In article <1113331320.072335.327620@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, kstarheel@cox.net wrote:
Too bad we UNC fans won't get to see a Felton, McCants, May, Williams,> Terry, Hansborough, Noel, Frasor, Thomas, Ginyard, Green, Miller team> next year. Could have been unreal and went back-to-back. But they> gotta do what they gotta do...
Yea, if you guys could just keep Thomas and Terry, you guys would be unstoppable.
"Geoffrey F. Green" <geoff-usenet2@stuebegreen.com> wrote in news:geoff- usenet2-8F7B54.17194112042005@comcast.dca.giganews.com:
In article <1113331320.072335.327620@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,> kstarheel@cox.net wrote:>
Too bad we UNC fans won't get to see a Felton, McCants, May, Williams,>> Terry, Hansborough, Noel, Frasor, Thomas, Ginyard, Green, Miller team>> next year. Could have been unreal and went back-to-back. But they>> gotta do what they gotta do...>
Yea, if you guys could just keep Thomas and Terry, you guys would be > unstoppable.
next year. Could have been unreal and went back-to-back. But they>>>gotta do what they gotta do...>>
Yea, if you guys could just keep Thomas and Terry, you guys would be>>unstoppable.>
Moron. Admit it... Duke has only 1 title if it doesn't keep seniors...> so, I don't want to hear it next year.
How so? 1991 was when Laettner/Hurley were Juniors, Hill was a freshman.
And if Duke kept its seniors in the late 90s, there would be a team of Brand, Battier, Avery, Jason Williams, Michael Dunleavy Jr, Carlos Boozer. and Chris Duhon. That's 6 NBA players, 6 starting NBA players.
kstarheel@cox.net wrote:> Too bad we UNC fans won't get to see a Felton, McCants, May, Williams,> Terry, Hansborough, Noel, Frasor, Thomas, Ginyard, Green, Miller team> next year. Could have been unreal and went back-to-back. But they> gotta do what they gotta do...>
Yeah, just think how good we could have been in '94 if Montross had stayed for his senior year to be on the same team with Stackhouse and Wallace.
Geoffrey F. Green 13 April 2005 05:47:32 [ permanent link ]
In article <VEZ6e.8742$44.1816@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>, navin <snivan@earthlink.net> wrote:
And if Duke kept its seniors in the late 90s, there would be a team of > Brand, Battier, Avery, Jason Williams, Michael Dunleavy Jr, Carlos > Boozer. and Chris Duhon. That's 6 NBA players, 6 starting NBA players.
Corey Magettee. And Avery probably would have had an NBA career if he hadn't left early.
Geoffrey F. Green 13 April 2005 05:47:56 [ permanent link ]
In article <Xns9636B17DC9DE1Kubez@66.26.32.8>, Kubez <president@whitehouse.gov> wrote:
"Geoffrey F. Green" <geoff-usenet2@stuebegreen.com> wrote in news:geoff-> usenet2-8F7B54.17194112042005@comcast.dca.giganews.com:>
In article <1113331320.072335.327620@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,> > kstarheel@cox.net wrote:> >
Too bad we UNC fans won't get to see a Felton, McCants, May, Williams,> >> Terry, Hansborough, Noel, Frasor, Thomas, Ginyard, Green, Miller team> >> next year. Could have been unreal and went back-to-back. But they> >> gotta do what they gotta do...> >
Yea, if you guys could just keep Thomas and Terry, you guys would be > > unstoppable.>
Terry's a far better 3PT shooter than Redick.
Well, at least now that Redick doesn't have Duhon telling him where to go.
Edward M. Kennedy 14 April 2005 05:35:58 [ permanent link ]
<kstarheel@cox.net> wrote
And who is Jason Williams starting for?
If Al Qaeda kidnaps Carter and cuts off his head, are you going to say Carter is not a NBA starter? Oh, wait -- Williams only started 54 out of 75 games.
My bad, I forgot to reason like a troll. The rap on Coach K isn't the big man stuff. The real rap is that he doesn't teach his guards how to drive.
