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Mark Few?
Andrew Murawa 22 March 2005 00:12:30
	When do we start questioning what this guy has done to be labelled a "quality coach"? Seems to me, Gonzaga had absolutely no business losing to Texas Tech, let alone having the game be even remotely close down the stretch. Tech had no answers for Turiaf, Batista or Morrison, yet Gonzaga continued to play undisciplined basketball, going long stretched without Turiaf even seeing the ball. Most overrated coach in the game?
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Ky58 22 March 2005 02:28:10 [ permanent link ]
	"Andrew Murawa" <amurawa@hotmail.comspamsucks.> wrote: When do we start questioning what this guy has done to be labelled a > "quality coach"? Seems to me, Gonzaga had absolutely no business losing to > Texas Tech, let alone having the game be even remotely close down the > stretch. Tech had no answers for Turiaf, Batista or Morrison, yet Gonzaga > continued to play undisciplined basketball, going long stretched without > Turiaf even seeing the ball. Most overrated coach in the game? What was Gonzaga's basketball history before he arrived on campus? -- "Ky58" Paint Lick USA UK 84 Seattle 72 http://members.fortunecity.com/ky98/kentuckywildcats/mainpage.html "They're not the greatest basketball players in the world, all they can do is win. They're not concert violinists, but they sure can fiddle." - The Baron
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Andrew Murawa 22 March 2005 02:48:20 [ permanent link ]
	"Ky58" <seventitles@bigblue.org> wrote in message news:Z5idnXXDC4nq16LfRVn-qw@giganews.com...> "Andrew Murawa" <amurawa@hotmail.comspamsucks.> wrote:> When do we start questioning what this guy has done to be labelled a >> "quality coach"? Seems to me, Gonzaga had absolutely no business losing >> to Texas Tech, let alone having the game be even remotely close down the >> stretch. Tech had no answers for Turiaf, Batista or Morrison, yet Gonzaga >> continued to play undisciplined basketball, going long stretched without >> Turiaf even seeing the ball.> Most overrated coach in the game?> What was Gonzaga's basketball history before he arrived on campus? Well, let's see... I believe they went to the Great 8 with Dan Monson as head coach, and since then have completely underachieved with better talent than Monson ever had...
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Milt Epstein 22 March 2005 03:24:04 [ permanent link ]
	"Andrew Murawa" <amurawa@hotmail.comspamsucks.> writes: "Ky58" <seventitles@bigblue.org> wrote in message >news:Z5idnXXDC4nq16LfRVn-qw@giganews.com...>> "Andrew Murawa" <amurawa@hotmail.comspamsucks.> wrote:>> When do we start questioning what this guy has done to be labelled a >>> "quality coach"? Seems to me, Gonzaga had absolutely no business losing >>> to Texas Tech, let alone having the game be even remotely close down the >>> stretch. Tech had no answers for Turiaf, Batista or Morrison, yet Gonzaga >>> continued to play undisciplined basketball, going long stretched without >>> Turiaf even seeing the ball.>> Most overrated coach in the game?>> What was Gonzaga's basketball history before he arrived on campus?> Well, let's see... I believe they went to the Great 8 with Dan Monson>as head coach, and since then have completely underachieved with>better talent than Monson ever had... "Completely underachieved"?! First off, I believe Gonzaga has done better in the regular season with Few than with Monson. And they've made the tournament every year under him. Remember, it was only one year of tournament success that Gonzaga had with Monson. It's true that that's the farthest they've made it, but it's not like they haven't had tournament success under Few: Sweet 16 in 2000 as a 10 seed, Sweet 16 in 2001 as a 12 seed, round of 32 in 2003 as a 9 seed. They have a couple of poor performances in the tournament as well (mostly as a higher seed: first round exit in 2002 as a 6, second round exit last year as a 2, and second round exit this year as a 3), but that's par for the course. Also, it's part of the coach's job to get that talent. -- Milt Epstein mepstein@uiuc.edu
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Umo 22 March 2005 03:28:37 [ permanent link ]
	Mr. Epstein has yet to explain how Coach Few allowed his team to lose to Bob Knight despite an overwhelming size and rebounding advantage plus a 13pt lead in the 2nd half.
