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overrated pac 10?
StephenJ 25 March 2005 06:30:58
	#1 seed handled easily by a C-USA squad in the rd of 16 ? sheesh. -- "The federal judiciary is working like gravity by night and by day, gaining a little today and a little tomorrow, and advancing its noiseless step like a thief over the field of jurisdiction until all shall be usurped from the States, and the government of all be consolidated into one (i.e., federalization)" - Thomas Jefferson
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StephenJ 25 March 2005 06:30:09 [ permanent link ]
	#1 seed handled easily by a C-USA squad in the rd of 16 ? sheesh. -- "The federal judiciary is working like gravity by night and by day, gaining a little today and a little tomorrow, and advancing its noiseless step like a thief over the field of jurisdiction until all shall be usurped from the States, and the government of all be consolidated into one (i.e., federalization)" - Thomas Jefferson
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Bowzer 25 March 2005 06:49:20 [ permanent link ]
	"StephenJ" <cjones@corpus.com> wrote in message news:0KK0e.3304$TZ.915@okepread06...> #1 seed handled easily by a C-USA squad in the rd of 16 ?> sheesh. Let's see a fairly officiated game and see who wins. This was abysmal, almost criminal. It's a pity, because it would have been a great game with fair officiating. -- > "The federal judiciary is working like gravity by night and by day,> gaining a little today and a little tomorrow, and advancing> its noiseless step like a thief over the field of jurisdiction until> all shall be usurped from the States, and the government of> all be consolidated into one (i.e., federalization)"> - Thomas Jefferson>
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Joe Blow 25 March 2005 08:49:04 [ permanent link ]
	StephenJ wrote: #1 seed handled easily by a C-USA squad in the rd of 16 ?> sheesh. It's more of an "underrated Louisville" effect that you're feeling swimming about that empty head of yours. JB
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Elaich 25 March 2005 10:19:54 [ permanent link ]
	"StephenJ" <cjones@corpus.com> wrote in news:0KK0e.3304$TZ.915@okepread06: #1 seed handled easily by a C-USA squad in the rd of 16 ? It's the same thing year in, year out. The Western teams whine that they get no respect - and when tourney time rolls around, prove that they never deserved any. I live out West. The few good teams out here skate blithely through a cupcake schedule. They rarely play east of the Rockies and build up huge win totals against mediocre competition. It looks impressive, but they rarely build up the kind of mental toughness needed to compete successfully against teams from the ACC, Big East, C-USA, etc. Those conferences are meat grinders and only the best teams emerge from them.
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Elaich 25 March 2005 11:29:58 [ permanent link ]
	"JGibson" <james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote in news:1111733881.326373.103210@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com: Yeah, Arizona, who just made the elite 8, obviously doesn't deserve> respect. Let's see how far they go. It's played out year after year. Leave it to some Google Groups wanker to jump on my post, nitpick it, and try to say that I said that Arizona doesn't deserve respect. Obviously, a team that wins deserves respect. Western teams usually do not. Arizona is the last Western team left. The usual pattern is that no Western team will make the final 8. The fact that one did this year doesn't change that picture. The usual pattern is that all the Western teams will be gone by the Sweet 16.
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Joe Blow 25 March 2005 11:35:14 [ permanent link ]
	elaich wrote: "StephenJ" <cjones@corpus.com> wrote in news:0KK0e.3304$TZ.915@okepread06:> #1 seed handled easily by a C-USA squad in the rd of 16 ?> It's the same thing year in, year out. The Western teams whine that they > get no respect - and when tourney time rolls around, prove that they never > deserved any.> I live out West. The few good teams out here skate blithely through a > cupcake schedule. They rarely play east of the Rockies and build up huge > win totals against mediocre competition. It looks impressive, but they > rarely build up the kind of mental toughness needed to compete successfully > against teams from the ACC, Big East, C-USA, etc. Those conferences are > meat grinders and only the best teams emerge from them. You're a fucking idiot. First of all, the PAC-10 couldn't possibly be overrated because all the talk was that Washington was a weak, undeserving 1 seed, Arizona couldn't play tough defense, Stanford and UCLA were lucky to be invited at all, etc. What rock knocked you unconscious and caused you to miss the news? Second, the PAC-10 has been represented in the final four numerous times in the past decade. Third, Arizona just knocked the asses of the mighty OK St right back to Oklahoma. You're a retard. You're as hopeless as Terri Schiavo. Kill yourself, or ask a judge to do it for you. JB