Geoffrey F. Green 14 April 2005 06:11:54 [ permanent link ]
In article <d3khcv$9v7$1@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu>, "Edward M. Kennedy" <nospam@baconburger.com> wrote:
My bad, I forgot to reason like a troll. The rap on Coach K isn't the big man> stuff. The real rap is that he doesn't teach his guards how to drive.
Speaking of which, I caught a bit of the Bulls game tonight, and Chris Duhon is exactly the same player he was in college -- good on defense, but can't hit a three, unable to drive, but still manages to find guys wide-open for uncontested shots. I can't explain it, or more generally how he's starting for a playoff team.
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:35:58 -0400, "Edward M. Kennedy" <nospam@baconburger.com> wrote:
<kstarheel@cox.net> wrote>
And who is Jason Williams starting for?>
If Al Qaeda kidnaps Carter and cuts off his head, are you going to say Carter>is not a NBA starter? Oh, wait -- Williams only started 54 out of 75 games.>
My bad, I forgot to reason like a troll. The rap on Coach K isn't the big man>stuff. The real rap is that he doesn't teach his guards how to drive.
Edward,
Did you intend to put the double meaning there?
Bobby Hurley: has his career ruined in 1993 while driving his truck.
Jason Williams: has his career ruined (probably) in 2003 while driving his motorcycle.
"Geoffrey F. Green" <geoff-usenet2@stuebegreen.com> wrote in message news:geoff-usenet2-D429B6.22115413042005@comcast.dca.giganews.com...> In article <d3khcv$9v7$1@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu>,> "Edward M. Kennedy" <nospam@baconburger.com> wrote:>
My bad, I forgot to reason like a troll. The rap on Coach K isn't the
big man> > stuff. The real rap is that he doesn't teach his guards how to drive.>
Speaking of which, I caught a bit of the Bulls game tonight, and Chris> Duhon is exactly the same player he was in college -- good on defense,> but can't hit a three, unable to drive, but still manages to find guys> wide-open for uncontested shots. I can't explain it, or more> generally how he's starting for a playoff team.
Shhh...you'll summon Witzke.
Actually, that may not be so bad: Hey douchebag! That "Dukies haven't won an NBA playoff series" argument is looking pretty short-lived now that Laettner is on the Heat, huh? Looks like you'll have to come up with another troll...
Geoffrey F. Green 14 April 2005 17:59:52 [ permanent link ]
In article <425e634f$0$29879$79c14f64@nan-newsreader-06.noos.net>, "Erik T. Nomad" <erikthenomad@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Geoffrey F. Green" <geoff-usenet2@stuebegreen.com> wrote in message> news:geoff-usenet2-D429B6.22115413042005@comcast.dca.giganews.com...> > In article <d3khcv$9v7$1@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu>,> > "Edward M. Kennedy" <nospam@baconburger.com> wrote:> >
My bad, I forgot to reason like a troll. The rap on Coach K isn't the> big man> > > stuff. The real rap is that he doesn't teach his guards how to drive.> >
Speaking of which, I caught a bit of the Bulls game tonight, and Chris> > Duhon is exactly the same player he was in college -- good on defense,> > but can't hit a three, unable to drive, but still manages to find guys> > wide-open for uncontested shots. I can't explain it, or more> > generally how he's starting for a playoff team.>
Shhh...you'll summon Witzke.>
Actually, that may not be so bad: Hey douchebag! That "Dukies haven't won> an NBA playoff series" argument is looking pretty short-lived now that> Laettner is on the Heat, huh? Looks like you'll have to come up with> another troll...
Errr, Danny Ferry won the title two years ago. Actually played an important role in a first-round game, playing center (!) when David Robinson was out hurt. Scored 20 points or so.
Edward M. Kennedy 14 April 2005 18:48:22 [ permanent link ]
<egroeG> wrote
And who is Jason Williams starting for?> >
If Al Qaeda kidnaps Carter and cuts off his head, are you going to say Carter> >is not a NBA starter? Oh, wait -- Williams only started 54 out of 75 games.> >
My bad, I forgot to reason like a troll. The rap on Coach K isn't the big man> >stuff. The real rap is that he doesn't teach his guards how to drive.>
Edward,>
Did you intend to put the double meaning there?