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Andrew Murawa 22 March 2005 03:29:31 [ permanent link ]
	"Milt Epstein" <mepstein@uiuc.edu> wrote in message news:d1nl2k$r7v$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...> "Andrew Murawa" <amurawa@hotmail.comspamsucks.> writes:> "Ky58" <seventitles@bigblue.org> wrote in message>>news:Z5idnXXDC4nq16LfRVn-qw@giganews.com...>>> "Andrew Murawa" <amurawa@hotmail.comspamsucks.> wrote:>>> When do we start questioning what this guy has done to be labelled a>>>> "quality coach"? Seems to me, Gonzaga had absolutely no business losing>>>> to Texas Tech, let alone having the game be even remotely close down >>>> the>>>> stretch. Tech had no answers for Turiaf, Batista or Morrison, yet >>>> Gonzaga>>>> continued to play undisciplined basketball, going long stretched >>>> without>>>> Turiaf even seeing the ball.>>> Most overrated coach in the game?>>> What was Gonzaga's basketball history before he arrived on campus?>> Well, let's see... I believe they went to the Great 8 with Dan Monson>>as head coach, and since then have completely underachieved with>>better talent than Monson ever had...> "Completely underachieved"?! First off, I believe Gonzaga has done> better in the regular season with Few than with Monson. And they've> made the tournament every year under him. Remember, it was only one> year of tournament success that Gonzaga had with Monson. It's true> that that's the farthest they've made it, but it's not like they> haven't had tournament success under Few: Sweet 16 in 2000 as a 10> seed, Sweet 16 in 2001 as a 12 seed, round of 32 in 2003 as a 9 seed.> They have a couple of poor performances in the tournament as well> (mostly as a higher seed: first round exit in 2002 as a 6, second> round exit last year as a 2, and second round exit this year as a 3),> but that's par for the course. Also, it's part of the coach's job to> get that talent. My point is, that this is by far the most talented Gonzaga team that has been and in a game where their opponent has no business being with 10 points, Gonzaga so completely abandons their strengths and resorts to a complete lack of offensive structure down the stretch, there has to be some accountability on the part of the coach...
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Marek W. Lugowski 22 March 2005 03:40:13 [ permanent link ]
	umo <shoreke@yahoo.com> wrote: Mr. Epstein has yet to explain how Coach Few allowed his team to lose>to Bob Knight despite an overwhelming size and rebounding advantage>plus a 13pt lead in the 2nd half. I'm not Mr. Epstein, but could it be that Bob Knight's players played better and made their shots/free throws, whereas Coach Few's players didn't? Why dump on the coach -- it's not necessarily his fault. If Texas Tech wins with West Virginia and plays in the regional, will you then concede that they are are a really good ball club? -- Marek -- http://users.rcn.com/marek/
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Milt Epstein 22 March 2005 03:50:06 [ permanent link ]
	"Andrew Murawa" <amurawa@hotmail.comspamsucks.> writes: "Milt Epstein" <mepstein@uiuc.edu> wrote in message >news:d1nl2k$r7v$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu... [ ... ]>>>Well, let's see... I believe they went to the Great 8 with Dan Monson>>>as head coach, and since then have completely underachieved with>>>better talent than Monson ever had...>> "Completely underachieved"?! First off, I believe Gonzaga has done>> better in the regular season with Few than with Monson. And they've>> made the tournament every year under him. Remember, it was only one>> year of tournament success that Gonzaga had with Monson. It's true>> that that's the farthest they've made it, but it's not like they>> haven't had tournament success under Few: Sweet 16 in 2000 as a 10>> seed, Sweet 16 in 2001 as a 12 seed, round of 32 in 2003 as a 9 seed.