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Archibald Q . Leachington 25 March 2005 16:22:32 [ permanent link ]
	On 24 Mar 2005 23:49:41 -0800, in rec.sport.basketball.college "JGibson" <james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote: elaich wrote:> Leave it to some Google Groups wanker to jump on my post> Excuse me for being away from access to my normal newsserver for the>week and finding the quickest way to acess the rsbc group. Although I>haven't been around much this year, I'd venture that most people>recognize me more than some "google groups" wanker. However, I admit>it's annoying to use and I don't know why it won't automatically quote>the previous poster when I reply.> The usual pattern is that all the Western teams will be gone>>by the Sweet 16.> Want some nitpicking? Let's go after that statement:> 2005: Arizona in elite 8.>2004: none>2003: Arizona in elite 8.>2002: Oregon in elite 8.>2001: Arizona in championship game, Stanford in elite 8, U$C in elite>8.>2000: Tulsa (do they count?) in elite 8.>1999: Gonzaga in elite 8.>1998: Stanford in eltie 8, Arizona in elite 8, Utah in championship>game>1997: UCLA in elite 8, Arziona national champions>1996: none>1995: UCLA national champs>1994: Arziona in final 4>1993: none>1992: UCLA in elite 8>1991: UNLV in final 4> Is 15 years far back enough? All Western teams gone by the sweet 16 is>the usual pattern? That's a funny definiteion of usual you have there.> It has happened 3 times in 15 years or 4 times if you don't count>Tulsa. I think the "West" also had at least 1 representative in the F4 from about the mid-late 60's through the early 70's. Wooden, yeah, I think that's his name. He had some success. "I don't look at myself as a basketball coach; I look at myself as a leader who happens to coach basketball."--Coach K.
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Edward M. Kennedy 25 March 2005 20:24:01 [ permanent link ]
	"JGibson" <james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote It's the same thing year in, year out. The Western teams> > whine that they get no respect - and when tourney time rolls> > around, prove that they never deserved any.> Yeah, Arizona, who just made the elite 8, obviously doesn't deserve> respect.> I live out West. The few good teams out here skate blithely> > through a cupcake schedule. They rarely play east of the Rockies> >and build up huge win totals against mediocre competition. It looks> >impressive, but they rarely build up the kind of mental toughness> >needed to compete successfully against teams from the ACC,> >Big East, C-USA, etc. Those conferences are> >meat grinders and only the best teams emerge from them.> Let's see, Washington's inflated win totals have come against teams> such as Alabama (SEC), Oklahoma (Big XII), N.C. State (ACC), and> interestingly enough they also had a 110-63 victory over Houston, a> team which beat Louisville. And calling CUSA a meat grinder conference> that only the best come out of is a joke - they had one really good> team in Louisville, but where are the rest? I think what y'all are getting at is that the ACC is kicking everyone's butt so far, in a relativistic way that compensates for THDTIW (the huge disappointment that is Wake). I phear that the ACC will be hearing some very loud thuds this weekend as teams come crashing down to earth. There is no phoenix in a one and done. --Tedward
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StephenJ 25 March 2005 20:39:42 [ permanent link ]
	Um..no it doesn't. Washington played and dominated a much tougher schedule> the Louisville did this year. Washington had no losses against teams> outside the top 50. Both teams won their leagues. Washington won a> stronger league. You've said the P-10 didn't deserve more than 4 slots, and 2 of those 4 lost in round 1 (and not unexpectedely) and their top seed got bounced in the sweet 16, so how was the P-10 a strong league? -- "The federal judiciary is working like gravity by night and by day, gaining a little today and a little tomorrow, and advancing its noiseless step like a thief over the field of jurisdiction until all shall be usurped from the States, and the government of all be consolidated into one (i.e., federalization)" - Thomas Jefferson
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Tony 25 March 2005 21:54:21 [ permanent link ]