Is the pope dead?
Bobby Hurley: has his career ruined in 1993 while driving his truck.>
Jason Williams: has his career ruined (probably) in 2003 while driving his> motorcycle.
And both are proof why Duke players don't suceed in the pros. Sarcasm and irony detected, levels unknown.
"Erik T. Nomad" <erikthenomad@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:425e634f$0$29879$79c14f64@nan-newsreader-06.noos.net...>
Actually, that may not be so bad: Hey douchebag! That "Dukies haven't won> an NBA playoff series" argument is looking pretty short-lived now that> Laettner is on the Heat, huh? Looks like you'll have to come up with> another troll...
*snort* Are you really going to hang your hat on Laettner as a member of the Heat? Seriously, Erik - that team is Shaq + DWYANE + some other guys.
Battier for the Grizzle was doing ok for a while (he's hurt now, right? I think I heard that). Deng had been a monster for the Bulls, but now he's hurt. Plus, he was only in college for a year, so he may fall under the Corey Maggette Exception. Duhon has not been that great, nor that bad, for the Bulls. But nobody who watches them would claim he's the driving [sic] force behind their playoff run this year.
I think Boozer was your best shot if he stayed with the Cavs. With Lebron to feed him the ball, I think he'd have broken the back of that particular argument this year. But alas, he's not with the Cavs any longer.
"Drew" <yeah@right.not> wrote in message news:d3mdr1$kvt@netnews.proxy.lucent.com...> "Erik T. Nomad" <erikthenomad@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:425e634f$0$29879$79c14f64@nan-newsreader-06.noos.net...> >
Actually, that may not be so bad: Hey douchebag! That "Dukies haven't
an NBA playoff series" argument is looking pretty short-lived now that> > Laettner is on the Heat, huh? Looks like you'll have to come up with> > another troll...>
*snort* Are you really going to hang your hat on Laettner as a member of> the Heat? Seriously, Erik - that team is Shaq + DWYANE + some other guys.
Dude, recognize the reverse mega anti-troll!
Battier for the Grizzle was doing ok for a while (he's hurt now, right? I> think I heard that). Deng had been a monster for the Bulls, but now he's> hurt. Plus, he was only in college for a year, so he may fall under the> Corey Maggette Exception. Duhon has not been that great, nor that> bad, for the Bulls. But nobody who watches them would claim he's the> driving [sic] force behind their playoff run this year.>
I think Boozer was your best shot if he stayed with the Cavs. With> Lebron to feed him the ball, I think he'd have broken the back of> that particular argument this year. But alas, he's not with the Cavs> any longer.
I'm not worried; within 10 years there will be 20 Dukies in the NBA. I'm just poking fun at Witzke's general line of "reasoning". The argument has morphed from "Dukies don't get drafted" to "Ok, they get drafted, but they don't make good pros" to "OK, they make good pros, but they don't win playoff series". Next, it will be "Dukies aren't MVPs who cure cancer." But I guess I can't expect much more than that from a Michigan fan posting from WebTV. Talk about living in the past on all levels...
kstarheel@cox.net wrote:>>>Moron. Admit it... Duke has only 1 title if it doesn't keep>
seniors...>
so, I don't want to hear it next year.>>
How so? 1991 was when Laettner/Hurley were Juniors, Hill was a>
freshman.>
And if Duke kept its seniors in the late 90s, there would be a team>
Brand, Battier, Avery, Jason Williams, Michael Dunleavy Jr, Carlos>>Boozer. and Chris Duhon. That's 6 NBA players, 6 starting NBA>
players.>
Try and keep up. That's the one title they would have got. If> Laettner leaves in '92, they don't win..... if Battier doesn't stay in> '01, they don't win.
Battier's NBA stock wasn't that high after his junior season. Staying another year really helped. He wasn't the type of player to leave early anyways.
I'd still take UNC's team in '97 if Stackhouse and Wallace stay 4> years. And who is Jason Williams starting for? Or Duhon?