>> They have a couple of poor performances in the tournament as well>> (mostly as a higher seed: first round exit in 2002 as a 6, second>> round exit last year as a 2, and second round exit this year as a 3),>> but that's par for the course. Also, it's part of the coach's job to>> get that talent.> My point is, that this is by far the most talented Gonzaga team that>has been and in a game where their opponent has no business being>with 10 points, You're quite wrong in this regard. I don't know why you think Texas Tech is a bad team. They defeated a number of good teams this year (including Oklahoma, Kansas, and Texas). And their computer ratings show that they're not that far apart: in Sagarin, Texas Tech was actually ahead, 86.65 vs. 86.53; in Pomeroy, Texas Tech was a small amount behind, 63.69 vs. 60.11. (Those were through Friday, so before they played.) If you look at these consensus rankings: http://www.mratings.com/cb/compare.htm Gonzaga is 16, and Texas Tech 24, again not that far apart (through the Sunday before the tournament started). Gonzaga so completely abandons their strengths and>resorts to a complete lack of offensive structure down the stretch,>there has to be some accountability on the part of the coach... So even if there is, what does that say? The coach had a bad game. But how the heck do you get from that to "completely underachieved"?! -- Milt Epstein mepstein@uiuc.edu
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Archibald Q . Leachington 22 March 2005 04:14:28 [ permanent link ]
	On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:50:06 +0000 (UTC), in rec.sport.basketball.college Milt Epstein <mepstein@uiuc.edu> wrote: "Andrew Murawa" <amurawa@hotmail.comspamsucks.> writes:> "Milt Epstein" <mepstein@uiuc.edu> wrote in message >>news:d1nl2k$r7v$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...>[ ... ]>>>>Well, let's see... I believe they went to the Great 8 with Dan Monson>>>>as head coach, and since then have completely underachieved with>>>>better talent than Monson ever had...>>> "Completely underachieved"?! First off, I believe Gonzaga has done>>> better in the regular season with Few than with Monson. And they've>>> made the tournament every year under him. Remember, it was only one>>> year of tournament success that Gonzaga had with Monson. It's true>>> that that's the farthest they've made it, but it's not like they>>> haven't had tournament success under Few: Sweet 16 in 2000 as a 10>>> seed, Sweet 16 in 2001 as a 12 seed, round of 32 in 2003 as a 9 seed.>>> They have a couple of poor performances in the tournament as well>>> (mostly as a higher seed: first round exit in 2002 as a 6, second>>> round exit last year as a 2, and second round exit this year as a 3),>>> but that's par for the course. Also, it's part of the coach's job to>>> get that talent.>> My point is, that this is by far the most talented Gonzaga team that>>has been and in a game where their opponent has no business being>>with 10 points,> You're quite wrong in this regard. I don't know why you think Texas>Tech is a bad team. They defeated a number of good teams this year>(including Oklahoma, Kansas, and Texas). And their computer ratings>show that they're not that far apart: in Sagarin, Texas Tech was>actually ahead, 86.65 vs. 86.53; in Pomeroy, Texas Tech was a small>amount behind, 63.69 vs. 60.11. (Those were through Friday, so before>they played.) If you look at these consensus rankings:> http://www.mratings.com/cb/compare.htm> Gonzaga is 16, and Texas Tech 24, again not that far apart (through>the Sunday before the tournament started).> Gonzaga so completely abandons their strengths and>>resorts to a complete lack of offensive structure down the stretch,>>there has to be some accountability on the part of the coach...> So even if there is, what does that say? The coach had a bad game.>But how the heck do you get from that to "completely underachieved"?! He sounds like some of the MSU fans who were calling for Coach Izzo's head about halfway through this season. "I don't look at myself as a basketball coach; I look at myself as a leader who happens to coach basketball."--Coach K.