	On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:24:01 -0500, "Edward M. Kennedy" <nospam@baconburger.com> wrote: "JGibson" <james.m.gibson@gmail.com> wrote> It's the same thing year in, year out. The Western teams>> > whine that they get no respect - and when tourney time rolls>> > around, prove that they never deserved any.>> Yeah, Arizona, who just made the elite 8, obviously doesn't deserve>> respect.>> I live out West. The few good teams out here skate blithely>> > through a cupcake schedule. They rarely play east of the Rockies>> >and build up huge win totals against mediocre competition. It looks>> >impressive, but they rarely build up the kind of mental toughness>> >needed to compete successfully against teams from the ACC,>> >Big East, C-USA, etc. Those conferences are>> >meat grinders and only the best teams emerge from them.>> Let's see, Washington's inflated win totals have come against teams>> such as Alabama (SEC), Oklahoma (Big XII), N.C. State (ACC), and>> interestingly enough they also had a 110-63 victory over Houston, a>> team which beat Louisville. And calling CUSA a meat grinder conference>> that only the best come out of is a joke - they had one really good>> team in Louisville, but where are the rest?> I think what y'all are getting at is that the ACC is kicking>everyone's butt so far, in a relativistic way that compensates>for THDTIW (the huge disappointment that is Wake).> I phear that the ACC will be hearing some very loud thuds this>weekend as teams come crashing down to earth. There>is no phoenix in a one and done.> --Tedward> Now I know he is back in form........WOOF WOOF! tonyf
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Edward M. Kennedy 25 March 2005 21:58:00 [ permanent link ]
	"StephenJ" <cjones@corpus.com> wrote Um..no it doesn't. Washington played and dominated a much tougher> schedule> > the Louisville did this year. Washington had no losses against teams> > outside the top 50. Both teams won their leagues. Washington won a> > stronger league.> You've said the P-10 didn't deserve more than 4 slots, and 2 of those 4 lost> in round 1 (and not unexpectedely) and their top seed got bounced in the> sweet 16, so how was the P-10 a strong league? By the prickling of my balls, something wicked this way trawls. --Tedward
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StephenJ 25 March 2005 23:08:04 [ permanent link ]
	You've said the P-10 didn't deserve more than 4 slots, and 2 of those> > 4 lost in round 1 (and not unexpectedely) and their top seed got> > bounced in the sweet 16, so how was the P-10 a strong league?> I said the Pac Ten didn't deserve more then 4 slots because there were only> 4 teams tournament worthy this year. well yeah, that's what i said you said. That doesn't speak to weak league.> That speaks to top heavy league. It's not top heavy when 2/4 lose in round 1, and as you said those weren't even upsets. If you're an underdog in round 1, it means you weren't a strong team. Stanford was an 8 seed, UCLA an 11, one of the last to get in. That's weak. "top heavy" is getting say 3 or 4 teams in, but they are all seeded say 5th or higher. The Pac Ten was a strong league this year> based on conference RPI that I've seen listed anywhere from 2nd to 6th> nationally. I've seen it at #2. I don't get that. How can the league be so strong but not have very many good teams? The RPI seems wacky... And one more time...Arizona..the league 2nd place team (regular season> champion) a 3 seed...beat a 2 seed. Does that mean the Pac Ten was> UNDERRATED? Arizona is always good under Olson - i never question them. He's built a top-tier program over the past 20 years. But remember that if Stoudamire doesn't hit what can fairly be caled a pretty lucky shot last night, they are out. In contrast, W was spanked by Louisville. UCLA was spanked, Stanford was routed, etc. As for the first round exits, you sure pin a lot of stupidity on an 11th 8th seeded team losing. No, the fact that they were seeded so mediocrely means the P-10 wasn't top heavy... -- "The federal judiciary is working like gravity by night and by day, gaining a little today and a little tomorrow, and advancing its noiseless step like a thief over the field of jurisdiction until all shall be usurped from the States, and the government of all be consolidated into one (i.e., federalization)" - Thomas Jefferson
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StephenJ 25 March 2005 23:08:37 [ permanent link ]
	You've said the P-10 didn't deserve more than 4 slots, and 2 of those 4 lost> > in round 1 (and not unexpectedely) and their top seed got bounced in the> > sweet 16, so how was the P-10 a strong league?> By the prickling of my balls, something wicked> this way trawls. (psst - it worked. i hooked the two fish i was casting at). -- "The federal judiciary is working like gravity by night and by day, gaining a little today and a little tomorrow, and advancing its noiseless step like a thief over the field of jurisdiction until all shall be usurped from the States, and the government of all be consolidated into one (i.e., federalization)" - Thomas Jefferson
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Charlie Board 25 March 2005 23:44:47 [ permanent link ]
	Charles Beauchamp wrote: And one more time...Arizona..the league 2nd place team (regular season > champion) a 3 seed...beat a 2 seed. Does that mean the Pac Ten was > UNDERRATED? No. A #3 seed (presumably #9-12 in the country) goes 1-1 against 2 seeds (presumably #5-8). Doesn't tell us much of anything about Arizona's rating, much less the whole conference.