On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:48:22 -0400, "Edward M. Kennedy" <nospam@baconburger.com> wrote:
<egroeG> wrote>
And who is Jason Williams starting for?>> >
If Al Qaeda kidnaps Carter and cuts off his head, are you going to say Carter>> >is not a NBA starter? Oh, wait -- Williams only started 54 out of 75 games.>> >
My bad, I forgot to reason like a troll. The rap on Coach K isn't the big man>> >stuff. The real rap is that he doesn't teach his guards how to drive.>>
Edward,>>
Did you intend to put the double meaning there?>
Is the pope dead?>
Bobby Hurley: has his career ruined in 1993 while driving his truck.>>
Jason Williams: has his career ruined (probably) in 2003 while driving his>> motorcycle.>
And both are proof why Duke players don't suceed in the pros.
Hardly. Both players provide evidence that Coach K doesn't teach his guards how to drive.
"Erik T. Nomad" <erikthenomad@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:425ef6e0$0$30655$79c14f64@nan-newsreader-06.noos.net...>
Dude, recognize the reverse mega anti-troll!
D'oh!
I'm not worried; within 10 years there will be 20 Dukies in the NBA. I'm> just poking fun at Witzke's general line of "reasoning". The argument has> morphed from "Dukies don't get drafted" to "Ok, they get drafted, but they> don't make good pros" to "OK, they make good pros, but they don't win> playoff series". Next, it will be "Dukies aren't MVPs who cure cancer."
Heh, when the line in the sand moves that far back, you dukies are TOAST!!1!
"Jason Bell" <Jason_Bell@mail.com> wrote >>Drew wrote:>>
Battier for the Grizzle was doing ok for a while (he's hurt now, right? I>>>think I heard that).>>
Yeah, either that or the 31st ranked NBA player>>last week according to Yahoo, 45th last month,>>49th all season.>
I wasn't trying to bash him, just asking if he was hurt. I don't really> follow the NBA, after all. But, take my question however you will.>
I think Boozer was your best shot if he stayed with the Cavs. With>>
Lebron to feed him the ball, I think he'd have broken the back of>>>that particular argument this year. But alas, he's not with the Cavs>>>any longer.>>
Alas, only one of nine players in the league>>this year averaging over 17 points per game>>on .500 or better shooting. Alas, only>>one of three former Blue Devils doing so.>
My point was that I thought he'd do better overall with James as> a teammate, and unfortunately we'll never know. That was the> sum total of what I was trying to say. Again, no bashing of the> former Blue Devil, but actually showing some respect.>
Smarter idiots please.>
Who's the idiot? You can't even tell what my viewpoint is,
Why would your viewpoint possibly make a difference?
You didn't know the status of the first guy you mentioned and you threw in with the Lebron-will -make-you-look-good Boozer bashers on the second.
Now you admit, after your post on NBA players and their relative quality (or more to the point, your post on the absence of a high quality former Duke NBA player), that you don't even follow the NBA.
How can you possibly be viewed as anything other than an idiot?
Drew wrote:> "Jason Bell" <Jason_Bell@mail.com> wrote in message news:qog9e.66892$JL2.2298906@twister.southeast.rr.com...>
Why would your viewpoint possibly make a difference?>
You're right, it would only be important for context. And> you've made it clear that context is irrelevant; flaming> anyone who disagrees with you is the only important thing. >
You didn't know the status of the first guy you>>mentioned and you threw in with the Lebron-will>>-make-you-look-good Boozer bashers on the second.>
No, I asserted that Lebron would make Boozer better,> not that he (Boozer) needed to be made to look good.> You took that how you wanted, based on your own> biases.
No, you claimed that it would take Lebron to put Boozer in the category of a driving force for his team. I provided evidence that Boozer is indeed a force in the NBA, in quality company for his stats, without Lebron. Alas, no argument could ensue with an idiot, as you were forced to allow that you don't really follow the NBA, though you felt free to make declarations on the relative quality of its players, teams, and playoff chances.
Who, besides an idiot would make such claims without support in fact or even familiarity?