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Andrew Murawa 22 March 2005 04:18:59 [ permanent link ]
	"Marek W. Lugowski" <mareklug@sdf.lNoOnSePsAtMar.org> wrote in message news:d1nm0t$qf2$1@chessie.cirr.com...> umo <shoreke@yahoo.com> wrote:> Mr. Epstein has yet to explain how Coach Few allowed his team to lose>>to Bob Knight despite an overwhelming size and rebounding advantage>>plus a 13pt lead in the 2nd half.> I'm not Mr. Epstein, but could it be that Bob Knight's players played > better> and made their shots/free throws, whereas Coach Few's players didn't? Why> dump on the coach -- it's not necessarily his fault. But if Gonzaga continually takes bad shots, doesn't take advantage of the three major mismatches they have on the offensive end and generally plays with no more poise or focus that the proverbial headless chicken, perhaps it is time to question the coach... If Texas Tech wins with West Virginia and plays in the regional, will you> then concede that they are are a really good ball club? I concede that they are a really good ball club, never denied that in fact... But me saying that Mark Few may have really dropped the ball in this game does nothing to say that Tech ain't a good ball club... I'll say this, if Coach Knight is wearing a Gonzaga sweater and Few is a Red Raider, this game is never close...
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Neumie 22 March 2005 06:41:16 [ permanent link ]
	"Andrew Murawa" <amurawa@hotmail.comspamsucks.> wrote in message news:3a96quF688s0hU1@individual.net...> "Marek W. Lugowski" <mareklug@sdf.lNoOnSePsAtMar.org> wrote in message > news:d1nm0t$qf2$1@chessie.cirr.com...>> umo <shoreke@yahoo.com> wrote:>> Mr. Epstein has yet to explain how Coach Few allowed his team to lose>>>to Bob Knight despite an overwhelming size and rebounding advantage>>>plus a 13pt lead in the 2nd half.>> I'm not Mr. Epstein, but could it be that Bob Knight's players played >> better>> and made their shots/free throws, whereas Coach Few's players didn't? >> Why>> dump on the coach -- it's not necessarily his fault.> But if Gonzaga continually takes bad shots, doesn't take advantage of the > three major mismatches they have on the offensive end and generally plays > with no more poise or focus that the proverbial headless chicken, perhaps > it is time to question the coach...> If Texas Tech wins with West Virginia and plays in the regional, will you>> then concede that they are are a really good ball club?> I concede that they are a really good ball club, never denied that in > fact... But me saying that Mark Few may have really dropped the ball in > this game does nothing to say that Tech ain't a good ball club...> I'll say this, if Coach Knight is wearing a Gonzaga sweater and Few is a > Red Raider, this game is never close...> Last time I checked, Knight this is the first time in over a decade that a Knight team has made the sweet 16 and he has definitely had talented players.
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George W . Harris 22 March 2005 07:40:58 [ permanent link ]
	"Andrew Murawa" <amurawa@hotmail.comspamsucks.> wrote: :>> Gonzaga so completely abandons their strengths and :>>resorts to a complete lack of offensive structure down the stretch, :>>there has to be some accountability on the part of the coach... :> :> So even if there is, what does that say? The coach had a bad game. :> But how the heck do you get from that to "completely underachieved"?! : :The coach had a bad game... Getting outcoached by the most accomplished active Divison 1 college basketball coach is hardly a mark of shame. -- Want to help fund terrorism? Drive an SUV. George W. Harris For actual email address, replace each 'u' with an 'i'.