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D. Gerasimatos 25 March 2005 23:55:37 [ permanent link ]
	In article <N9X0e.5433$TZ.5339@okepread06>, StephenJ <cjones@corpus.com> wrote:> You've said the P-10 didn't deserve more than 4 slots, and 2 of those 4 lost>in round 1 (and not unexpectedely) and their top seed got bounced in the>sweet 16, so how was the P-10 a strong league? The Pac-10 was not a strong league this year compared to many other years. Even so, there is a representative in the Elite Eight. Dimitri
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Andrew Murawa 26 March 2005 01:01:05 [ permanent link ]
	"elaich" <a@b.c> wrote in message news:d20ai6$oup$1@domitilla.aioe.org...> "StephenJ" <cjones@corpus.com> wrote in news:0KK0e.3304$TZ.915@okepread06:> #1 seed handled easily by a C-USA squad in the rd of 16 ?> It's the same thing year in, year out. The Western teams whine that they> get no respect - and when tourney time rolls around, prove that they never> deserved any.> I live out West. The few good teams out here skate blithely through a> cupcake schedule. They rarely play east of the Rockies and build up huge> win totals against mediocre competition. It looks impressive, but they> rarely build up the kind of mental toughness needed to compete > successfully> against teams from the ACC, Big East, C-USA, etc. Those conferences are> meat grinders and only the best teams emerge from them. Arizona on line 2...
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Kubez 26 March 2005 01:11:09 [ permanent link ]
	"Andrew Murawa" <amurawa@hotmail.comspamsucks.> wrote in news:3ajco1F6bqocnU1@individual.net: "elaich" <a@b.c> wrote in message> news:d20ai6$oup$1@domitilla.aioe.org... >> "StephenJ" <cjones@corpus.com> wrote in>> news:0KK0e.3304$TZ.915@okepread06: >> #1 seed handled easily by a C-USA squad in the rd of 16 ?>> It's the same thing year in, year out. The Western teams whine that>> they get no respect - and when tourney time rolls around, prove that>> they never deserved any.>> I live out West. The few good teams out here skate blithely through a>> cupcake schedule. They rarely play east of the Rockies and build up>> huge win totals against mediocre competition. It looks impressive,>> but they rarely build up the kind of mental toughness needed to>> compete successfully>> against teams from the ACC, Big East, C-USA, etc. Those conferences>> are meat grinders and only the best teams emerge from them.> Arizona on line 2... Lute Olson trails only Bob Knight in number of times losing to a lower seed.
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Drew 26 March 2005 01:16:54 [ permanent link ]
	"Kubez" <president@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message news:Xns9624A4B039323Kubez@66.26.32.9... Lute Olson trails only Bob Knight in number of times losing to a lower> seed. lol - it was inevitable that introducing a useless stat would be akin to introducing another rubber bullet into someone's ammo belt. Drew (I keep accidentally typing an extra "e" at the end of "useless stat", and winding up with "Delaware")
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Jaybyrd 26 March 2005 01:56:32 [ permanent link ]
	Drew wrote: "Kubez" <president@whitehouse.gov> wrote in message news:Xns9624A4B039323Kubez@66.26.32.9...> Lute Olson trails only Bob Knight in number of times losing to a lower>>seed.> lol - it was inevitable that introducing a useless stat would be akin to> introducing another rubber bullet into someone's ammo belt.> Drew> (I keep accidentally typing an extra "e" at the end of "useless stat", and> winding up with "Delaware") r.s.b.c. : plethora of useless stats. almost as bad as presidential candidates. PP PP PP PP PP tt tt PP PP PP tt tt PP PP tttttt ttttttt PP PP ii ttt ttt PP ii ii it tt tt tt tt PP iii iii ttt tt
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StephenJ 26 March 2005 05:53:36 [ permanent link ]
	"top heavy" is getting say 3 or 4 teams in, but they are all seeded> > say 5th or higher.> > No..top heavy is when the teams at the top of your league are extremely> better then everyone else in your league. no, top-heavy is "extremely better not just compared to others in your league, but near the top nationally as well". and since when is 16-3 & 15-4 "extremely better" than 12-7/11-8...? The Pac Ten was a strong league this year> >> based on conference RPI that I've seen listed anywhere from 2nd to> >> 6th nationally.> > I've seen it at #2. I don't get that. How can the league be so strong> > but not have very many good teams? The RPI seems wacky... Circular argument. If the RPI is that strong then that means the teams that good. .. or that RPI didn't do a good job of assessing them... And one more time...Arizona..the league 2nd place team (regular> >> season champion) a 3 seed...beat a 2 seed. Does that mean the Pac> >> Ten was UNDERRATED?> > Arizona is always good under Olson - i never question them.