Now you admit, after your post on NBA players and>>their relative quality (or more to the point, your>>post on the absence of a high quality former Duke>>NBA player), that you don't even follow the NBA.>
Oh, so I must follow the game religiously to have formed> an opinion at all?
Well, awesome. We've tightly bounded your familiarity with the NBA as somewhere below religiously and above or inclusive of not really at all.
Even if I qualify my opinion as being> from someone who doesn't follow the game religiously?
Ah, but you didn't qualify your opinion in such a way, until I confronted you with facts and the charge that you were an idiot. Now your defense against idiocy is ignorance. That doesn't really help you.
Admit it - you are predisposed to take any non-Duke> fan's posts about Duke players and alumni as negative,> and you start preparing your ad hominems before you've> even finished reading (assuming you do, in fact, read the> posts to which you reply).
I read your post, decided it was inaccurate and ill informed. I saw an idiot blathering on about something he didn't know much about that yes, was a bit insulting to players from a basketball program of which I am a fan.
How can you possibly be viewed as anything other>>than an idiot?>
Perhaps if I were not viewed through your twisted> perspective? D*mn, but you are one screwed up> kook. Get a life.
I caught you out at being an idiot, and now you're trying to weasel out of the whole mess. We've dispensed with any semblance of your claims having merit or your opinion informed, and now we're just trying to figure out how mean it was for me to have noted that you are an idiot.
Drew wrote:> "Jason Bell" <Jason_Bell@mail.com> wrote
Not knowing whether a so-so player on a so-so> team is injured because I don't follow the NBA> as closely as I do other sports does not make me> ignorant.
Actually, it does, by the definition of ignorant. Or do you have your own special definition of ignorant?
Assuming it does makes you ignorant plus> obnoxious.
Strange. Knowing the definitions of the words I use makes *me* ignorant, while actually being ignorant of the subject at hand *and* the definition of the word ignorant itself sheilds you from it?
Amazing.
Who, besides an idiot would make such claims>>without support in fact or even familiarity?>
Who, besides a pedantic misanthrope would extrapolate> ignorance and idiocy from such paltry evidence?
You've proven my charge further with your every post. It's quite impressive, actually.
I have no inkling of who, besides a complete idiot, would defend himself from charges of ignorance and idiocy by claiming ignorance, then apaty (below).
Oh, so I must follow the game religiously to have formed>>>an opinion at all?>>
Well, awesome. We've tightly bounded your familiarity>>with the NBA as somewhere below religiously and above>>or inclusive of not really at all.>
We've done no such thing.
Fair enough. To have done such a thing, one must actually believe the words you post, as those bounds have come, *verbatum*, from your claims. You are spectacularly idiotic.
Now your defense>>against idiocy is ignorance. That doesn't really>>help you.>
I don't need to defend myself against your claims> of idiocy OR ignorance, because they have> validity only in your demented brane.
See above.
Here's a clue, since you desperately need one:>
apathy != ignorance
Ah, a new defense against ignorance, wonderful. This time, since you don't care enough to be informed, you are in fact defended against a charge that you are not informed. You are quite a prize.
Admit it - you are predisposed to take any non-Duke>>>fan's posts about Duke players and alumni as negative,>>>and you start preparing your ad hominems before you've>>>even finished reading (assuming you do, in fact, read the>>>posts to which you reply).>>
I read your post, decided it was inaccurate and>>ill informed.>
You were wrong, but nobody's perfect.
You've admitted that it was ill informed, and it was inaccurate, on its face, in that you stated that Battier was injured. But I suppose pointing out your errors is probably futile at this point.
Fascinating.>
I'll take your word for it. Me, I'm tired of your crap.> Seems like every post I read from you that is directed> to a non-Duke fan is just a tired old retread of the> same theme:>
"You are not a Duke fan. You are the enemy.> I will pummel you with verbage and show off> the wonderful vocabulary, unwarranted arrogance,> and complete lack of social graces that is the> hallmark of my Ivy League wannabe education."
*I* lack social graces? You need to read your own post again, buddy, and see if you live up to your own standards.