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Tony 22 March 2005 22:29:38 [ permanent link ]
	On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 02:41:16 GMT, "Neumie" <neumie1521@verizon.net> wrote: "Andrew Murawa" <amurawa@hotmail.comspamsucks.> wrote in message >news:3a96quF688s0hU1@individual.net...>> "Marek W. Lugowski" <mareklug@sdf.lNoOnSePsAtMar.org> wrote in message >> news:d1nm0t$qf2$1@chessie.cirr.com...>>> umo <shoreke@yahoo.com> wrote:>>> Mr. Epstein has yet to explain how Coach Few allowed his team to lose>>>>to Bob Knight despite an overwhelming size and rebounding advantage>>>>plus a 13pt lead in the 2nd half.>>> I'm not Mr. Epstein, but could it be that Bob Knight's players played >>> better>>> and made their shots/free throws, whereas Coach Few's players didn't? >>> Why>>> dump on the coach -- it's not necessarily his fault.>> But if Gonzaga continually takes bad shots, doesn't take advantage of the >> three major mismatches they have on the offensive end and generally plays >> with no more poise or focus that the proverbial headless chicken, perhaps >> it is time to question the coach...>> If Texas Tech wins with West Virginia and plays in the regional, will you>>> then concede that they are are a really good ball club?>> I concede that they are a really good ball club, never denied that in >> fact... But me saying that Mark Few may have really dropped the ball in >> this game does nothing to say that Tech ain't a good ball club...>> I'll say this, if Coach Knight is wearing a Gonzaga sweater and Few is a >> Red Raider, this game is never close...>> Last time I checked, Knight this is the first time in over a decade that a >Knight team has made the sweet 16 and he has definitely had talented >players. > That is the real reason Knight was fired. He was slipping as a coach. He is ok for the Big XII, but wasn't cutting the mustard in the Big 10. Grabbing the punk by the arm was just a set up. Go KY WILDCATS! tonyf
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John Wonderly 23 March 2005 02:32:50 [ permanent link ]
	"Andrew Murawa" <amurawa@hotmail.comspamsucks.> wrote in message news:3a96j7F6789urU1@individual.net...> "Milt Epstein" <mepstein@uiuc.edu> wrote in message> news:d1nmje$rj2$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...> > "Andrew Murawa" <amurawa@hotmail.comspamsucks.> writes:> > "Milt Epstein" <mepstein@uiuc.edu> wrote in message> >>news:d1nl2k$r7v$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...> > [ ... ]> >>>>Well, let's see... I believe they went to the Great 8 with Dan Monson> >>>>as head coach, and since then have completely underachieved with> >>>>better talent than Monson ever had...> >>> "Completely underachieved"?! First off, I believe Gonzaga has done> >>> better in the regular season with Few than with Monson. And they've> >>> made the tournament every year under him. Remember, it was only one> >>> year of tournament success that Gonzaga had with Monson. It's true> >>> that that's the farthest they've made it, but it's not like they> >>> haven't had tournament success under Few: Sweet 16 in 2000 as a 10> >>> seed, Sweet 16 in 2001 as a 12 seed, round of 32 in 2003 as a 9 seed.> >>> They have a couple of poor performances in the tournament as well> >>> (mostly as a higher seed: first round exit in 2002 as a 6, second> >>> round exit last year as a 2, and second round exit this year as a 3),> >>> but that's par for the course. Also, it's part of the coach's job to> >>> get that talent.> >> My point is, that this is by far the most talented Gonzaga team that> >>has been and in a game where their opponent has no business being> >>with 10 points,> > You're quite wrong in this regard. I don't know why you think Texas> > Tech is a bad team. They defeated a number of good teams this year> > (including Oklahoma, Kansas, and Texas). And their computer ratings> > show that they're not that far apart: in Sagarin, Texas Tech was> > actually ahead, 86.65 vs. 86.53; in Pomeroy, Texas Tech was a small> > amount behind, 63.69 vs. 60.11. (Those were through Friday, so before> > they played.) If you look at these consensus rankings:> I never said that Texas Tech was a bad team... I think they are a very good> team, but putting aside this computer-ranking gibberish and looking at> basketball matchups, Gonzaga is quite clearly the better team here in terms> of exploitable matchups...> http://www.mratings.com/cb/compare.htm> > Gonzaga is 16, and Texas Tech 24, again not that far apart (through> > the Sunday before the tournament started).> > Gonzaga so completely abandons their strengths and> >>resorts to a complete lack of offensive structure down the stretch,> >>there has to be some accountability on the part of the coach...> > So even if there is, what does that say? The coach had a bad game.> > But how the heck do you get from that to "completely underachieved"?!> The coach had a bad game... It seems to be that this is getting to be a> trend... When you have a very talented basketball team and you fail to> advance past the sweet 16 over the course of 5 years with these very> talented basketball teams, and you lose to teams that you really shouldn't> be losing to on a yearly basis in the tournament, it seems like, at the very> least, this is a question that deserves to be asked: is Mark Few the reason> that Gonzaga has been an underachiever in the tournament in recent years? You weren't actually believing the conventional talking-head wisdom that THIS would be Gonzaga's year to overachieve?