> Then you can flush your own argument because the fact is like any other> power....Arizona has had big and bad moments in the tourney. (Remember> Santa Clara?). "flush my argument"? AZ is still in the tourney. No excuses have to be made for them... He's> > built a top-tier program over the past 20 years. But remember that if> > Stoudamire doesn't hit what can fairly be caled a pretty lucky shot> > last night, they are out.> And in yet another what if....the fact is...he made the shot. 3 beat 2. .. on a lucky shot. In contrast, W was spanked by Louisville. UCLA was spanked, Stanford> > was routed, etc. Thus proving the obvious...that you didn't actually see much of the game all. Are you blind, deaf, or both? As for the first round exits, you sure pin a lot of stupidity on an> >> 11th and 8th seeded team losing.> > No, the fact that they were seeded so mediocrely means the P-10> > wasn't top heavy...> No stupidf*** the fact that the Pac Ten had 2 teams at the top that were> contenders for a #1 or #2 seed while the rest of the league was not is the> very definition of top heavy. If the league was top-heavy (using the moronic bo-shamp definition), how can the league as a whole be described as good...? -- "The federal judiciary is working like gravity by night and by day, gaining a little today and a little tomorrow, and advancing its noiseless step like a thief over the field of jurisdiction until all shall be usurped from the States, and the government of all be consolidated into one (i.e., federalization)" - Thomas Jefferson
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Joe Blow 26 March 2005 07:37:30 [ permanent link ]
	StephenJ wrote:> But remember that if Stoudamire> doesn't hit what can fairly be caled a pretty lucky shot last night, they> are out. There's the dumbest "observation" of the year... JB
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Don 26 March 2005 08:24:15 [ permanent link ]
	StephenJ wrote:> He's>> built a top-tier program over the past 20 years. But remember that if>>>Stoudamire doesn't hit what can fairly be caled a pretty lucky shot>>>last night, they are out.>> And in yet another what if....the fact is...he made the shot. 3 beat 2.> .. on a lucky shot. You keep saying "lucky shot". It's obvious you haven't seen Salim play. Don
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Snowden Wyatt 26 March 2005 09:21:06 [ permanent link ]
	Don wrote:> StephenJ wrote:> He's>>> built a top-tier program over the past 20 years. But remember that if>>>> Stoudamire doesn't hit what can fairly be caled a pretty lucky shot>>>> last night, they are out.>>> And in yet another what if....the fact is...he made the shot. 3 beat 2.>> .. on a lucky shot.> You keep saying "lucky shot". It's obvious you haven't seen Salim play.> Don Yeah. The double-clutch, last second shot to beat Arizona State was a lucky shot. A two with two defenders in his face is a fairly common make for Salim. Hell, a three with two defenders in his face is pretty common. If the shot to beat Oklahoma State was lucky, he's been lucky almost all year...
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B W Moore 26 March 2005 23:55:38 [ permanent link ]
	Using Stevies "Arguments" the ACC is just as overrated as the Pac-Ten. Apparently the Big Ten was the best conference in the land>
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StephenJ 27 March 2005 00:01:58 [ permanent link ]
	Using Stevies "Arguments" the ACC is just as overrated as the Pac-Ten.> Apparently the Big Ten was the best conference in the land Hard to argue against that at this point.. -- "The federal judiciary is working like gravity by night and by day, gaining a little today and a little tomorrow, and advancing its noiseless step like a thief over the field of jurisdiction until all shall be usurped from the States, and the government of all be consolidated into one (i.e., federalization)" - Thomas Jefferson
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Michael Sullivan 28 March 2005 17:48:06 [ permanent link ]
	StephenJ <cjones@corpus.com> wrote: Um..no it doesn't. Washington played and dominated a much tougher> schedule> > the Louisville did this year. Washington had no losses against teams> > outside the top 50. Both teams won their leagues. Washington won a> > stronger league. You've said the P-10 didn't deserve more than 4 slots, and 2 of those 4 lost> in round 1 (and not unexpectedely) and their top seed got bounced in the> sweet 16, so how was the P-10 a strong league? "er". You forgot the "er". In comparison to C-USA, the Pac-10 was strong. It doesn't, for instance, have 4 teams ranked worse than 150 in Sagarin. Michael
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Edward M. Kennedy 28 March 2005 21:25:03 [ permanent link ]
	"StephenJ" <cjones@corpus.com> wrote You've said the P-10 didn't deserve more than 4 slots, and 2 of those 4> lost> > > in round 1 (and not unexpectedely) and their top seed got bounced in the> > > sweet 16, so how was the P-10 a strong league?> > By the prickling of my balls, something wicked> > this way trawls.> (psst - it worked. i hooked the two fish i was casting at). Lame. --Tedward
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