But I bet Roy and> your AD will work out a wonderful RPI-friendly schedule. I predict Roy paraphrases Vince Lombardi at his first practice: "THIS is a basketball." ThADVANCEanks. You mean AdTHANKSvance.
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Edward M. Kennedy 29 April 2005 22:12:57 [ permanent link ]
	"tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote If Duke had a weakness in 1999, it wasn't discovered until the title> > game when Connecticut outplayed the Blue Devils. Despite 25 points by> > Langdon, a very talented Duke team had to settle for runner-up.> Duke's 1999 dominance was a illusion created by the fact that> UCONN had so injuries for key games during the regular season. UNLV didn't dominate in 1991 either, I guess. Illinois fans should be grateful they lost a regular season game. Either way, those are three cases of "you're lucky it wasn't best of seven." --Tedward
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Harry Everhart 29 April 2005 22:19:20 [ permanent link ]
	kstarheel@cox.net wrote:> You are Rainman aren't you?> 'Yeah... 15 out of 18, yeah... wapner on at 3:00.... yeah, 6 or 7, I'm> a very good driver... yeah.' Yep - take me to the zoo - yep - facts that you can't refute - yep - hotel - yep - slingblade - yep - have a nice day - yep - carolina fans have hell to pay in October. It is a shame - the state of things - where a team wins a real championship - and two weeks later - poof. That is not fair - even for Carolina fans that struggle through the mess smith orchestrated. Dean - I can't cope with the NBA raids - Smith. I am outta here - but I will throw a couple of car bombs on the way out. Maybe Roy ought to schedule a cupcake game or two with FAU. Today basketball teams are fickle - just like their fans. As Patton said, "Glory is fleeting." Where's the toilet paper? Harry Said.
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Harry Everhart 30 April 2005 01:52:54 [ permanent link ]
	I just realized 15 out of 18 against UNC. That is a winning .833 record. That may a higher percentage that K or Duke or Smith or UNC have against all comers including cupcakes. I am not sure but it may even be a higher winner percentage than Wooden had - not sure and too lazy to look it up. Maybe Duke should schedule 20 games again UNC this year But nothing is guaranteed. Harry
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Edward M. Kennedy 30 April 2005 02:00:41 [ permanent link ]
	"tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1114804789.693343.243750@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...> Edward M. Kennedy wrote:> > "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote> > If Duke had a weakness in 1999, it wasn't discovered until the> title> > > > game when Connecticut outplayed the Blue Devils. Despite 25> points by> > > > Langdon, a very talented Duke team had to settle for runner-up.> > > Duke's 1999 dominance was a illusion created by the fact that> > > UCONN had so injuries for key games during the regular season.> > UNLV didn't dominate in 1991 either, I guess. Illinois fans should> > be grateful they lost a regular season game. Either way, those> > are three cases of "you're lucky it wasn't best of seven."> Illinois was not like the 1999 Duke situation. I couldn't care less either way. Illinois was actually behind UNC in the betting markets.> Duke as an overwhelming favorite in the betting markets in 1999. If the betting markets contained perfect informatoin all the time, they'd cease to exist. Illinois played like crap in the first half, and despite a noble comeback, that was all it took. UNC did not play at Illinois' level nearly as often. Witness the ACC's, both Duke games, barely escaping Villanova and Wisconsin. I watched both teams plenty. In the last 11 games, back to Feb. 27, UNC had 7 of 11 very close games. Granted it was some decent competition, but it was the type of opponent Illinois was beating handily on a regular basis. The one thing Illinois did not do much of was blow people out, so if UNC has a good game -- which was kinda rare the last month -- yeah they can win. But Illinois takes 'em in 7. I think Duke-UConn and UNLV-Duke would revert too. But I guess that is the beauty of college hoops -- we'll never know. --Tedward
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»Q« 30 April 2005 03:46:26 [ permanent link ]
	Harry Everhart <harry@everhart.com> wrote in <news:harry-737474.17452529042005@comcast.dca.giganews.com>: Why are you Duke fans always bringing up ancient history. None> of that matters. What matters is who's the current National> Champion. IFYPFY but didn't bother with your punctuation. -- »Q«
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Harry Everhart 30 April 2005 16:20:08 [ permanent link ]