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Andrew Murawa 23 March 2005 03:34:42 [ permanent link ]
	"John Wonderly" <jrwskw@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:m210e.1378$z.824@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...> "Andrew Murawa" <amurawa@hotmail.comspamsucks.> wrote in message> news:3a96j7F6789urU1@individual.net...>> "Milt Epstein" <mepstein@uiuc.edu> wrote in message>> news:d1nmje$rj2$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...>> > "Andrew Murawa" <amurawa@hotmail.comspamsucks.> writes:>> > "Milt Epstein" <mepstein@uiuc.edu> wrote in message>> >>news:d1nl2k$r7v$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...>> > [ ... ]>> >>>>Well, let's see... I believe they went to the Great 8 with Dan Monson>> >>>>as head coach, and since then have completely underachieved with>> >>>>better talent than Monson ever had...>> >>> "Completely underachieved"?! First off, I believe Gonzaga has done>> >>> better in the regular season with Few than with Monson. And they've>> >>> made the tournament every year under him. Remember, it was only one>> >>> year of tournament success that Gonzaga had with Monson. It's true>> >>> that that's the farthest they've made it, but it's not like they>> >>> haven't had tournament success under Few: Sweet 16 in 2000 as a 10>> >>> seed, Sweet 16 in 2001 as a 12 seed, round of 32 in 2003 as a 9 seed.>> >>> They have a couple of poor performances in the tournament as well>> >>> (mostly as a higher seed: first round exit in 2002 as a 6, second>> >>> round exit last year as a 2, and second round exit this year as a 3),>> >>> but that's par for the course. Also, it's part of the coach's job to>> >>> get that talent.>> >> My point is, that this is by far the most talented Gonzaga team that>> >>has been and in a game where their opponent has no business being>> >>with 10 points,>> > You're quite wrong in this regard. I don't know why you think Texas>> > Tech is a bad team. They defeated a number of good teams this year>> > (including Oklahoma, Kansas, and Texas). And their computer ratings>> > show that they're not that far apart: in Sagarin, Texas Tech was>> > actually ahead, 86.65 vs. 86.53; in Pomeroy, Texas Tech was a small>> > amount behind, 63.69 vs. 60.11. (Those were through Friday, so before>> > they played.) If you look at these consensus rankings:>> I never said that Texas Tech was a bad team... I think they are a very> good>> team, but putting aside this computer-ranking gibberish and looking at>> basketball matchups, Gonzaga is quite clearly the better team here in> terms>> of exploitable matchups...>> http://www.mratings.com/cb/compare.htm>> > Gonzaga is 16, and Texas Tech 24, again not that far apart (through>> > the Sunday before the tournament started).>> > Gonzaga so completely abandons their strengths and>> >>resorts to a complete lack of offensive structure down the stretch,>> >>there has to be some accountability on the part of the coach...>> > So even if there is, what does that say? The coach had a bad game.>> > But how the heck do you get from that to "completely underachieved"?!>> The coach had a bad game... It seems to be that this is getting to be a>> trend... When you have a very talented basketball team and you fail to>> advance past the sweet 16 over the course of 5 years with these very>> talented basketball teams, and you lose to teams that you really >> shouldn't>> be losing to on a yearly basis in the tournament, it seems like, at the> very>> least, this is a question that deserves to be asked: is Mark Few the> reason>> that Gonzaga has been an underachiever in the tournament in recent years?> You weren't actually believing the conventional talking-head wisdom that> THIS would be Gonzaga's year to overachieve? How 'bout just achieve?
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