	»Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> wrote:> > Why are you Duke fans always bringing up ancient history. None> > of that matters. What matters is who's the current National> > Champion. Dear Q - I agree with you completely. All that wins and losses of the past means nothing. What matters is the future - from today on. You can't change the past - no matter how you paint it - so forget about it. What Duke and Carolina have to worry about and plan for - is the coming season. And quite frankly - it looks like Duke has the upper hand. Carolina has a real problem with putting any kind of spin on the thumping they are going to get this coming season. It is not fair that they lost their 7 best players. Really and truly - do you think they will break .500? Not to bring up ancient history - but remember how happy UNC fans when the NBA raided the Duke camp and took those 3 guys? I do not feel that way. Having met so many really nice UNC fans on this newsgroup - I feel sorrow and pity for them. They did nothing to deserve this. Even though most of them relished Duke getting slammed by the NBA last year - having been in the position of losing so many players - I do not want to jump on the bandwagon in ripping UNC. I hope Roy can do as well as K did with his cinderella team. I hope UNC makes a run for the ACC crown - maybe win it - just like Duke did in the cinderella year. The past is past and we can't change it. No matter that Duke won the ACC last year - will have any effect on the future - maybe to attract new athletes - I don't know. So - I agree - the future is now. Forget about the past. All that matters is how the Duke and UNC teams do from now on - this season. Harry
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»Q« 1 May 2005 03:49:16 [ permanent link ]
	Harry Everhart <harry@everhart.com> wrote in <news:harry-1F7EDB.08200830042005@comcast.dca.giganews.com>: Really and truly - do you think they will break .500? Yep. Not to bring up ancient history - but remember how happy UNC fans> when the NBA raided the Duke camp and took those 3 guys? Not really, but I'm sure there were some doing Tedward's Snoopy dance. FWIW, I don't see any "raiding" going on, just young men making decisions about what to do with their lives next year. I do not feel that way. Having met so many really nice UNC fans on> this newsgroup - I feel sorrow and pity for them. They did nothing> to deserve this. Doesn't bother me. Nothing was done to any fans that they either "deserve" or don't "deserve". No matter that Duke won the ACC last year - will have any effect> on the future - maybe to attract new athletes - I don't know. Given Duke's and K's reputation right now, I doubt it makes much difference in recruiting; it's a drop in the bucket. The national championship, OTOH, always helps. -- »Q«
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Wil M. Kornegay Jr. 1 May 2005 05:53:05 [ permanent link ]
	"Edward M. Kennedy" <nospam@baconburger.com> wrote in message news:d4uaqs$sbt$1@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu...> "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1114804789.693343.243750@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...>> Edward M. Kennedy wrote:>> > "tadamsmar" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote>> > If Duke had a weakness in 1999, it wasn't discovered until the>> title>> > > > game when Connecticut outplayed the Blue Devils. Despite 25>> points by>> > > > Langdon, a very talented Duke team had to settle for runner-up.>> > > Duke's 1999 dominance was a illusion created by the fact that>> > > UCONN had so injuries for key games during the regular season.>> > UNLV didn't dominate in 1991 either, I guess. Illinois fans should>> > be grateful they lost a regular season game. Either way, those>> > are three cases of "you're lucky it wasn't best of seven.">> Illinois was not like the 1999 Duke situation.> I couldn't care less either way.> Illinois was actually behind UNC in the betting markets.>> Duke as an overwhelming favorite in the betting markets in 1999.> If the betting markets contained perfect informatoin all the time,> they'd cease to exist. Illinois played like crap in the first half,> and despite a noble comeback, that was all it took. UNC did not> play at Illinois' level nearly as often. Witness the ACC's, both> Duke games, barely escaping Villanova and Wisconsin.> I watched both teams plenty. In the last 11 games, back to Feb.> 27, UNC had 7 of 11 very close games. Granted it was some decent> competition, but it was the type of opponent Illinois was beating> handily on a regular basis. The one thing Illinois did not do> much of was blow people out, so if UNC has a good game -- which> was kinda rare the last month -- yeah they can win. But Illinois> takes 'em in 7.> I think Duke-UConn and UNLV-Duke would revert too. But I guess> that is the beauty of college hoops -- we'll never know.> --Tedward> Who cares? It's not best of 7. It's 1 and done. University of National Champions - That's us.
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Edward M. Kennedy 2 May 2005 00:26:53 [ permanent link ]
	"Wil M. Kornegay Jr." <danuall@aol.net> wrote I think Duke-UConn and UNLV-Duke would revert too. But I guess> > that is the beauty of college hoops -- we'll never know.> > Who cares? It's not best of 7. It's 1 and done. University of National> Champions - That's us. "Us" includes the guy who claimed Duke's '99 DOMINATE! was an illusion. --Tedward
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Edward M. Kennedy 2 May 2005 00:31:27 [ permanent link ]
	<kstarheel@cox.net> wrote No chance. Talent always wins out in a 7 game series and Illinois> isn't even close to UNC talent wise. That would explain why you needed luck to win one game against Duke. Their only shot was a 1 and done> situation and they couldn't pull it off. UNC had a chance to blow them> out and would beat them 4 of 5 games. Illinois frequently shoots 12-40 against such stellar perimeter D, and 9-16 is typical game for UNC... Gotchya. Let's not let facts get in the way. --Tedward
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